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7/19/2012 5:47:47 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

dustinwerks
Williston, FL
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And if not what does it mean for his presidency? Does it mean the White House is occupied by a foreign national?




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7/19/2012 6:44:41 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

jrbogie1949
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7/19/2012 7:02:09 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,151)
Kansas City, KS
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looks that way. Will anyone do anything about it? I doubt it.

7/19/2012 11:24:39 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


You two need some help. HI releases a copy of the original birth certificate and people are so uninformed that they do not know that it is different than if you send for a certified birth record, you never get the original because the state holds onto that permanately.

7/19/2012 11:34:49 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

dustinwerks
Williston, FL
38, joined Apr. 2011


Quote from wasaqueen:
You two need some help. HI releases a copy of the original birth certificate and people are so uninformed that they do not know that it is different than if you send for a certified birth record, you never get the original because the state holds onto that permanately.
in the 60s they used terms like "african american"? New one on me.

7/19/2012 12:52:11 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
hellhound56
Over 1,000 Posts (1,378)
Conway, AR
26, joined Jun. 2012


Wasa. Stuff it. Obama released a BAD FORGERY.




It doesn't matter if he is or not.
He deserves to be shot for crimes against the American people but if he were proven to be a non citizen it would be the end of the democrat party.

7/19/2012 3:19:00 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,151)
Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from wasaqueen:
You two need some help. HI releases a copy of the original birth certificate and people are so uninformed that they do not know that it is different than if you send for a certified birth record, you never get the original because the state holds onto that permanately.





Maybe next time they can give an original of obamos rather then someone elses, forged.

7/19/2012 8:18:19 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

dustinwerks
Williston, FL
38, joined Apr. 2011


Quote from andy505050:
And for the white folks readin this listen up....unless we're gonna take everything and only let white people vote, hold jobs etc.... we'd better learn to play ball. Because if we alienate every other group of people will vote democrat. And their agenda will prevail....so be stupid about this....go ahead. Its on freedom and opportunity we're talking about.
dude individual votes don't count for poop. Your rights don't count for poop. Neither obama nor romney count for poop. Don't fall for it. We are a global society. THEY allow us the illusion that we have a say so.

7/19/2012 9:15:40 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

mrld_ii
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (24,775)
Stockton, CA
57, joined May. 2011




OK...let's assumu that all y'all are correct.


HOW incredibly incompetent are you and your beloved leaders that four years later


all y'all STILL can't prove it?!?


Tell you what: for that reason ALONE I'd vote for him over the other choices...


he's at least smart enough to pull it off, versus those who, 34,944 hours later of eating and breathing it, are so inept and incompetent, they STILL haven't *found the evidence*!!!


~pfffftttt~






7/20/2012 4:40:07 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

dustinwerks
Williston, FL
38, joined Apr. 2011


Quote from mrld_ii:


OK...let's assumu that all y'all are correct.


HOW incredibly incompetent are you and your beloved leaders that four years later


all y'all STILL can't prove it?!?


Tell you what: for that reason ALONE I'd vote for him over the other choices...


he's at least smart enough to pull it off, versus those who, 34,944 hours later of eating and breathing it, are so inept and incompetent, they STILL haven't *found the evidence*!!!Hey gorgeous, ain't trying to prove anything. But a certain sherriff in AZ made it a talking point. Kinda like Stokton going bankrupt.


~pfffftttt~






7/20/2012 5:12:20 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
energeticchad
Cuddy, PA
44, joined Jul. 2012


Hi, Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona found out through an investigator that, that Birth Certificate Obama showed the world is a FRAUD. Obama would never show documents of anything valid. He hasn't shown us his college records or any other records that we should see to validate him being a legal citizen. He has everything locked up. Obama is a Fraud. Bill Clinton was right when he said "this man is a fairy tale". Yes, he truly is. The story of his grandfather going to war and fighting in the war he talked about is FALSE... he never served in that war. Obama surrounds himself with Communists, Socialists, Mao Tse Tung lovers (for those that don't know, Mao Tse Tung killed thousands of people).

Obama is not a legal citizen and that's not the worst of it... the worst is him closing border agent stations for his illegal alien buddies to come over here to vote for him. He is desperate. He can't run on his record because his record is skyrocketing unemployment under him, solar panel firms going belly up which he spent our tax dollars on, he gave Eric Holder Executive Privilege over the Fast and Furious scandal and murders that Eric allowed... him and his whole Administration is corrupt and needs to be prosecuted/put in jail. Yes, Obama needs jailed for treason against America. He is an Anti-American through and through.

7/20/2012 5:21:02 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
energeticchad
Cuddy, PA
44, joined Jul. 2012


@andy505050 Hi just wanting to say you are sooo wrong. Glenn Beck is a credible guy and we are NOT tea baggers. We are hard-working Americans sick of the Obamamania media sticking up for this fraud and fairy tale in the White House. Obama has trashed America everywhere he goes, he has the Muslim Brotherhood in the White House frequently, debates with Terrorists but will not have any talks with Israel, instead he bashes them and talks to Iran trying to gain peace. Peace will never come in Iran. Iran said they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. By the way, with Obama taking away our missiles and other arms to fight in the military, reducing the money going to our troops that are fighting for us and with him not even batting an eye when the new Black Panther party intimidated voters at the polls in 2008... Eric Holder said he won't prosecute because they are black and they are "his people". Wow, how racist is Eric Holder! Oh and while we're on that subject, what do you think should happen to Eric Holder for being a murderer and not cooperating with the subpoena given to him to turn over ALL documents... he still won't do it. That calls for jail time.



[Edited 7/20/2012 5:22:12 AM ]

7/20/2012 5:29:27 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
energeticchad
Cuddy, PA
44, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from andy505050:
When did being an ignorant f**k become a prerequisite for being a conservative in this country. This birther thing is f**king rediculous. There is no way in the modern age of technology and millions of people diggin shit up would this ever, ever be able to be hidden. Now I don't like the man's politics but this is stupid, birthers are an embarrassment to my party.

And on a further note, something else thats got me hot under the collar is glenn beck, and michelle bachman without credible evidence going after people in the govt saying they belong or are associated with the muslim brotherhood. Are you f**king kidding me? Somebodys daddy or granddaddy knew somebody that knew somebody who had ties to the muslim brotherhood.

Well hell how many of these tea baggers know someone who is in the klan? Every person on the face of this earth is connect to everyone else by 6 people. That means you know somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody....etc... that knows the president.

Im lost. I am a conservative, but I can't stand the idiocy I hear from people. The shit is false. You can't build a solid foundation for our country's future if its built on bullshit.

There are plenty of ways to be conservative dealing in the world of facts and logic to come to educated decisions that will lay the foundation and ground work for a strong country where freedom prevails and opportunities are endless. But I guess the idiots in this country will continue to listen to glenn beck and am radio idiot politicians who have no business in public service.


Um Andy, you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You are NOT a conservative. Conservatives believe in conservative values. YOU can't be conservative and call Tea Partiers (Hard-working tax payers) Tea Baggers. Glenn Beck IS a decent guy. As I said in another post, Obama will not prosecute The Black Panther party for intimidating people at the polls in 2008, Eric Holder is a murderer, Obama surrounds himself around The Muslim brotherhood who just won in the middle east and are a very dangerous group of thugs. SEIU, ACORN, and other Community Organizing groups are corrupt to the hilt and your dear president (our regime leader) led them before becoming president. Any of us are better than a corrupt community organizer, voter fraud leader. Obama is a FRAUD. Like one of the men said on I believe it was ABC tv... "We don't know who this guy is, we don't know anything about him"... that was days before Obama became President.

But turn the tables... The lamestream media back in 2000 vetted George W. Bush over and over and grilled him until they were blue in the face. They gave Obama soft ball questions about what team he likes in football or if he thinks whoever would win the superbowl... you're pathetic if you think this Regime Leader is good for the country.
I'm not so into Romney but at least he is not a Communist like Obama is and all of Obama's Administration is...

7/20/2012 11:14:43 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


I see no one mentioned that the "birther" issue originally began with Hilary Clinton during the primary. I do find it odd that Obama never released his birth certificate then to debunk the rumor but 2 years into his presidency??? Seems odd. Perhaps the most damning evidence was in an interview with an Aunt (i believe it was an Aunt anyway) she said he wasnt born in the USA.. Then she just sorta disappeared.

I don't really have an opinion on the matter because it really doesnt matter at this point.. And we will likely never know.

On a sidenote, why do people care about his college transcripts? I mustev missed something..

7/20/2012 10:16:13 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
rini_bo_bini
Over 1,000 Posts (1,217)
Perryville, MO
28, joined Feb. 2012


I read an interesting blog by a former illuminati describing in detail about our past, what's going on now and of what's to come. For example Obama was raised in Europe by the illuminati which is why he has no birth certificate. That Obama is going to keep office for 6 terms and that WWIII will be started by Israel bombing Iran.. which will cause N. Korea to bomb their enemies, same with China, Russia and the middle east will ultimately be destroyed along with religion to create the new world order.

I can get the link to this guys blogs if anyone is interested.

7/21/2012 5:26:56 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

dustinwerks
Williston, FL
38, joined Apr. 2011


Quote from rini_bo_bini:
I read an interesting blog by a former illuminati describing in detail about our past, what's going on now and of what's to come. For example Obama was raised in Europe by the illuminati which is why he has no birth certificate. That Obama is going to keep office for 6 terms and that WWIII will be started by Israel bombing Iran.. which will cause N. Korea to bomb their enemies, same with China, Russia and the middle east will ultimately be destroyed along with religion to create the new world order.

I can get the link to this guys blogs if anyone is interested.
atta girl

7/21/2012 8:53:03 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,851)
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009


Quote from rini_bo_bini:
I read an interesting blog by a former illuminati describing in detail about our past, what's going on now and of what's to come. For example Obama was raised in Europe by the illuminati which is why he has no birth certificate. That Obama is going to keep office for 6 terms and that WWIII will be started by Israel bombing Iran.. which will cause N. Korea to bomb their enemies, same with China, Russia and the middle east will ultimately be destroyed along with religion to create the new world order.

I can get the link to this guys blogs if anyone is interested.


well if you read it on a blog..........................

7/21/2012 9:58:32 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
rini_bo_bini
Over 1,000 Posts (1,217)
Perryville, MO
28, joined Feb. 2012


I'm not saying everything I read online is true but this guy's blog seems to make sense more than many news stories do. No need to be a condescending asshat.

7/21/2012 10:22:19 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,151)
Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012


Asshat? Thats a new one. I fit in with the rest of the guys. Not picking on you but blogs are nothing but inflated egos. Its had enough to get real thoughtful news from the real tv and radio news without clogging my mind with someone elses ego trip.

7/21/2012 10:27:57 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Do these people's feet ever touch the ground or are they in this haze of conspiracy all the time?

7/22/2012 4:00:39 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
peterk2
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i dont really believe obama was born here. i think his mom had him in indonesia or kenya, was frantic at her mistake, and had relatives post notices in the paper back then, or else she posted when his sister was born, and his overseas sis aint talking. and a couple well placed million dollars got him the phony live birth cert we all know and love today. biggest fraud since madoff, maybe bigger.

7/22/2012 8:39:58 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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Quote from andy505050:
We can hypothesise all we like...The man was elected to most power office in the world. Unitl your in that position your not that powerful. For this to have been covered up, somebody in his life would have known at the time of his birth that one day he'd be running for president. I just don't buy it.

But I know one thing. We need to discuss the economy. Because thats what will win the election. Not this birther stuff. There are plenty of issues to run on. Birther stuff isn't a good one.




Sorry, but it is our right to talk about or president anyway, anytime we want. This is the land of the free.

7/23/2012 12:42:21 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from peterk2:
i don't really believe obama was born here. i think his mom had him in indonesia or kenya, was frantic at her mistake, and had relatives post notices in the paper back then, or else she posted when his sister was born, and his overseas sis ain't talking. and a couple well placed million dollars got him the phony live birth cert we all know and love today. biggest fraud since madoff, maybe bigger.



I cannot believe that my fellow citizens are so dumb. I had believed that Americans were smarter than this but I have to admit that I was wrong. What happened to our schools that our population is no smarter than this?

Peter are not aware that persons do not put their birth notice in the paper but it is the hospital that puts it in the paper and sorry but I do not believe that anyone could have imagined 50 years ago that this poor child from a mother that was on welfare for awhile, knew that he would be elected to president in 2008, so started this kind of hoax.

7/23/2012 7:27:49 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
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Quote from wasaqueen:
I cannot believe that my fellow citizens are so dumb.



How can that statement be true wasa. You support OWS.

7/24/2012 12:06:49 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from jokethem:
eader]Quote from wasaqueen:
I cannot believe that my fellow citizens are so dumb.



How can that statement be true wasa. You support OWS.




So you support old white men.

7/24/2012 12:11:21 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
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Quote from wasaqueen:
So you support old white men.






That because their my kind.

7/26/2012 1:29:33 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
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Dayton, OH
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Quote from dustinwerks:
And if not what does it mean for his presidency? Does it mean the White House is occupied by a foreign national?



ok his mom is from the USA so that makes him from the usa. end of story move on!

7/26/2012 1:32:22 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
Over 1,000 Posts (1,144)
Dayton, OH
46, joined May. 2011


Quote from wasaqueen:
You two need some help. HI releases a copy of the original birth certificate and people are so uninformed that they do not know that it is different than if you send for a certified birth record, you never get the original because the state holds onto that permanately.




ok so if my ex wife wanted to run for president she cant cause she was born in Spain? even though one of her parents is fron the USA? bullshit!!!!

7/26/2012 11:23:38 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


That is what our constitution says, you gotta be born in USA.

7/27/2012 2:43:34 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

jar3359
Morrice, MI
38, joined Jul. 2012


I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii but, he doesn't have great American values and hates the private sector he believes in big intrusive government and that makes him a socialist in my mind. You have to look at some of the people he has ties to Frank Marshall Davis was a huge communist, Bill Ares, was a domestic terrorist in the 60's he helped right Obama's book "Dreams Of Our Fathers" which almost all of it has turned out to be lies. His own father was a staunch anti-capitalist, his mother was a progressive by the way she was told to be checked for cancer before she was diagnosed if your told to be checked and you don't by your doctor then that is on you it's not the insurance company's fault that you were denied coverage because your too busy to get checked you have to make time. His grandparents were communists he was not raised with high American standards either he grew up mostly in Indonesia and learned to hate America. I would really like to know what his transcripts were like at Harvard and how he got his law degree what he was teaching at the law school in Chicago as well. The media didn't vet him at all during the 2008 election they put him on a pedestal because Bush, was so bad ok lets say Bush, was so bad at least he didn't triple the national debt in less than 3 years with his so called stimulus package. To re-elect this fool is stupid and he will destroy the capitalist society that has made this country so great he will try everything in his power to make the second amendment illegal which was fought for by Thomas Jefferson, to protect the people from the government. He could event try to pronounce himself a dictator similar to Hitler in Germany in the 30's who I might add came to power democratically. I say down with Obama up with Romney he's not great but, he's the start of something to get this country back to greatness. We have a class of moochers and leaches were 50% don't pay any taxes that live off the government system here's an idea if you want something get a job work hard stop living off the system. Franklin D. Roosevelt started social security probably for good reasons but, when at least 75% of our budget goes to fund it I would have to say the system is broken what would we do without a military if things don't change we won't have one. Liberals in Washington are bound determined to make us into a European socialist state and continue to give money to support the UN who by the way lease that building they don't own it we need to kick them out they have caused more problems than they solve. Under Obama he wants to give them more power and strip you and I of our rights. You have the right to life, liberty, and the "pursuit" of happiness that doesn't mean you'll get it. You don't have the right to free healthcare which will break this country almost all private insurance companies will be forced out of business and most employers will have to raise costs for their employees and will be forced to drop their employees healthcare plans Obama, even said eventually all private health insurance companies will be forced out of business do you want that I know I don't it will be like going to the unemployment office or the DMV we will also have death panels if your to old or too sick you will be denied coverage. Young people that want to pay the penalty for not having the government plan will be denied for the full year if you get really sick in that year they will have to pay out of pocket or be turned away. This will raise the cost of healthcare not lower it "Obama Care" must be repealed the federal government can't force you to buy anything the states can but, that's different under the 10th amendment but, not the federal government. I urge every Independent, Libertarian, and Republican to vote for Romney. We can't do much about the Liberals though they will vote for Obama through thick and thin because they believe that government is the answer and it good to pay more taxes well I say it not good steal peoples money and distribute it to the people you see fit. I say again down with Obama in 2012.

7/27/2012 6:18:56 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from shawnsr33:
ok so if my ex wife wanted to run for president she cant cause she was born in Spain? even though one of her parents is fron the USA? bullshit!!!!


sure she can run so long as;


1.The person's parents were married at time of birth
2.One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
3.The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child's birth
4.A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

7/27/2012 6:21:02 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from wasaqueen:
That is what our constitution says, you gotta be born in USA.


not so, wasa. john mccain was born in panama to two american citizens.

7/27/2012 7:19:53 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
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Dayton, OH
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and obamas mother is anamerican citizen so end of story, you think mit romney give 2 shits about you? um.. unless you have billions of dolars he will but you dont. So I think Obama is the better choice. I think its funny a lot of people have memory loss about the George W years and then blame the black man for it all.

7/27/2012 7:34:15 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
Over 1,000 Posts (1,144)
Dayton, OH
46, joined May. 2011


this country was sold, bought, and paid for along time ago, it all about the money and look at history and the fall of rome, samething here folks when you have filthy rich men buying someone into office, makes you wonder does democracy really excist, umm no and if you believe that you believe the same false platitudes as nazi germany.
One question to the above posters and answer honistly, why do you protect the top 1% lifestyle? Do you believe the american dream that maybe you will one day be in the top 1%? Wel if you do keep dreaming. Cause people like me know the truth the top 1% call it the american dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it!

7/27/2012 7:36:46 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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Quote from shawnsr33:
and obamas mother is anamerican citizen so end of story, you think mit romney give 2 shits about you? um.. unless you have billions of dolars he will but you dont. So I think Obama is the better choice. I think its funny a lot of people have memory loss about the George W years and then blame the black man for it all.




I'm pretty sure Bush is no longer in office and has not been for 3.5 years. So maybe you can address ob's record for us rather then hide it with G. bush?

7/27/2012 7:59:46 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
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Dayton, OH
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Quote from jokethem:
I'm pretty sure Bush is no longer in office and has not been for 3.5 years. So maybe you can address ob's record for us rather then hide it with G. bush?


george W came into(stole) a presidency with a surplus and within 1st year of it rode it into the tank, remember the corprate term "Race to the bottom?"
you think one of your republican pigs can fix the economy in 4 years by all means tell him to step forward, shit isnt there SOMEONE in the republican party that will ever take responsibility for what happend during the Bush years? lol They dont have to they have all the money and use someone like you to believe you will be rich one day, as I said keep DREAMING!

7/27/2012 8:07:29 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
Over 1,000 Posts (1,144)
Dayton, OH
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I hope your not the sort that believes Oswald was the lone gunmen, if you do then your more blind then i thought.



[Edited 7/27/2012 8:07:56 AM ]

7/27/2012 11:48:57 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from shawnsr33:
george W came into(stole) a presidency with a surplus and within 1st year of it rode it into the tank, remember the corprate term "Race to the bottom?"
you think one of your republican pigs can fix the economy in 4 years by all means tell him to step forward, shit isnt there SOMEONE in the republican party that will ever take responsibility for what happend during the Bush years? lol They dont have to they have all the money and use someone like you to believe you will be rich one day, as I said keep DREAMING!


Good god you watch MSNBC like a rabid dog watching a meaty leg dont you?

#1 the "surplus" NEVER EXISTED!! It was a PROJECTED SURPLUS! Howevet the dot-com bubble burst before the budget year and the surplus never happened.
#2 i hear republicans on tv speak out against bush's spending ALL THE TIME! His spending was not fiscally conservative at all (despite over 1 trillion on war.. The other trillions came from somewhere)
#3. If you are complaining about Bush's spending an fiscal policy then what of Obama?? Obama has spent less than 1/2 the time in office than Bush and has spent MORE THAN BUSH! And the economy is a wreck. He thinks the fed needs to print MORE money and devalue our currency to improve the economy. Talk about driving the car into the ditch? Well obama poured gas into the match and threw a match and a grenade in for good measure.

7/27/2012 12:17:53 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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Quote from shawnsr33:
george W came into(stole) a presidency with a surplus and within 1st year of it rode it into the tank, remember the corprate term "Race to the bottom?"
you think one of your republican pigs can fix the economy in 4 years by all means tell him to step forward, shit isnt there SOMEONE in the republican party that will ever take responsibility for what happend during the Bush years? lol They dont have to they have all the money and use someone like you to believe you will be rich one day, as I said keep DREAMING!





Do you have a brain or is your head plugged directly into MSMBC?

7/27/2012 6:32:10 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
Over 1,000 Posts (1,144)
Dayton, OH
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Quote from pelham12345:
Good god you watch MSNBC like a rabid dog watching a meaty leg dont you?

#1 the "surplus" NEVER EXISTED!! It was a PROJECTED SURPLUS! Howevet the dot-com bubble burst before the budget year and the surplus never happened.
#2 i hear republicans on tv speak out against bush's spending ALL THE TIME! His spending was not fiscally conservative at all (despite over 1 trillion on war.. The other trillions came from somewhere)
#3. If you are complaining about Bush's spending an fiscal policy then what of Obama?? Obama has spent less than 1/2 the time in office than Bush and has spent MORE THAN BUSH! And the economy is a wreck. He thinks the fed needs to print MORE money and devalue our currency to improve the economy. Talk about driving the car into the ditch? Well obama poured gas into the match and threw a match and a grenade in for good measure.

I dont watch tv im to busy working to watch it!

7/27/2012 6:37:04 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

shawnsr33
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46, joined May. 2011


Quote from jokethem:
Do you have a brain or is your head plugged directly into MSMBC?

ok just like the republicans with the insalts ok you believe what you want and ill believe what i want! No Im to f**king busy working to waste my time watching tv. All in All the country is finished you can analize all you want the facts still remain, i go by what I SEE not WHAT IM TOLD and thats the differance between you and me.

7/31/2012 6:17:17 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
rini_bo_bini
Over 1,000 Posts (1,217)
Perryville, MO
28, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from shawnsr33:
ok just like the republicans with the insalts ok you believe what you want and ill believe what i want! No Im to f**king busy working to waste my time watching tv. All in All the country is finished you can analize all you want the facts still remain, i go by what I SEE not WHAT IM TOLD and thats the differance between you and me.
if you're too busy to watch tv... Why/how are you making time to be online? Are you too busy for spell check too? How about brushing up on grammar?

But seriously, Obama is terrible. I'd much rather not rely on food stamps.. I'd much rather be self sufficient, not co dependent on my government. It seems Obama wants everyone poor and depending on the government.. I mean if I could afford health care I'd have it.. now I'm being told that because I can't afford it I'm being fined? I rent, I pay my vehicle taxes, I buy insurance on my car, I do everything I'm supposed to be doing yet I've nothing to show it except my continued existence.. I get paid a hair over min wage..

I don't like Romney either. For similar reasons. He isn't much better than Obama. And like Obama, he too has things hidden from public eye. Not only that but he is blatantly for the rich.. couldn't care less about the average American or the working poor.

It's bad juju all around.

7/31/2012 4:46:06 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from shawnsr33:
I dont watch tv im to busy working to watch it!


Perhaps you shouldnt be posting on a forum if u dont have any time to educate yourself.....

7/31/2012 10:02:53 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Andy most of the stimulas was tax cuts it was mostly not giving money to anyone.


I think it is really wrong for Obama to take the funds out of the social security taxes because they not only take it to use in any way they want but allow less to be taken in. Then they can say later how social security is breaking the budget. Social security and medicare are the only things in the budget that is payed for and I am so tired of hearing how it is costing the budget too much. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DEMAND THAT THE CONGRESS LEAVES SS FUNDS ALONE AND QUIT STEALING THEM FOR THEIR PORK PROJECTS AND TO PAY BACK BIG DONORS WITH TAX BREAKS?

7/31/2012 10:38:36 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
muldoon1959
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (26,041)
Vallejo, CA
58, joined Feb. 2008


Quote from pelham12345:
Perhaps you shouldnt be posting on a forum if u dont have any time to educate yourself.....


Perhaps you can be better educated by not watching the tv.
Network news, cable news.
It doesn't matter anymore.
It's all tabloid news.
Don't assume some one isn't educated and up to date
because they don't watch TV.

8/1/2012 7:49:41 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
jokethem
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,151)
Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012


yes, we should all move out to california where news is breaking every day. We can be like maldoom and know the next city to fail and the next sport that kids can't play.

8/5/2012 3:55:20 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Quote from wasaqueen:
Andy most of the stimulas was tax cuts it was mostly not giving money to anyone.


I think it is really wrong for Obama to take the funds out of the social security taxes because they not only take it to use in any way they want but allow less to be taken in. Then they can say later how social security is breaking the budget. Social security and medicare are the only things in the budget that is payed for and I am so tired of hearing how it is costing the budget too much. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DEMAND THAT THE CONGRESS LEAVES SS FUNDS ALONE AND QUIT STEALING THEM FOR THEIR PORK PROJECTS AND TO PAY BACK BIG DONORS WITH TAX BREAKS?


Being a recent retiree I went to the local social security office to see what paying in all those years would yeild and how my investments and other finances would affect it. The most amazing thing happened.

There wre about 50 people in there waiting their turn to apply for benefits. I wasn't one of the two gray headed people in there because my hair just won't turn, but what was amazing is the number of 35 less year old healthy looking women with a pair of half Hispanic kids, one half black kid, and one half white kid sitting in the chairs there. They were all applying for benefits.

When my turn came I asked the young lady working there what was up with that. Her reply? "Didn't you know? SSI is the new welfare.". That is a direct quote from what she said. It seems that as soon as other government benefits run out on these irresponsible waifs they turn to social security they never paid into to make up for their laziness, shortcomings, and bad personal decisions.

If there is anything wrong with social scurity that is it. It is being abused and used for many things it was never designed to fund.

8/5/2012 4:53:04 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


Where have you been? Scum sucking up SSI been around for awhile...

8/5/2012 10:20:52 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


I was working 10-12 hours a day 5-6 days a week and on call 24/7. Didn'thave time to look at that detail. I was genuinely surporsed.

Lately I was blown away with the debacle over free cell phones. Saw a documentary where some girls had a purse full of them. Whoever is handing them out in the name of the governemnt is so keen on it that according to the people getting them they don't even check to see how many some slime ball already has.

According to the documentary, not unlike the "Fast and Furious" debacle, many are used for uninteneded purposes like "throw aways" for drug dealers. How much fun and how effective is that government program?

8/6/2012 1:19:02 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from 58dpilot:
I was working 10-12 hours a day 5-6 days a week and on call 24/7. Didn'thave time to look at that detail. I was genuinely surporsed.

Lately I was blown away with the debacle over free cell phones. Saw a documentary where some girls had a purse full of them. Whoever is handing them out in the name of the governemnt is so keen on it that according to the people getting them they don't even check to see how many some slime ball already has.

According to the documentary, not unlike the "Fast and Furious" debacle, many are used for uninteneded purposes like "throw aways" for drug dealers. How much fun and how effective is that government program?




SSI is not social security it has always been federal welfare because, as you said some states run out on having responsibility for there own citizens. You don't want them to have all those kids then leave the family planning alone and let them slow up the growth. Women do not have any power with 4 or 5 kids hanging on them. Just stating facts I was one of those women.

8/6/2012 8:28:58 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


So what? It comes from federal funding paid into for a specific purpose originally intended to help old people, not irresponsible young ones. Want a program for young people? Start one for it and leave this one alone. That's why it's bankrupt and in danger of causing old people to lose everything they paid for.

8/6/2012 4:16:04 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
nobility4two
Webster, MA
45, joined Mar. 2012


Not a fan of Obama....

Mandating people to purchase items such as health care is taking away our freedom to purchase what we choose. We are now being told we have to purchase things. Especially since the health care/drug manufactures are the leading supports for political officials that will vote/draft things in their favor in trade for billions of dollars into their campaign funds.

That will be the first on many things that will be mandatory.

Sad... that we are losing our say in such things...

8/6/2012 5:44:35 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


You are not entirely without say, you can still vote... Vote out politians in your state that support this massive expanse of government control.

8/6/2012 7:09:31 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
nobility4two
Webster, MA
45, joined Mar. 2012


In the case of mandatory health insurance we were without say...

I have a job and health insurance. So it wasn't an issue that made things difficult for me.... but it effected millions of people.

8/6/2012 8:51:17 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Obama is a freaking ALIEN! He is not an American patriot by any measure for sure! He is at best a "Community Organizer" and that means someone that wants something for nothing. A complete fool with a corps of writers that are not much more intelligent than he. He is a disgusting person. Note I did not endow him with the honor of the term "man".

8/6/2012 8:52:44 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from 58dpilot:
So what? It comes from federal funding paid into for a specific purpose originally intended to help old people, not irresponsible young ones. Want a program for young people? Start one for it and leave this one alone. That's why it's bankrupt and in danger of causing old people to lose everything they paid for.



SSI DOES NOT come out of the social security fund. It is from the general fund not the social security fund. What holds the most IOUs from the Federal government is the social security fund.

8/6/2012 8:57:13 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Hey uninformed lady, there is no difference between the "General Fund" and the "Social Security Fund". Where did you fall off the boat? They have been "combined" since Carter! Fancy accounting or not, it is all the same money. Gads, when it is so easy for the bureaucrats to fool people like you it is no wonder we are in the shape we are. Good God woman, they even let you vote!


8/9/2012 10:36:58 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from 58dpilot:
Hey uninformed lady, there is no difference between the "General Fund" and the "Social Security Fund". Where did you fall off the boat? They have been "combined" since Carter! Fancy accounting or not, it is all the same money. Gads, when it is so easy for the bureaucrats to fool people like you it is no wonder we are in the shape we are. Good God woman, they even let you vote!



Shows how stupid and uninformed you are. There is still a social security fund it only has IOUs in it because they keep spending it. This can be easily proven so before you say I am wrong maybe use your computer for something other than attacking people and you will find this out.

And if all you ever read is right wings bull crap then you are missing a lot of the truth. Guess what rightwingers lie too.

8/10/2012 8:06:59 AM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Our government keeps writing checks when there is no money in the account. What is funny is their checks never bounce as long as Congress continues to pass spending bills. That is why there is a $16 plus trillion deficit. They keep spending what they don't have and have already spent more than anyone can ever repay in real money.

The government isn't moving money around, they are merely moving debt around. What they go into debt for is not as important as the simple fact that they are already way overextended and can't recover without a major financial adjustment. Yes, the country can go backrupt and reorganize. That reorganization is also known as a depression. Better get your afairs ready for that!

8/10/2012 7:04:03 PM So is Obama a citizen or not ?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from 58dpilot:
Our government keeps writing checks when there is no money in the account. What is funny is their checks never bounce as long as Congress continues to pass spending bills. That is why there is a $16 plus trillion deficit. They keep spending what they don't have and have already spent more than anyone can ever repay in real money.

The government isn't moving money around, they are merely moving debt around. What they go into debt for is not as important as the simple fact that they are already way overextended and can't recover without a major financial adjustment. Yes, the country can go backrupt and reorganize. That reorganization is also known as a depression. Better get your afairs ready for that!




And liars blame all 16 trillion on Obama even though the congress has not let anything he wanted through in the last 1 3/4 years. 10 trillion plus is what Bushy boy added or maybe should say that Chaney was really pulling Bushes strings.

Did anyone else hear Bushes statements that "being President was great I had all this power and was respected. Mr. Bush all honest people do not respect a liar and torturer.