We didn't exactly come here with papers...

12/22/2011 8:57:13 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
punkgoddess67 Laughlin, NV 49, joined Sep. 2011	This may be in the wrong forum but I need to vent a bit..sorry. Anyways, it burns my a** a bit that all these people are outraged about all the 'illegals' in this country, now unless history is telling us all wrong, I believe we didn't have the 'proper papers' when we took this land from the native americans. Am I wrong? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
12/22/2011 1:40:28 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from punkgoddess67: This may be in the wrong forum but I need to vent a bit..sorry. Anyways, it burns my a a bit that all these people are outraged about all the 'illegals' in this country, now unless history is telling us all wrong, I believe we didn't have the 'proper papers' when we took this land from the native americans. Am I wrong? your's is an argument most choose to ignore.[/b**
12/22/2011 1:59:30 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
twohawks Bothell, WA 78, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from punkgoddess67: This may be in the wrong forum but I need to vent a bit..sorry. Anyways, it burns my a** a bit that all these people are outraged about all the 'illegals' in this country, now unless history is telling us all wrong, I believe we didn't have the 'proper papers' when we took this land from the native americans. Am I wrong? No you are not wrong. The Whites came here.....uninvited. They came ashore.....unasked and they colonized without asking permission. And none of the Whites had any papers telling who, or what they were.
12/22/2011 11:36:35 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pooponchrist Ocala, FL 34, joined Dec. 2011	haha...and columbus gets credit for a discovery! It's like chris rock said...that's like discovering somebodys backyard.
12/23/2011 3:37:05 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from pooponchrist: haha...and columbus gets credit for a discovery! It's like chris rock said...that's like discovering somebodys backyard. Fortunately history was corrected and credit was given to who really discovered the "new world": Leif Ericson.
12/23/2011 6:12:02 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from punkgoddess67: This may be in the wrong forum but I need to vent a bit..sorry. Anyways, it burns my a** a bit that all these people are outraged about all the 'illegals' in this country, now unless history is telling us all wrong, I believe we didn't have the 'proper papers' when we took this land from the native americans. Am I wrong? It's always the same thing. The dominant group, afraid of being replaced by a 'lesser' 'weaker' group. The main target of the outrage is different through the decades but the need to be outraged against someone has always been there.
1/7/2012 1:44:06 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from ozzycrue: No beautiful latin women, Thanks. Here, enjoy part of Latin America.
1/8/2012 1:46:34 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
texas_dude2010 Jacksonville, TX 67, joined Sep. 2011	Living in Texas I have experienced first hand the effects of illegals. Our local school is now 52% hispanic. Min wages pays for that education. No. Giving preferences to only Mexican immigrants in most views would be a racist policy. I have nothing against any race, however, living with the corruption of illegals creates more problems than you can imagine. The immigration law passed under Jimmy Carter was never enforced. If the companies executives had to spend the time in jail that the law provided then it would have solved much of the illegal immigration. Bottom line, it's cheap labor for compannies and businesses and very expensive labor for American taxpayers.
1/8/2012 3:13:46 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	texas_dude2010 This subject have been discussed to end and back. Illegal immigration will not be dealt with unless it stops being a benefit for the big business.
1/8/2012 7:17:52 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
whays Payson, AZ 73, joined Nov. 2008	OP, I believe lists were taken of all arriving immigrants perhaps starting in the early 19th century. At one time America had a quota system, certain amount from certain countries. In 1964 Rep. Ted Kennedy lead the fight to do away with that system claiming the change "would not effect America's demographic"! The same potentially dangerous series of circuits that let's one believe in the supernatural also allow for concepts like "multiculturalism", (wonderful re: ethnic foods, etc) that will fail with catastrophic results.
1/15/2012 5:26:53 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
godsforsaken Bailey, MI 41, joined May. 2011	I came here with papers so I could makes a better life for my familys back in mexico. I can work and live a happy life here and still have enough moneys to give my familys a better life in tijuana. I grew up in a one room leaner behinds my familys store with 4 brothers an 2 sisters an my uncle an his wife In 6 years in america I make enoughs to turn my familys leaner into a real house with rooms for everyone bigger then one I got here in michigan 2year agos. Much americans say its wrong for me to works here an send moneys home to my familys me an the guy at western union don't agrees with them tho
1/15/2012 10:25:29 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
walteb Locust Grove, OK 63, joined May. 2011	My grandfather was very proud of his papers. He madesure all of his kids had copies to prove he was here legaly.
3/21/2012 12:37:01 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
rini_bo_bini Perryville, MO 28, joined Feb. 2012	Well times change. then and now are different with different circumstances. our understanding of the world and the people in it was much more narrow at that point. furthermore.. aside from the pilgrims who sought religious refuge here away from mother Britain.. many of the other colonists did have papers saying they were going to live here and help bring it up. they basically had permissions from the queen. those without permission were given some sort of punishment. Granted they didn't get permissions from the native inhabitants, that's where the narrow mindedness of our forefathers come into effect. only after we became an independent country did we begin requiring papers for immigrants.
3/21/2012 7:02:05 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	rini_bo_bini To get permission from the King (no Queen at that time in England) to live in "America" is the same as, today, USA telling other nations how to fix their problems. No authority.
3/21/2012 10:35:58 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
rini_bo_bini Perryville, MO 28, joined Feb. 2012	Thanks for the correction. as for fixing anything.. i think back then the immigration was more of a race to see who gets the most land.. but my point still wad people who came over here then were sent by the king and they didnt see native Americans as more than savages... all the power countries did it though and it wasn't something that just started in colonial times. look at Roman history.. Asian and African history.. Look at the Scandinavian history as well.. Ever since man could piss on something to claim it as theirs they have been squabbling over it like terrible toddlers. Resources.. religion.. land/space.. women.. it'll continue. America (or rather the ppl running the country) isn't trying to fix problems... the big hats only see what profits them. What do they gain from war.. from oil.. from the suffering of thousands of people.
3/21/2012 11:31:48 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from texas_dude2010: Living in Texas I have experienced first hand the effects of illegals. Our local school is now 52% hispanic. Min wages pays for that education. No. Giving preferences to only Mexican immigrants in most views would be a racist policy. I have nothing against any race, however, living with the corruption of illegals creates more problems than you can imagine. The immigration law passed under Jimmy Carter was never enforced. If the companies executives had to spend the time in jail that the law provided then it would have solved much of the illegal immigration. Bottom line, it's cheap labor for compannies and businesses and very expensive labor for American taxpayers. Do you believe that illegal immigrants are only of hispanic descent?
3/22/2012 3:20:30 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from pinguinorojo: Do you believe that illegal immigrants are only of hispanic descent? When people are going to understand the Americans complain about the "illegal Latinos" because most of the members of this group doesn't have blue eyes and their hair is not blonde? I can assure you the Irish people looking for work at the street corner few blocks from my home are never harassed...they speak with an extremely strong Irish brogue and everybody knows they are just out of the boat... BTW, stop calling us -and yourself- Hispanics...We weren't born in Hispania (Old Spain) neither were you.
3/22/2012 9:09:57 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	pinguinorojo, I sound strong in my last post...but it has nothing to do with you...you know I adooooooooooooooore you
3/22/2012 3:45:01 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
rini_bo_bini Perryville, MO 28, joined Feb. 2012	Quote from duchessa: When people are going to understand the Americans complain about the "illegal Latinos" because most of the members of this group doesn't have blue eyes and their hair is not blonde? I'm saddened about this because it's so true. Though like the Asians and other European Immigrants of their own respective times... eventually Americans will get over it.. well the majority of them. Crazy nationalists will always be backwards in their way of living. I do believe there's a phobia name for people afraid of foreigners.. immigrants and visitors alike. Still there's going to be racism everywhere.
3/22/2012 4:43:03 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
skiwino Redford, MI 55, joined Feb. 2007	Quote from rini_bo_bini: I'm saddened about this because it's so true. Though like the Asians and other European Immigrants of their own respective times... eventually Americans will get over it.. well the majority of them. Crazy nationalists will always be backwards in their way of living. I do believe there's a phobia name for people afraid of foreigners.. immigrants and visitors alike. Still there's going to be racism everywhere. xenophobia [-fo'be·?] Etymology: Gk, xenos + phobos, fear an anxiety disorder characterized by a pervasive, irrational fear or uneasiness in the presence of strangers, especially foreigners, or in new surroundings. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.
3/22/2012 6:31:55 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
rini_bo_bini Perryville, MO 28, joined Feb. 2012	Quote from skiwino: xenophobia [-fo'be·?] Etymology: Gk, xenos + phobos, fear an anxiety disorder characterized by a pervasive, irrational fear or uneasiness in the presence of strangers, especially foreigners, or in new surroundings. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. Thanks for this. I was on my phone earlier and far too lazy to open the browser to look it up...
3/23/2012 11:37:07 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from duchessa: When people are going to understand the Americans complain about the "illegal Latinos" because most of the members of this group doesn't have blue eyes and their hair is not blonde? I can assure you the Irish people looking for work at the street corner few blocks from my home are never harassed...they speak with an extremely strong Irish brogue and everybody knows they are just out of the boat... BTW, stop calling us -and yourself- Hispanics...We weren't born in Hispania (Old Spain) neither were you. The truth is that illegal immigrants come from many different places... illegal Hispanics/Latinos are only a fraction of the total illegal immigration. There are lots of illegal immigrants from Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East and the great majority of 'illegal immigrants' arrive here through legal means. Almost everyone overstays their visa, a relatively smaller number risk their lives crossing the border.
3/23/2012 11:44:29 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from duchessa: pinguinorojo, I sound strong in my last post...but it has nothing to do with you...you know I adooooooooooooooore you I used 'Hispanics' because of the 'Spanish speaker' factor. 'Latino', although commonly used to refer to native Spanish speakers, is a term that also includes Portuguese speakers and Italians (they also identify themselves as Latinos). If we get technical, 'Latino' would cover any language derived from Latin, which also include the French and the Romanians, but as far as I know, they consider themselves 'Europeans'.
3/23/2012 7:25:23 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
walteb Locust Grove, OK 63, joined May. 2011	Probably most people think of " illegles " as from South and central America is because they make the most noise about it being their right to come here as they please reguardless of the law. There are illegles from every country here.
3/26/2012 5:50:09 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
whays Payson, AZ 73, joined Nov. 2008	Environmental damage from population growth alone should trigger strong implementation of existing immigration laws. Interestingly, a major stumbling block to passing E-Verify* is the lobbying effort of the National Chamber of Commerce. Protecting those sleazy elements of business who want cheap labor. Boehner, Cantor, and another repug are delaying bringing it to a floor voter before the election. *An employer would be required to check an employee's legal status against a Social Security number and name match. Done online.
3/26/2012 8:48:13 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
skiwino Redford, MI 55, joined Feb. 2007	Quote from whays: Environmental damage from population growth alone should trigger strong implementation of existing immigration laws. Interestingly, a major stumbling block to passing E-Verify* is the lobbying effort of the National Chamber of Commerce. Protecting those sleazy elements of business who want cheap labor. Boehner, Cantor, and another repug are delaying bringing it to a floor voter before the election. *An employer would be required to check an employee's legal status against a Social Security number and name match. Done online. I already do this; it costs $2, type in the name, address, social security number and results are recieved within a minute. I don't see any reason to object unless you are trying to hire illegals.
3/27/2012 3:24:02 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
walteb Locust Grove, OK 63, joined May. 2011	Skiwino, Thank you for doing this. If more employers did this, we wouldn't have the problem we have. [Edited 3/27/2012 3:24:40 AM ]
3/27/2012 10:21:27 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from pinguinorojo: I used 'Hispanics' because of the 'Spanish speaker' factor. 'Latino', although commonly used to refer to native Spanish speakers, is a term that also includes Portuguese speakers and Italians (they also identify themselves as Latinos). If we get technical, 'Latino' would cover any language derived from Latin, which also include the French and the Romanians, but as far as I know, they consider themselves 'Europeans'. European refers to location (geography) while Latino indicates race...as you well know. BTW, to be born in Italy, France, Spain, Peru, Russia...makes the person a national of that country... race has nothing to do with the place a person was born
3/30/2012 12:49:34 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from duchessa: European refers to location (geography) while Latino indicates race...as you well know. BTW, to be born in Italy, France, Spain, Peru, Russia...makes the person a national of that country... race has nothing to do with the place a person was born I strongly disagree with the view of 'Latino' as race. To me, there isn't a 'Latino' race, it is just a term generally used here in the U.S. to bunch up everyone that speaks Spanish south of the border with Mexico. There are people of all races and all mixture of races in central and south America. Many races, many cultures, many different beliefs, the only thing we have in common is the language. Italians and Brazilians do use the term 'latino', however, it is used to denote a link between our cultures via the root of our languages, Latin. This is the manner in which I use 'Latino' and its similar to my use of "Hispanic", only in reference to language and culture, but not race. My definition of race is based on physical traits, not cultural traits. Language is a cultural trait, therefore, not a factor in defining race.
3/30/2012 12:53:39 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	I do admit, my use of 'Europeans' was a bit ambiguous. I didn't want to actually write what I was truly thinking. The French and Romanians think they are 'some-shit more special than the rest of the world'... it's somewhat similar to the arrogance of many Americans.
3/30/2012 1:40:33 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
dallasgsxr13 Mesquite, TX 32, joined Feb. 2012	Quote from punkgoddess67: This may be in the wrong forum but I need to vent a bit..sorry. Anyways, it burns my a** a bit that all these people are outraged about all the 'illegals' in this country, now unless history is telling us all wrong, I believe we didn't have the 'proper papers' when we took this land from the native americans. Am I wrong? Exactly...people seem to forget this part of history.
4/1/2012 12:46:32 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from pinguinorojo: I do admit, my use of 'Europeans' was a bit ambiguous. I didn't want to actually write what I was truly thinking. The French and Romanians think they are 'some-shit more special than the rest of the world'... it's somewhat similar to the arrogance of many Americans. Europeans, in general, think they are better than the rest of the world...specially better than the Americans.
4/1/2012 12:48:16 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from dallasgsxr13: Exactly...people seem to forget this part of history. ...and DH forums are full of the excuses made to justify "it was different".
4/1/2012 3:01:32 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
whays Payson, AZ 73, joined Nov. 2008	And to go back and compare the White arrival in North America as justification for the flooding of America by illegals is "moral equivelancy". A junior high school concept held in universal contempt by scholars and thinkers. Yes, wrongs have been done in the past. But what greater wrong then to flood America with third-world low IQ illegal aliens? Should we just import and tolerate the existence of cancer cells? And what of population growth? America is fracturing. Your uniform, your skin, was issued at birth. And overall view of immigration and it's implications for America can be found at the site "The Occidental Observer".
4/11/2012 6:28:18 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from whays: And to go back and compare the White arrival in North America as justification for the flooding of America by illegals is "moral equivelancy". A junior high school concept held in universal contempt by scholars and thinkers. Yes, wrongs have been done in the past. But what greater wrong then to flood America with third-world low IQ illegal aliens? Should we just import and tolerate the existence of cancer cells? And what of population growth? America is fracturing. Your uniform, your skin, was issued at birth. And overall view of immigration and it's implications for America can be found at the site "The Occidental Observer". I assume that by third-world 'low IQ' illegal aliens, you are referring to every immigrant of 'low IQ' that has ever crossed the border into the U.S. including all the low IQ Italians, Irish, British, Russians, Germans, Ukrainians, Polish, and the rest of the low IQ Europeans that settled into the US in mass during the first half of the 1900s, correct? The overall view of immigration and its implications for America can be found in history books. The effects of immigrants on this society either legal or illegal has been the same and the concerns of natives (U.S. born person) have been essentially the same through the decades and centuries.
4/12/2012 7:44:43 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
whays Payson, AZ 73, joined Nov. 2008	The Europeans who came to America represented the White gene pool. They prospered. Blacks and mestizos are anchors on society and our economic future.
4/12/2012 8:51:01 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from whays: The Europeans who came to America represented the White gene pool. They prospered. Blacks and mestizos are anchors on society and our economic future. Anchors on society come in all shapes, sizes, and races; including whites.
4/12/2012 9:20:39 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
walteb Locust Grove, OK 63, joined May. 2011	We can't take every person in the whole world in our borders. There is a limit to the number of people this country can support. My ancesters came here legally and were proud of it. My mother still has my grandfather's papers. I'm tired of people coming over here and excepting us to change to their way of life.
4/12/2012 10:43:07 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from walteb: We can't take every person in the whole world in our borders. There is a limit to the number of people this country can support. My ancesters came here legally and were proud of it. My mother still has my grandfather's papers. I'm tired of people coming over here and excepting us to change to their way of life. Why do you feel they want you to change to their way of life?
4/19/2012 2:14:10 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
memnock7007 Hitchcock, TX 56, joined Apr. 2012	There is only one race of people. The human race.
4/19/2012 4:43:18 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
rini_bo_bini Perryville, MO 28, joined Feb. 2012	Quote from memnock7007: There is only one race of people. The human race. This here.. though not enough people appreciate/recognize that.
5/12/2012 6:00:44 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from ozzycrue: no illegals, no burritos! Are you one of those who thinks the Mexicans are the only illegals in USA? See, the Latinos may be the easier ones to "detect"...but I assure you America is full of illegals from the four corners of the world.
5/12/2012 6:54:04 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
xfallenangel84 New Rochelle, NY 32, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from pinguinorojo: Anchors on society come in all shapes, sizes, and races; including whites. Duchessa and myself come from really diverse areas in NY and have taught an array of diverse students and I can say those students who come from a different country/speak a different language are some of the hardest working. Their families work hard to make sure their kids have a better way of life. To generalize all "illegals" as being from one group is ignorant. And to say there bringing down the education system and way of life is also ignorant. There are many factors that determine certain situations. [Edited 5/12/2012 6:56:55 PM ]
5/12/2012 7:17:55 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	xfallenangel84 Additionally...I have taught in The Bronx to kids from all four corners of the world...I can assure you two things: 1. The the teen and pre-teens from overseas bring knowledge with themselves. 2. The teens and preteens who were born in USA to foreign parents...or came to America when they were toddlers lack all that knowledge brought in by the kids in (1) [Edited 5/12/2012 7:18:10 PM ]
5/12/2012 9:40:31 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
xfallenangel84 New Rochelle, NY 32, joined Jan. 2012	Duchessa, I agree 100% with what your saying and describing. Not to mention that the Bronx is not an easy area to teach in. I teach 7th grade Social Studies ... so I definitely see both groups 1 and 2 of students. It is an already awkward age for most. I notice with the group 2 students you described that they are so worried about not fitting in with their peers that they separate themselves from the way their parents were brought up. It is difficult for them to bridge the gap of what they see their peers doing/acting and what is taught to them outside the classroom and at home by their parents who were born in another country. [Edited 5/12/2012 9:43:04 PM ]
5/12/2012 10:46:29 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	The U.S. born children of immigrants, typically don't have the slightest idea of what their parents have gone through because U.S. born children are American, not foreign.
5/12/2012 11:05:18 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Now, if to everything said we add an education system that wants the kids to fail...we have a real pic of what America will be in the near future.
5/13/2012 12:04:05 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
studley82 Bronx, NY 35, joined Mar. 2012	who knows what papers we have [Edited 5/13/2012 12:04:20 PM ]
5/13/2012 12:15:21 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
xfallenangel84 New Rochelle, NY 32, joined Jan. 2012	^what an original thought you have there Duchessa ... I have to agree with your predictions on the future of the educational system in the US. Scary but true, I do not seeing it get any better any time soon. There is so much emphasis made on how to take a test and less emphasis being made on certain skills kids need like reading and writing, grammar and math.
5/13/2012 2:46:02 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from xfallenangel84: ^what an original thought you have there Duchessa ... I have to agree with your predictions on the future of the educational system in the US. Scary but true, I do not seeing it get any better any time soon. There is so much emphasis made on how to take a test and less emphasis being made on certain skills kids need like reading and writing, grammar and math. *The government DOESN'T WANT* to have an educated population...**
5/14/2012 2:01:15 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
xfallenangel84 New Rochelle, NY 32, joined Jan. 2012	My frustrations are more than just trying to dumb down people ... the behavior issues within schools is horrible and administration just looks the other way. Students have no fear with authority or even getting suspended. They think getting suspension is a mini vacation. Government is so focused on testing instead of developing curriculum in teaching kids how to be respectful, intelligent, and hardworking human beings when parents fail to do that. It really is so frustrating at times. Sorry I just had to vent after the day I had! [Edited 5/14/2012 2:02:19 PM ]
5/14/2012 6:44:05 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pelham12345 Bronx, NY 35, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from punkgoddess67: This may be in the wrong forum but I need to vent a bit..sorry. Anyways, it burns my a** a bit that all these people are outraged about all the 'illegals' in this country, now unless history is telling us all wrong, I believe we didn't have the 'proper papers' when we took this land from the native americans. Am I wrong? Yes you are wrong. Native American's didn't have governments and there was no established country borders for the continent (yes there were some tribal lines and such but that isnt relevant for this arguement).. The Europeans came and conquered and now that there IS a country with a government and laws... If you break our law and enter our country then you are ILLEGAL.
5/14/2012 8:53:09 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from xfallenangel84: My frustrations are more than just trying to dumb down people ... the behavior issues within schools is horrible and administration just looks the other way. Students have no fear with authority or even getting suspended. They think getting suspension is a mini vacation. Government is so focused on testing instead of developing curriculum in teaching kids how to be respectful, intelligent, and hardworking human beings when parents fail to do that. It really is so frustrating at times. Sorry I just had to vent after the day I had! I am glad you mentioned the "behavior issues". The fact the authorities look the other way is nothing else but one more tool to keep the citizenry as dumb as possible. Yes, if the students don't behave no learning can take place....which, in turn, is exactly what the big guys want.
5/14/2012 9:03:08 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
walteb Locust Grove, OK 63, joined May. 2011	My son had a problem in Ag class till I looked the teacher in the eye and told him if my son needed his a$$ busted don't call me, do it. Look on sons face was priceless. End of problems.
5/15/2012 5:47:04 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from walteb: My son had a problem in Ag class till I looked the teacher in the eye and told him if my son needed his a$$ busted don't call me, do it. Look on sons face was priceless. End of problems. Well, today you would be sent t jail for even saying that.
5/15/2012 5:35:34 PM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pelham12345 Bronx, NY 35, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from duchessa: Well, today you would be sent t jail for even saying that. No you wouldnt, thats not a crime. You probably would be reported to child services though.
5/16/2012 12:06:49 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from pelham12345: No you wouldnt, thats not a crime. You probably would be reported to child services though. Trust me....today, a parent who says to a teacher "you can beat my child to correct his behavior" would not only be reported to CPS but arrested by the authorities after CPS contacts them. See...I was a teacher until recently; I know what must be reported.
5/16/2012 6:02:44 AM	We didn't exactly come here with papers...
pinguinorojo Johnson City, NY 31, joined Feb. 2010	Quote from pelham12345: Yes you are wrong. Native American's didn't have governments and there was no established country borders for the continent (yes there were some tribal lines and such but that isnt relevant for this arguement).. The Europeans came and conquered and now that there IS a country with a government and laws... If you break our law and enter our country then you are ILLEGAL. Define government, what is government? Well, according to the dictionary, Native Americans did have government. gov·ern·ment [guhv-ern-muhnt, -er-muhnt] Show IPA noun 1. the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration: Government is necessary to the existence of civilized society. According to history books, Native Americans did have government. According to common sense, Native Americans did have government. AND LAWS!! Whenever a group of people are in need of management and/or structure and someone (individual or subgroup) takes (or is assigned) the lead position in order to provide management and structure, that is government. The fact that 'tribes' existed and there was a tribal leader, is governmental organization. So, your argument that Native Americans were a bunch of anarchist salvages does not apply here. Your argument is the same justification used by invaders to rally its troops and gather support in the homeland, "We need to civilize them", "We need to democratize them", "We need to teach them Christ", "It's our job to show them the way".

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