| 8/15/2007 8:44:23 PM |
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swcw25
Woonsocket, RI
age: 48 online now!
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How sad for you that your distain for the church stopped you from maybe hearing something that would have made a positive difference in your life.I suffer from both alcoholism and depression(ive had several nervous breakdowns)and whatever hospital or treatment facility I ended up at,I was at such a low that if they told me to stand on my head and spit nickles,I would have done it,if I thought it would help me.
It just reinforces my gratitude for the many Blessings that He has given me!Thanks for sharing your story,Queen. Peace
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| 8/15/2007 9:05:40 PM |
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genuinedee
Crystal Lake, IL
age: 48
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Queen...
Wow, where was that at? Was it just a few minutes of preaching or are we talking 1/2 hr or so?
I live in the Chicago area and have a number of friends who bring food and serve at the soup kitchens. This type of thing never happens there nor at the Pads shelters out in the burbs.
Sure all the people who help are 'church' people so there is a Christian slant in all that is done but nobody denies food until after a spiritual push was heard.
Just makes me shake my head. Seems your situation has definitely changed for the better!
Thank God.
ps: SWCW... Awesome! Praise God for His helping hand in your life too!
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| 8/15/2007 9:10:44 PM |
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queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 61
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I had been a very devout christian up to that point You all do not seem to understand I know as much about what you all believe and the bible as you all do. There is no new understanding I am going to get from christianity.
I have been there done that for 40 years of my life and christians turned me almost into an athiest.
What is there to say but I do not believe anymore in christianity. Not because I do not understand it but because I do understand.
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| 8/16/2007 6:04:10 AM |
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swcw25
Woonsocket, RI
age: 48 online now!
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Most places...shelters,soup kitchens,Salvation Army and such...make it mandatory to attend some sort of spiritual service or lead in prayer(you dont have to listen or pray)because they are well educated and long standing people in the community,who knows what works(most times)to enhance the lives of the less fortunate.
Do you really think theres any other motive and if you do....what???Theres many who believe that the Christian are money hungry,mind controlling freaks, and... they are entitled to their opinion,but what money will they get from homeless people? The only "mind control" most Christians desire is that everyone have the opportunity to welcome Jesus into their lives to help ease their minds of the burdens of everyday challenges!
That can also fit here in this thread about the Christians trying to "brainwash" the Cambodians.No..... there just trying to help "ease their pain and suffering". They give "candy" to kids....cause thats what they like!!!!! Its called being....A kind,caring,compassionate,Christian!!!!! Peace
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| 8/16/2007 7:36:40 AM |
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vant
Wilmington, DE
age: 50
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IRONRANGER- my point is that christian missionaries take advantage of poor impoverished people.
The question is, what is their motivation. Well, all the bible thumping Christians out there aren't going to like this but the motivation is SELFISH. The missionaries are not giving, they're getting. They think either consciously, or more than likely, uncosciously, that by grabbing some souls or adherents for Jesus, that it will put them in good graces with the deity. They will get special treatment and get to sit next to god or at least get front row seats. Every time they get to witness someone they get a spontanious orgasm because they think they're getting approval or praise from god or Jesus. This motivation isn't limited to missionaries, many people that do acts of charity feel that god knows of their kindness and they will be REWARDED.
But there are those that are saying, "Oh no, not me" and not mother Teresa. There are probably a handfull of those that help others without feeling that they will somehow be rewarded for their help. Most people are not introspective enough to realize what their motivation is, and even if they could see it, they would be in denial because they desperately want to insure their place in heaven. I know this sounds cynical, but the truth sometimes hurts.
We had to study the psychology of religion, Trinity College, Cambridge, England.
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| 8/16/2007 7:40:41 AM |
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krupa1
Abilene, TX
age: 39 online now!
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I apprecieate the thought Dee. It still changes nothing. God ain't doin a thing to change the situation. Thereby we rely on ourselves out here. Don't like being disillusioned.....but, it is what it is.
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| 8/16/2007 7:55:52 AM |
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vant
Wilmington, DE
age: 50
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syingar- consider this, in American jurisprudence, INTENT weighs more than action or result. Nevertheless, a beneficial result from a selfish motive is ok by me as long as they don't have to swallow Jesus with that bread and there aren't any strings attached.
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| 8/16/2007 8:26:23 AM |
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ironranger
Owatonna, MN
age: 40
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vant - i dont accept your generalization that missionaries do work for selfish reasons.... what you didnt learn in england was what it feels like to be called and how letting god guide you actually works........ there is no philosophy to it. you either understand how it feels or you dont. the mind and thought can only give you so much - your writing reminds me of the movie good will hunting.....
you totally missed the whole point about humanity.... completely and utterly which is sad.
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| 8/16/2007 8:54:43 AM |
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vant
Wilmington, DE
age: 50
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syngar- you mowed my lawn. You benefitted by making you house look better by association.
Did i get a "free service" or do i now feel indebted to you. Do you feel i need to repay you somehow and if i don't you'll have a bitter resentment? "That bastard, i mowed his lawn but what has he done for me" After all, what is really free?
-there are worse things to do in this world than "swallow jesus".-
Of the 82,735,162,389,273 worse things to do in this world, ok, i guess if you had to swallow Jesus, it's just another ordinary worse thing.
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| 8/16/2007 9:19:40 AM |
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swcw25
Woonsocket, RI
age: 48 online now!
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Krupa...He is doing something....He has sent "US"!
Syngar and "you"(lol)....I just got teary eyed from the message you(2) are sending...Never stop being who you(2) are today,it will not,Not be rewarded...in Heaven and here on earth!!!! Love to both of you!!!!
Vat.....vat vat vat.....Most Christians know that it is not "what you do" its "how you do what you do"(with a pure/kind heart)that matters most! Its not called self ishness its called,self gratification,there is a difference. You obviously never have experienced the feeling of total "worth", which you will only find after you have given of youself to anything or anyone for no "other reason" than...because it felt right!
Im sorry for you that someone taught you otherwise and you now Believe that.You are missing out on a Beautiful thing!! Peace
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| 8/16/2007 9:35:41 AM |
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vant
Wilmington, DE
age: 50
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ironranger- your not talking about philosophy and neither am i. Your talking about:
"was what it feels like to be called", "you either understand how it feels ". So, it seems to me that you're talking about feelings or you like to use that word. Feelings, this is psychology not philosphy. Please define "to be called", by whom, how.
Didn't see good will hunting - can't comment.
"the mind and thought can only give you so much" -
i agree, especially after reading - Kant's Critique of Pure Reason.
"you totally missed the whole point about humanity"-
according to your reality, argue the point not the person
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| 8/16/2007 9:41:16 AM |
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queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 61
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You do not have to be christian to do what is right{why does anyone think so?}. You also do not have to be christian to know that doing something for someone else gives you a feeling of self worth. You do not have to be christian to love other people that are strangers or live in other lands. You do not have to be christian to have adoration for your Maker. You do not have to be christian to know you like yourself much more when you are doing what you know to be right.
Why would anyone think goodness only comes from christians?
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| 8/16/2007 9:53:05 AM |
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vant
Wilmington, DE
age: 50
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syngar- "youd be a shit not to appreciate it". Ok, this validates my previous point. What you really mean is, "you'd be a shit not to be indebted" and you would have obvious resentment if it wasn't appreciated. There is "service or good deed" bookeeping going on here. I did something for you, so you owe me something even if it's only a thanks. But, that's my point, if your really doing a good deed or charity, you shouldn't expect or need a thanks - nothing.
What i've been saying that everyone seems to be missing because i've been too subtle, so i'll have to spell it out is: VIRTUE IS ITS OWN REWARD.
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| 8/16/2007 9:54:07 AM |
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swcw25
Woonsocket, RI
age: 48 online now!
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Your just looking for an arguement queen.You have known what I stand for long enough to know that I dont believe Christians are any better or worse than anyone else!!!!!!!!
The only time you will see me get "negative" or "aggressive" towards "anyone" is if that person is singling "specific" people out.I do not give a rats patunia who u are or what u believe,the only things I stand by are "common sense" and "common curtousy".
I mentioned Christians "only" because the person I directed my post to was bashing them.
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| 8/16/2007 10:00:05 AM |
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swcw25
Woonsocket, RI
age: 48 online now!
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Unless your writing in some secret code...."you" most certainly have not been saying....Virtue is its own reward!
Thats what "we" have been trying to get you to understand!!!!
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