I can talk you out of Christianity.

5/5/2016 9:14:54 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Yes, this is a bold statement. I honestly feel that many Christians can be talked out of their faith if they hear the best reasons for a more comprehensive understanding available to them. Do not be offended Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
5/5/2016 10:15:22 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	You cannot talk us out of what we love with all our hearts.
5/5/2016 10:34:57 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: You cannot talk us out of what we love with all our hearts. It does require a mind opened by wonder rather than a mind closed by belief. I totally understand that.
5/5/2016 10:36:48 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	I'm a Christian, OP. I am not offended by your thread topic. I am saved. FU
5/5/2016 10:44:18 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from cupocheer: I'm a Christian, OP. I am not offended by your thread topic. I am saved. FU FU?? Sounds like you might have been offended. Remember this Quote from Victor Frankl. "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space we have the power to choose our response and in our response we determine our growth and our freedom."
5/5/2016 10:46:32 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Sounds like you have your thoughts in the gutter, OP. FU --- Faithful Unity
5/5/2016 10:52:36 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from cupocheer: Sounds like you have your thoughts in the gutter, OP. FU --- Faithful Unity oh ...good, just never heard that expression before. FU usually means what we all know.
5/5/2016 2:22:58 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Fyathirio, just as an exercise, go ahead---attempt to talk me out of Christianity. (I was born in Savannah, by the way.) [Edited 5/5/2016 2:24:06 PM ]
5/5/2016 2:27:35 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: I'm a Christian, OP. I am not offended by your thread topic. I am saved. FU FU? Maybe she's making a pass at you, fyathyrio. Call her bluff. Set a time and place. Quote from fyathyrio: FU?? Sounds like you might have been offended. Remember this Quote from Victor Frankl. "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space we have the power to choose our response and in our response we determine our growth and our freedom."
5/5/2016 2:30:07 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Fyathirio, just as an exercise, go ahead---attempt to talk me out of Christianity. (I was born in Savannah, by the way.) You can't do it, Fyathirio. He won't listen. He refuses even to listen to and obey Jesus, so it's a sure bet he's not going to listen to anything you have to say.
5/5/2016 2:35:11 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from fyathyrio: oh ...good, just never heard that expression before. FU usually means what we all know. I don't see "Faithful Unity" on this list. Fu From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Look up fu, FU, Fu, -fu, or ? in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. Fu may refer to: Fu (surname), a common pronunciation for some Chinese surnames, such as ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, etc. Fu (poetry) (?), a Chinese genre of rhymed prose Fu (tally) (?), ancient Chinese item Fu (kana), a symbol in Japanese syllabaries Fu (country subdivision) (?), a country subdivision used in Japan, and previously in China, Korea and Vietnam Fu County, in Shaanxi, China Fu River (disambiguation), the name of several rivers in China (Fuhe, Fujiang, Fushui) Fu, Fasilitator Universiti, Universiti Putra Malaysia Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, a.k.a. Columbia School of Engineering and Applied Science Fu, Nepal Fu, a type of prepared wheat gluten in Japanese cuisine Fu, a type of ancient Chinese vessel Fu Manchu, a fictional character first featured in a series of novels by English author Sax Rohmer Fu Manchu moustache, a full mustache popularized by the character Fu Lu Shou (???), the concept of Prosperity (Fu), Status (Lu), and Longevity (Shou) in Chinese culture Fu (character) (?), meaning "fortune", "good luck", "blessing" or "happiness" in Chinese Marco Fu, Hong Kong snooker player Shaq Fu, video game FU, F.U., F U, or F u may refer to: Abbreviation of Follow-up Abbreviation of F**k You (disambiguation) Abbreviation of formula unit in chemistry FU, an alternate name for a standing fireman's carry takeover, now known as the Attitude Adjustment (AA) FU, a fixture unit, equal to a flow of one cubic foot of water per minute FU, a fibrinolytic unit, a dosage measure for the breakdown of fibrin FU, a functional unit (execution unit), part of a CPU that performs the operations and calculations Francis Urquhart, the main character in the novel House of Cards by Michael Dobbs and in the eponymous UK television series. Frank Underwood, the main character of the Netflix Original television series House of Cards. Felix Unger, one of the two main characters in The Odd Couple Vought FU, an American 1920s fighter aircraft Fed-Up Party, a joke political party ran by Ed the Sock during the Canadian federal election, 2011. Fairfield University, United States Finch University, United States Finlandia University, United States Fordham University, United States Forklift University, a forklift safety training centre in the United States Franklin University, United States Free University of Berlin, Germany Friends University, United States Furman University, United States Fuzhou University, Fuzhou, Fujian, China FU, a wrestling move used by John Cena. "FU" (song), a song by Miley Cyrus from her album Bangerz F.U. Don't Take It Personal, the debut studio album from American hip hop group Fu-Schnickens F.U. EP, an extended play musical recording by Gob
5/5/2016 4:18:05 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Cupocheer, maybe you need to spell out "faithful unity" from now on.
5/5/2016 7:32:22 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Fundamentally useless ? Functionally uneducated? Foundation unproven?
5/5/2016 7:38:52 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	If you non-Christians are going to talk us Christians out of our faith, a hint for you---personal insults won't work.
5/5/2016 7:55:22 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	I don't need to talk you out of your religion lud it has too much entertainment value.
5/5/2016 8:22:34 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Okay, Older gives up early on. Fyathirio, go ahead, give it your best shot.
5/5/2016 8:36:53 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Give up what lud ? where have I ever said I could/would/wanted to talk you out of your religion? All I have ever done is post verifiable facts for you to ignore.
5/5/2016 10:46:53 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: Okay, Older gives up early on. Fyathirio, go ahead, give it your best shot. Lud please understand that if I ask you a question and your answer is "The Bible says so" then I too have the right to answer your questions in a similar way which will go something like this>>> "My friend Lucy says this and she is always correct". So, can we agree to answer questions without making these claims?
5/5/2016 11:06:08 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 48, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from fyathyrio: Yes, this is a bold statement. I honestly feel that many Christians can be talked out of their faith if they hear the best reasons for a more comprehensive understanding available to them. Do not be offended The best reasons? You cannot reason with the mentally ill, delusional and stupid.
5/6/2016 7:58:42 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from fyathyrio: Lud please understand that if I ask you a question and your answer is "The Bible says so" then I too have the right to answer your questions in a similar way which will go something like this>>> "My friend Lucy says this and she is always correct". So, can we agree to answer questions without making these claims? These poor souls , only want to find souls to take their place . They want to believe that they're the ones in charge . Its just too bad , that the fiddle only plays , for those that can hear it .
5/6/2016 9:10:46 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 61, joined Jun. 2014	Those with eyes to see and ears to hear......
5/6/2016 9:26:42 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Fyathirio, Jesus Christ claimed to be God, and proved His claim with many miracles, and by the holiness of His life, the latter impressing me more than the former. This is why people have faith in Christ---they recognize his goodness and holiness, and the wisdom of His teachings. And when people begin to pray to Him and to develop a personal Prayer relationship with Him, they are changed. How do you intend to talk anybody out of that? "Oh, the universe made itself.". That is ridiculous. " Oh, the universe always existed". Where's the proof? "Oh, the human race evolved from other species". That's just a hypothesis---no proof. " Oh, other religions had God Incarnate and virgin births". So what? None of these fictitious characters lived the Holy life that Jesus did, or taught the wise things that He did. "Oh, much of the sermon on the mount had already been taught by others". But Jesus didn't just teach it, He lived it---more so than anyone before or since. " Oh, the miracle stories of the Gospels can't be true". The God Who made sex and childbirth in the first place can effect a virgin birth without taxing Himself. The God Who made water in the first place can walk ilon it or change it into wine without taxing Himself. The God Who made human eyesight in the first place can restore sight without taxing Himself. And the God Who created life in the first place can certainly rise from the dead without taxing Himself. If you can refute any of this, Fyathirio or others, go ahead. Hint to Nonstandard: spiritually-sounding nonsense won't work. Hint to Iyamwhutiam and Sail Dancer: personal insults won't work.
5/6/2016 10:07:11 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: Fyathirio, Jesus Christ claimed to be God, and proved His claim with many miracles, and by the holiness of His life, the latter impressing me more than the former. This is why people have faith in Christ---they recognize his goodness and holiness, and the wisdom of His teachings. And when people begin to pray to Him and to develop a personal Prayer relationship with Him, they are changed. How do you intend to talk anybody out of that? "Oh, the universe made itself.". That is ridiculous. " Oh, the universe always existed". Where's the proof? "Oh, the human race evolved from other species". That's just a hypothesis---no proof. " Oh, other religions had God Incarnate and virgin births". So what? None of these fictitious characters lived the Holy life that Jesus did, or taught the wise things that He did. "Oh, much of the sermon on the mount had already been taught by others". But Jesus didn't just teach it, He lived it---more so than anyone before or since. " Oh, the miracle stories of the Gospels can't be true". The God Who made sex and childbirth in the first place can effect a virgin birth without taxing Himself. The God Who made water in the first place can walk ilon it or change it into wine without taxing Himself. The God Who made human eyesight in the first place can restore sight without taxing Himself. And the God Who created life in the first place can certainly rise from the dead without taxing Himself. If you can refute any of this, Fyathirio or others, go ahead. Hint to Nonstandard: spiritually-sounding nonsense won't work. Hint to Iyamwhutiam and Sail Dancer: personal insults won't work. I'll start with the claim that Jesus said he was God. If that's how you interpret his words then I cant change your mind on that. Just be mindful that a different interpretation can be made. On the universe always existing let me say this....If you claim that the universe needed a creator because it just couldn't have happened by itself then you must extend that logic to the thing that created it. We can reconcile this by realizing that the universe may have always existed in some form. Furthermore, if you can believe in an eternal and separate God that created the universe then why not believe that the universe is eternal? Lud, I know I cant talk you out of Christianity. It was a provocative title for the thread on purpose to spark discussion. I'm a pantheist which means I think of God as the universe itself, as life, or even consciousness. I just think it makes more sense not to cleave to an understanding of God from the bronze age. In my view God is within each and every one of us. The idea that God is a "who" thing rather than a "what" thing is what I take issue with' I just hope that one day the human race stops murdering each other over differences in "who" they think God is. The problem isn't what you believe its what you think I ought to believe.
5/6/2016 11:19:32 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	"Before Abraham was ever made, I am." --Jesus (John 8:38) "Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Living God?" one of the Sanhedrin priests asked Jesus when He was on trial for His life. "I am, and you will see the Son of Man coming on clouds of glory", said Jesus in reply.
5/6/2016 1:39:46 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Before Abraham was ever made, I am." --Jesus (John 8:38) I WANT TO WARN EVERYONE THAT LUDLOW MAKES UP QUOTES FOR JESUS. HE HAS DONE THIS ALL ALONG AND HE'S DOING IT AGAIN ABOVE. JOHN 8:38 DOES NOT SAY WHAT LUDLOW HAS MADE UP. "Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Living God?" one of the Sanhedrin priests asked Jesus when He was on trial for His life. "I am, and you will see the Son of Man coming on clouds of glory", said Jesus in reply. AND IN THE ABOVE, LUDLOW DOESN'T EVEN BOTHER TO GIVE THE BOOK, CHAPTER, AND VERSE. HE JUST MAKES IT UP, PERHAPS FROM MEMORY, WE DON'T KNOW, AND THROWS IT OUT THERE.
5/6/2016 4:19:30 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
asanb Sanbornton, NH 61, joined Jul. 2012	"Jesus Christ was essentially a man of the East, and his teachings are imbued with oriental mysticism. It is even speculated that he spent many of his early years (on which the Gospels are silent) in India, and learned much from the Yogins and the Buddhist monks, in his travels from place to place. He perhaps even started his teachings right in India and may have had a foretaste of persecution from the Brahminical order and the so-called high class social circles for his catholicity of vision, for he did not believe in class barriers and preached the equality of man. (Cf. Nicholas Notovitch The Unknown Life of Christ, Chicago: Indo-American Book Co., 1894.) His contribution to the religious thought of the world may be seen in the emphasis he laid on the need for Universal love, and the Kingdom of God within man; the two cardinal principles known to the ancients long before, but forgotten and ignored in practice. Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the Prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. MATTHEW 5:17 Let us examine some of the pertinent sayings which reveal that Jesus was conversant with the ancient religious thought and practiced the Path of the Masters of the Audible Life Current, sayings which are often ignored or misconstrued by those studying his teachings today: The light of the body is the eye; if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness. MATTHEW 6: 22-23 Obviously, "the eye" refers to "the single eye" and the words "if thine eye be single," mean concentrated awareness within at the center between and at the back of the eyes. Again, the words "if thine eye be evil" refer to a state of mental dispersion without, as opposed to concentration within, and the result will certainly be "darkness"--darkness born of ignorance about the true and real values of life, for this is the greatest ill of the soul. St. Luke then sounds a note of warning when he says: Take heed therefore, that the light which is within thee be not darkness. LUKE 2:35 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light; and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. MATTHEW 10:27 Here are the words of advice from Jesus to his elect, the chosen few, viz., to carry to the people openly (in light) the significance of what they heard in "darkness," that is in secret meditation, and to tell of the divine melody that they heard in the ear by means of transcendental hearing." Kirpal Singh. The Crown of Life Being a Christian means that one is in connection with the inner light. Believing in Jesus, the bible, or the church doesn't make a Christian, or assure salvation. Jesus has left the scene, and he cannot make new disciples. You need to find someone living to be a disciple.
5/6/2016 8:00:12 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Before Abraham was ever made, I am." --Jesus (John 8:38) "Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Living God?" one of the Sanhedrin priests asked Jesus when He was on trial for His life. "I am, and you will see the Son of Man coming on clouds of glory", said Jesus in reply. I can only offer another interpretation. When I see that verse about Abraham I think it is a reference to reincarnation.
5/6/2016 8:27:12 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Who do you think re-incarnated? At John 8:38 the Pharisees knew what Jesus meant. In the very next verse they took up stones to stone Him----they assumed (correctly) that Jesus was claiming to be God, which they considered blasphemy, and had Jesus not really been God, it indeed would have been blasphemy. Also to be considered is the fact that all of Jesus' followers were calling Him "Lord", a title the Jews used almost exclusively for God. Jesus never corrected anyone over this.
5/6/2016 8:32:15 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
Stillherehaha AnchorenaQueensland Australia 70, joined Jun. 2015	Quote from fyathyrio: I can only offer another interpretation. When I see that verse about Abraham I think it is a reference to reincarnation. To find ones self--- I use to ask my hubby when alive --- Just tell me what to do--- and he would say I can't do that for you--- You decide Than he would laugh--- I am always the last person you would believe right? Like I got you Babe--- and we are 2 peas in a Pod--- Songs I got you Babe by Sonny & Cher& It don't matter to me by Bread
5/6/2016 8:46:38 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: Who do you think re-incarnated? At John 8:38 the Pharisees knew what Jesus meant. In the very next verse they took up stones to stone Him----they assumed (correctly) that Jesus was claiming to be God, which they considered blasphemy, and had Jesus not really been God, it indeed would have been blasphemy. Also to be considered is the fact that all of Jesus' followers were calling Him "Lord", a title the Jews used almost exclusively for God. Jesus never corrected anyone over this. It is just how I see it. To me, it sounds as if he suggesting that he was Abraham Do you dispute that everything written about Jesus was at least thirty years after his death?
5/6/2016 9:33:53 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)
5/7/2016 2:54:25 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	No, I don't dispute that. But Jesus did not say, I am Abraham. He said BEFORE Abraham was, I AM. Not, I was, but "I am"---all time is present to Him---He is claiming to be God.
5/7/2016 2:56:19 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: No, I don't dispute that. But Jesus did not say, I am Abraham. He said BEFORE Abraham was, I AM. Not, I was, but "I am"---all time is present to Him---He is claiming to be God. If you believe He really is God, why don't you obey Him?
5/7/2016 4:35:03 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: No, I don't dispute that. But Jesus did not say, I am Abraham. He said BEFORE Abraham was, I AM. Not, I was, but "I am"---all time is present to Him---He is claiming to be God. He was challenging the god of the day , and he spent his whole life doing it , he died for it . We don't follow jesus , we follow everything he hated .
5/7/2016 4:51:05 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: No, I don't dispute that. But Jesus did not say, I am Abraham. He said BEFORE Abraham was, I AM. Not, I was, but "I am"---all time is present to Him---He is claiming to be God. Isn't all time present for everybody? We may have thoughts of the past and the future, but in truth everybody lives in the "now". Everybody says or thinks "I am" millions if not billions of times in our lifetime. Your statement about Jesus not saying "I was" because all time is present to him does not sound like a claim to be God to me. I cannot deny you your interpretation however, It's just not how I interpret that. When Moses asked God "Who shall I say sent me?" God says tell them I am that I am Is the fact that we say/think "I am" more than any other words and is also the name God gives himself just a coincidence to you? To me, it is an indication that God is at the core of each and every one of us.
5/7/2016 6:52:41 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	I'm glad you brought that up --God told Moses to tell them "I am who am" sent them, in Hebrew, Yahweh. After that, Jews did their best to avoid saying "I am", if they possibly could. Then came Jesus, Who was saying " I am" all the time---I am the gate, I am the door, I am the good shepherd, etc., and the clincher, "Before Abraham was made, I am". If the Pharisees who heard Him didn't understand that He was claiming to be God, why did they try to stone Jesus after He said this?
5/7/2016 7:36:10 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	People are responsible for what they say not what others understand. Your argument that they thought he was claiming to be God does not prove he was. It only proves what they thought he was saying. If Jesus is God why didn't he just say it plainly and simply. "I am God" He never says that. Why do you think that is? [Edited 5/7/2016 7:39:24 AM ]
5/7/2016 8:25:16 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 48, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: If you non-Christians are going to talk us Christians out of our faith, a hint for you---personal insults won't work. I stated earlier as fact one cannot reason with the mentally ill, delusional and stupid. There is no way to talk anyone out of anything who's mind is already deteriorated. The irrational claims made by religion are personal insults to anyone with intelligence and morals. You have already been personally insulted long ago. Whether the cause is mental illness or a low IQ doesn't change the result that you're incapable of reasoning.
5/7/2016 8:27:35 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 48, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: I'm glad you brought that up --God told Moses to tell them "I am who am" sent them, in Hebrew, Yahweh. After that, Jews did their best to avoid saying "I am", if they possibly could. You don't actually know any Jews and you are that stupid to believe in such nonsense. The rest of your post only indicates a deteriorated mind deluded from reality and cannot use facts.
5/12/2016 6:01:17 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
2times2many Greenwood Lake, NY 31, joined Jan. 2014	Won't occur
5/12/2016 9:29:16 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from 2times2many: Won't occur God is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow . Those that want it to be true , will believe its true . Fact is , we're the pebbles in a puddle , get over it , all other life is splashing with excitement .
5/20/2016 7:15:35 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 48, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from nonstandard: God is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow . Those that want it to be true , will believe its true . Fact is , we're the pebbles in a puddle , get over it , all other life is splashing with excitement . And of course there is no pot of gold at the end the rainbow. Just ask any leprechaun.
5/20/2016 9:45:13 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from iyamwutiyam: And of course there is no pot of gold at the end the rainbow. Just ask any leprechaun. That leprechaun , just stole my wallet .
5/26/2016 9:15:24 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from fyathyrio: Isn't all time present for everybody? We may have thoughts of the past and the future, but in truth everybody lives in the "now". Everybody says or thinks "I am" millions if not billions of times in our lifetime. Your statement about Jesus not saying "I was" because all time is present to him does not sound like a claim to be God to me. I cannot deny you your interpretation however, It's just not how I interpret that. When Moses asked God "Who shall I say sent me?" God says tell them I am that I am Is the fact that we say/think "I am" more than any other words and is also the name God gives himself just a coincidence to you? To me, it is an indication that God is at the core of each and every one of us. He was proving that he was human . Everyone , that stood in his way , was proving they were not . A beast can kill a saint , and all of the gods in the world will rejoice .
5/27/2016 5:13:48 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: I'm glad you brought that up --God told Moses to tell them "I am who am" sent them, in Hebrew, Yahweh. After that, Jews did their best to avoid saying "I am", if they possibly could. Then came Jesus, Who was saying " I am" all the time---I am the gate, I am the door, I am the good shepherd, etc., and the clincher, "Before Abraham was made, I am". If the Pharisees who heard Him didn't understand that He was claiming to be God, why did they try to stone Jesus after He said this? If they said that I am the universe , no one would've gotten stoned . Saying that I am god , should get people stoned .
5/29/2016 7:59:45 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from fyathyrio: Yes, this is a bold statement. I honestly feel that many Christians can be talked out of their faith if they hear the best reasons for a more comprehensive understanding available to them. Do not be offended arl Sagan ""You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe.""""
5/29/2016 8:31:35 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 48, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from duchessa: arl Sagan ""You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe."""" Sagan was a genius but I think he could have said it slightly better: "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated compulsion to believe." The believer who believes in superstition does so for several reasons. What reasons are there to believe in such obvious nonsense? Mental weakness. Fear. Ignorance. Cognitive deficits. Intellectual deficits. Brainwashing. Mental illness. This is what we observe in varying degrees in intensity in those who believe in nonsense like astrology, crystals balls, christianity, islam, etc.
5/29/2016 3:38:27 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from iyamwutiyam: The believer who believes in superstition does so for several reasons. What reasons are there to believe in such obvious nonsense? Mental weakness. Fear. Ignorance. Cognitive deficits. Intellectual deficits. Brainwashing. Mental illness. This is what we observe in varying degrees in intensity in those who believe in nonsense like astrology, crystals balls, christianity, islam, etc. Wouldn't you also add a very selfish way to get rid of guilt? Yes, as in saying to themselves "I was wrong...but God will punish me as he see fit." IAW, the believer doesn't see any need to do anything to right a wrong.
5/29/2016 7:44:33 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
jester0011 Lake Waccamaw, NC 49, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from fyathyrio: Yes, this is a bold statement. I honestly feel that many Christians can be talked out of their faith if they hear the best reasons for a more comprehensive understanding available to them. Do not be offended well lets hear something valid
5/29/2016 8:59:04 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* So... how many have you talked out of Christianity so far?
5/29/2016 10:40:10 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 48, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from duchessa: Wouldn't you also add a very selfish way to get rid of guilt? Yes, as in saying to themselves "I was wrong...but God will punish me as he see fit." IAW, the believer doesn't see any need to do anything to right a wrong. Well, yeah. Christianity condemns you with guilt for something you didn't commit and then absolves you from personal responsibility for anything you may have actually done. That's the evil of Christianity. It creates mentally deranged people but also attracts them too.
5/30/2016 7:34:52 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from iyamwutiyam: Well, yeah. Christianity condemns you with guilt for something you didn't commit and then absolves you from personal responsibility for anything you may have actually done. That's the evil of Christianity. It creates mentally deranged people but also attracts them too. Do you think mankind will be out of this vermin before the XXI century is over?
5/30/2016 9:13:33 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 48, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from duchessa: Do you think mankind will be out of this vermin before the XXI century is over? It's dying now and will relegated to its rightful place in fiction and mythology sections in libraries and book stores everywhere.
5/30/2016 4:25:30 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 41, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from fyathyrio: Yes, this is a bold statement. I honestly feel that many Christians can be talked out of their faith if they hear the best reasons for a more comprehensive understanding available to them. Do not be offended Just review some scholars who translate the bible directly from Hebrew. In the original bible written in Hebrew is clearly staten that the entity they talk in the old testament is not God. Pretty much all religious books are a fraud. In Italy one of those scholars is Mauro Biglino, but I am sure there are American scholars saying the same thing as well. Just research it.
5/30/2016 9:08:01 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	In both testaments of the Bible people clearly ARE talking to God.
5/30/2016 11:28:06 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: In both testaments of the Bible people clearly ARE talking to God. Signs and Symptoms Symptoms of schizophrenia usually start between ages 16 and 30. In rare cases, children have schizophrenia too. The symptoms of schizophrenia fall into three categories: positive, negative, and cognitive. Positive symptoms: “Positive” symptoms are psychotic behaviors not generally seen in healthy people. People with positive symptoms may “lose touch” with some aspects of reality. Symptoms include: Hallucinations Delusions Thought disorders (unusual or dysfunctional ways of thinking) Movement disorders (agitated body movements)
5/31/2016 5:38:43 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 41, joined Jun. 2014	Sometimes to see things from a different prespective and consider new theories can be interesting and open our mental horizons. This is not a way to negate the existence of God, but the bible, according to scholars, have been misinterpreted. https://noeticdigest.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/anunnaki-and-the-bible-unexpected-links/
5/31/2016 4:46:25 PM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	No you can't.
6/3/2016 9:43:26 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Every newborn is greedy , that's how all creatures survive . Nothing is born good , it learns from its environment , we can teach them , but who taught us ? Who taught the people who taught us , and who taught them ? Everything we know , was taught to us , by the universe that surrounds us . There is no other way . Its bigger than us , and it creates everything that we see . Why create a whole new universe , to replace the one we already have , unless we're unhappy , and unfulfilled .
6/3/2016 10:04:03 AM	I can talk you out of Christianity.
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Everything we know , we learned , when we were content enough , to explore the world around us .

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