Do you Hate God? 16

6/4/2008 6:45:36 AM	Do you Hate God?
pedro_2079 Peterborough, ON age: 21	well there u have it ladies and gents could not have said it better myself
6/4/2008 2:43:14 PM	Do you Hate God?
grizz67 Bernville, PA age: 41	Sorry Pedro, I got carried away.......I'm much better now. <(me) I think maybe I had some other issues in my life going on at the time and I allowed them creep into my writing at that time. So again, sorry for the blasting Pedro. Peace! [Edited 6/4/2008 2:44:25 PM]
6/22/2008 2:32:18 PM	Do you Hate God?
sgtmk Elgin, OR age: 37	An archaic idea like an all knowing deity or creator that has no beginning and no end and will condemn me to hell if I fail to see any logical evidence of said deities existence during my life time-yet I’m supposed to love this fantasy-deity... No thanks, I appreciate that you need to have faith in what you believe in and I will respect those beliefs; however, as an atheist I fail to see the point in discussing the existence of Bigfoot the Easter bunny, Santa Clause, the idea aliens-if they actually exist-would even want come here, much less look up my ass, and oh ya-God. If you are a believer good for you, hope you realize I’m trying to be funny and not sarcastic, or cruel. Matt PS Elvis is dead, nothing happened in Roswell NM, and Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.
6/22/2008 10:51:47 PM	Do you Hate God?
dbsuma Lakewood, OH age: 40	Quote from grizz67: A quote from your thread: "And usually when you talk about people being anti-religious they are usually talking about Christians. Not that I believe in Christianity by any means but as far as religions go it is probably one of the nicest religions on the planet. With all the Hindus trying to kill all the Muslims, all the Muslims trying to kill all the Hindus and Jews, All the Jews trying to kill everyone who isn't a jew, I don't think that Christians have killed anyone in the name of religion since the dark ages, so I'm rather unclear why everyone is pissed off at them." Are you insane!? Christians haven't killed anyone in the name of their religion since the dark ages!? Are you really that naive!? What about all of the abortion clinic bombings? How about all of the abortion clinic doctors murdered? What about the Internet sites dedicated to putting out lists with the names and addresses of everyone working for or associated with abortion clinics with a running check list of the ones that have been killed/murdered off? What about the so called Christians in the KKK targeting whole races of people because of their interpreting the bible as telling them who is an inferior race to them? What about the militant black christian groups that preach the bible as telling them whites are the devil? (not just the muslem ones) Almost every violent militant group currently active in America has a basis in Christianity. Can you not see your own bigotry oozing out of your afore mentioned quote? Read it again, very slowly. I don't hate god because I cannot hate someone who does not exist. If you are so weak as to need to hold onto the belief that there is a magic man in the sky that is your choice, but I truly feel as though you have, like so many other religious people, miss-represented yourself so as to get onto a group site to preach your beliefs to those who chose not to hear it. Your what is wrong with religion, you have lied to get onto this group to preach to us. Non religious is just that, you cannot just paint your religion another color. Your why I detest religion, you assume you have the right to preach your rederic to anyone you choose to and if you have to lie to get on a site to do it, well....that's OK in your book. You assume you are so enlightened that you feel empowered to preach to the atheists/nonreligious. To suggest Christianity is living out it's life as a gentle, unassuming lamb is diluted. I have many "Christian" friends who know how to respect another's boundaries, maybe you on the other hand should start going around ringing door bells or set up an empty orange crate to stand on in the middle of time square. Ah, OK, I'll try and make a little light work of you. I did write a big long eloquent response to your post but my browser froze up looking for a good sine wave, so I lost it all and I'm not going to write it all over again. But as far as a brief summery. There have been 7 people employed at abortion clinics in the united states that have been killed due to violence. "7"! You can look up how many people were killed in the 4 India - Pakistani wars, how many on both sides died in riots during independence, then and since, cause I'm no going to go looking it up for you again but it is the 10,000's to 100,000's. 4,789 Palestinians have been killed just since September 29, 2000. Not to mention how many people have been killed due to Arab - Israeli violence. 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel. 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967. 21,000 people, both military and civilians were killed in the 7 day war when Israel launched an unprovoked attack against it's neighbors. and yes, 7 abortion clinic employees were also killed by people who may or may not have been Christians. Also I did a search for you on "militant christian groups" most of which, if not all, including the KKK and Aryan Nations are a part of a conglomeration of wackos called "Christian Identity" groups, that believe they are the lost tribe of Israel that moved to Europe and want to to "reconstruct" the United States along biblical (primarily Old Testament) lines. Then I tried to explain a number of things which you obviously misunderstood and even accused me of being a Christian infiltrator, of which I'm not. then I explained that it is so very stupid to reject an imaginary god to pray to an imaginary devil. That in the absense of a god, mankind itself becomes that much more important. Then I was in the middle of explaining why people go to the opposite extreme, which is why I went looking for a sine wave to post for you when some asswipes website locked up my browser. But it was entirely much more amusing initially, at least for me, that is. and telling me that I'm forcing my beliefs on you. So are you the New atheist messiah that is going to tell us all how proper god doubting people should believe and act? Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is the disbelief in deities, that's all. There is theism, belief in a god or gods and atheism, the disbelief. the "A" prefix meaning "not or without". I suppose that is my point. It is Atheism, not antitheism. anti: against, opposite BTW, Antitheism doesn't really exist, I just made it up but feel free to start your own little group if you want. Atheism is not a religion and people are allowed to believe in whatever they want to. They can believe in UFO's, big foot, reincarnation and anything else that might spark their imagination. After all, that is why people become Atheists, right? Because they realized that traditional accepted beliefs were just wrong. So if the idea of a god that exists is wrong then there is probably a whole hell of a lot of other stuff in this world that people are going around believing in or not even knowing about that is false as well. All I'm saying is that in the absence of god, perhaps it is better to serve man. That just because there is no big spooky god looking down on you, checking off his list of who has been naughty and who has been nice, doesn't mean that we all have to start acting like a**holes all the sudden. Is that so wrong? That everyone seems largely pissed at Christians, mostly cause of sex but if you really look at it, Christianity is one of the more benign if not beneficial religions. And if it keeps Joe Six pack in line and prevents him from running loony in the streets, then why not let him believe in it? [Edited 6/22/2008 10:55:17 PM]
6/23/2008 8:02:30 AM	Do you Hate God?
grizz67 Bernville, PA age: 41	Everyone is free to believe what they want to. Now, if the "devote" would only be as free thinking we could all get along. Unfortunately they feel as though they have some "divine" right to do so. I don't agree with your assesment that christianity is such a benine religeon and I take issue with your overall view of things, but heh, in the end what the hell does my opinion amount to? To each his or her own, go ahead and shake the tree dbsuma and see what/who falls out. [Edited 6/23/2008 8:02:49 AM]
6/23/2008 9:22:05 AM	Do you Hate God?
gentledawn Watertown, NY age: 70	Lighten up....when you get to my age and still are an Atheist that will say it all. My only wish for the religious people of the world is for them to stop trying to corrupt it for the rest of us. I might be wrong but isn't it true that most wars are fought in the name of religion. I am comfortable in my belief and wish others the same.
6/23/2008 11:33:18 AM	Do you Hate God?
rvonk New Freedom, PA age: 46	You can't hate what does'nt exist
6/23/2008 2:46:17 PM	Do you Hate God?
dbsuma Lakewood, OH age: 40	Quote from gentledawn: Lighten up....when you get to my age and still are an Atheist that will say it all. My only wish for the religious people of the world is for them to stop trying to corrupt it for the rest of us. I might be wrong but isn't it true that most wars are fought in the name of religion. I am comfortable in my belief and wish others the same. Hello Gentledawn. It is my opinion that most wars are fought over population control, competition over resources and political dominance. But yes, I often argue with the Xians on the religion forum, they are almost spooky, all giving the same answers over and over again. "Praise Jesus, Beep!" "The Lord is our savior, Beep!" "trust in our imaginary god, Beep!" Makes you wonder what they are putting in that communion wine. But I feel the worst thing you can say about them is that they are just annoying. But this whole discussion makes me wonder if there are now more than one type of Atheist. Those that never had a religion and those who realized that their religion was false. I myself was raised Christian but I never really understood it, It just didn't make any sort of logical sense to me and I think religions should make, at least some sort of sense, don't you? So when I got old enough to be able to get away with NOT going to church, I didn't. My parents were still quite active in their church, in fact my dad was a deacon at one point in time and even though I didn't attend church or believe in the Christian god, once or twice I went to help out with their annual pageant, doing the lighting and smoke machines for the show. I even played the roll of Jesus for one of their shows, LOL, can you just imagine that! So I guess having been in that environment all till I was around 16 or so, I don't feel the need to demonize Christians. They seem to be completely out of touch and down right delusional, I feel, but hardly the villains that everyone wants to make them out to be. Cept for Catholics of course, every Catholic priest I've ever known seemed to be a gay Jewish man that joined the brotherhood so he could diddle little boys and get away with it, but that's an entirely different story. In fact, even thought I don't believe in Christianity, I am still grateful that I was raised that way. I mean, there are a lot of good ideas in it, do unto others, love thy neighbor, don't eat pork if you live in a very hot climate thousands of years before refrigerators were invented, cause it spoils so easily, that sort of thing. But I get the impression from some people that have lost faith or more aptly put "found truth", that they seem to think that since there is no big spooky god watching their every move, that is carte blanche to be as big real nasty bastards as they want to be, which isn't going to help anyone, including them. So I guess I'm like Nietzsche, that first you must have a religion before you can transcend it and those that may have never had one to begin with might have a totally different perspective on things. And I think that Atheists that have never had a religion or Satanist who don't like the one they got and Christians are all in the same field of fear, just on opposite sides of the fence. "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" - Friedrich Nietzsche Wiki Explanation: "God is dead" is not meant literally, as in "God is now physically dead"; rather, it is Nietzsche's way of saying that the idea of God is no longer capable of acting as a source of any moral code or teleology. Nietzsche recognizes the crisis which the death of God represents for existing moral considerations, because "When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. This morality is by no means self-evident... By breaking one main concept out of Christianity, the faith in God, one breaks the whole: nothing necessary remains in one's hands."[1] This is why in "The Madman", the madman addresses the atheists primarily — the problem is to retain any system of values in the absence of a divine order. The death of God is a way of saying that humans are no longer able to believe in any such cosmic order since they themselves no longer recognize it. The death of God will lead, Nietzsche says, not only to the rejection of a belief of cosmic or physical order but also to a rejection of absolute values themselves — to the rejection of belief in an objective and universal moral law, binding upon all individuals. In this manner, the loss of an absolute basis for morality leads to nihilism. This nihilism is what Nietzsche worked to find a solution for by re-evaluating the foundations of human values. This meant, to Nietzsche, looking for foundations that went deeper than Christian values." But that is just my opinion, err, well just my opinion and Friedrich Nietzsche's.
6/24/2008 1:11:30 PM	Do you Hate God?
jela23 Saint Paul, MN age: 24	I can't hate something that I don't believe exists. I do hate people that try to push religion on me though.
6/29/2008 2:46:11 PM	Do you Hate God?
lkg4the1 Montrose, PA age: 43	whoa peeps. how can one hate something that does not,nor ever has, exist???
7/11/2008 10:30:26 PM	Do you Hate God?
eyemaster2 Gloucester, ON age: 32	It is not god that I hate, it is the belief in / of a god.
7/12/2008 8:18:44 AM	Do you Hate God?
dumpsterdiver1 Kernville, CA age: 56	Christianity not responsible for murder? .....what a farce! It is now and always has been the doctrine of the U.S. Armed forces that"we fight for god and country"....if you are not a christian in the military,you will soon be outcast and in some instances(google it!)send back home to idle on base. In all U.S. military academies,the foremost philosophy taught is that"it is our mission to destroy all infidels and non believers of our lord Jesus Christ"....and these are the facts.....and as a veteran,i have witnessed countless incidents where bombs were inscribed with slogans such as "from Jesus with love"....and "god bless America"....So please don't tell us that Christianity does not play a role in thousands of murders on a daily basis
7/15/2008 4:21:28 AM	Do you Hate God?
ncrn99 Corpus Christi, TX age: 22	So much arguement, it's like sitting on a bus with a priest, rabbi and a Sheikh Why cant you all just be apathetic like me
7/20/2008 12:30:19 PM	Do you Hate God?
xlibra75x Gateway, AR age: 33	As far as i'm concerned, the sunuvabtch can f*k off n' die!
8/6/2008 8:57:08 AM	Do you Hate God?
hemingstieniv Sacramento, CA age: 58	i can say that about the xtian god and xtianity and most xtians as long as it is lucrative it will exist because its big business the one true god is the dollar in this nation and most of the world and the religion is capitalism and both xtianity and capitalism is the bane of humanity old karl was right

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