how does the Marine Prayer go:

This is my rifle with out me it is useless......


when will people get it through their head. the weapon is the person not the gun. The gun is only a piece of machinery

Jr. I have seen you on here for several and we have talked a few years ago [queenofhearts 61]. I have never said anything negative to or about you so I am dumbfounded that at this time you are trying to make an argument out of everything I say.

You have also read this forum enough to know that Joke as Betterwithme has said that he thinks that government workers get too much for retirement and benefits. He is also a state government worker that is expecting his government retirement as well as his military retirement. I have no problem with his getting what he is getting, but it is hypocritical to be receiving this himself but to say that he thinks all other government workers do not deserve theirs.

Many of them have worked for the GOV for their lifetimes but people like them think they do not deserve the retirement that they were promised and that they should be laid off at the ages of 50s and 60s and being stuck unable to get another job at their age. No one is going to hire them when there are millions of younger people to hire for less pay.

Your party is the one saying government workers do not deserve what they get. That is not my opinion. .

Heres what I'm asking you. Why vote for people who would get rid of your job if elected? I vote my economic best interest.

So why? Its all part of public service. You have to except the good with the bad.

Jr. I am sure as you are traveling that you get behind on the news but things have changed greatly in the workforce in the last 10 years. Have you not seen any of the reports of controllers falling asleep from too many hours and pilots cracking up in the middle of a flight? .

no wasa, i've not seen one report in the last ten years where the investigation revealed that a pilot or controller fell asleep due to overwork. but then, unlike you, i don't rely on the NEWS for my information when it regards aviation. my habit is to get such data from official ntsb accident and incident investigation reports. perhaps from the NEWS on which you rely on your information you can point me in the direction of such a case. i'll be happy to compare early NEWS speculation, something the media is prone to be guilty of, with the actual findings of the investigation.

I'm not an MSMBC groupy so no I have not hear that myself.

I know you were addressing jr. I am on another forum and all the times I will ask a question of one person and always a lib will butt in believing I care what they have to say. So I guess Im just use to butting in. Sorry.

I love this other forum because the liberals try so darn hard to make their point no matter how wrong headed.

I'm not taking it as an attack. There are alot of things that need fixed. I was just trying to illustrate why Romney isn't any better than Obama at job creation.

There is 30 years of stuff that needs worked on. The repeal of Glass Stegal during the Clinton years is what lead to the recession we're in right now. Glass Stegal basically provided a firewall between commercial banks and investment banks. Banks need to be broken up. No company should ever be allowed to be to big to fail. Because at that point a company would have to control so many assets that some anti-trust laws would have to kick in.

The problems we face are wicked complicated. Lots of moving parts and pieces and 30-40 years of mistakes that need to be fixed. And I'm afraid that the people we have lack the moral fiber to come together as americans and as adults to fix what ails this country.

Im going to try to simplify some stuff here:

Our economy is based on supply side economics. That means the price of things are based on demand. The higher the demand, the greater the price will be if the supply doesn't increase. This is the foundation.

Next for there to be stable aggregate demand, supply and demand need to have balance. Without strong aggregate demand a supply side consumption based economy will not entice investment. And without investment in things there are demand for there will not be as many jobs. So making things stable, eliminating uncertainty, sane monetary policy etc...create the environment where the economy can grow.

The following things help in elimination uncertainty:

**Common sense protections for working people who earn paychecks. This means those people making living wages so they can afford to buy stuff. If people can't afford to buy stuff there WILL NOT be strong economic growth.

**Sane stable tax policy. The argument we're having over 3-4 percent in taxes isn't that significant. Its not knowing how much your going to have to pay that can deter investment.

** Stop printing money. Inflation hurts. When things cost more people buy less. This hurts job growth. Paying more to borrow money is less painful than people not spending what they have. With that being said, interest rates that are too high encourage saving which would be great if we had alot more exports that would create jobs. If our economy didn't depend so much on us spending our own money and if we depended on other countries buying more stuff from us that would be fine. But that isn't the case and probably wont ever be the case again.

** Invest in infrastructure, invest in education. These have traditionally been the best investments we have made as a country. They lay the groundwork for the economy of the future. With that being said, we do need to reform the way we educate ourselves. We pay more per student have less positive outcomes.

** Become energy independent. We have resources that need to be developed. We should develope them.

** financial reform. No business should ever be to big to fail. No bank or insurance company should be allowed to be so big that its failure would derail the countries or global economy.


Now I don't know how much of this is conservative or liberal. But I live in a world of facts and truths. I have no ideology. I see a problem, I try to fix it. I wish more of our leaders were like that. If I were running for election to something this is what I would pitch.

nwver questioned your truthfulness. questioned your sources for information. aviation accidents and incidents are unique in that early news coverage almost always gets it wrong. investigations take six months to a year before the ntsb issues it's findings and it is rare that what was reported in the hours and days after the event that the board's findings are even close to what those news reports said and never does the media come back and even try to correct thier earlier crap. you may recall several years ago that rickey nelson was killed in a plane crash. it was widely reported that he and his friends were free basing cocain in the back of the aircraft, a fire broke out, the plane crashed and only the pilot and copilot survived. but what did the ntsb discover? do you even know? i do. why? because i always disregard news reports when it involves aviation in which i'm quite experienced and wait for the board to do its job before opining. but you go right ahead and rely on fox, nbc, cnn, whatever. when it comes to aircraft mishaps, you'll rarely get it right but nobody can say you're lieing.

The majority of this country's voice don't amount for anything these days. Corporations running politicians like puppets are running things. Sure we may have a couple senators who still represent the people of their state.. but when all decisions are being made based on money and corruption, their voices are about as small as ours are.

Until the government is turned back over to the common people, nothing we want matters.

well, if the news reported it..............

how many times must i repeat myself? when it involves aviation accidents and incidents my source for information is the actual ntsb, national transportation safety board, investigation report available to anybody who cares to read it.

You going to washburn?

And further more I don't know why liberals don't love the 2nd amendment. Its the most secular amendment we have.

Nobody is even talking about taking guns away just how much firepower does a person need unless they intend to kill people.

Wasn't the 2nd amendment enacted so that the people should have arms enough to combat and overthrow a tyrannical govt? Whats the purpose for the militia if that's not the case ?

and most liberals i know have secular beliefs.