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9/3/2014 1:21:28 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
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9/3/2014 1:21:55 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
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Quote from markjetson:
Maybe so and I'm no mastermind but, Here's what I'd do, Ok team I want a meeting of all you "maintainers, janitors, and explosive experts," to attend a "special" congratulatory raffle, for the best job on the "towers," the "meeting will take place on the 92nd floor of Tower 2 on 9/11 at 8:30 sharp. Don't be late, we will be serving a Champagne Brunch.


Ok so during the two to 5 weeks of prep work. ... cutting support beams 90%, planting hundreds of explosives, miles of primacord, no janitors or maintenance men, no state building inspectors. ... no one stumbled on anything. It's simply not possible.

9/3/2014 1:45:51 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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Quote from giss6:
Ok so during the two to 5 weeks of prep work. ... cutting support beams 90%, planting hundreds of explosives, miles of primacord, no janitors or maintenance men, no state building inspectors. ... no one stumbled on anything. It's simply not possible.



Before the witnesses began dropping like flies, there were reports of entire floors being shut down for renovations, months before the attacks.


There is a long history of false flags, and deliberate attacks on our nation.

Like pearl harbor, how the hell do you sneak an entire fleet across the pacific without gaining any attention?

How does a man fire a rifle, as if it were on automatic, into the president of the united states of America?

How does an entire plane, filled with scientist and engineers, vanish off the face of the earth?

Why are vaccinations killing people?

Why is a chemical known to cause brain damage added to pubic water supplies?

Why are GMOs being forced onto entire populations, while corporations are free to pillage their natural resources and isolate them to baron wastelands?

Why were people walking around in the impact zone of the twin towers before the "collapse," in street cloths, while firefighters were putting out the flames, then unable to set foot on site after the "collapse" without their shoes melting off?

Why are over 3,000 Americans dying from cancer every two days, while the pharmacuitical company pretends there is no cure?


Why have police killed more Americans than the terrorist?


Why are they taking away guns from American citizens, and shipping loads to the Mexican drug cartels?



[Edited 9/3/2014 1:48:35 PM ]

9/3/2014 1:49:39 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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And just when I thought it couldn't get any stupider, the words false flag get linked with pearl harbor..... Holy f**king stupid Batman.

9/3/2014 1:55:36 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

321ignition
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Side step? Diversion? Desperation? Cat got your tounge? No comment?

Let's just criticize and pretend the whole load of sh!t I just dumped on this thread didn't happen.

God bless the USA.

9/3/2014 1:57:12 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

progrocknic
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Load of shit is an entirely accurate description. Diarrhea would have worked as well.

9/3/2014 2:12:00 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

321ignition
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http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/386-ae911truth-delivers-the-evidence-to-the-media-press-conference-national-press-club-wash-dc.html

As a group, we now have more than 1,270 architect and engineer petition signers.  Collectively, we have more than 25,000 years of building and technical experience.


Today, we’re here to inform you that we have uncovered evidence that the official investigations into what happened to the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11 were deeply flawed, or worse.  The scientific forensic facts we have discovered have very troubling implications.

For example, a technologically advanced, highly energetic material has been discovered in World Trade Center dust from the 9/11 catastrophe.

This follows the discovery, by the United States Geological Survey and others, of high concentrations of unusual previously molten iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. These microspheres can only have been formed during the destruction of the World Trade Center at temperatures far higher than can be explained by the jet fuel and office fires. Those fires, we are told by engineers employed by NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, were allegedly the cause of the World Trade Center’s destruction. The discovery of this advanced energetic material, in the form of red/gray chips distributed throughout the dust, both explains the iron-rich microspheres and confirms the inadequacy of the official account of what happened that tragic day.

Even before the microspheres and red/gray chips had been identified and brought to our attention, we were deeply concerned about other aspects of the destruction of these iconic buildings, and how they were investigated. More than two dozen firefighters, engineers, and other witnesses reported seeing substantial quantities of molten iron or steel, flowing like lava in the debris under all three World Trade Center high-rises. Office fires and jet fuel cannot possibly reach the temperatures necessary to liquefy iron or steel.  A mixture called thermite, consisting of pulverized iron oxide and aluminum, CAN generate temperatures above 4000°F -- far more than is needed to melt iron or steel, which melts at about 2750°F.


9/3/2014 2:17:42 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
aposorichie
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Quote from giss6:
Wrong, to pull this off like you nut bags say, it would have requires at least 500 people in on it. From maintainers of the building, to janitors, to explosives experts. ... Washington can't even keep a blow job a secret. Someone on their death bed would have talked. You people are just loons.


I would venture to say that there are many things the U.S. government has done that we are not aware of. You people are the ones that pretend to know everything. Do you know it all?

9/3/2014 2:36:59 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
benelux
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Quote from 321ignition:
Before the witnesses began dropping like flies, there were reports of entire floors being shut down for renovations, months before the attacks.


There is a long history of false flags, and deliberate attacks on our nation.

Like pearl harbor, how the hell do you sneak an entire fleet across the pacific without gaining any attention?

You don't. The fleet didn't drop out of warp. it had to sail thousands of miles to get to the launch point. The fleet had to be amassed. It had to be fueled and it had to be launched en masse. The smoke from the ships was visible from 50+ miles away. There were Australian spies on Honshu that saw the preparations and managed to get word back to Australia.

Of course our Down under allies immediately reported to Washington. Note that all of the carriers were ordered out of Pearl just before the attack was launched? Quite the coincidence isn't it.

Although the Japanese Capital ships were able to make 30 knots, the support ships could only make half of that. That makes about 500 miles per day. That's at least a week at sea before launch. Plenty of time to empty Pearl of the warships, coordinate the defense and have the civilians out of the way.

After the attack the Germans declared war on America. We spent 90% of the war effort in Europe while we only spent 10% on the Pacific theater. This was hardly the first time that a "False flag" attack got us into war.

The Maine was blown up internally. I maintain that William Randolph Hearst paid for the bomb and the crew that detonated it.

The Lusitania was a merchant man of war, It was put on the No Sail" list that the German had put out earlier. The U-boat that sunk the Lusitania also sunk a freighter the size of the Northwestern just before. That freighter took two torpedoes but an 800+' long liner that was built for the Harsh North Atlantic went down with only one hit. The spot that was his had no bill of lading. Either the compartment was full of ordnance or it had a bomb installed is hard to prove but "Nobody's talking".

9/3/2014 3:34:57 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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321

Side step? Diversion? Desperation? Cat got your tounge? No comment?
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Very well said. giss, zeitgeist, and the other hunks of rabble are either hiding under their beds afraid ISIS will get them after hiding for 10 years thinking Bin Laden would get them. How about the phony navy seals killed Bin Laden Id bet the store Bin ladens been dead at least 10 years, but the stooges fell for it like they did the 19 hijacker bullshit.

Problem is: There's millions of sheeple/rabble here in Merica whose sole mission in life is to FOLLOW ORDERS, and wave the ole flag

9/3/2014 5:09:40 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
giss6
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Quote from aposorichie:
I would venture to say that there are many things the U.S. government has done that we are not aware of. You people are the ones that pretend to know everything. Do you know it all?



Pretty much, at least compared to the posters here. I actually was a rocket scientist for Lockheed before Lockheed martin

9/3/2014 5:26:31 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

ericr64
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Quote from zeitgeist2:


Did you or did you not say this to me?

Anyone claiming open fire and shock loads caused a bizzaro delayed reaction and perfect fall have either a very foggy perception of physics or they're in on it. Which are you?



Absolutely and I stand by it. Did we see just the heat affected floors giving way? No, the entire upper building fell in the exact manner as the heat affected lower. Go ahead and tell me the entire building reached the same temperature at all supports.

The video you posted to debunk does more to support truthers than anything. In fact it even states it's a fact that 9-11 was the first time steel framed skyscrapers collapsed due to fire. (because the beams were unprotected) If asbestos isn't protection why coat them with it? Oops, I forgot, when the plane hit it flaked the asbestos off all the steel supports weakening all the steel.

As far as letting them through... They did. They knew it was going to happen and allowed it.

Yea, I know there was an information disconnect. I'll bet the DOD has the means to stay connected to all information of national security. I'd also wager they don't depend on airport radar and workers to keep them informed of aircraft that stray from planned courses.

I don't buy the "ignorant & incompetent" stories. I believe the DOD's information gathering and strategic planning is evolved to a level of sophistication and ability that would blow your mind.

Remember the movie War games from 1983? Pure fiction? Pipe live streaming information into today's super computers complete with all flight plans, every aircraft that is and will be in the air, cross checking thousands of possibilities per second against current status, flagging alerts with suggested courses of action... Possible?
If video game companies can handle massive streams of realtime information, it's a pretty safe bet the DOD has an even fancier x-box and server.

But I'll buy your clumsy, incompetent, incapable scenario and leave it at that.

As far as being in your club? LOL, F**k off douche. I said I remember agreeing with your side of many debates which I do and still will but I guess I didn't realize what a dweeb you were until now.

9/3/2014 5:50:56 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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Eric

I said I remember agreeing with your side of many debates which I do and still will but I guess I didn't realize what a dweeb you were until now.
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What any person thinks about 9-11 truly IMO separates the Patriots from the rabble. Now...............after 13 years, and thankfully the internet where we can get the other side of what happened and who was to gain from it, and how all the strange things that happened are all overlooked and covered up by the MSM.

None of us know exactly what and how everything took place that day.....but we the Patriot open minded people know that elements of the US Govt. and Israels Mossad pulled it off. They DID it. They MADE it happen on purpose.

9/3/2014 6:20:42 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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Quote from 57channels

None of us know what took place that day.....but we know that the US Govt. and Israels Mossad pulled it off.

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like popping balloons with an M-16

9/3/2014 6:30:07 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
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See you in the funny papers hippy!!!



Try not to swallow the electronic duct tape...

9/3/2014 6:49:44 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
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Quote from naprinciple:
How do you propose fighting back, if not by spreading the truth, there by defusing their next false flag?



"when you understand the nature of a thing...you know what it's capable of" - Miyamoto Musashi

You will do what you are capable of doing....pretty much nothing.

9/3/2014 6:55:34 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

fungi34
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I don't see anything debunked here . The lies are still ongoing , and the truth will never be told .

9/3/2014 7:02:41 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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Quote from fungi34:
I don't see anything debunked here . The lies are still ongoing , and the truth will never be told .


Your eyes must have a fungi!

9/3/2014 7:05:12 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
alls_fair
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Quote from fungi34:
I don't see anything debunked here . The lies are still ongoing , and the truth will never be told .


Kind of sad watching adults that you would expect some manner of maturity from repeating fairy tales!!!



9/3/2014 7:20:14 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

fungi34
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Quote from hurryme:
Your eyes must have a fungi!
And you must have shit for brains !

9/4/2014 2:55:39 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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Quote from fungi34:
I don't see anything debunked here . The lies are still ongoing , and the truth will never be told .

,

DON'T BE SO IGNORANT ! - - Don't be so defeated !













Any one that would like to know more about 9/11 and how the 'twin towers' were Architectually built...

Richard Gage, will be on "Coast to Coast radio show", at 10:00 pm PST.
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Founder of Architects and Engineers, Richard Gage on Thursday night, as guest speaker.

topic:

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Date: 09-04-14
Host: George Noory
Guests:Richard Gage

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Website:

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Australian Author Links Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to 9/11


Written by Dalia Mae Lachlan
Sunday, 31 August 2014

Editor's Note: We republish a brilliant little gem that reflects upon Newton's law of universal gravitation—a law that was still in effect on 9/11, judging by the photographic evidence. The article, written by "Down Under" blogger Dalia Mae Lachlan, was originally published in Flipside News. Lachlan, by the way, has also authored a series of children's books, "Awaken Your Kids" — one of which, "The Three Tall Buildings,"
helps youngsters understand what really happened on 9/11 so they can explain it to their parents...... Sometimes that's the way the world wakes up.


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Empirical Observation of 9/11


This is what a building collapse looks like. Even though the pillars of the building have been skillfully severed by explosives – everything of weight is going downwards.

Newton's law of universal gravitation states that any two bodies in the universe attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. This is a general physical law derived from empirical observations and was formulated in Newton’s work Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica ("the Principia"), first published on 5 July 1687.

327 years later society, governments and the mainstream media seem to have a problem with Newton.

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As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

* Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration

* Improbable symmetry of debris distribution

* Extremely rapid onset of destruction

* Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes

* Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally

* Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking

* Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds

* 1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found

* Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front

* Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame

* Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises

* Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples

* Evidence of explosives found in dust samples

The three high-rises exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:


* Slow onset with large visible deformations

* Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)

* Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel

* High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed





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9/4/2014 6:32:52 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
giss6
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Being a scientist, a materials scientist at that, I can tell you that anyone who says this was anything other than what it was is a nut bar.

9/4/2014 6:40:25 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from giss6:
Being a scientist, a materials scientist at that, I can tell you that anyone who says this was anything other than what it was is a nut bar.



Appeal to authority fallacy and ad hominem fallacy. How scientific of you

9/4/2014 6:56:24 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

progrocknic
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I still can't understand how people take Richard Gage seriously. Idiots.

9/4/2014 10:20:33 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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If one refuses to accept the American government is evil, there are plenty of sources that will provide sophistry to explain away every problem with the official story.

My question is why aren't those explanations part of the official story? Why not look at where the evidence takes you and leave the conclusion they feed us out of it.

Ask yourself why the 911 Commission report leaves out so much. Why the NIST model of WTC 7 has been classified? Ever heard of conclusions being reported in journals without presenting the means for peer review? Don't go looking for someone else to explain these issues, ask yourself



[Edited 9/4/2014 10:22:31 AM ]

9/4/2014 11:10:18 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

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Quote from progrocknic:
I still can't understand how people take Richard Gage seriously. Idiots.

Your the idiot... for not understanding steel building engineering !

Richard Gage and 2,250 architects and engineers have found evidence for
"explosive controlled demolition" and are calling for a new investigation.

Live with it !

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9/4/2014 11:14:12 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

progrocknic
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Quote from bluecougareyes:
Your the idiot... for not understanding steel building engineering !

Richard Gage and 2,250 architects and engineers have found evidence for
"explosive controlled demolition" and are calling for a new investigation.

Live with it !


,


No. No they haven't. What he considers experts most people wouldn't. It's a purposeful misrepresentation of who buys into his garbage just so he can say to people who don't bother to look into anything, "look at how many experts agree.". You have been duped, and you continue to show your gullibility.

Richard Gage is a fraud.



[Edited 9/4/2014 11:14:37 AM ]

9/4/2014 11:27:02 AM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
djedix
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Quote from ericr64:
I don't deny 19 hijackers did it. My problem is that Cheney was aware of it as it was transpiring and left the door wide open, plus ordered a stand down.


Cheney also stated that the government NEVER "made the case" that Osama Bin Laden was directly linked to the 9-11 attacks

But don't take MY word for it, hear him for yourself here--->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nX-KQbYXnk

9/4/2014 12:00:38 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
giss6
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Quote from naprinciple:
Appeal to authority fallacy and ad hominem fallacy. How scientific of you



Sorry nitwitprincipal unlike you I read things far more scientific than loinbobbers posts.

9/4/2014 12:02:40 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from 321ignition:
Before the witnesses began dropping like flies, there were reports of entire floors being shut down for renovations, months before the attacks.


There is a long history of false flags, and deliberate attacks on our nation.

Like pearl harbor, how the hell do you sneak an entire fleet across the pacific without gaining any attention?

How does a man fire a rifle, as if it were on automatic, into the president of the united states of America?

How does an entire plane, filled with scientist and engineers, vanish off the face of the earth?

Why are vaccinations killing people?

Why is a chemical known to cause brain damage added to pubic water supplies?

Why are GMOs being forced onto entire populations, while corporations are free to pillage their natural resources and isolate them to baron wastelands?

Why were people walking around in the impact zone of the twin towers before the "collapse," in street cloths, while firefighters were putting out the flames, then unable to set foot on site after the "collapse" without their shoes melting off?

Why are over 3,000 Americans dying from cancer every two days, while the pharmacuitical company pretends there is no cure?


Why have police killed more Americans than the terrorist?


Why are they taking away guns from American citizens, and shipping loads to the Mexican drug cartels?



If only people would ask themselves if, and why, these things are happening, as opposed to looking to others to explain it away. I know how it feels because I used to do the same thing.

9/4/2014 12:03:35 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
giss6
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Quote from naprinciple:
If one refuses to accept the American government is evil, there are plenty of sources that will provide sophistry to explain away every problem with the official story.

My question is why aren't those explanations part of the official story? Why not look at where the evidence takes you and leave the conclusion they feed us out of it.

Ask yourself why the 911 Commission report leaves out so much. Why the NIST model of WTC 7 has been classified? Ever heard of conclusions being reported in journals without presenting the means for peer review? Don't go looking for someone else to explain these issues, ask yourself


Because they, like you, don't know shit. I loved the first excuses you loons came up with "jet a doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel" you pukes didn't even know about how the process of turning tempered steel into mild steel even worked or that it can begin this process at 360 degrees.

9/4/2014 12:09:54 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

ericr64
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Quote from giss6:
you pukes didn't even know about how the process of turning tempered steel into mild steel even worked or that it can begin this process at 360 degrees.


I think you're confusing the numerous claims of seeing molten steel with the need to melt steel in order to weaken it. I don't recall reading where anyone claimed melting steel was necessary to bring the buildings down. It's possible as I don't read everything posted.



[Edited 9/4/2014 12:12:26 PM ]

9/4/2014 12:13:51 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from giss6:
Sorry nitwitprincipal unlike you I read things far more scientific than loinbobbers posts.


That may well be true, but it doesn't mean you're right about a topic, and it's a fallacy to use credentials, real or imagined, instead of an actual argument. It is also an ad hominem fallacy to argue the flaws of one proffering an idea, instead of addressing the actual assertion made.


I would think someone educated enough to hold an advanced degree would be aware of fallacies and that they prey on people's ignorance, in order to manipulate them.

Do you use fallacies out of your own ignorance?

9/4/2014 12:20:34 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

57channels
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trying to explain to giss the world is round is very boring and annoying. He is here to disrupt this thread or any thread about 9-11-- just like the other losers

9/4/2014 12:25:14 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from giss6:
Because they, like you, don't know shit. I loved the first excuses you loons came up with "jet a doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel" you pukes didn't even know about how the process of turning tempered steel into mild steel even worked or that it can begin this process at 360 degrees.


Somehow we are expected to take your word for the strength of steel and its performance under heat. We don't know who you are, what you're qualification are, or what your agenda is, but when nearly 2400 experts, with their credentials, give their expert opinions, backed up by volumes of evidence, they are not to be believed.


Do I have it about right? Your opinion is golden because you say you have credentials. Yet others with proven credentials, mean nothing?

9/4/2014 12:30:05 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from 57channels:
trying to explain to giss the world is round is very boring and annoying. He is here to disrupt this thread or any thread about 9-11-- just like the other losers



I know it I am here to point out the the deceptive practices they use. Everyone should be able to see fallacies, and why they only appeal to our ignorance.

9/4/2014 3:16:22 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
giss6
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Quote from naprinciple:
That may well be true, but it doesn't mean you're right about a topic, and it's a fallacy to use credentials, real or imagined, instead of an actual argument. It is also an ad hominem fallacy to argue the flaws of one proffering an idea, instead of addressing the actual assertion made.


I would think someone educated enough to hold an advanced degree would be aware of fallacies and that they prey on people's ignorance, in order to manipulate them.

Do you use fallacies out of your own ignorance?



Too funny. Amnesia about the hundreds of pays claiming steel couldn't melt at that temp. Google jet a doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel 911 and you will Jane 1000000 his. But let's pretend this wasnt the first claims made by wackos.

Let's go low tech. Let's examine how hundreds of maintainence workers and government building inspectors missed 90% cut beams, miles of primacord, and hundreds of pounds of thermite. Some wackos day "that floor was closed", yes, to the public, not to workers or building inspectors. Not only that but you nut jobs first claimed it would be almost impossible to fly a plane that fat into the building, but yet now you say hiring the correct floor was easy. There's just miles after miles of contradictions. Impossibility, and broken laws of nature in your claims.

But then it has been several years since that and Oddly not one of the at least hundreds of people who were in on this ever slipped and for drunk and mentioned it. No one has made a death bed confession? There were only 2 people in the oral office when Clinton got head. How long did that stay a secret? No one feeling remorse or of HUNDREDS said anything? Come on man.

9/4/2014 3:18:46 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
giss6
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Quote from naprinciple:
Somehow we are expected to take your word for the strength of steel and its performance under heat. We don't know who you are, what you're qualification are, or what your agenda is, but when nearly 2400 experts, with their credentials, give their expert opinions, backed up by volumes of evidence, they are not to be believed.


Do I have it about right? Your opinion is golden because you say you have credentials. Yet others with proven credentials, mean nothing?



Of course not nitwitprincipal, go look up for yourself " temperature steel begins to lose hardness". Isn't it odd that idea never crossed your mind in your blind rush to gobble conspiracy theories?

9/4/2014 3:19:40 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
giss6
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Quote from naprinciple:
I know it I am here to point out the the deceptive practices they use. Everyone should be able to see fallacies, and why they only appeal to our ignorance.



Go ahead nitwitprincipal, look those 2 things up and you will know why the educated laugh at you.

9/4/2014 3:28:43 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

ericr64
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Quote from giss6:
Go ahead nitwitprincipal, look those 2 things up and you will know why the educated laugh at you.


Please post the quote where naprinciple claimed that open fire can't melt or weaken steel please. You are debating against a specific claim that he never made and are doing the superior dance.

9/4/2014 3:29:27 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from naprinciple:

Do I have it about right? Your opinion is golden because you say you have credentials. Yet others with proven credentials, mean nothing?



Quote from giss6:
Of course not nitwitprincipal, go look up for yourself " temperature steel begins to lose hardness". Isn't it odd that idea never crossed your mind in your blind rush to gobble conspiracy theories?



Quote from giss6:
Being a scientist, a materials scientist at that, I can tell you that anyone who says this was anything other than what it was is a nut bar.



hrmm

9/4/2014 3:48:26 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from naprinciple:
I know it I am here to point out the the deceptive practices they use. Everyone should be able to see fallacies, and why they only appeal to our ignorance.


You have already used fallacious arguments in this very thread....

Appeal to authority

Appeal to anonymous authority

Strawman

Argument of dismissal

Argument of future

Poisoning the well

Stolen concept

Statement of conversion

Argument from spurious similarity

Causal reductionism

Appeal to widespread belief

Argument by half truth

Argument by selective observation

Non sequitur

Meaningless question

Argument by prestigious jargon

Equivocation

Weasel wording

Error of fact

Argument from personal astonishment

Appeal to complexity

And that's just the ones I remember...I bet if I went post by post I could find a few more....

Oh yeah...

Argument by repetition (use of the word fallacy)

9/4/2014 3:53:42 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from zeitgeist2:
You have already used fallacious arguments in this very thread....

Appeal to authority

Appeal to anonymous authority

Strawman

Argument of dismissal

Argument of future

Poisoning the well

Stolen concept

Statement of conversion

Argument from spurious similarity

Causal reductionism

Appeal to widespread belief

Argument by half truth

Argument by selective observation

Non sequitur

Meaningless question

Argument by prestigious jargon

Equivocation

Weasel wording

Error of fact

Argument from personal astonishment

Appeal to complexity

And that's just the ones I remember...I bet if I went post by post I could find a few more....

Oh yeah...

Argument by repetition (use of the word fallacy)



Make your case. Quote me and show us which fallacy I used, so I can properly refute it, or happily learn from my errant reasoning

9/4/2014 3:59:32 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from naprinciple:
Make your case. Quote me and show us which fallacy I used, so I can properly refute it, or happily learn from my errant reasoning


"Everyone should be able to see fallacies"

Appeal To Widespread Belief

Use of absolute

9/4/2014 4:27:43 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

k1ngmaker
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Quote from giss6:
Because they, like you, don't know shit. I loved the first excuses you loons came up with "jet a doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel" you pukes didn't even know about how the process of turning tempered steel into mild steel even worked or that it can begin this process at 360 degrees.


Ugh, I hate to agree with Giss about anything, but that's true. Look up "heat treatment" or "annealing"

9/4/2014 4:37:13 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from k1ngmaker:
Ugh, I hate to agree with Giss about anything, but that's true. Look up "heat treatment" or "annealing"


That's ok...it shows you can be intellectually honest.

9/4/2014 5:32:09 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

k1ngmaker
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Quote from zeitgeist2:
That's ok...it shows you can be intellectually honest.


I'm a power engineer, which means I deal with welders all the time, and had to learn a stupid amount of material engineering that I'll never use at my work place. It always drove me bonkers that these truthers were always going on about melting steel.

9/4/2014 5:34:39 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

progrocknic
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Quote from k1ngmaker:
I'm a power engineer, which means I deal with welders all the time, and had to learn a stupid amount of material engineering that I'll never use at my work place. It always drove me bonkers that these truthers were always going on about melting steel.


It's because they are borderline insane. They want to believe so badly that a conspiracy is true, that they overlook basically all the facts of what happened that day. And then of course there's the very special idiots who listen to guys like Richard Gage...... Those people also have the unfortunate trait of being far to lazy to look into the propoganda they are being fed. Oh well.



[Edited 9/4/2014 5:35:07 PM ]

9/4/2014 5:45:46 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from k1ngmaker:
I'm a power engineer, which means I deal with welders all the time, and had to learn a stupid amount of material engineering that I'll never use at my work place. It always drove me bonkers that these truthers were always going on about melting steel.


I'm a master electrician...I have used thermite hundreds of times to weld ground rods to ground wire, and grounding systems to building steel.....

I knew they were full of crap the first time I head that doozy....thermite is not an explosive.....it's an exothermic welding agent.

Without a proper mold....it's runs like water...it cant cut anything horizontally....and only puddles into slag when it runs out of the mold...it doesn't stay hot enough, long enough, to "cut" anything...

The largest manufacturer sells it under the trade name CADWELD.

They often show pics of steel on trucks with edges clearly cut by a torch....then claim it's proof of "termite explosives"....

No ,it's proof that they had to cut up tons of steel in order to remove it from the site.

9/4/2014 5:57:42 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

ericr64
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What's the molten metal pouring out of the side of the building and flowing out of debris below?

9/4/2014 6:02:49 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

progrocknic
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Quote from ericr64:
What's the molten metal pouring out of the side of the building and flowing out of debris below?


"The flow is not steel because the structural steel would fail well below the melting temperature. The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color."

9/4/2014 6:08:11 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from zeitgeist2:
"Everyone should be able to see fallacies"

Appeal To Widespread Belief

Use of absolute


I am trying hard to help everyone, but they don't see it.

An appeal to popularity would be if I said you must believe it because everyone else does.


I'm proud of you for trying. Use the Internet to better understand the fallacy you're trying to prove.

9/4/2014 7:25:48 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from naprinciple:
I am trying hard to help everyone, but they don't see it.


Argument by Heroism



An appeal to popularity would be if I said you must believe it because everyone else does.


There is a difference between that and what I posted...nice try though

Bait and switch


I'm proud of you for trying. Use the Internet to better understand the fallacy you're trying to prove.


Argument by condescension

Argument by repetition

9/4/2014 7:36:40 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Of the five fallacies you've listed so far none are among the 42 recognized fallacies.

If you want to be taken seriously, please learn them

Please give me the definitions you're working with, or better yet, look up the proper name

9/4/2014 7:39:45 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
alls_fair
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Give 'em hell Mr. Principle!!!



9/4/2014 7:42:17 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from alls_fair:
Give 'em hell Mr. Principle!!!



I want them to be competent with fallacies, so when they do it, we'll all know they do it on purpose

9/4/2014 7:44:02 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

321ignition
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9/11 Thermite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscTVnEcPMk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

9/4/2014 7:47:06 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

fungi34
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Instead of throwing away all the evidence from the biggest crime scene in American history , we should done a better job at stopping this . And actually looking at the steel beams and other evidence that was clearly discarded . Getting rid of the evidence before anyone realized it was being destroyed was brilliant on their part . No evidence No proof . While we were all scratching our heads trying to figure out how this happened , the government was already making war plans .

9/4/2014 7:50:38 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from naprinciple:

Of the five fallacies you've listed so far none are among the 42 recognized fallacies.

If you want to be taken seriously, please learn them

Please give me the definitions you're working with, or better yet, look up the proper name


I listed quite a few in the other post too...

You claim to be smart...you find them.....or is your google broken now?

9/4/2014 8:06:47 PM Debunking the 9/11 truther retards...  

naprinciple
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Quote from zeitgeist:
Quote from naprinciple:

Of the five fallacies you've listed so far none are among the 42 recognized fallacies.

If you want to be taken seriously, please learn them

Please give me the definitions you're working with, or better yet, look up the proper name


I listed quite a few in the other post too...

You claim to be smart...you find them.....or is your google broken now?



************************************************


I can't prove a negative. You're accusing me of those fallacies. Prove your assertion Burden of proof fallacy(actual name, not one I made up)

Description of Burden of Proof

Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance. This sort of reasoning typically has the following form:

Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B.
Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X.

In many situations, one side has the burden of proof resting on it. This side is obligated to provide evidence for its position. The claim of the other side, the one that does not bear the burden of proof, is assumed to be true unless proven otherwise. The difficulty in such cases is determining which side, if any, the burden of proof rests on. In many cases, settling this issue can be a matter of significant debate. In some cases the burden of proof is set by the situation. For example, in American law a person is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty (hence the burden of proof is on the prosecution). As another example, in debate the burden of proof is placed on the affirmative team. As a final example, in most cases the burden of proof rests on those who claim something exists (such as Bigfoot, psychic powers, universals, and sense data).