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Islam Can’t Be Modernized’ Says World’s ‘Greatest Arabic Poet’
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2/25/2016 11:59:15 AM |
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Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
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Islam Can’t Be Modernized’ Says World’s ‘Greatest Arabic Poet’
The writer regarded as the greatest Arabic language poet alive today has said Islam cannot be modernised.
Adunis Asbar, known by his pen name Adonis, is a Syrian-born writer often considered one of the greatest living poets of the Arabic language. He has come under criticism for comments he made recently about Islam before receiving the Erich Maria Remarque Peace Prize, named after the famous pacifist and author of the classic World War One novel ‘All Quiet on the Western Front’.
In an interview with Die Welt he talked about one of the most pressing issues in Germany since the migrant crisis began, the idea of being able to integrate migrants from predominately Muslim countries into European societies.
Being raised a Muslim himself and having one of the greatest understandings of the language of the Quran, Adonis said: “You can not reform a religion. If they are reformed, [the original meaning] is separated from it. Therefore, modern Muslims and a modern Islam is already impossible. If there is no separation between religion and state, there will be no democracy especially without equality for women. Then we will keep a theocratic system. So it will end.”
Laying down a heavy critique of the Islamic world, he added: “Arabs have no more creative force. Islam does not contribute to intellectual life, it suggests no discussion. It is no longer thought. It produces no thinking, no art, no science, no vision that could change the world. This repetition is the sign of its end. The Arabs will continue to exist, but they will not make the world better.”
The remarks are in reference to the broader questions of how he sees the Middle East, and specifically his native Syria which has been in a state of civil war for years. Adonis describes the totality of Islam in the life of people in the Islamic world saying Muslim society is “based on a totalitarian system. The religion dictates everything: How to run, how to go to the toilet, who one has to love…”
Initially seemingly reluctant to condemn the Assad regime, he did write an open letter to Bashar Assad asking him to step down. However, this also angered rebel sympathisers when he referred to Assad as the elected President of Syria. Adonis said: “But I’ve also written a second letter, which was addressed to the revolutionaries. I have asked for their vision. But they would not read it, because they are not independent.”
He went on to say the rebels were controlled by interests in America, Saudi Arabia and certain sections of Europe, and stessed:
“I have long been an opponent of Assad. The Assad regime has transformed the country into a prison. But his opponents, the so-called revolutionaries, commit mass murder, cut people’s heads off, sell women in cages as goods and trample human dignity underfoot.”
Adonis was referring to the Islamic State and the Al-Nusra front (an Al Qaeda affiliate) who have become the largest opposition force to Assad over the course of the civil war.
Breitbart London has already reported that attempts to house and integrate Muslim migrants will cost Germans and other European countries billions of euros, and according to Adonis’ opinion it could be a useless endeavour.
When asked if he receives death threats from radical Islamists Adonis said: “Of course, but I do not care. For certain convictions people should risk their lives.”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/19/islam-cant-be-modernised-says-worlds-greatest-arabic-poet/
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2/25/2016 12:10:40 PM |
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clarence2
South Yorkshire
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Are his poems any good?
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2/25/2016 2:29:35 PM |
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Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
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Hell, I don't know, and not even sure who regards him as such.
Even Abu Nuwas is still considered one of the greatest, and he's a B.F.D.S.
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3/1/2016 1:41:06 PM |
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ludlowlowell
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According to "Christianity, Islam, and Atheism" by William Kilpatrick, the following Prayer was recited from a loudspeaker in Mecca in 2011:
"O Allah, vanquish the unjust Christians and the criminal Jews, the unjust traitors; strike them with your wrath; make their lives hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain, and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression; inflict your torture and punishments upon the unjust Christians and criminal Jews. This is our supplication, Allah, grant us our request!"
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3/1/2016 2:11:40 PM |
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followjesusonly
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According to "Christianity, Islam, and Atheism" by William Kilpatrick, the following Prayer was recited from a loudspeaker in Mecca in 2011:
"O Allah, vanquish the unjust Christians and the criminal Jews, the unjust traitors; strike them with your wrath; make their lives hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain, and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression; inflict your torture and punishments upon the unjust Christians and criminal Jews. This is our supplication, Allah, grant us our request!"
What's wrong with that prayer? Do you think unjust Christians, Jewish criminals, and traitors should go unpunished? Why shouldn't unjust Christians be vanquished? Surely unjust Christians will be among those about whom Jesus said, "Depart from me, ...I never knew you." Unjustfulness isn't right. Don't you yourself believe that God is going to punish by torture those who don't love Him in much the same manner as the above? You said: "God ...sends people to Hell who don't love Him back." -Ludlow
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3/1/2016 9:06:28 PM |
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ludlowlowell
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Compare that Prayer with Jesus' Prayer: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do", or His teaching "Love your enemies. Do good to those who persecute you."
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3/1/2016 10:57:23 PM |
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followjesusonly
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Compare that Prayer with Jesus' Prayer: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do", or His teaching "Love your enemies. Do good to those who persecute you."
Well, as kb likes to point out, which God do you believe in, the one you just mentioned above, Mr. Nice Guy, or the one from the so called Old Testament who does NOT say "forgive them for they know not what they do", or "Love your enemies, or Do good to those who persecute you," and who you say sends people to Hell to be tortured because they don't love God. Pick one and stick with it. You like to have everything both ways. God is not double minded. Doesn't "Love your enemies. Do good to those who persecute you," sound marshmallowy and wishy washy to you? Isn't that what you've been taunting kb with, that Jesus is no push over and is a torturer in chief with the best of them? And here you are above telling us all what a marshmallow Jesus is. Phony. Why don't you leave Islam to Jim? That's his specialty. What does trashing Islam have to do with you? How will it help you? Are you upset because Islam has more members than your dying, putrefying church with all it's homosexual, pedophile priests? I know, I know, you say, but the Protestants have just as many child molesters as we do. How does pointing that out, even if true, which we don't know, help you and your scandal ridden organization?
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3/2/2016 9:10:50 PM |
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ludlowlowell
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God is like a firm but fair boss---love Him, obey Him, and there is forgiveness for sin and rich rewards in Heaven. Refuse to love Him, refuse to obey Him, refuse to repent of sin---great unhappiness in this life, and Hell forever in the next.
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3/2/2016 11:11:48 PM |
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followjesusonly
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God is like a firm but fair boss---love Him, obey Him, and there is forgiveness for sin and rich rewards in Heaven. Refuse to love Him, refuse to obey Him, refuse to repent of sin---great unhappiness in this life, and Hell forever in the next.
But according to Jesus you neither love Him nor obey Him.
"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
And you indict yourself when you say, "God ...sends people to Hell who don't love Him back." -Ludlow
What IS your game? Are you trying to show yourself as an object lesson in how to engineer your own personality extinction?
"The wages of sin is death." Romans 6:23
And, by the way, Jesus says your sins will be forgiven you if you forgive others. But you don't believe that either, do you?
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3/3/2016 2:21:52 AM |
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sail_dancer
Saint Petersburg, FL
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God is like a firm but fair boss---love Him, obey Him, and there is forgiveness for sin and rich rewards in Heaven. Refuse to love Him, refuse to obey Him, refuse to repent of sin---great unhappiness in this life, and Hell forever in the next.
Idiot!
What you have described is a dictator ..... not a fair boss.
You are sick in the head.
Peace
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3/3/2016 6:11:33 AM |
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irishrose0906
Dublin, OH
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Jesus also said Judge less you be judged, for how you judge another, you too shall be judged.
You seem to have created this image in your mind Lud, of God. And that is a graven image, that you worship. Why must you label God with your beliefs? Why can't you just love God unconditionally as God loves you? Instead you follow a church that teaches that separation from the body of God is necessary. The body of God is each person on this planet, not just the one's that believe as you do. Come full circle and become one, and stop with all the stumbling blocks.
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3/3/2016 11:57:13 AM |
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ludlowlowell
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Unless we remove ourselves from the Spirit of the world and follow the teachings of Christ, we cannot hope to save our souls.
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3/3/2016 12:59:04 PM |
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followjesusonly
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Unless we remove ourselves from the Spirit of the world and follow the teachings of Christ, we cannot hope to save our souls.
Here's one of the teachings of Christ:
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
According to you, if you don't follow it you cannot hope to save your soul.
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3/3/2016 3:45:57 PM |
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ludlowlowell
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Not everything Jesus said was meant to be taken literally. Do you know anyone who has literally plucked their eye out?
What in Scripture should be taken literally, and what not? True humble Christians turn to the Catholic Church's teaching authority.
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3/3/2016 8:50:58 PM |
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followjesusonly
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Not everything Jesus said was meant to be taken literally. Do you know anyone who has literally plucked their eye out?
What in Scripture should be taken literally, and what not? True humble Christians turn to the Catholic Church's teaching authority.
True humble Christians turn to Jesus' teaching authority and obey Jesus and don't argue with Him and look for ways to avoid doing what He clearly said to do. Humble yourself before Jesus. And no, Jesus is not your church or vice versa. That's complete insanity.
The Catholic church organization that you belong to has no teaching authority over anyone except you. If it did there wouldn't be 800 million Protestants standing against it. They refuse to be subject ever again to the abomination that is your church. Been there, done that. Your church with its claims of infallibility is just as insufferable as it was the day Martin Luther broke free of it. And just the other day you tried to convince kb to pray to Mary for a week. Sickening. It's beyond sickening, actually.
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3/3/2016 10:44:58 PM |
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followjesusonly
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How can you possibly have the nerve to speak with such a double tongue and say, "Unless we remove ourselves from the Spirit of the world and follow the teachings of Christ, we cannot hope to save our souls..."
And when you're challenged on it, when it's SHOWN that YOU DO NOT "follow the teachings of Christ," yourself, you dodge and say...
Not everything Jesus said was meant to be taken literally.
Here is how you can save your soul. Listen to Jesus and stop arguing with Him and contradicting Him at every turn:
...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)
"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 12:50)
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