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7/4/2015 2:11:50 PM Prepping & off grid living  
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7/7/2015 10:22:20 AM Prepping & off grid living  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,851)
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009


off grid on an internet dating site???

7/8/2015 12:57:57 PM Prepping & off grid living  

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Over 4,000 Posts! (5,528)
Waldron, AR
70, joined Jul. 2014
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Off grid next to wi-fi hot spot




7/21/2015 5:48:41 PM Prepping & off grid living  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


"Living off the Grid"? Yep. Gonna have to if you want to live at all. When government debt reaches 124% of GDP everyone will be living "off the grid" whether they want to or not.

Currently the government spends nearly 106% of GDP just to operate itself and pay for all the promises it makes. In terms of tax revenue nearly 50% of income tax filers pay nothing in because they get back more than was withheld on the wages they earned. The government cannot collect enough money to operate itself. It is printing 46 cents of every dollar it spends out of thin air. That is why it must print $400-600 billion a month just to make ends meet.

Much of the financial slight of hand that prevents economic collapse is hidden in banks and new regulations. Banks only need hold 10% of their assets in cash. That might normally be OK but it isn't because of another change in banking rules during this government directed "recovery" that isn't. It is how banks measure their assets.

A bank can lend one person $10,000 and rather than carry it as debt they can treat it as an asset. Under current rules when they lend that $10K to someone they can then lend $9,100 of that new "asset" to someone else holding 10% of the promise to pay a loan in cash. Then they lend the $9,100 to someone else and create another $8,190 loan to someone else. They can turn a $10,000 loan that isn't paid into over $300,000 in new assets. They can invest the money you promised to pay when you took out the loan even before you actually do pay it back. Your promise is to pay is golden regardless of whether you do or not. Crazy huh? But that's how it works.

The problem with generating wealth this way is that unlike an economy based on producing things of value and the creation of tangible wealth; a debt based economy is not sustainable. It will fail, always has, and always will (hello Greece with Italy, Spain, and the good old USA to follow).

All of these things that government is paying for including Medicaid, other safety net programs, and Obamacare are not funded by anything but increasing debt and borrowing what we don't have. You cannot sustain an economy by creating ever more debt borrowing against the future. It simply doesn't work, at least for long. So here we are at 106% of GDP and will hit 124% in about 2 years. The banks will close and as we saw in Greece the money that only exists on paper magically disappears.

Similarly to 1928 any money you have in the bank and not in your wallet or under your mattress will simply cease to exist overnight and without warning. You will wake up to an empty checking and savings account, your investments backed by paper including the bonds and stock market will fundamentally no longer exist. What you don't have in your physical possession will simply disappear.

Without money the stores get empty and don't refill, trucks stop moving, refineries close, companies that make food shut the doors, the electricity stops, water stops flowing, people have no where to work and employers have no way to pay them if they did. Government won't be able to even keep their own lights on. If you think people get violent fighting over deals on Black Friday, wait until they start fighting over food. Bodies will pile up faster than people will be able to get rid of them. Yep, whether you like it or not the few that manage to survive that level of chaos will definitely be off the grid.

7/22/2015 7:19:55 AM Prepping & off grid living  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,851)
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009


Quote from 58dpilot:
"Living off the Grid"? Yep. Gonna have to if you want to live at all. When government debt reaches 124% of GDP everyone will be living "off the grid" whether they want to or not.

Currently the government spends nearly 106% of GDP just to operate itself and pay for all the promises it makes. In terms of tax revenue nearly 50% of income tax filers pay nothing in because they get back more than was withheld on the wages they earned. The government cannot collect enough money to operate itself. It is printing 46 cents of every dollar it spends out of thin air. That is why it must print $400-600 billion a month just to make ends meet.

Much of the financial slight of hand that prevents economic collapse is hidden in banks and new regulations. Banks only need hold 10% of their assets in cash. That might normally be OK but it isn't because of another change in banking rules during this government directed "recovery" that isn't. It is how banks measure their assets.

A bank can lend one person $10,000 and rather than carry it as debt they can treat it as an asset. Under current rules when they lend that $10K to someone they can then lend $9,100 of that new "asset" to someone else holding 10% of the promise to pay a loan in cash. Then they lend the $9,100 to someone else and create another $8,190 loan to someone else. They can turn a $10,000 loan that isn't paid into over $300,000 in new assets. They can invest the money you promised to pay when you took out the loan even before you actually do pay it back. Your promise is to pay is golden regardless of whether you do or not. Crazy huh? But that's how it works.

The problem with generating wealth this way is that unlike an economy based on producing things of value and the creation of tangible wealth; a debt based economy is not sustainable. It will fail, always has, and always will (hello Greece with Italy, Spain, and the good old USA to follow).

All of these things that government is paying for including Medicaid, other safety net programs, and Obamacare are not funded by anything but increasing debt and borrowing what we don't have. You cannot sustain an economy by creating ever more debt borrowing against the future. It simply doesn't work, at least for long. So here we are at 106% of GDP and will hit 124% in about 2 years. The banks will close and as we saw in Greece the money that only exists on paper magically disappears.

Similarly to 1928 any money you have in the bank and not in your wallet or under your mattress will simply cease to exist overnight and without warning. You will wake up to an empty checking and savings account, your investments backed by paper including the bonds and stock market will fundamentally no longer exist. What you don't have in your physical possession will simply disappear.

Without money the stores get empty and don't refill, trucks stop moving, refineries close, companies that make food shut the doors, the electricity stops, water stops flowing, people have no where to work and employers have no way to pay them if they did. Government won't be able to even keep their own lights on. If you think people get violent fighting over deals on Black Friday, wait until they start fighting over food. Bodies will pile up faster than people will be able to get rid of them. Yep, whether you like it or not the few that manage to survive that level of chaos will definitely be off the grid.


no that isn't how it works. debt can never be treated as an asset. when you borrow the 10k it becomes debt. when you loan ninety one hundred the loan becomes an asset as does the remaining cash but the entire 10k remains a liability. assets then are balanced against debt to determine net worth. were this the entire financial state of the individual his net worth would have started at zero and remains at zero.

7/28/2015 9:41:03 AM Prepping & off grid living  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Of course it doesn't work, but that is what they are doing. Thomas Sowell explained it eloquently and agreed. Can they do it? Yes. Does it work? No, but they can get away with it for a while.

7/30/2015 9:44:37 PM Prepping & off grid living  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,851)
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009


Quote from 58dpilot:
Of course it doesn't work, but that is what they are doing. Thomas Sowell explained it eloquently and agreed. Can they do it? Yes. Does it work? No, but they can get away with it for a while.



you missed my point entirely. it's not that the scheme doesn't work. it's your accounting principles as regards debt that's the problem. debt is always debt. that you might go into debt for $10000 to acquire an asset, the $9100 loan, does not change the fact that the ten grand remains a debt, liability, against which you must balance the asset, the $9100 loan, asset, in order to calculate your net worth which assuming this is the complete financial picture is negative nine hundred dollars. you don't have the $9100 to loan to someone else until the first loan principle has been paid back to you.

accounting is really quite simple and if thomas sowell uses the same flawed accounting principles as you then follow his absurd scenario at the peril of never understanding accounting. to create a balance sheet, assets must equal liabilities added to net worth. in this case assets equal $9100, liabilities equal $10,000, net worth is minus $900 so assets and liabilities combined also equal $9100. the sheet balances. again, if this is your entire financial status, with a negative net worth, where will you get the money to loan $8100 dollars to someone else?

8/2/2015 1:16:16 AM Prepping & off grid living  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)

8/4/2015 6:07:03 PM Prepping & off grid living  
karrpilot
Over 1,000 Posts (1,926)
Oswego, IL
53, joined Jul. 2009


Going to Wyoming is living off the grid. Certain areas my cell phone doesn't work, and in an emergency, good luck with that.

Yes, I do like to visit. Live there? I am too fond of my easy living.

8/7/2015 10:42:44 AM Prepping & off grid living  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,851)
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009


Quote from 58dpilot:
I don't care about your point. It is an idiot point. So what?


point made then.

8/12/2015 4:19:33 PM Prepping & off grid living  

ninjazx9r
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,319)
Largo, FL
47, joined Apr. 2010


A Debt based economic system is based on 100% payback and has to have in order to work.
A commodity based economic system has tangible assets to fall back on which give the piece of paper in your wallet worth.

If you go to a bank and ask to trade your $100 bill for anything other then more paper money they will deny your request.
Why?
Because the paper money they hand out is backed by nothing more then more paper.

8/13/2015 10:22:20 AM Prepping & off grid living  

ninjazx9r
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,319)
Largo, FL
47, joined Apr. 2010


What is your idea of prepping for off grid living? Just curious about peoples idea of prepping for off grid living.

8/16/2015 8:59:34 AM Prepping & off grid living  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


In a severe collapse living "off grid" is only important because the only way to survive is to get away from the chaos and hide until it's over. You have to become "invisible" with enough supplies including food and medicines, etc., to last about a year until things settle down and it might be safe to come out. Because 90% of the population will perish it is important to get away and not join them.

8/16/2015 2:13:06 PM Prepping & off grid living  
karrpilot
Over 1,000 Posts (1,926)
Oswego, IL
53, joined Jul. 2009


I have thought of just running towards the mushroom cloud when the times comes. Remember, the grim reaper is going to get us sooner or later.

My mother recently asked me if I had bought a 2016 calendar. I told her no. If a bus flattens me tomorrow, I have just wasted my money on something I never got to use.

8/20/2015 9:34:06 PM Prepping & off grid living  

ninjazx9r
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,319)
Largo, FL
47, joined Apr. 2010


Quote from karrpilot:
I have thought of just running towards the mushroom cloud when the times comes. Remember, the grim reaper is going to get us sooner or later.

My mother recently asked me if I had bought a 2016 calendar. I told her no. If a bus flattens me tomorrow, I have just wasted my money on something I never got to use.


Thats the logic I live by also.

The prepping is no good if it's a nuclear strike even remotely close.

Financial collapse is a whole other ball game.

9/2/2015 11:04:31 PM Prepping & off grid living  

alby11
Ninilchik, AK
67, joined Mar. 2014


Test

9/2/2015 11:11:24 PM Prepping & off grid living  

alby11
Ninilchik, AK
67, joined Mar. 2014


OK test posted....I am registered Independent, but my ALBYAK profile was blocked from posting

OT: In a total financial collapse Guns and ammo will be the new GOLD





10/2/2015 8:27:19 PM Prepping & off grid living  
jakebearr
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (32,230)
Simi Valley, CA
52, joined Sep. 2013




2/14/2016 4:34:27 PM Prepping & off grid living  
youtubejunkie
Medford, OR
60, joined Dec. 2013


Quote from jrbogie1949:
no that isn't how it works. debt can never be treated as an asset. when you borrow the 10k it becomes debt. when you loan ninety one hundred the loan becomes an asset as does the remaining cash but the entire 10k remains a liability. assets then are balanced against debt to determine net worth. were this the entire financial state of the individual his net worth would have started at zero and remains at zero.


Look into fractional reserve. Banks can loan money they dont have.

5/12/2016 8:25:45 AM Prepping & off grid living  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (252,270)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


Another homeless person?

6/20/2016 8:59:14 AM Prepping & off grid living  
rozi878
Catawissa, MO
36, joined Dec. 2015


^Delete this profile immediately. You have been parked here too long.

6/20/2016 12:43:31 PM Prepping & off grid living  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (252,270)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


Go buy a parrot and teach it to tell you to STFU!

6/30/2016 10:53:08 PM Prepping & off grid living  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (252,270)
Assumption, IL
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7/17/2016 7:51:56 AM Prepping & off grid living  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (252,270)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


First things first, where is the land located?

8/9/2016 9:41:05 PM Prepping & off grid living  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Poor woman, you have no life but a keyboard. You are boring. Very boring. You should get a life or are they going to bury you with a laptop so if you aren't dead yet you can send someone an email? Guess what? They will delete it.

8/19/2016 8:50:23 AM Prepping & off grid living  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,851)
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009


Quote from youtubejunkie:
Look into fractional reserve. Banks can loan money they dont have.


what does fractional reserve have to do with assets vs liability??? when a bank makes a loan to a customer, from whatever source, the customer's new debt becomes a liability.