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6/6/2014 11:48:18 PM  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but unless you're married, you're single.

How is living together, or dating someone, a commitment to fidelity?




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6/6/2014 11:49:35 PM Bellaire, TX  
starr_n_love
Over 1,000 Posts (1,570)
Chicago, IL
31, joined Mar. 2014


I just say taken...

6/6/2014 11:51:30 PM Bellaire, TX  
get2knowuwell3
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,218)
Fort Worth, TX
46, joined Jun. 2013


Quote from starr_n_love:
I just say taken...


to my basement

6/6/2014 11:52:40 PM Bellaire, TX  
lilod
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,074)
Aurora, IL
49, joined Aug. 2012


Whether you've made a commitment to fidelity or not depends on what you've agreed to with your partner or what expectations you've created.

You're not old fashioned at all, because in earlier times it would have been a significant scandal for someone who was "spoken for" to interact with another man/woman in ways much, much milder than sex. The social norm most definitely did not say, "well, you're engaged (or even 'pinned'), but you're not married, so you're single and fair game."

6/6/2014 11:53:07 PM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


No matter what you call it, without vows being taken, where is the promise of not "cheating"?

6/6/2014 11:55:32 PM Bellaire, TX  
lilod
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,074)
Aurora, IL
49, joined Aug. 2012


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
No matter what you call it, without vows being taken, where is the promise of not "cheating"?


The promise is in the agreement that two people make and the expectations they set. We make commitments to other people every day without vows.

6/6/2014 11:55:50 PM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Engaged people are still single and fair game. No vows have been pronounced.

6/6/2014 11:58:23 PM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


I don't make fidelity-level commitments every day. I make very few, if any, commitments each day.

6/6/2014 11:59:48 PM Bellaire, TX  

lovethelake17
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (33,359)
Henderson, NV
56, joined May. 2009


So, to your mind, unless you've signed that paper, stood up before friends and family, taken his or her hands and said the words "I do", you can take the heart entrusted to you sans paper and verbal commitment before others, lock it in a drawer and see others. Because, after all, your word is nothing unless a paper accompanies it?

While I a firm supporter of marriage and love the extra undefinable something that that particular act creates, I also commit before that happens, and would never trash the trust I've been honored to hold.

I suppose, "technically", it isn't cheating if I haven't vowed not to. But it is cheating because my actions caused harm, pain, hurt, and betrayal. And that means more than whether or not I vowed not to before God and stuff.

6/7/2014 12:01:55 AM Bellaire, TX  

__faithful1__
Fort Lauderdale, FL
47, joined May. 2014


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
Engaged people are still single and fair game. No vows have been pronounced.


actually thats what engagement IS . its a promise to marry someone. no one says

"hey will you marry me and spend the rest of your life with me , but until then we should still have sex with other people "

. i think the simplest answer for the OP is for her to tell the other person that you had sex with someone else . you'll find out real quick if they thought you were cheating !



[Edited 6/7/2014 12:02:47 AM ]

6/7/2014 12:03:21 AM Bellaire, TX  
dan9787
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (11,296)
Laval, QC
51, joined Apr. 2011


hmm, if I'm in a relationship I'm automatically faithful.





6/7/2014 12:04:38 AM Bellaire, TX  
starr_n_love
Over 1,000 Posts (1,570)
Chicago, IL
31, joined Mar. 2014


Quote from get2knowuwell3:
to my basement


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6/7/2014 12:04:41 AM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Quote from __faithful1__:
actually thats what engagement IS . its a promise to marry someone. no one says

"hey will you marry me and spend the rest of your life with me , but until then we should still have sex with other people "

. i think the simplest answer for the OP is for her to tell the other person that you had sex with someone else . you'll find out real quick if they thought you were cheating !


the promise to marry is not being married.

6/7/2014 12:06:17 AM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Quote from dan9787:
hmm, if I'm in a relationship I'm automatically faithful.






I am too.

If two people want to make that commitment, they should get married, not have a relationship that isn't quite marriage.

6/7/2014 12:09:44 AM Bellaire, TX  
dan9787
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (11,296)
Laval, QC
51, joined Apr. 2011


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
I am too.

If two people want to make that commitment, they should get married, not have a relationship that isn't quite marriage.


Why get married? Can't people commit by themselves?

If they're serious, they can.

6/7/2014 12:09:46 AM Bellaire, TX  
metu
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (30,392)
Auburndale, FL
54, joined Apr. 2007


So what's the real deal here, OP? Are you interested in someone who's engaged & using this argument as a justification?

6/7/2014 12:09:48 AM Bellaire, TX  
flowerchild3152
Woodstock, GA
51, joined Jun. 2012


The only person you are cheating is yourself.
Living together, sex while dating and casual encounters are sex for gratification without commitment. I am not talking about a couple who, for any number or reasons, does not legally marry but lives together in a committed relationship, sharing finances and families with plans for the future.

The only thing old-fashioned about sex without commitment is that it has been happening since the dawn of time and will continue on because humans are pretty hung up on self-gratification.

To "cheat" on someone, you would have to have made some kind of commitment and it doesn't sound like any of your associations have to worry about that.

By the way, Jesus loves you and wants to be the love of your life.

6/7/2014 12:10:09 AM Bellaire, TX  

browneyz
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (24,589)
San Diego, CA
96, joined Jan. 2008


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
I am too.

If two people want to make that commitment, they should get married, not have a relationship that isn't quite marriage.



Used to believe in others fidelity if in a relationship. Not so much now!

6/7/2014 12:20:17 AM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Quote from metu:
So what's the real deal here, OP? Are you interested in someone who's engaged & using this argument as a justification?



No. It is a spinoff from another thread.

6/7/2014 12:21:00 AM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Netflix Adultery
Infidelity
Monday, 20 May 2013

Lying never goes out of style. People make promises to their partners and then find new ways to betray them.

The latest twist on this? Promising to watch a TV show with your partner, but then secretly viewing it by yourself - Netflix Adultery. It is estimated that over fifty percent of people betray their partner’s expectations about watching TV shows together. A key quote summarizing the findings:

“Of those who cheated, 66 percent did so "at home by themselves on the main TV." A shocking 21 percent confessed to watching in bed while their significant other slept… Forty-one percent of cheaters refrained from revealing spoilers; 12 percent would rewatch and "fake it" in their reactions; 14 percent felt so guilty they confessed to cheating.”






http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/community-features/blog/172-infidelity.html

6/7/2014 12:22:04 AM Bellaire, TX  
miscbyproduct
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,408)
Isle Of Man
United Kingdom
18, joined Apr. 2012


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but unless you're married, you're single.

How is living together, or dating someone, a commitment to fidelity?



your 55 and really need the value of a promise, trust and loyalty explained to you?
that's a lost cause.



[Edited 6/7/2014 12:23:15 AM ]

6/7/2014 12:23:57 AM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Quote from flowerchild3152:
The only person you are cheating is yourself.
Living together, sex while dating and casual encounters are sex for gratification without commitment. I am not talking about a couple who, for any number or reasons, does not legally marry but lives together in a committed relationship, sharing finances and families with plans for the future.

The only thing old-fashioned about sex without commitment is that it has been happening since the dawn of time and will continue on because humans are pretty hung up on self-gratification.

To "cheat" on someone, you would have to have made some kind of commitment and it doesn't sound like any of your associations have to worry about that.

By the way, Jesus loves you and wants to be the love of your life.



I don't think you know me or any of my "associations" to even comment about me.

It is not a thread about me personally. The topic came to mind from another thread.

6/7/2014 12:44:22 AM Bellaire, TX  
flirty_n_fun67
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,299)
Belleville, ON
47, joined Sep. 2010


So by your logic...if two people are living together or in a relationship for years...they're free to date others then?...Not by my logic..it's called a committed monogomous relationship...whether you're married or not...



[Edited 6/7/2014 12:44:39 AM ]

6/7/2014 2:05:15 AM Bellaire, TX  

grneyesrme
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,671)
Sacramento, CA
47, joined Aug. 2013


I wouldn't say old fashioned as much as J would say maybe lacking morals. When dating & things progress & you are spending time with only this person you have made a commitment to respect each other enough to not date or have sex with others.

6/7/2014 7:56:55 AM Bellaire, TX  

mylegsarecold
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (11,323)
Gainesville, FL
53, joined May. 2011


If one make the commitment to purchase an automobile must they marry the salesperson?

6/7/2014 8:00:08 AM Bellaire, TX  
sdgncalix3
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (43,128)
Las Vegas, NV
42, joined Dec. 2012


Why spend time with someone if you are just going to cheat on them?


Low class.



[Edited 6/7/2014 8:00:17 AM ]

6/7/2014 8:20:55 AM Bellaire, TX  
mr_wgk
Denver, CO
52, joined Mar. 2014


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but unless you're married, you're single.

How is living together, or dating someone, a commitment to fidelity?


It ISNT... that is, it isn't until the two mutually agree that it is.

2. Living together and dating aren't even CLOSE to being the same thing.

3. There ARE people that cohab while not being couple. But ALL SANE PEOPLE know the kind of relationship they have/are working towards and understand what living together means... IF THEY'RE A COUPLE.

4. And now we're back to COMMUNICATION. Before moving in with someone, it's wise to lay it out... let the person know VERBALLY what the move means, what you're giving and what you expect.

5. Literally and legally if you aren't MARRIED, you ARE single. But monogamy is the norm in THIS country (U.S.) whether married or not. Fidelity is normally ASSUMED unless an "alternative lifestyle" is acknowledged. And I believe you know this... but you're just being a DH a**hole with this question. It's cool though. Sometimes being an a** is fun here.

6/7/2014 8:29:37 AM Bellaire, TX  

chris_90352
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,494)
Sykesville, MD
42, joined Sep. 2010


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but unless you're married, you're single.

How is living together, or dating someone, a commitment to fidelity?


Well, there is a spectrum...


- A "relationship" involving chat, e-mail, text, OMG LOL WTF?

- Dating in person and getting to know each other.

- Dating in person, and having sex.

- Open relationship.

- Dating in person, and saying "Look, let's talk serious here: we've known each other a while, and I think we're pretty serious. Let's delete our date site accounts, and date exclusively!" Known as "going steady", for younger folks in an earlier point of history.

- Getting engaged.

- Committed to each other and living together.

- Getting married.


Of course, don't take this as a step-by-step progression of "first you must..." - it's not meant as a step-by-step how-to guide, but rather a rough spectrum of how committed the relationship is; normal relationships do not include all of the above.

Starting at the "dating in person, and having sex" part, is where you start hitting the very edge of a question of "cheating". That's probably when you want to stop and have A Talk - if not, you can't really complain if your date has different ideas about how committed you are to each other than you do.

When you move beyond that into "we both said we're committed to each other" or "we're officially engaged!" territory, into "we're married!", an argument for cheating can legitimately be made.



Internet Dating Sites are full of people who can't see the difference between "we've been sending each other a bunch of texts for a month or so, and might meet up some day", and "we're married!"

6/7/2014 8:30:41 AM Bellaire, TX  
smthgabouther
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,746)
Baltimore, MD
34, joined Dec. 2012


Quote from __faithful1__:


. i think the simplest answer for the OP is for her to tell the other person that you had sex with someone else . you'll find out real quick if they thought you were cheating !
Lmao.

6/7/2014 8:35:36 AM Bellaire, TX  

tyakack
Over 1,000 Posts (1,317)
Euclid, OH
24, joined Nov. 2007
online now!


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but unless you're married, you're single.

How is living together, or dating someone, a commitment to fidelity?


Definitely old fashioned. You don't need a piece of paper to be in a relationship with someone. You just need two people who want to be in a relationship, married or not.

6/7/2014 8:38:13 AM Bellaire, TX  

chris_90352
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,494)
Sykesville, MD
42, joined Sep. 2010


Quote from mr_wgk:
....

4. And now we're back to COMMUNICATION. Before moving in with someone, it's wise to lay it out... let the person know VERBALLY what the move means, what you're giving and what you expect.

5. Literally and legally if you aren't MARRIED, you ARE single. But monogamy is the norm in THIS country (U.S.) whether married or not. Fidelity is normally ASSUMED unless an "alternative lifestyle" is acknowledged. And I believe you know this... but you're just being a DH a**hole with this question. It's cool though. Sometimes being an a** is fun here.


Communication! It can't be emphasized enough

Internet Dating Sites are also full of people who chat LOL WTF OMG all day, for weeks, months, and years, yet never once actually COMMUNICATE with each other, and then wonder why their "boyfriend/girlfriend" turns out to be a profound disappointment.


And yup, there's a very definite point where legally you can definitely make an argument for infidelity, and judges and lawyers are almost guaranteed to draw that line at a different point from where anyone in a troubled relationship might like it to be drawn.

6/7/2014 8:38:18 AM Bellaire, TX  

littlems1020
Over 1,000 Posts (1,934)
Texas City, TX
44, joined May. 2011


Being in a committed relationship is equal to making a promise. Marriage certificate or not.

Don't break promises you've made. Pretty simple really. And your question has zero to do with "Netflix Adultery".

6/7/2014 8:39:09 AM Bellaire, TX  

lionofaman
Morgan Hill, CA
33, joined Nov. 2013


op you are a complete wh*re ..that is all.

6/7/2014 8:44:16 AM Bellaire, TX  

pdforone
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (23,744)
Litchfield, OH
64, joined Jul. 2010


If you make a commitment? Written or verbal? A person is only as good as their word? I seem to remember my high school days and the term going steady? It was a commitment to exclusive dating? It certainly wasn't a marriage contract, just an agreement between principles?

6/7/2014 9:02:25 AM Bellaire, TX  
missmiller1016
Sacramento, CA
62, joined Feb. 2014


I believe that if you live with someone or in a relationship that if u are talking with or seeing someone else that is cheating. Myself if I am seeing someone else I won't cross that line. It is all about trust and honesty. If you don't have those u have nothing.

6/7/2014 9:47:29 AM Bellaire, TX  
reader85037
Phoenix, AZ
40, joined Apr. 2014


People don't use a legal, absolute, universal definition of "cheating."
People in a relationship tend to avoid having people outside of the relationship define their relationship.
People in a relationship consider whatever they want as cheating.
At best there are some common themes to what people actually use to define cheating.
Like actively hiding behavior and motives.

So
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but unless you're married, you're single.
You can define it however you want.
That's your right.
But at best it's only applicable to a person with whom you have a romantic relationship.
Your definitions aren't universal no matter how logical and "right" you think they are.

How is living together, or dating someone, a commitment to fidelity?
By expressed or implied expectations and emotional bonds through consistent communication.

I make very few, if any, commitments each day.
You make commitments pretty much every second of every day.
Each time you make a decision.
Did you decide to get out of bed? You've made a commitment to not fall back asleep.
Did you decide to go to burger king for lunch? You committed to going to burger king and it's more difficult to change your mind to go somewhere else.
Most commitments you make will not be conscious decisions that you constantly actively choose to live up to.

Just because you didn't cry out "I galaxymoonqueen do hereby commit to the following..." to the masses doesn't mean you haven't made a commitment.

If two people want to make that commitment, they should get married, not have a relationship that isn't quite marriage.
Two people can be married without ever having had a wedding.
With the way people actually work they tend to get "married" without realizing it.

At best by you saying "relationship that isn't quite marriage" you are saying the government or society dictates and determines how you feel and gets to define your relationship.
That's scary to me.

6/7/2014 9:52:37 AM Bellaire, TX  
purdibirdi
Kansas City, MO
73, joined Oct. 2011


"galaxymoonqueen" i luv it... i'm so stealing that!!!



[Edited 6/7/2014 9:53:32 AM ]

6/7/2014 9:52:46 AM Bellaire, TX  

lucky_1million
Pewaukee, WI
48, joined Jun. 2013


I think it is a matter of being faithful to your word or the agreements that you make with the people in your life.

It's like cheating on your diet. If you say that you are going to stick to a particular diet and then you go out and have a BIG piece of cake... you are cheating on your diet.


To me...FWB & FB arrangements are the standard in "open" single relationships...no strings attached...anything goes. However, these days people often insist on exclusivity within these arrangements. It is hard to distinguish an exclusive FWB from a monogamous dating relationship these days with the exception that you call one your boyfriend and the other your friend.

Oh well... if it were all that simple.



[Edited 6/7/2014 9:53:33 AM ]

6/7/2014 10:03:48 AM Bellaire, TX  
lake0012009
Lake Waccamaw, NC
47, joined Apr. 2014


Op if u can't commit and be faithful in a relationship four a person could married.the relationship stage is to see if a person can be faithful among other things and aspects.

6/7/2014 2:13:15 PM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Quote from lake0012009:
Op if u can't commit and be faithful in a relationship four a person could married.the relationship stage is to see if a person can be faithful among other things and aspects.


This isn't about me. I know who I am and I don't ask for advice.
It's a discussion topic.

6/7/2014 2:22:56 PM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Disclaimer: I did not run research on this research to check its accuracy.

I find it interesting that those "in relationships" cheat % more than "married".

It appears being married reduces cheating.

The findings, in general, show people don't take "commitment" or "fidelity" seriously.
Moral decay.




http://www.infidelityfacts.com/infidelity-statistics.html



Infidelity Statistics



Below are compiled statistics on infidelity and marriage:

Percentage of marriages that end in divorce in America: 53%

Percentage of "arranged marriages" (where parents pick their sons or daughters spouses) that end in divorce: 3%

Medical field(s) with the highest divorce rate: psychiatrists and marriage counselors

Percentage of marriages where one or both spouses admit to infidelity, either physical or emotional: 41%

Percentage of men who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 57%

Percentage of women who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 54%

Percentage of men and women who admit to having an affair with a co-worker: 36%

Percentage of men and women who admit to infidelity on business trips: 36%

Percentage of men and women who admit to infidelity (emotional or physical) with a brother-in-law or sister-in-law: 17%

Average length of an affair: 2 years

Percentage of marriages that last after an affair has been admitted to or discovered: 31%

Percentage of men who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught: 74%

Percentage of women who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught: 68%

6/7/2014 5:38:45 PM Bellaire, TX  

micheleisgreat
Over 2,000 Posts (3,593)
Pittsburgh, PA
52, joined Nov. 2013


Quote from dan9787:
hmm, if I'm in a relationship I'm automatically faithful.





What he said

6/7/2014 6:04:33 PM Bellaire, TX  

cosmicgem
Over 1,000 Posts (1,901)
Springfield, MO
59, joined Jun. 2011


Addressing the 3% of arranged marraiges that end in divorce. Just a guess here but in cultures and countries where arranged marraiges by parents are still the norm.... Are they not also the same cultures and countries that will murder the woman if she even thinks of tryi g to get a divorce from a husband who has other sex partners????? Or if she has a sex partner other than her cheating spouse???? Just asking here.

6/7/2014 11:22:51 PM Bellaire, TX  

bonitaa_joi
Cleveland, OH
19, joined May. 2014


If you are in a relationship you are not single ... PERIOD ! Cheating is still cheating , married or not

6/8/2014 12:51:50 AM Bellaire, TX  

ooghostoo
Over 2,000 Posts (3,433)
Beverly Hills, CA
96, joined Feb. 2012


Oh sweetie.
Its not cheating!
Its normal to betray people!

I hope you get what you deserve, and what you put out.

Home wrecker.


-Ghost

6/8/2014 1:29:38 AM Bellaire, TX  
tellitlkittis
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,819)
Los Angeles, CA
61, joined Nov. 2012


Quote from galaxymoonqueen:
Engaged people are still single and fair game. No vows have been pronounced.



Just say you wanna/gonna do what you want to and quit f**king playing. So basically you're saying you're game playing selfish a hoe. Is that correct?

6/8/2014 2:20:07 PM Bellaire, TX  
galaxymoonqueen
Bellaire, TX
56, joined May. 2014


Quote from ooghostoo:
Oh sweetie.
Its not cheating!
Its normal to betray people!

I hope you get what you deserve, and what you put out.

Home wrecker.


-Ghost



Quote from tellitlkittis:
Just say you wanna/gonna do what you want to and quit f**king playing. So basically you're saying you're game playing selfish a hoe. Is that correct?



You don't read very well. It's discussion, not a thread about me.


About half the posts on this thread seem to be by vulgar people with anger issues.

No wonder you've been cheated on.

I've neither cheated, nor been cheated on --- I'm a great partner.



galaxymoonqueen - Bellaire, TX