I had what looked like a book typed out, both times.
At the last minute I decided I was not ready to start my own threads.
There's way to many arguments going on and I'd rather just read and post only from time to time.

Harmony Grove is where I attend, that's also where I seen you.
You and what looked like maybe your wife and daughter was singing that night.

There are Bible verses that do imply all are saved.

John 17:2-3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

2 according as Thou didst give to him authority over all flesh, that -- all that Thou hast given to him -- he may give to them life age-during;
3 and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ;

Above we read that all flesh is given to Jesus. And in the following verse we read that all that is given to Jesus, will come to him, and none will be rejected.

John 6:37 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

37 all that the Father doth give to me will come unto me; and him who is coming unto me, I may in no wise cast without,

How else can this be interpreted other than "all"?

Some verses imply all will be saved, other verses say there is a Hell, and at least one passage says that the majority go to Hell. And yet all these verses are in the Bible! What are we to do?

In cases like this we have to go to the teaching authority of the Church, the Catholic Church, the entity that put the Bible together in the first place, the "pillar and ground of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15). The Church teaches that not all will be saved, only those who are in the state of grace when they die. In the parable of the wise and foolish virgins, the foolish virgins lacked oil (the state of grace) and were shut out. In another parable the people not properly suited in wedding garments (a metaphor for the state of grace) were shut out.

Some verses imply all will be saved, other verses say there is a Hell, and at least one passage says that the majority go to Hell. And yet all these verses are in the Bible! What are we to do?

In cases like this we have to go to the teaching authority of the Church, the Catholic Church, the entity that put the Bible together in the first place, the "pillar and ground of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15). The Church teaches that not all will be saved, only those who are in the state of grace when they die. In the parable of the wise and foolish virgins, the foolish virgins lacked oil (the state of grace) and were shut out. In another parable the people not properly suited in wedding garments (a metaphor for the state of grace) were shut out.

Matthew 7:14 says that only a few will take the narrow road to Heaven and that most will take the broad way to Hell.

Matthew 7:14 says that only a few will take the narrow road to Heaven and that most will take the broad way to Hell.

Those who die without the state of grace, which is the spiritual life and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, go to Hell forever.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me."

--Jesus

All are offered salvation, but few are willing to give up their sins and repent and persevere. And if there is no teaching authority of the Church there is no Bible, because the teaching authority put the Bible together in the first place, at the Council of Hippo in 393 a.d.

Yes loopy, ( I hope you don't mind, it sounded catchy)
Yes, a comment you made caught my attention.
So I went back through some post you had made and read some things you had said.

Now, also here is bigd, I also went and read the thread "all is all is all"

If you had asked me this question two days ago, "does all mean all" without hesitation I would have said yes

But I disagree with both loopy and bigd

Loopy of course says ALL those things would be fulfilled in their generation.
And even though he provided scripture that said those very words, I have to ask how so?
Where is the temple he is reigning from?
Where is he?
When did the mount of Olives split in two and other things that were told to come.

So does all mean all?

Then we have the thread bigd suggested.
In it the claim is made that "all Mankind would be saved"
Scripture was also given for that.
But how many verses do we know of that say otherwise?
"straight is the way and narrow the way, and few there be that find it"
Not all are allowed inside the city "for without are wh*remongers, liars, and adulterers"
These are not exact quotes, but they do give the impression not all will be saved.
So, does all mean all?

Loopy, you call yourself a baptists, and to my knowledge and understanding, baptist don't teach that everyone will be saved.
But you did say, all means all, so is it only when it when it proves your point that all means all? Or do you also believe all means all, and all will be saved?

I'll reverse the question to you also bigd,
You believe all means all, and that all will be saved,
Why do you not believe that all things would be fulfilled in that generation?
Or have I misunderstood you and you do?

I personally am going to have to look into it much more than I have.
Because like I said, I didn't agree with either point made, but I did believe all meant all, all of the time and not just sometimes.

I've never had the verses loopy gave, nor the ones bigd gave, used to present what they were saying.

Quote from compassionateon... Then we have the thread bigd suggested.
In it the claim is made that "all Mankind would be saved"
Scripture was also given for that.
But how many verses do we know of that say otherwise?

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How many verses that say otherwise? None.

That's right, there aren't any.

But these questions are much more complex than you are giving them credit for.

So I will wait til I hear from you. Can you give me a verse or two that says all mankind will not be saved? I am hoping you will not give me too much at once. I still have my duties here.

I can give you 100 that say all mankind will be saved.

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Quote from compassionateon... I'll reverse the question to you also bigd,
You believe all means all, and that all will be saved,
Why do you not believe that all things would be fulfilled in that generation?
Or have I misunderstood you and you do?

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After a long rivalry loopy and I are talking about this. I am hoping that we will be able to continue to talk about this. Perhaps you can follow some of these conversations.

You do know that loopy, isna, and another guy you probably haven't seen post here lately (mindya) are all preterists. Do you know what that is?

Preterists come in two flavors. The ones that beleive that all the prophicies in the Bible have already been fuilfilled. They think we are living on the New Earth now. The second group are those preterists that beleive only certain of the prophecies have been fulfilled.

I agree it is more complex.

But what are we to think of these few verses,

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The words do not say, "all will not be saved" but they do tell us not all will find life.

Am I wrong in thinking "having life and being saved" are the same thing?

The same book and chapter
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What about these that are told to depart?

in your thread "all is all" you said something like this, "every one would be saved, but maybe not in the same way"

What do you mean by that?

Isna thinks His is too much of a weak marshmallow milquetoast to send anyone to Hell.

It is true that religions are overly strict about what is or isn't a sin. It is true that some overly scrupulous people make obeying the ten commandments harder than it is. And it is impossible to obey all the commandments without God's grace. But with God's grace it is possible and doable.

I personally don't want to burn anybody. But Jesus made it crystal clear that unrepentant sinners would burn in Hell forever.

We can believe what we wish was true or we can believe what the Lord said was true.

Isna thinks His is too much of a weak marshmallow milquetoast to send anyone to Hell.

It is true that religions are overly strict about what is or isn't a sin. It is true that some overly scrupulous people make obeying the ten commandments harder than it is. And it is impossible to obey all the commandments without God's grace. But with God's grace it is possible and doable.

I personally don't want to burn anybody. But Jesus made it crystal clear that unrepentant sinners would burn in Hell forever.

We can believe what we wish was true or we can believe what the Lord said was true.

Isna thinks His is too much of a weak marshmallow milquetoast to send anyone to Hell.

It is true that religions are overly strict about what is or isn't a sin. It is true that some overly scrupulous people make obeying the ten commandments harder than it is. And it is impossible to obey all the commandments without God's grace. But with God's grace it is possible and doable.

Matthew 13-14 means that few will accept "life" (thru Jesus Christ) and many who do not accept "life" will be separated from God. [literal translation]

It is my greatest fear that I have.


But a weak marshmellow?

Why is it considered "weak" that I do not want my buddy down the street to be burned, for ever and ever? Or my family members? My ex?

And even my enemies?

Why is that "weak"?

Is it strong to want people to go to Hell, for eternity?

Tell me lud, who and what groups do you want to burn for ever and ever.

Why are you "strong " and I am a "weak marshmellow"? Just because I do not want friends, loved ones and even enemies to burn for ever and ever. Come on, tell me tough guy living in a safe zone.

Jesus couldn't have cried over the Catholic church. At least not when He was here.

The Catholic church started in 1054. That's about 1000 years after Jesus left.