Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people

6/27/2016 6:38:58 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 69, joined Apr. 2010	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people Aboard the Papal Plane (CNN) — Pope Francis said Sunday that Christians owe apologies to gays and others who have been offended or exploited by the church, remarks that some Catholics hailed as a breakthrough in the church's tone toward homosexuality. "I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally," Francis said at a press conference aboard the papal plane returning from Armenia. "The Church must ask forgiveness for not behaving many times -- when I say the Church, I mean Christians! The Church is holy, we are sinners!" As he often does during unscripted moments -- particularly papal news conferences -- the Pope spoke expansively, saying the church should seek forgiveness for a number of historical slights committed in its name. "I believe that the church not only should apologize to the person who is gay whom it has offended," he added, "but has to apologize to the poor, to exploited women, to children exploited for labor; it has to ask forgiveness for having blessed many weapons." The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and editor at large of America magazine, called the Pope's apology to gays and lesbians "a groundbreaking moment." "While St. John Paul II apologized to several groups in 2000 -- the Jewish people, indigenous peoples, immigrants and women, among them -- no pope has ever come close to apologizing to the LGBT community. And the Pope is correct of course. First, because forgiveness is an essential part of the Christian life. And second, because no group feels more marginalized in the church today than LGBT people." The Pope's comments came in response to a question about a German Cardinal who said the Catholic Church should apologize for being "very negative" about gays. The Pope was also asked, by the same journalist, whether Christians bear some blame for hatred toward the LGBT community, as horrifically demonstrated in the Orlando massacre at a gay night club that killed 49 people on June 12. Repeating the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church about respecting and not discriminating against gays, Pope Francis said that one could condemn certain behavior. "One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior...Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no? "But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well." Francis first uttered that rhetorical question -- Who am I to judge gay people? -- in 2013, also during a news conference on the papal plane. His comments were hailed as a breakthrough for a church that has historically condemned homosexuality, often in harsh terms. Francis has not changed church doctrine that calls homosexual acts sinful, but he has shown a more merciful approach to people on the margins, including gays and lesbians. Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, a Catholic gay rights group, called the Pope's remarks "an immense blessing of healing." "No pope has said more welcoming words to LGBT people than when Pope Francis today offered his recommendation that the Church -- indeed all Christians -- should apologize for the harm religious traditions have caused to LGBT people. The pope's statement was simple, yet powerful, and it fell from his lips so easily." Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/world/pope-apologize-gays/ What say ye? Peace Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
6/27/2016 6:40:29 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 69, joined Apr. 2010	I can't wait to read Lud's comments on this topic. Peace
6/27/2016 7:30:28 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	I was thinking the same thing, Sail I wonder if he will "obey" his Papal Pappa???
6/27/2016 7:38:09 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	It will be some lud platitude as usual.
6/27/2016 7:40:44 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Platitudes and horse latitudes!!!! [Edited 6/27/2016 7:40:59 AM ]
6/27/2016 10:11:28 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Yes , Pope Francis is right. Driving one to suicide, is not suicide rather it is criminal negligence causing death. And how many souls have been driven to it, by hatred and exclusion? 100% agree with the Pope on this one.
6/27/2016 10:15:04 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	In fact I go farther. I think all those who DH posters who have started threads just to attack Gays in the name of Christ, should apologize. A true Christ Follower would not drive one group of people away.
6/27/2016 11:29:14 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014
6/27/2016 5:34:21 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Francis is not a very good pope. Who should apologize and repent? Homosexuals.
6/27/2016 6:09:19 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Maybe the pope should apologize for ol 2x4 up his rear ludlow the catholic nazi.
6/27/2016 6:17:49 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Finally it spews from his mouth, the Pope is not a very good Pope Why, so now you are not gonna behave to him, is that what you're saying, you SAID the Pope is infallible, were you lying??
6/27/2016 6:18:58 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: Francis is not a very good pope. Who should apologize and repent? Homosexuals. So NOW you know better than the infallible Pope Stop you're scaring me
6/27/2016 6:26:49 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from rufftreasure: So NOW you know better than the infallible Pope Stop you're scaring me Yea he is one of those Liberal new types. Sheesh, will not even allow water boarding Heretics . Bring back the good old days and the rack, eh, Lud?
6/27/2016 6:41:18 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	He's a seriously scewed individual, Dun. I wonder what his Parish priest says about ,Francis I wonder if his priest is influencing his disobedience, to his infallible Pope?
6/27/2016 7:19:19 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The pope is only infallible when he defines doctrine.
6/27/2016 7:32:27 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Lud would have made a good Grand Inquisitor during the inquisition, Ludlow Tomás de Torquemada.
6/27/2016 7:36:02 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Homosexual sex is against the natural law. Everybody knows in their gut that it is wrong and sick.
6/27/2016 9:54:41 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: Homosexual sex is against the natural law. Everybody knows in their gut that it is wrong and sick. No it;s not against natural law, if it were then why do monkeys, cattle, dogs, and dolphins do it? What you mean it was frowned upon by biblical authors.
6/27/2016 10:09:56 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: The pope is only infallible when he defines doctrine. Who the Hell are YOU, Pope Ludlowell
6/28/2016 3:46:50 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 69, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from rufftreasure: Who the Hell are YOU, Pope Ludlowell Who is he to make judgement on the Pope? This man is a very sick individual! Peace
6/28/2016 5:24:00 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 59, joined May. 2011	. Quote from ludlowlowell: Homosexual sex is against the natural law. Everybody knows in their gut that it is wrong and sick. I find most elements of Catholicism unnatural and sick. Namely the criminalization of humanity as morally damaged and requiring to expiate this flaw by pledging allegiance to a crucified man due to the Original Sin of a first human couple who never existed. There's lots of scope for unhealthy guilt and sado-masochistic fantasizing in those doctrines. The purportedly celibate men in skirts who pontificate to normal, sexually active people on how to conduct their sex lives is unnatural and sick, as is the underlying ideology that sex is evil and virginity is good. Making Jesus's mum a virgin before, during and after she gave birth to her sacrificial son is sick. I suspect such doctrines are motivated by vagina envy or a woman-hating ideology that sees males as pure and sexually active women as a threat to that purity. Jews believed that males created life and women were merely vessels by which the male creation is brought into the world. I think there's some of that psychology in the virgin birth fables and I'd welcome the Pope announcing that Jesus was born by entirely natural means and Mary probably had lots of sex with her horny old man husband. That would be really groundbreaking and good. [Edited 6/28/2016 5:25:45 AM ]
6/28/2016 6:50:03 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Yes clarencec, an announcement such as you have suggested, would be a great healing to the Catholic people, of course healing takes time.
6/28/2016 3:56:19 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	nat·u·ral law noun 1. a body of unchanging moral principles regarded as a basis for all human conduct. 2. an observable law relating to natural phenomena. "the natural laws of perspective" Just the fact that one is attracted to same gender, must be a natural phenomenon. No way a guy who is attracted to girls, is ever turned on by guys. Not once have I ever heard a straight person say, hey, that guy has a cute arse. Like, it just never happens. Its not like being tempted to have a beer, or tacos for supper. Like sure someone who hardly ever eats tacos, might get a strange craving for them once in a while. But Gay sex? Huh? What heterosexual ever says to them selves, man I am tired of breasts and Vaginas, maybe I will try a penis for change. Or, geez just for tonight more hair on the butt would be a nice change. Sorry that just does not happen. And in Nature there is a lot of same sex attraction. My Dad a Baptist deacon, had a Lesbian Cow once. He had her bred and she was a terrible Mother, he had to get another to take her place for the calf. Anyway he mentioned too bad, she was a well built cow, but he would have to cull her. I was gone for a year , and when I came back, went out to check how the herd was. I recognized her in the herd, and said to my Dad, oh you still have Steph( her name)?He laughed and said, yea, she was really useful. She was fantastic at finding out what Heffer was about to go into heat. She was hanging around them way before the Bull picked up the signs, and so my Dad would know and could isolate her with a Bull. Hey if a Baptist Deacon can see the natural law,{ as in attraction is natural}, in nature, any body can ! Attraction has to come from what is nature. Because it is a homonal [chemical)phenomenon.What attracts one, is natural law. [Edited 6/28/2016 3:56:51 PM ]
6/28/2016 4:26:59 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Sex is supposed to be about love, love of spouse, love of children, love of family, love of God. Sex outside of marriage, or sex within marriage using contraception, is not about love, it's about selfishness. That's why God has forbidden it, and that's why those who engage in these practices will lose their souls. Repentance of these sins is allowed and encouraged by God, and those who repent with their whole hearts and who turn to God will find forgiveness. Part of repenting of a sin is the giving up of that sin.
6/28/2016 6:00:11 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
m_gonzales San Antonio, TX 27, joined Sep. 2012	Lol. Well, I'm waiting. foot tap
6/28/2016 6:14:24 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
m_gonzales San Antonio, TX 27, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Sex is supposed to be about love, love of spouse, love of children, love of family, love of God. Sex outside of marriage, or sex within marriage using contraception, is not about love, it's about selfishness. That's why God has forbidden it, and that's why those who engage in these practices will lose their souls. How many wives did Saul have again? And for sex being all about love to God, he sure seems pretty angry about gay sex and oddly tolerant of this: Numbers 31:15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16“They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but keep for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Or perhaps this one? As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. So gay sex is a no-no, but war booty is okay? Yes. Clearly love is what's on God's mind.
6/28/2016 6:55:10 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Sex is supposed to be about love, love of spouse, love of children, love of family, love of God. Sex outside of marriage, or sex within marriage using contraception, is not about love, it's about selfishness. That's why God has forbidden it, and that's why those who engage in these practices will lose their souls. Repentance of these sins is allowed and encouraged by God, and those who repent with their whole hearts and who turn to God will find forgiveness. Part of repenting of a sin is the giving up of that sin. Be careful Lud, a Trans gendered person might not tell you until after you are married. But do not worry if a surprise stands up, its about love ! [Edited 6/28/2016 6:55:45 PM ]
6/28/2016 7:52:45 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014
6/28/2016 8:06:57 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Lud thinks he is god. Doesn't the bible say that god is the judge not men ? If you don't like homosexaulity don't do it, pretty simple concept actually. Hating your fellow men isn't very christ like.
6/28/2016 8:24:30 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 59, joined May. 2011	. Quote from ludlowlowell: Sex is supposed to be about love, love of spouse, love of children, love of family, love of God. Sex outside of marriage, or sex within marriage using contraception, is not about love, it's about selfishness. That's why God has forbidden it, and that's why those who engage in these practices will lose their souls. Sex is about whatever it's about to the two people concerned. It isn't about what some child molester or child molester protecting priest thinks it's about, or what you think it's about. And people who actually live in the real world and have sex (probably not you) have every right to enjoy the pleasure and intimacy of sex without the worry of producing unwanted children. So your and the Catholic Church's condemnation of contraception is out of line. And I'm sure that Catholic women and families in free democratic countries realize this and ignore your religion's ignorant directives. It's in developing countries like the Phillipines where your religion has the power to interfere with government policies and ruin people's lives with its misguided doctrines and condemn women and families into having more children than they can afford to feed and house. Personally, I take a dim view of this, and think that if all religious extremists like yourself were drowned at birth the beneficial net effect on the sum of human wellbeing would probably be enough justification for this minor sacrifice of human life. [Edited 6/28/2016 8:27:06 PM ]
6/28/2016 9:21:06 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014
6/29/2016 2:30:04 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 62, joined Dec. 2014	The Pope should apologize to the world, for promoting that insane religious doctrine.
6/29/2016 3:41:53 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 69, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from Yasureoktoo: The Pope should apologize to the world, for promoting that insane religious doctrine. Peace
7/10/2016 2:14:04 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ladyseekinggent New Milford, NJFreiland Austria 37, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Homosexual sex is against the natural law. Everybody knows in their gut that it is wrong and sick. Natural law= male + female = child. Childbearing is not a requirement. You don't have to have a baby these days. Being happy = whatever your heart desires that brings upon inner peace, a smile and does not harm those around you. Gay people are not harming anyone. So what if a male choses to be intimate with another male and a female with another female. And as far as 'having children naturally' which I think is the fundamental reason why haters exist, adoption exists, surrogate mothers exist and artificial insemination exists. The breakthroughs in science outweigh natural child-bearing. The only issue I have about this concern is when transgenders go all the way and surgically remove their child-bearing rights. It must be terrible to think a person was born the wrong sex---and what they must go through to feel normal. But Sex is not only for child-bearing it is also for pleasure. This dual reality of child-bearing viewed as godly but the means to which a child naturally arrives [that is through the act of sex] is considered a sin. Being a good and effective parent is one thing. Having sex for pleasure is something different. I don't think it is right to remove this privilege from anyone even the gay people. Would you want to have this privilege [sex for pleasure] taken away from you legally or by religious creed?
7/10/2016 2:29:41 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ladyseekinggent: Natural law= male + female = child. Childbearing is not a requirement. You don't have to have a baby these days. Being happy = whatever your heart desires that brings upon inner peace, a smile and does not harm those around you. Gay people are not harming anyone. So what if a male choses to be intimate with another male and a female with another female. And as far as 'having children naturally' which I think is the fundamental reason why haters exist, adoption exists, surrogate mothers exist and artificial insemination exists. The breakthroughs in science outweigh natural child-bearing. The only issue I have about this concern is when transgenders go all the way and surgically remove their child-bearing rights. It must be terrible to think a person was born the wrong sex---and what they must go through to feel normal. But Sex is not only for child-bearing it is also for pleasure. This dual reality of child-bearing viewed as godly but the means to which a child naturally arrives [that is through the act of sex] is considered a sin. Being a good and effective parent is one thing. Having sex for pleasure is something different. I don't think it is right to remove this privilege from anyone even the gay people. Would you want to have this privilege [sex for pleasure] taken away from you legally or by religious creed? and it is their business, not mine. [Edited 7/10/2016 2:30:05 PM ]
7/10/2016 3:32:55 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 45, joined Jul. 2013	Quote from ladyseekinggent: Natural law= male + female = child. Childbearing is not a requirement. You don't have to have a baby these days. Being happy = whatever your heart desires that brings upon inner peace, a smile and does not harm those around you. Gay people are not harming anyone. So what if a male choses to be intimate with another male and a female with another female. And as far as 'having children naturally' which I think is the fundamental reason why haters exist, adoption exists, surrogate mothers exist and artificial insemination exists. The breakthroughs in science outweigh natural child-bearing. The only issue I have about this concern is when transgenders go all the way and surgically remove their child-bearing rights. It must be terrible to think a person was born the wrong sex---and what they must go through to feel normal. But Sex is not only for child-bearing it is also for pleasure. This dual reality of child-bearing viewed as godly but the means to which a child naturally arrives [that is through the act of sex] is considered a sin. Being a good and effective parent is one thing. Having sex for pleasure is something different. I don't think it is right to remove this privilege from anyone even the gay people. Would you want to have this privilege [sex for pleasure] taken away from you legally or by religious creed? This is a really, really, really stupid post on so many levels. Like MEGA STUPID.
7/10/2016 5:36:30 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 59, joined May. 2011	. Quote from blake6972: This is a really, really, really stupid post on so many levels. Like MEGA STUPID. I thought the post had merit in the thoughts expressed that sex is not solely for the purpose of procreation as militant religious fundamentalists would contend but is also for pleasure, and I would add for people of homosexual orientation to express love for each other. Human sexuality does not resemble the simple pattern of a single suite of correct behaviours centred on procreation as envisaged by religious fundamentalists who get their ideas from intelligent but relatively unenlightened ancient writers but is far more complex and nuanced. [Edited 7/10/2016 5:37:51 PM ]
7/10/2016 6:13:02 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: Yes , Pope Francis is right. Driving one to suicide, is not suicide rather it is criminal negligence causing death. And how many souls have been driven to it, by hatred and exclusion? 100% agree with the Pope on this one. If you had seen the Pope playing soccer on the beach...as I saw him many summers...you will understand why he wants Christians to apologize to gays....LOL
7/10/2016 6:21:25 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
duchessa Yonkers, NY 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from ludlowlowell: Sex outside of marriage is not about love, it's about selfishness. n. The more I read your posts the more you convince me you are a PAJERO lolllllllllll
7/10/2016 8:06:17 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	This is a really, really, really stupid post on so many levels. Like MEGA STUPID. And it is really , really, really dumb to make such claims and not back it up. Like, dumb meets moron on steroids dumb. There was nothing she said that was not reasonable. People have sex for reasons other than procreation. In fact most babies are a result of passion, and not planned for. And what she said was true. Two gays having sex in private, has zero affect on any one else. Unless you like to peek through the window maybe? World is having all kinds of problems and what do these guys worry about and get out raged about? Two Lesbians kissing some where. Now that is really, really, really stupid. [Edited 7/10/2016 8:06:41 PM ]
7/10/2016 10:16:37 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Homosexual sex is a corruption of God's plan and is one of the sins crying out to Heaven for justice.
7/10/2016 10:45:49 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014
7/10/2016 10:55:02 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: Homosexual sex is a corruption of God's plan and is one of the sins crying out to Heaven for justice. You are not god lud as much as you would like to dictate doctrine, you should leave that to your god.
7/10/2016 11:26:51 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ladyseekinggent New Milford, NJFreiland Austria 37, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Homosexual sex is a corruption of God's plan and is one of the sins crying out to Heaven for justice. No offense, but what we know as God's plan was written by a man not God. Instead of claiming what is right and what is wrong, we should instead consider what is evil and what is good. What is right to you may be wrong to someone else and what you view as wrong may be viewed as you being evil to someone else.
7/10/2016 11:57:14 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from olderthandirt20: You are not god lud as much as you would like to dictate doctrine, you should leave that to your god. Okay, fair enough, let's do see what God has to say on the subject. "Man shall not lie with man as with woman." --Leviticus 18:22 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." --Matthew 5:8 [Edited 7/11/2016 12:00:45 AM ]
7/11/2016 12:07:00 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ladyseekinggent New Milford, NJFreiland Austria 37, joined Aug. 2010	I remember once upon a time....I sat in a classroom vegitating and degenerating because my freedom of thought was removed and my mouth was zipped shut...I did nothing but followed all of the rules....and believe it or not I was suffering grandeously while watching others doing what they wanted in the classroom...then one day....a teacher told me 'why do you never use independent thinking and judgement?' And it was then that I realized my own sufferings.... Don't live in fear that God will condemn you....2000 some odd years ago these rules were established.....it is 2016....and Some of the rules [maybe many] don't make sense anymore....why should we have to follow them....especially if all we do is suffer
7/11/2016 2:40:56 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Especially because these rules/laws were given to, or made up by the Jewish people whose God / or them, must have been a picky bunch. So picky, that they shucked the whole OT and replaced it with the new covenant.
7/11/2016 8:51:29 AM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Okay, fair enough, let's do see what God has to say on the subject. "Man shall not lie with man as with woman." --Leviticus 18:22 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." --Matthew 5:8 Why is that so many Christians only fixate on Gays? The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination: Unclean things (Lev. 7:21) Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30) Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3) Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1) Cheating (Mic. 6:10) Lost souls (Rev. 21:8) A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20) A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17) A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22) Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17) A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18) Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18) A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19) A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19) Wickedness (Pro. 8:7) A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1) Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27) The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9) The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26) The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5) Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15) Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15) Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23) Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10) Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9) Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9) Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18) Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) See GayPrejudice.com Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26) Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17) Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1) Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12) Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See GayPrejudice.com Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18) Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4) Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16) Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15) Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5) Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13) Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13) Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13) Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17) Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35) Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13) Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13) Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30) Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15) Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5) What are abominations according to the Bible? richardwaynegarganta.com/abomination.htm Like really, what drives them crazy in hate when it comes to Gays? If Gay sex bothers you, then shut off the Gay porn, do not hang around Gay dances, quit peeking in their windows. Maybe that will help?
7/11/2016 1:26:36 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Like really, what drives them crazy in hate when it comes to Gays? If Gay sex bothers you, then shut off the Gay porn, do not hang around Gay dances, quit peeking in their windows. Maybe that will help? What I find amazing is that out of all the christians in the world only people like lud "knows what gods plan is" most christians will tell they don't know but the ludlows always know exactly what god thinks, that's amazing.
7/11/2016 4:37:15 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	All I know is what the Catholic Church, down through the centuries, has taught. The only way to really understand God or to get close to God, to God's mind and God's plans, is to become a Catholic. Of course merely attending the classes and being baptized isn't enough---one must become a fervent Catholic, a Catholic with one's whole heart. Jesus said, in the book of Revelation, that He would spew the lukewarm out of His mouth.
7/11/2016 5:31:24 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: All I know is what the Catholic Church, down through the centuries, has taught. The only way to really understand God or to get close to God, to God's mind and God's plans, is to become a Catholic. Of course merely attending the classes and being baptized isn't enough---one must become a fervent Catholic, a Catholic with one's whole heart. Jesus said, in the book of Revelation, that He would spew the lukewarm out of His mouth. What about those with comprehension problems, such as yourself??? Will you be spit from the mouth,Lud for disobedience, or doesn't that equate with Luke warm??
7/11/2016 7:17:46 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	We all know from the natural law, and from our own common sense, that homosexual sex is an evil perversion. Homosexuals can find forgiveness for their sins if they repent of their whole hearts and make a good Confession.
7/11/2016 7:25:12 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: All I know is what the Catholic Church, down through the centuries, has taught. The only way to really understand God or to get close to God, to God's mind and God's plans, is to become a Catholic. Of course merely attending the classes and being baptized isn't enough---one must become a fervent Catholic, a Catholic with one's whole heart. Jesus said, in the book of Revelation, that He would spew the lukewarm out of His mouth. Yea, yea. And so do the SDA, Jehova Witnesses , Mormons and Toungue speakers claim they and only they are the true church that "Jesus " started. Well if Jesus came to start one of them, and planned on sending any non members to Hell for eternity then he would have said so. But none of these exclusive clubs were even mentioned by him! Pretty sure he would have replaced the temple when it was damaged, with a new one named the Holy Catholic Church on it, if all he came to do was to start it. But he did not. You think Jesus came and died, just to start the church of Rome? Why did he dies in Jerusalem then and not, Rome? Why did he not say that after he came back frm the dead? He was a Carpenter, why did he not actually build a Catholic Church? If Jesus started the Catholic church, why did he not write the catechisms? Why did he not tell people? And if Salvation only comes from the Catholic church, why did he say he came to save the world, but then leave millions who lived where no Catholic church even existed or was known about? Man, what a lousy plan. Came to start a Roman Catholic church so people could bee saved, but then left the vast majority with out one for centuries in some cases ! All you who claim only your Church is the one where one can find Salvation, or the "remnant " ones, lack any logic. And you make Jesus look like an idiot. [Edited 7/11/2016 7:26:57 PM ]
7/11/2016 8:00:35 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Paul is the only apostle who addressed homosexuality, isn't he, LUD? And we all know by now that Paul said all lot of things that the other Christian apostles didn't teach that Jesus did teach, don't be? Paul did warn about homosexuality but then turned around immediately and said, "But God saves (not the pope) and can save and sanctify homosexuals." Didn't he, LUD? So what is the Catholic Church doctrine on homosexual and child rapist priests, LUD? Has the pope has them recite some Hail Mary's and sent them off to day camp?
7/11/2016 8:20:42 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 69, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: We all know from the natural law, and from our own common sense, that homosexual sex is an evil perversion. Homosexuals can find forgiveness for their sins if they repent of their whole hearts and make a good Confession. You are a very sick individual, Lud. Peace
7/11/2016 8:52:36 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Common sense, folks, common sense. Homosexual sex is an evil perversion of the love and family life the Lord intended. The homosexual should not despair, however. If he repents and turns to the Lord with his whole heart, God will forgive him.
7/11/2016 9:37:54 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Common sense, folks, common sense. Homosexual sex is an evil perversion of the love and family life the Lord intended. The homosexual should not despair, however. If he repents and turns to the Lord with his whole heart, God will forgive him. Not just "him" is it, LUD? Females can be homosexual, can't they?
7/11/2016 10:42:41 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Of course, Cupocheer. I meant the "him" as generic. The Good Lord Jesus Christ is perfectly willing to forgive any truly repentant sinner, be they male or female.
7/11/2016 10:44:08 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	You're hedging, LUD. Answer the question. And don't say you did, because you didn't. [Edited 7/11/2016 10:44:33 PM ]
7/11/2016 11:37:54 PM	Pope says Christians should apologize to gay people
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Cupocheer, you know good and well I know that women can be homosexuals. What kind of question is that?

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