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Quote from ludlowlowell:
There is only one priest, Jesus Christ. All the others merely share in Christ's priesthood.


You do not know who your Father is. You're like a little child in the supermarket calling every male person there, "Father." You have 414,313 mere men, "Fathers." They are all little, mere men, gods to you. You dishonor God and you break the 4th commandment by calling priests, "Father." Not to mention you disobey and defy Jesus.

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

Jesus: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)

And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24)

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4)

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Ludlow believes in 414,313 mere men priest-"gods." He call them all "Father." They are all mere men but Ludlow calls them all "Father" anyway, which Jesus forbids. He doesn't know who his real Father is. He doesn't know his real Father.

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4)

(Proverbs 11:20) They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD.

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Calling someone "father", " Dad", or "Sir" is not to recognize them as God. Calling someone a creator-sons is.

Catholics and Protestants believe in one God. Urantiaists believe in 700,000 gods. By definition, this makes Urantiaists a pagan religion.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Calling someone "father", " Dad", or "Sir" is not to recognize them as God. Calling someone a creator-sons is.

Catholics and Protestants believe in one God. Urantiaists believe in 700,000 gods. By definition, this makes Urantiaists a pagan religion.

Why do you keep lying, Ludlow? Especially when you say you believe those who sin are destined for eternal hell? There is but ONE GOD THE FATHER and the UB doesn't teach differently. What the UB does say is that God the Father has many Sons of which Jesus was one and these sons are the sovereign creator sons of numerous local universes comprising the totality of the Grand Universe of all existing pervaded space. And the UB entails over 700 pages of the Life and Teachings of Jesus which is far greater than the teachings of Jesus in the book compiled by early Catholic leaders. Catholic leaders who after claiming it to be all God's word/truth no matter what it says and no matter what Jesus taught went on for centuries after compiling the book torturing and burning people to death at the stake calling them witches and heretics. What vipers and hypocrites they are and you have subordinated your mind and thus your soul to their anti-Christ actions and claims.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Calling someone "father", " Dad", or "Sir" is not to recognize them as God. Calling someone a creator-sons is.

Catholics and Protestants believe in one God. Urantiaists believe in 700,000 gods. By definition, this makes Urantiaists a pagan religion.


There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book. Don't you ever get tired of repeating wrong things?

Jesus said nothing about calling anyone "Dad" or "sir." You are being willfully stupid. But you're not going to fool God with that kid stuff.

One great thing about The Urantia Book and its believers, we don't pray to dead people and we don't give titles to mere men that are reserved for God in Heaven only.

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

You are willfully disobedient, froward, an abomination unto the Lord. Proverbs 11:20

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Any way you cut the mustard, 700,000 "creator sons"=700,000 gods=paganism.

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Why do you keep lying, Ludlow? Especially when you say you believe those who sin are destined for eternal hell? There is but ONE GOD THE FATHER and the UB doesn't teach differently. What the UB does say is that God the Father has many Sons of which Jesus was one and these sons are the sovereign creator sons of numerous local universes comprising the totality of the Grand Universe of all existing pervaded space. And the UB entails over 700 pages of the Life and Teachings of Jesus which is far greater than the teachings of Jesus in the book compiled by early Catholic leaders. Catholic leaders who after claiming it to be all God's word/truth no matter what it says and no matter what Jesus taught went on for centuries after compiling the book torturing and burning people to death at the stake calling them witches and heretics. What vipers and hypocrites they are and you have subordinated your mind and thus your soul to their anti-Christ actions and claims.

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So you do admit that the Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church, and that the New Testament was written by eight Catholic bishops (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude)?

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So if you were a Catholic flatheadone (like Ludlow is) and if you knew that Jesus said not to call priests, "Father," (like Jesus says and like Ludlow knows) and if you disobeyed and defied Jesus and called priests, "Father," anyway (as Ludlow does), exactly what Jesus says not to do, do you think you would be judged for your disobedience and defiance sort of like Eve, who God told not to do something, and she went ahead and did it anyway? Isn't willfully disobeying and defying God pretty much like giving God the finger? What should, what will, God do with people who refuse to obey Him? Will He let them advance to the Mansion worlds? (John 14:2) Why would He let them in to Heaven at all?

Jesus says that people who don't do what Jesus says don't love God. Do you agree with Jesus on that?

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)


I know we all sin I think that will be between him and god we are only little human creatures and in my way of thinking we all have to make the best choices we can from the heart. And I think god knows what our intentions are in our every move

I view my self as Christian first and Baptist second.
There are quite a few things I don't understand in the Catholic church not my place to judge .

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What part of Catholicism is it that you don't understand, Flat? (I am Catholic now, but I wasn't raised Catholic, and I can see how non-Catholic might misunderstand certain things.)

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Quote from flatheadone:
I know we all sin I think that will be between him and god we are only little human creatures and in my way of thinking we all have to make the best choices we can from the heart. And I think god knows what our intentions are in our every move

I view my self as Christian first and Baptist second.
There are quite a few things I don't understand in the Catholic church not my place to judge .


Listen to this video, Flat:

https://youtu.be/H5TyNPG88aU

It's riveting and it's all about the Catholic church.

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What part of Catholicism is it that you don't understand, Flat? (I am Catholic now, but I wasn't raised Catholic, and I can see how non-Catholic might misunderstand certain things.)


Don't ask Lud to explain Catholic to you, Flat.

He's a totally indoctrinated tool of the Catholic church, to the point even, where he refuses to obey God on the church's say-so. He loves the church more than he loves God and he conflates the two. He has said, and I quote Lud here:

"Jesus IS the Church, and the Church is Jesus.
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus
Jesus=Church
Church=Jesus"

That's how screwed up Lud is.

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What part of Catholicism is it that you don't understand, Flat? (I am Catholic now, but I wasn't raised Catholic, and I can see how non-Catholic might misunderstand certain things.)


Well to start with the first tow things
1 my wife was raised catholic and I only went to her church one time that was enough for me to know that was some place that I didn't need to be it was a very big church and the way you moved up in the church was by given money ? You were judge by how much money you gave.

And
2 I don't need to belong to any church/organization that
has a large number of it's officials that like or abuses kids (in a sexual manner) and not do anything about it but move them around. To do the same thing all over again .

I am far from perfect but I do know the difference between right and wrong . and I feel that both of these are very wrong

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In the Catholic Church nobody cares, or keeps track of, how much money you give the Church, unless you use envelopes (I don't myself).

Researchers and insurance companies attest that there are just as many Protestant minister pedophiles as priests who are. And Pope Francis is cracking down on that.

There are bad apples in every religion, Flat. How do you feel about the Catholic doctrine of Jesus being literally present in the Eucharist?

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How do you feel about the Catholic doctrine of Jesus being literally present in the Eucharist?


179:5.5 Notwithstanding the Master’s effort thus to establish this new sacrament of the remembrance, those who followed after him in the intervening centuries saw to it that his express desire was effectively thwarted in that his simple spiritual symbolism of that last night in the flesh has been reduced to precise interpretations and subjected to the almost mathematical precision of a set formula. Of all Jesus’ teachings none have become more tradition-standardized.

179:5.6 This supper of remembrance, when it is partaken of by those who are Son-believing and God-knowing, does not need to have associated with its symbolism any of man’s puerile misinterpretations regarding the meaning of the divine presence, for upon all such occasions the Master is really present. The remembrance supper is the believer’s symbolic rendezvous with Michael. When you become thus spirit-conscious, the Son is actually present, and his spirit fraternizes with the indwelling fragment of his Father. -The Urantia Book

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Pro-life leaders expressed shock after Pope Francis praised the "Margaret Sanger" of Italian politics.

In an interview early in February the Pope called former Italian Foreign Minister Emma Bonino one of the nation's "forgotten greats." Bonino for decades has been known as Italy's most outspoken abortion-rights activist.

The Pope's remarks surprised church traditionalists.

"How can the Pope praise a woman that is best known in Italy for practicing illegal abortion and promoting abortion?" said Msgr. Ignacio Barreiro, who was until last year the head of the Rome office of Human Life International, reports the pro-life website LifeSiteNews.

Bonino, a leading member of the Radical Party and former European commissioner, is well known for having an abortion at the age of 27 and then working with the Information Centre on Sterilization and Abortion, which was responsible for 10,000 abortions, notes LifeSiteNews.

She entered politics after being acquitted on charges of performing illegal abortions, the site says, and there are photos of her performing abortions using a homemade device operated by a bicycle pump.

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Who are you?

I am a Son of the Son. And true Christian followers are those who are striving to know and believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him. True Christians know that Jesus would never order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for any reason let alone all those absurd OT reasons for doing so believed and taught by the Pharisees who rejected and killed Him.

In other words, true Christian followers of Jesus are those who reject all scripture in the bible that is incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.

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You mean, all Scripture that is incpatible with your mistaken idea of Jesus that He is a wimpy little marshmallow Who forgives all sinners, repentant or not.

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You mean, all Scripture that is incpatible with your mistaken idea of Jesus that He is a wimpy little marshmallow Who forgives all sinners, repentant or not.


"The wages of sin is death." Rom 6:23

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Yes, the spiritual death of Hell forever.

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Yes, the spiritual death of Hell forever.


"The wages of sin is death."

You are surely unteachable.

Main Entry:death
Pronunciation:*deth
Function:noun

1 : the end of life
2 : the cause of loss of life
3 : the state of being dead
4 : DESTRUCTION : EXTINCTION

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
You mean, all Scripture that is incpatible with your mistaken idea of Jesus that He is a wimpy little marshmallow Who forgives all sinners, repentant or not.

I said what I mean and you are a corrupt liar.

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True or false, KB, Jesus forgives even unrepentant sinners.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
True or false, KB, Jesus forgives even unrepentant sinners.


Jesus forgives those who forgive others.

"...if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Mat 6:14-15)

If you loved God you would accept what Jesus said.

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They who would receive forgiveness must show forgiveness.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
True or false, KB, Jesus forgives even unrepentant sinners.


True or false, Lud. You should obey Jesus.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
In the Catholic Church nobody cares, or keeps track of, how much money you give the Church, unless you use envelopes (I don't myself).

Researchers and insurance companies attest that there are just as many Protestant minister pedophiles as priests who are. And Pope Francis is cracking down on that.


Wow! He does have a lot of power! Why in the world would pope francis crack down on researchers and insurance companies who attest that there are just as many Protestant minister pedophiles as priests who are?

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Any way you cut the mustard, 700,000 "creator sons"=700,000 gods=paganism.


Not according to God's new revelation to our world, The Urantia Book, authorized and sponsored by a Uversa Corps of Superuniverse Personalities acting by authority of the Orvonton Ancients of Days. There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book.

Any way you cut the mustard, Jesus says you do not love God because you refuse to obey Him on the advice of Satan, in the guise of your church this time around. Like Eve, you have been beguiled by Satan.

2Co_11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Paul's fears came true. You have been beguiled from the simplicity that is in Christ by Satan, your church.

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Use your common sense, FJO. More than one God=paganism.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Use your common sense, FJO. More than one God=paganism.

God is Spirit and the Paradise Creator Sons of God are God the Father personified to the inhabitants of the evolving worlds of space and time and if you can't wrap your mind about this, Ludlow, you are suffering from a bad case of arrogant ignorance as a matter of choice as a direct result of your subordination of your mind to the teachings of the RCC about the book they compiled when after compiling said book went on torturing and burning to death at the stake thousands of their brethren who would not accept their authority.

In your arrogant ignorance you denounce the Urantia book as being the work of Satan and nothing could be more further from the truth. Satan would hardly confirm the divinity of Jesus and devote over 700 pages in the UB to His Life and Teachings. You are willfully blind and spiritually confused and if you have any sincere desire to gain a better perspective of the life and teachings of Jesus I strongly urge you to view this video based on the biography of Jesus in The Urantia Book which most certainly Satan would not have presented to mankind.

https://vimeo.com/100855303

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I may be an arrogant ignorant so-and-so, but that doesn't change the fact that 700,000 gods=paganism.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I may be an arrogant ignorant so-and-so, but that doesn't change the fact that 700,000 gods=paganism.

The Paradise Creator Sons of God are the Creator Sons of God in some 700,000 local universes in the Grand universe comprising all of creation and you are just an arrogant brain washed ignorant Catholic pawn to claim God the Father can't have many such sons.

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God alone is the Creator. John 3:16 is clear that Jesus is God's ONLY begotten Son.

Let's face reality, KB. A pagan is one who believes in a Pantheon of gods, and the Urantia Book teaches that there is a Pantheon of gods. Deep down, I think you realize this.

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Deep down I "know" you are an arrogant brain washed ignorant Catholic pawn to claim God the Father can't have many such sons.

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Pantheon of gods = paganism.

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There is but one God the Father and one Eternal Son. But by divine association there come into existence Paradise Creator SONS who for all intents and purposes are the creator personification of God the Father to the evolving worlds of space and time.

You reject the true loving and caring nature of God that Jesus divinely revealed and choose to believe and teach your brethren about God like the murderous Pharisees believed thus you have clearly chosen the path of rebellion along with Lucifer. Be forewarned, Ludlow.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Use your common sense, FJO. More than one God=paganism.


We only believe in one God.

We don't disobey and defy God and call priests, "Father" as you do.

Jesus says you don't love God because you refuse to obey Him.

Use your common sense, Lud, and get in line with what Jesus says. Satan surely has his talons into you, so much so that you deliberately disobey God and think you are doing God's will.

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[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]God alone is the Creator. John 3:16 is clear that Jesus is God's ONLY begotten Son.

Let's face reality, KB. A pagan is one who believes in a Pantheon of gods, and the Urantia Book teaches that there is a Pantheon of gods. Deep down, I think you realize this.[/]

=================================================================

There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book.

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[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]There is only one priest, Jesus Christ. All the others merely share in Christ's priesthood.[/]

====================================================

Where does Jesus say that?

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Quote from followjesusonly:
[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]God alone is the Creator. John 3:16 is clear that Jesus is God's ONLY begotten Son.

Let's face reality, KB. A pagan is one who believes in a Pantheon of gods, and the Urantia Book teaches that there is a Pantheon of gods. Deep down, I think you realize this.[/]

=================================================================

There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book.
JESUS was & is God, Son of GOD (the heavenly FATHER).
URANTIA reveals that the GODS, the Paradise TRINITY, together with the many Sons of GOD, are one. URANTIA:
160:4.9 Even the physical problems of bodily health and efficiency are best solved when they are viewed from the religious standpoint of our Master's teaching: That the body and mind of man are the dwelling place of the gift of the Gods, the spirit of God becoming the spirit of man. The mind of man thus becomes the mediator between material things and spiritual realities.
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A Pantheon of 700,000 gods = paganism.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
A Pantheon of 700,000 gods = paganism.
Didn't JESUS said He & the FATHER are the same? Doesn't that make them 2 Gods???. Or wait, you don't believe JESUS is God, because that is taught by your church???..

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How about 3 GODS? How about more?.
And how about all of them being the one & only GOD???.
.

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No. It does not make God and Jesus 2 Gods.

It makes God the only God and Jesus abideth in the Father as the Father abideth in him.

The Trinity is clear.

As is the Holy Bible.

John 1
Col. 1
Heb. 1

Rev. 1 Jesus' own words.

One must not compare the principles of the Trinity to three separate dirties. It is one diety: God, with a threefold purpose.

Isn't God a beneficent and marvelous God?

Praise God. Amen.



[Edited 3/3/2016 5:02:48 PM ]

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I prefer the higher quality of credibility of the spiritual & divine epochal revelation to humanity, The URANTIA Book. The fourth epochal divine revelation being JESUS, the third Melchizedek and the Bible, the second Adam & Eve, and the first the ex-Prince of this world, now the Devil. (...)
URANTIA:
Paper 92:4.4 (page 1007.4) There have been many events of religious revelation but only five of epochal significance. These were as follows:

92:4.5 (1007.5) 1. The Dalamatian teachings. The true concept of the First Source and Center was first promulgated on Urantia by the one hundred corporeal members of Prince Caligastia’s staff. This expanding revelation of Deity went on for more than three hundred thousand years until it was suddenly terminated by the planetary secession and the disruption of the teaching regime. Except for the work of Van, the influence of the Dalamatian revelation was practically lost to the whole world. Even the Nodites had forgotten this truth by the time of Adam’s arrival. Of all who received the teachings of the one hundred, the red men held them longest, but the idea of the Great Spirit was but a hazy concept in Amerindian religion when contact with Christianity greatly clarified and strengthened it.

92:4.6 (1007.6) 2. The Edenic teachings. Adam and Eve again portrayed the concept of the Father of all to the evolutionary peoples. The disruption of the first Eden halted the course of the Adamic revelation before it had ever fully started. But the aborted teachings of Adam were carried on by the Sethite priests, and some of these truths have never been entirely lost to the world. The entire trend of Levantine religious evolution was modified by the teachings of the Sethites. But by 2500 B.C. mankind had largely lost sight of the revelation sponsored in the days of Eden.

92:4.7 (1007.7) 3. Melchizedek of Salem. This emergency Son of Nebadon inaugurated the third revelation of truth on Urantia. The cardinal precepts of his teachings were trust and faith. He taught trust in the omnipotent beneficence of God and proclaimed that faith was the act by which men earned God’s favor. His teachings gradually commingled with the beliefs and practices of various evolutionary religions and finally developed into those theologic systems present on Urantia at the opening of the first millennium after Christ.

92:4.8 (1008.1) 4. Jesus of Nazareth. Christ Michael presented for the fourth time to Urantia the concept of God as the Universal Father, and this teaching has generally persisted ever since. The essence of his teaching was love and service, the loving worship which a creature son voluntarily gives in recognition of, and response to, the loving ministry of God his Father; the freewill service which such creature sons bestow upon their brethren in the joyous realization that in this service they are likewise serving God the Father.

92:4.9 (1008.2) 5. The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.


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lmarcox2
Antonio de BiedmaMexico City
Mexico
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Quote from cjsassy72:
Who Are You?

Are you a true Christian?
Are you a false Christian?

A pseudo-Christian or a "Bible-ist"?

I've noticed being around DH for little over a year and of course & out side of DH, living in a real life I met so many people called themselves true Christians but they don't act like Christians.
I think I met more pseudo-Christians and Bible-ist....
or they say they are Christians but they are confused. They don't know how they should live like Christians because they are stuck in past or worrying about what others think about them being Christians.
What do you think?
I agree with you entirely.
URANTIA:
Paper 195:10.9 (page 2085.1) Many earnest persons who would gladly yield loyalty to the Christ of the gospel find it very difficult enthusiastically to support a church which exhibits so little of the spirit of his life and teachings, and which they have been erroneously taught he founded. Jesus did not found the so-called Christian church, but he has, in every manner consistent with his nature, fostered it as the best existent exponent of his lifework on earth.

195:10.10 (2085.2) If the Christian church would only dare to espouse the Master’s program, thousands of apparently indifferent youths would rush forward to enlist in such a spiritual undertaking, and they would not hesitate to go all the way through with this great adventure.

195:10.11 (2085.3) Christianity is seriously confronted with the doom embodied in one of its own slogans: “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” The non-Christian world will hardly capitulate to a sect-divided Christendom. The living Jesus is the only hope of a possible unification of Christianity. The true church — the Jesus brotherhood — is invisible, spiritual, and is characterized by unity, not necessarily by uniformity. Uniformity is the earmark of the physical world of mechanistic nature. Spiritual unity is the fruit of faith union with the living Jesus. The visible church should refuse longer to handicap the progress of the invisible and spiritual brotherhood of the kingdom of God. And this brotherhood is destined to become a living organism in contrast to an institutionalized social organization. It may well utilize such social organizations, but it must not be supplanted by them.

195:10.12 (2085.4) But the Christianity of even the twentieth century must not be despised. It is the product of the combined moral genius of the God-knowing men of many races during many ages, and it has truly been one of the greatest powers for good on earth, and therefore no man should lightly regard it, notwithstanding its inherent and acquired defects. Christianity still contrives to move the minds of reflective men with mighty moral emotions.

195:10.13 (2085.5) But there is no excuse for the involvement of the church in commerce and politics; such unholy alliances are a flagrant betrayal of the Master. And the genuine lovers of truth will be slow to forget that this powerful institutionalized church has often dared to smother newborn faith and persecute truth bearers who chanced to appear in unorthodox raiment.

195:10.14 (2085.6) It is all too true that such a church would not have survived unless there had been men in the world who preferred such a style of worship. Many spiritually indolent souls crave an ancient and authoritative religion of ritual and sacred traditions. Human evolution and spiritual progress are hardly sufficient to enable all men to dispense with religious authority. And the invisible brotherhood of the kingdom may well include these family groups of various social and temperamental classes if they are only willing to become truly spirit-led sons of God. But in this brotherhood of Jesus there is no place for sectarian rivalry, group bitterness, nor assertions of moral superiority and spiritual infallibility.

195:10.15 (2086.1) These various groupings of Christians may serve to accommodate numerous different types of would-be believers among the various peoples of Western civilization, but such division of Christendom presents a grave weakness when it attempts to carry the gospel of Jesus to Oriental peoples. These races do not yet understand that there is a religion of Jesus separate, and somewhat apart, from Christianity, which has more and more become a religion about Jesus.

195:10.16 (2086.2) The great hope of Urantia lies in the possibility of a new revelation of Jesus with a new and enlarged presentation of his saving message which would spiritually unite in loving service the numerous families of his present-day professed followers.

195:10.17 (2086.3) Even secular education could help in this great spiritual renaissance if it would pay more attention to the work of teaching youth how to engage in life planning and character progression. The purpose of all education should be to foster and further the supreme purpose of life, the development of a majestic and well-balanced personality. There is great need for the teaching of moral discipline in the place of so much self-gratification. Upon such a foundation religion may contribute its spiritual incentive to the enlargement and enrichment of mortal life, even to the security and enhancement of life eternal.

195:10.18 (2086.4) Christianity is an extemporized religion, and therefore must it operate in low gear. High-gear spiritual performances must await the new revelation and the more general acceptance of the real religion of Jesus. But Christianity is a mighty religion, seeing that the commonplace disciples of a crucified carpenter set in motion those teachings which conquered the Roman world in three hundred years and then went on to triumph over the barbarians who overthrew Rome. This same Christianity conquered — absorbed and exalted — the whole stream of Hebrew theology and Greek philosophy. And then, when this Christian religion became comatose for more than a thousand years as a result of an overdose of mysteries and paganism, it resurrected itself and virtually reconquered the whole Western world. Christianity contains enough of Jesus’ teachings to immortalize it.

195:10.19 (2086.5) If Christianity could only grasp more of Jesus’ teachings, it could do so much more in helping modern man to solve his new and increasingly complex problems.

195:10.20 (2086.6) Christianity suffers under a great handicap because it has become identified in the minds of all the world as a part of the social system, the industrial life, and the moral standards of Western civilization; and thus has Christianity unwittingly seemed to sponsor a society which staggers under the guilt of tolerating science without idealism, politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without restraint, knowledge without character, power without conscience, and industry without morality.

195:10.21 (2086.7) The hope of modern Christianity is that it should cease to sponsor the social systems and industrial policies of Western civilization while it humbly bows itself before the cross it so valiantly extols, there to learn anew from Jesus of Nazareth the greatest truths mortal man can ever hear — the living gospel of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.


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ludlowlowell
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"I've met so many Christians who are not perfect in every way so therefore I excuse myself from believing in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son" is an argument that doesn't make much sense. Jesus is still the Light and Savior of the world, no matter how good or bad His followers are.

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followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
"I've met so many Christians who are not perfect in every way so therefore I excuse myself from believing in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son" is an argument that doesn't make much sense. Jesus is still the Light and Savior of the world, no matter how good or bad His followers are.


And all he wants from you is for you to obey Him.

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)

Why won't you obey Him? Satan surely has beguiled you that you refuse to obey God.

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lmarcox2
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JESUS was & is God, Son of GOD (the heavenly FATHER).
URANTIA reveals that the GODS, the Paradise TRINITY, together with the many Sons of GOD, are one. URANTIA:
160:4.9 Even the physical problems of bodily health and efficiency are best solved when they are viewed from the religious standpoint of our Master's teaching: That the body and mind of man are the dwelling place of the gift of the Gods, the spirit of God becoming the spirit of man. The mind of man thus becomes the mediator between material things and spiritual realities.


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ludlowlowell
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So you're saying God isn't a Trinity, but a sevenhundredthousandity?



[Edited 3/6/2016 5:22:16 PM ]

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followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
So you're saying God isn't a Trinity, but a sevenhundredthousandity?


Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

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ludlowlowell
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A question about the 700,000 creator-sons---did they exist from all eternity, or did God create them at some point in time?

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lmarcox2
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
So you're saying God isn't a Trinity, but a sevenhundredthousandity?
I already affirmed the TRINITY GOD. Don't misinterpret me. .

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cupocheer
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True Christian

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lmarcox2
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& Urantian.
In your case, do you reject URANTIA, lady? Why? Or what do you opine of it?.


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cupocheer
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Christian by the Grace of God.

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lmarcox2
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http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-195-after-pentecost
9. Christianity’s Problem

195:9.1 (2082.6) Do not overlook the value of your spiritual heritage, the river of truth running down through the centuries, even to the barren times of a materialistic and secular age. In all your worthy efforts to rid yourselves of the superstitious creeds of past ages, make sure that you hold fast the eternal truth. But be patient! when the present superstition revolt is over, the truths of Jesus’ gospel will persist gloriously to illuminate a new and better way.

195:9.2 (2082.7) But paganized and socialized Christianity stands in need of new contact with the uncompromised teachings of Jesus; it languishes for lack of a new vision of the Master’s life on earth. A new and fuller revelation of the religion of Jesus is destined to conquer an empire of materialistic secularism and to overthrow a world sway of mechanistic naturalism. Urantia is now quivering on the very brink of one of its most amazing and enthralling epochs of social readjustment, moral quickening, and spiritual enlightenment.

195:9.3 (2082.8) The teachings of Jesus, even though greatly modified, survived the mystery cults of their birthtime, the ignorance and superstition of the dark ages, and are even now slowly triumphing over the materialism, mechanism, and secularism of the twentieth century. And such times of great testing and threatened defeat are always times of great revelation.

195:9.4 (2082.9) Religion does need new leaders, spiritual men and women who will dare to depend solely on Jesus and his incomparable teachings. If Christianity persists in neglecting its spiritual mission while it continues to busy itself with social and material problems, the spiritual renaissance must await the coming of these new teachers of Jesus’ religion who will be exclusively devoted to the spiritual regeneration of men. And then will these spirit-born souls quickly supply the leadership and inspiration requisite for the social, moral, economic, and political reorganization of the world.

195:9.5 (2083.1) The modern age will refuse to accept a religion which is inconsistent with facts and out of harmony with its highest conceptions of truth, beauty, and goodness. The hour is striking for a rediscovery of the true and original foundations of present-day distorted and compromised Christianity — the real life and teachings of Jesus.

195:9.6 (2083.2) Primitive man lived a life of superstitious bondage to religious fear. Modern, civilized men dread the thought of falling under the dominance of strong religious convictions. Thinking man has always feared to be held by a religion. When a strong and moving religion threatens to dominate him, he invariably tries to rationalize, traditionalize, and institutionalize it, thereby hoping to gain control of it. By such procedure, even a revealed religion becomes man-made and man-dominated. Modern men and women of intelligence evade the religion of Jesus because of their fears of what it will do to them — and with them. And all such fears are well founded. The religion of Jesus does, indeed, dominate and transform its believers, demanding that men dedicate their lives to seeking for a knowledge of the will of the Father in heaven and requiring that the energies of living be consecrated to the unselfish service of the brotherhood of man.

195:9.7 (2083.3) Selfish men and women simply will not pay such a price for even the greatest spiritual treasure ever offered mortal man. Only when man has become sufficiently disillusioned by the sorrowful disappointments attendant upon the foolish and deceptive pursuits of selfishness, and subsequent to the discovery of the barrenness of formalized religion, will he be disposed to turn wholeheartedly to the gospel of the kingdom, the religion of Jesus of Nazareth.

195:9.8 (2083.4) The world needs more firsthand religion. Even Christianity — the best of the religions of the twentieth century — is not only a religion about Jesus, but it is so largely one which men experience secondhand. They take their religion wholly as handed down by their accepted religious teachers. What an awakening the world would experience if it could only see Jesus as he really lived on earth and know, firsthand, his life-giving teachings! Descriptive words of things beautiful cannot thrill like the sight thereof, neither can creedal words inspire men’s souls like the experience of knowing the presence of God. But expectant faith will ever keep the hope-door of man’s soul open for the entrance of the eternal spiritual realities of the divine values of the worlds beyond.

195:9.9 (2083.5) Christianity has dared to lower its ideals before the challenge of human greed, war-madness, and the lust for power; but the religion of Jesus stands as the unsullied and transcendent spiritual summons, calling to the best there is in man to rise above all these legacies of animal evolution and, by grace, attain the moral heights of true human destiny.

195:9.10 (2083.6) Christianity is threatened by slow death from formalism, overorganization, intellectualism, and other nonspiritual trends. The modern Christian church is not such a brotherhood of dynamic believers as Jesus commissioned continuously to effect the spiritual transformation of successive generations of mankind.

195:9.11 (2083.7) So-called Christianity has become a social and cultural movement as well as a religious belief and practice. The stream of modern Christianity drains many an ancient pagan swamp and many a barbarian morass; many olden cultural watersheds drain into this present-day cultural stream as well as the high Galilean tablelands which are supposed to be its exclusive source.