Longing Transforms Obedience

10/24/2015 2:46:53 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Do we sometimes negatively react against the word "obey"? In scripture, the word "obey"--or some variant of it--appears 138 times. But here is something interesting. We are to "obey" the Gospel (good news) of salvation. {Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8,1 Peter 4:17) But what does the word "obey" mean in these 3 New Testament verses? It means: To hear, to listen, to allow one's self to be persuaded. With that in mind, maybe we can now better understand how Jesus could say: "He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life." (John 5:24) And as our desire for Glory increases day after day, we can also better understand what C.S. Lewis is saying here, about longing transforming obedience... "Poetry replaces grammar, gospel replaces law, longing transforms obedience, as gradually as the tide lifts a grounded ship." -- C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
10/25/2015 7:51:41 AM	Longing Transforms Obedience
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 62, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Do we sometimes negatively react against the word "obey"? In scripture, the word "obey"--or some variant of it--appears 138 times. But here is something interesting. We are to "obey" the Gospel (good news) of salvation. {Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8,1 Peter 4:17) But what does the word "obey" mean in these 3 New Testament verses? It means: To hear, to listen, to allow one's self to be persuaded. With that in mind, maybe we can now better understand how Jesus could say: "He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life." (John 5:24) And as our desire for Glory increases day after day, we can also better understand what C.S. Lewis is saying here, about longing transforming obedience... "Poetry replaces grammar, gospel replaces law, longing transforms obedience, as gradually as the tide lifts a grounded ship." -- C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory I like this. Nope, love it . Nailed this one Walt.
10/25/2015 8:49:49 AM	Longing Transforms Obedience
Stillherehaha AnchorenaQueensland Australia 69, joined Jun. 2015	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Do we sometimes negatively react against the word "obey"? In scripture, the word "obey"--or some variant of it--appears 138 times. But here is something interesting. We are to "obey" the Gospel (good news) of salvation. {Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8,1 Peter 4:17) But what does the word "obey" mean in these 3 New Testament verses? It means: To hear, to listen, to allow one's self to be persuaded. With that in mind, maybe we can now better understand how Jesus could say: "He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life." (John 5:24) And as our desire for Glory increases day after day, we can also better understand what C.S. Lewis is saying here, about longing transforming obedience... "Poetry replaces grammar, gospel replaces law, longing transforms obedience, as gradually as the tide lifts a grounded ship." -- C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory Walt in my opinion Jesus essence is compassion Oh yeah I am working on it When I see the lawyers trying to take the place of Jesus I want to do a boxing kangaroo-- hahahahahahaahaha Like Jesus let me at em" It's like the lyric of a song Hold tight --get your love right and man that takes obedience to keep loving in the face of drudgery users abusers those who love power and law--- and it is so hard to restrain myself Learning self control may take me forever! Will I ever grow up in Jesus (be like him)? Jesus increasing me decreasing--- Please Jesus Let me at em' I want to knock their blocks off---hahahahahahahahahahahahahaa No old woman that would only get you blocked hahahahahahahaaa A mild answer turns away wrath--the bible says from memory so very difficult This Love for Jesus runs deep Maybe I am a girl Peter who would cut off ears---hahahahahahaa Oh Jesus help me hang in there so I am trying
10/25/2015 12:20:34 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: I like this. Nope, love it . Nailed this one Walt. Thanks. The topic had been on my mind for quite some time, but wasn't sure how to present it. After I began to write, it took shape.
10/25/2015 10:53:49 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 62, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Thanks. The topic had been on my mind for quite some time, but wasn't sure how to present it. After I began to write, it took shape. I have thought about it in a round about way. It is hard to get others to understand that as you grow in Christ, it is not keeping the letter of the law because it is a law, that is important. Rather it is the intent in your heart. I have used marriage as an example before. Do you want your mate to be faith full because of a vow, or because they love you and only want you? I think you were able to describe that concept in a very straight forward way, nicely done.
10/25/2015 11:07:30 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
Stillherehaha AnchorenaQueensland Australia 69, joined Jun. 2015	Quote from isna_la_wica: I have thought about it in a round about way. It is hard to get others to understand that as you grow in Christ, it is not keeping the letter of the law because it is a law, that is important. Rather it is the intent in your heart. I have used marriage as an example before. Do you want your mate to be faith full because of a vow, or because they love you and only want you? I think you were able to describe that concept in a very straight forward way, nicely done.
10/26/2015 8:56:44 AM	Longing Transforms Obedience
josiemae District Heights, MD 59, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: It is hard to get others to understand that as you grow in Christ, it is not keeping the letter of the law because it is a law, that is important. Rather it is the intent in your heart. I have used marriage as an example before. Do you want your mate to be faith full because of a vow, or because they love you and only want you? . Agree, although what is written in black and white makes a covenant, the transformation of the heart makes the difference. [Edited 10/26/2015 8:57:55 AM ]
10/26/2015 2:03:54 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 60, joined Dec. 2012	I don't mean to put a damper on this thread Walt just pose a thought, but if i do I apologize ahead of time. My only concern about C.S. Lewis what little I know about him, it seems he teaches people that being a 'good' christian is all about 'just' the relationship between a person and God, but we know by the parable of the talents and James' words in James 2:18: "But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith by my works." There is far more to being a Believer than 'just' faith.
10/26/2015 2:14:35 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
Stillherehaha AnchorenaQueensland Australia 69, joined Jun. 2015	Quote from share_n_love: I don't mean to put a damper on this thread Walt just pose a thought, but if i do I apologize ahead of time. My only concern about C.S. Lewis what little I know about him, it seems he teaches people that being a 'good' christian is all about 'just' the relationship between a person and God, but we know by the parable of the talents and James' words in James 2:18: "But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith by my works." There is far more to being a Believer than 'just' faith. In my opinion shar nlove It's about why I do what I do and I know G-d knows sometimes I am Not sure And Think Old Woman u must be crazy to be here on DH so long Die-hard hahahahahahahahahahaahha
10/26/2015 4:02:41 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
josiemae District Heights, MD 59, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Do we sometimes negatively react against the word "obey"? In scripture, the word "obey"--or some variant of it--appears 138 times. But here is something interesting. We are to "obey" the Gospel (good news) of salvation. {Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8,1 Peter 4:17) But what does the word "obey" mean in these 3 New Testament verses? It means: To hear, to listen, to allow one's self to be persuaded. With that in mind, maybe we can now better understand how Jesus could say: "He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life." (John 5:24) And as our desire for Glory increases day after day, we can also better understand what C.S. Lewis is saying here, about longing transforming obedience... "Poetry replaces grammar, gospel replaces law, longing transforms obedience, as gradually as the tide lifts a grounded ship." -- C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory When we can let go of ego, self, the "I" the "Me" the "Mine" and be able to extend love to reach the hearts of those who are hurting and get rid of pompous attitude and behavior, and be Christlike by doing the Father's will, then obedience will take its place and we will understand, "it is not all about me". If we don't obey the will of God, then we are disobedient to Him and become self-centered.
10/26/2015 7:54:06 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 62, joined Mar. 2012	Noticed another poster that was quoted, possibly nt being familiar with the work of CS Lewis. Not fair to mention the name as I think I have them blocked. But do not want people to get the wrong idea bout him, so here are a couple of his quotes. “Imagine yourself as a living house. God comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps, you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on; you knew that those jobs needed doing and so you are not surprised. But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make any sense. What on earth is He up to? The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of - throwing out a new wing here, putting on an extra floor there, running up towers, making courtyards. You thought you were being made into a decent little cottage: but He is building a palace. He intends to come and live in it Himself.” ? C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity “[To have Faith in Christ] means, of course, trying to do all that He says. There would be no sense in saying you trusted a person if you would not take his advice. Thus if you have really handed yourself over to Him, it must follow that you are trying to obey Him. But trying in a new way, a less worried way. Not doing these things in order to be saved, but because He has begun to save you already. Not hoping to get to Heaven as a reward for your actions, but inevitably wanting to act in a certain way because a first faint gleam of Heaven is already inside you.” ? C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity Obviously CS Lewis taught, a growing relationship in the Lord.
10/26/2015 9:08:36 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
wsprs0nthewind Powell, TN 51, joined Mar. 2009	Walt, are you serious? I think I wrote the book on dis-obey-ing. Not b/c I want to but b/c I'm human.
10/26/2015 10:18:26 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from wsprs0nthewind: Walt, are you serious? I think I wrote the book on dis-obey-ing. Not b/c I want to but b/c I'm human. You're not alone, you know. C.S Lewis wrote: "The Son of God became the son of man, so that the sons of men, could become the sons of God." Somehow, in ways we can't quite grasp, this adoption by God, ensures that our fledgling failings do not matter.
10/28/2015 3:49:52 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from share_n_love: I don't mean to put a damper on this thread Walt just pose a thought, but if i do I apologize ahead of time. My only concern about C.S. Lewis what little I know about him, it seems he teaches people that being a 'good' christian is all about 'just' the relationship between a person and God, but we know by the parable of the talents and James' words in James 2:18: "But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith by my works." There is far more to being a Believer than 'just' faith. It's interesting that just a couple pages after your post, Melody, Rich shared a couple of Lewis's thoughts on the very issue you raised. And I think what he writes here also ties in beautifully with the thread topic/ title, Longing Transforms Obedience What do you think about this?..... “[To have Faith in Christ] means, of course, trying to do all that He says. There would be no sense in saying you trusted a person if you would not take his advice. Thus if you have really handed yourself over to Him, it must follow that you are trying to obey Him. But trying in a new way, a less worried way. Not doing these things in order to be saved, but because He has begun to save you already. Not hoping to get to Heaven as a reward for your actions, but inevitably wanting to act in a certain way because a first faint gleam of Heaven is already inside you.” ~C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
10/28/2015 4:37:16 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 60, joined Dec. 2012	Perfectly said...thank you for posting these additional sentences [I can't see Dun's postings unless someone quotes them]. This also explains nicely why we honor God's Laws minus the sacrificial elements.
10/28/2015 5:35:48 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
Stillherehaha AnchorenaQueensland Australia 69, joined Jun. 2015	Quote from share_n_love: Perfectly said...thank you for posting these additional sentences [I can't see Dun's postings unless someone quotes them]. This also explains nicely why we honor God's Laws minus the sacrificial elements. When we grow up in Jesus Why would we need law to control us--? Why would we harm? The hard part in my opinion are the growing pains Desperately trying to follow our Lord Jesus We are in my opinion spiritual babies---- we get wobbly --fall down a lot trying to walk and talk straight Like Our Lord and Master Jesus
10/28/2015 9:08:29 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: I have used marriage as an example before. Do you want your mate to be faith full because of a vow, or because they love you and only want you? Excellent example/ illustration Quote from isna_la_wica: I think you were able to describe that concept in a very straight forward way, nicely done. It was my two minute sermon. Here, I will re-post the original post.... _____________________________________________________________________ Do we sometimes negatively react against the word "obey"? In scripture, the word "obey"--or some variant of it--appears 138 times. But here is something interesting. We are to "obey" the Gospel (good news) of salvation. {Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8,1 Peter 4:17) But what does the word "obey" mean in these 3 New Testament verses? It means: To hear, to listen, to allow one's self to be persuaded. With that in mind, maybe we can now better understand how Jesus could say: "He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life." (John 5:24) And as our desire for Glory increases day after day, we can also better understand what C.S. Lewis is saying here, about longing transforming obedience... "Poetry replaces grammar, gospel replaces law, longing transforms obedience, as gradually as the tide lifts a grounded ship." -- C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory
10/30/2015 9:35:24 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 62, joined Mar. 2012	Little off topic, hope you do not mind. But longing also allows one to forgive them selves. Its a great guilt/ anger killer. Its a door, to examine ones soul, and be honest not only about what you have done and are, but also to have Christ reach you. He stands at the door and knocks, and it is through "longing", that we decide we are ready and answer.
10/31/2015 12:41:46 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: Little off topic, hope you do not mind. But longing also allows one to forgive them selves. Its a great guilt/ anger killer. Its a door, to examine ones soul, and be honest not only about what you have done and are, but also to have Christ reach you. He stands at the door and knocks, and it is through "longing", that we decide we are ready and answer. That's not off topic at all, Rich, but right on target, I feel. Well worded. Thank you. I had a kind of "door" in a deep soaking in this worlds sadness when I served a one year chaplain residency at a level II trauma hospital. I say it was a soaking because near the years end I felt like I was beginning to emotionally drown. Then God blew me back down here to this tiny spot in the desert to think about all that I had seen and heard. Still reflecting on all of it. Here's a short example: It rains a lot, and very frequent up where I was, in the Seattle, WA area. One morning I went up to the unit I was assigned to and from the nurse's station, out of the corner of my eye, I saw the blood red feet of a man sitting beside his hospital bed. Something told me I should not ignore this so I knocked lightly on the open door and asked if I might come in. This fellow, not that old, had all kinds of things going wrong, including some very, very bad diabetes,... and with that, likely a heart condition, and who knows what else. So, I thought he might like a listening ear, so I pulled up a chair near him. The most powerful thing I remember him saying was that he did not want to be hospitalized long, or spend his last days in hospice. He summed it up so well when he said "I just want to go out into the woods, under a piece of cardboard." Longing for a better World here, and to meet that man there. I think anyone who is made so vulnerable and transparent through suffering is not far from the Kingdom.
10/31/2015 2:15:42 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
josiemae District Heights, MD 59, joined Jan. 2008	Psalms 139:5 “Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.” King James Version (KJV) We sometimes are brought to a position where we must realize that we need the touch of Christ to understand that we are not alone and we cannot go any further without that touch from Christ. This allows us to ponder with our hearts, take a deep breath and acknowledge and allow God to take full charge and control and do His will in our life.
10/31/2015 9:05:02 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from josiemae: ...we cannot go any further without that touch from Christ. This allows us to ponder with our hearts, take a deep breath and acknowledge and allow God to take full charge and control and do His will in our life. I think whether we allow Him to take full charge and control, or not, He does with us as he pleases,... which in the end, is for our good.
10/31/2015 11:06:07 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
josiemae District Heights, MD 59, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from walt_oftheearth: I think whether we allow Him to take full charge and control, or not, He does with us as he pleases,... which in the end, is for our good. Agree - could you imagine the total wreck/mess we would make of ourselves if God never intervene?
11/1/2015 8:38:48 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from josiemae: Agree - could you imagine the total wreck/mess we would make of ourselves if God never intervene? As I've gone around the block a few times, yes, I am finally realizing that God is saving me from myself.
11/6/2015 8:17:05 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	"Enjoyment creeps in upon the mere drudgery, and nobody could point to a day or an hour when the one ceased, and the other began. C.S Lewis
11/6/2015 8:20:22 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 62, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from walt_oftheearth: "Enjoyment creeps in upon the mere drudgery, and nobody could point to a day or an hour when the one ceased, and the other began. C.S Lewis I thought that was getting old. Funny, how a morning coffee and nightly Tea, are such a treat when one ages, eh? I must remember this one.
11/6/2015 8:38:04 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: I thought that was getting old. Funny, how a morning coffee and nightly Tea, are such a treat when one ages, eh? I must remember this one. That's why even when days are hard, we must keep on, and do what we can. It isn't going to be like this forever.
11/7/2015 7:41:09 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Psalm 40:6-8 (The Message) ..... "Being religious, acting pious— that’s not what you’re asking for. You’ve opened my ears so I can listen. So I answered, “I want to be there." I read in your letter what you wrote about me, And I’m coming to the party you’re throwing for me.” That’s when God’s Word entered my life, became part of my very being."
11/7/2015 8:14:50 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
wsprs0nthewind Powell, TN 51, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from isna_la_wica: Little off topic, hope you do not mind. But longing also allows one to forgive them selves. Its a great guilt/ anger killer. Its a door, to examine ones soul, and be honest not only about what you have done and are, but also to have Christ reach you. He stands at the door and knocks, and it is through "longing", that we decide we are ready and answer. Forgiving oneself is the hardest task of all.
11/7/2015 8:33:32 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: Little off topic, hope you do not mind. But longing also allows one to forgive them selves. Its a great guilt/ anger killer. Its a door, to examine ones soul, and be honest not only about what you have done and are, but also to have Christ reach you. He stands at the door and knocks, and it is through "longing", that we decide we are ready and answer. Quote from wsprs0nthewind: Forgiving oneself is the hardest task of all. Yes, in many cases I do feel that it is the hardest. A lot of times we are saying either verbally, or subconsciously, "I coulda, woulda, shoulda" done this, or that. And then there are with those, the endless "if onlys." When I get to beating up on myself, I now like to remember the truth that I've done the best I can, with what I've been given. Some are given much in this life, and better not think they deserved it. Some have been given little. Some very little, or nothing. "Do not despair. God knows all about it. One day, in another world, or perhaps far sooner, God will fling the wretched machine you've been trying to drive on the scrap heap, and give you a new one. Then you will astonish us all, least of all yourself. Some of the first shall be last and some of the last shall be first." ~ C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity [Edited 11/7/2015 8:36:23 PM ]
11/9/2015 10:34:16 AM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	"It is safe to tell the pure in heart that they shall see God, for only the pure in heart want to!" "God will look to every soul like its first love because He is its first love" (Couple of C.S. Lewis quotes I gleaned online, from an article)
11/9/2015 3:49:33 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 60, joined Dec. 2012	Rev 2:4, 4. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Many have walked away....
11/9/2015 6:08:10 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
Stillherehaha AnchorenaQueensland Australia 69, joined Jun. 2015	Quote from walt_oftheearth: "It is safe to tell the pure in heart that they shall see God, for only the pure in heart want to!" "God will look to every soul like its first love because He is its first love" (Couple of C.S. Lewis quotes I gleaned online, from an article) Matthew 5:8 the bible A child is Not conditioned to do what is ever is required to get by until trained to do so by those more powerful This is how the bully becomes -- using laws using silence you will not speak till spoken too--- Parents ruling---Archthal (misspelled) types collective Or Heavenly Father----showed to us by power hungry priesthoods A child is IMO of pure heart is natural until this training of fear--- by hurt child-adults themselves (bad priests) Until the child is frighten and beaten into submission The child is full of whys? Why this ?--why that ?--- The establishment (religious organizations) crushes --that open inquiring heart and mind of Why? Why? why? why? March ---the establishment says I have power-bully Until Jesus came Let us be children again Matthew 5:8 the bible Where the spirit of G_d is there is freedom Jesus said Fear NOT
11/9/2015 8:21:20 PM	Longing Transforms Obedience
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from Stillherehaha: Matthew 5:8 the bible A child is Not conditioned to do what is ever is required to get by until trained to do so by those more powerful This is how the bully becomes -- using laws using silence you will not speak till spoken too--- Parents ruling---Archthal (misspelled) types collective Or Heavenly Father----showed to us by power hungry priesthoods A child is IMO of pure heart is natural until this training of fear--- by hurt child-adults themselves (bad priests) Until the child is frighten and beaten into submission The child is full of whys? Why this ?--why that ?--- The establishment (religious organizations) crushes --that open inquiring heart and mind of Why? Why? why? why? March ---the establishment says I have power-bully Until Jesus came Let us be children again Matthew 5:8 the bible Where the spirit of G_d is there is freedom Jesus said Fear NOT Can't find much in what you wrote to disagree with. Jesus was murdered, not by heathens, but by religious people.

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