Jesus versus Ludlow

10/10/2016 5:40:20 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* ********************************************************************* Jesus says: "If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Mat 6:14) But ludlowlowell says: "God does not forgive everyone who forgives others." ********************************************************************** Who should we believe? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
10/10/2016 5:42:21 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Let's play cherry-pick-the-scriptures! This week's champion, FJO.
10/10/2016 6:10:51 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	*
10/10/2016 6:11:57 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Let's play cherry-pick-the-scriptures! This week's champion, FJO. You have no defense. You are the Emperor who has no clothes. And everyone can see it except for you.
10/10/2016 9:43:08 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	ludlow will lose. The Catholic church lies and so does lud-perv.
10/11/2016 3:50:47 AM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Who should we believe, Jesus or Ludlow? Jesus says: "If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Mat 6:14) Ludlow says: "God does not forgive everyone who forgives others."
10/11/2016 5:14:56 AM	Jesus versus Ludlow
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	If Charles Manson forgave all his enemies, but never repented himself of his own crimes, would God forgive him and let him into Heaven? If Annas, Caiphas, and Pontius Pilate forgave all their enemies, but still put Jesus to death, and still refused to believe in Him, would God let them into Heaven? If Adolf Hitler forgave the Jews, but still used his eugenics theory to gas handicapped children, and never repented, would God let Hitler into Heaven? Forgiveness of others is only one thing we have to have to get to Heaven. We also mist have faith, hope, charity, humility, purity, and repentace, and we must be born again. Jesus said so.
10/11/2016 1:14:37 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from followjesusonly... Who should we believe, Jesus or Ludlow? Jesus says: "If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Mat 6:14) Ludlow says: "God does not forgive everyone who forgives others." ********************************************************************************** Let's see... Jesus......ludlow-perv Jesus......ludlow-perv Jesus......ludlow-perv Jesus......ludlow-perv I choose Jesus. The Catholic church lies and so does lud-perv.
10/11/2016 1:21:59 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... If Charles Manson forgave all his enemies, but never repented himself of his own crimes, would God forgive him and let him into Heaven? If Annas, Caiphas, and Pontius Pilate forgave all their enemies, but still put Jesus to death, and still refused to believe in Him, would God let them into Heaven? If Adolf Hitler forgave the Jews, but still used his eugenics theory to gas handicapped children, and never repented, would God let Hitler into Heaven? Forgiveness of others is only one thing we have to have to get to Heaven. We also mist have faith, hope, charity, humility, purity, and repentace, and we must be born again. Jesus said so. ********************************************************************************** Charlie Manson will be judged, just like you will. You concern yourself way too much with the judgment of others. You need to worry more about your own judgment. CLV Jn 3:13 And no one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven. CLV Jn 8:23 He said, then, to them, "You are of that which is below; I am of that which is above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. The Catholic church lies and so does lud-perv.
10/11/2016 2:25:20 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: If Charles Manson forgave all his enemies, but never repented himself of his own crimes, would God forgive him and let him into Heaven? If Annas, Caiphas, and Pontius Pilate forgave all their enemies, but still put Jesus to death, and still refused to believe in Him, would God let them into Heaven? If Adolf Hitler forgave the Jews, but still used his eugenics theory to gas handicapped children, and never repented, would God let Hitler into Heaven? Forgiveness of others is only one thing we have to have to get to Heaven. We also mist have faith, hope, charity, humility, purity, and repentace, and we must be born again. Jesus said so. We're not talking about "get to Heaven" here. We're talking about being forgiven. "If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Mat 6:14) Nothing about getting to heaven in that verse. You are trying to change the subject. You're trying to conflate the issue with your confusion. The issue is this: Jesus says: "If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Mat 6:14) But you say: "God does not forgive everyone who forgives others. God forgives repentant sinners only. All others He punishes very severely." Either Jesus is wrong, or YOU are wrong. You deliberately contradict God, and not so cleverly try to change the subject to the matter of getting to heaven. As far as your three hypothetical "IF" questions above go, those are for God to answer, and if you want to talk about them I suggest you start your own thread. This thread is about your disagreement with God concerning being forgiven.
10/11/2016 2:30:35 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: If Charles Manson forgave all his enemies, but never repented himself of his own crimes, would God forgive him and let him into Heaven? If Annas, Caiphas, and Pontius Pilate forgave all their enemies, but still put Jesus to death, and still refused to believe in Him, would God let them into Heaven? If Adolf Hitler forgave the Jews, but still used his eugenics theory to gas handicapped children, and never repented, would God let Hitler into Heaven? You'll have to ask God. In any case, your "get to heaven" stuff is off topic on this thread. This thread is about what YOU say versus what God says regarding being forgiven. Forgiveness of others is only one thing we have to have to get to Heaven. We also mist have faith, hope, charity, humility, purity, and repentace, and we must be born again. Jesus said so. Off topic, and no, you're not right about that either. All we have to do is love God and love our fellow man. Satan must be the driving force causing you to publicly rebuke and contradict God at every turn. ...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25) "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)
10/11/2016 4:16:31 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	When it comes to God, being forgiven and getting into Heaven are the same thing.
10/11/2016 4:30:52 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: When it comes to God, being forgiven and getting into Heaven are the same thing. No they're not. Everything is "the same thing" with you. Jesus says you will get into heaven if you love God and love your fellow man. Nothing about forgiveness, repentance, penance, Hell or Purgatory there. Start your own thread about getting into heaven. This thread is about what Jesus said concerning forgiveness versus your contradiction of what Jesus said. And you did contradict Jesus, blatantly:
10/11/2016 4:59:12 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* What possesses you to contradict God the way you do, and to add your own part to what God says? It almost has to be Satan doing that. Maybe you are possessed. Isn't there some sort of ceremony a priest can do over you to get rid of that demon? You savor of Satan and you do evil, as pope Francis says.
10/11/2016 8:31:44 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlow... When it comes to God, being forgiven and getting into Heaven are the same thing. ************************************************************************************* That's not what Jesus said... CLV Jn 3:13 And no one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven. CLV Jn 8:23 He said, then, to them, "You are of that which is below; I am of that which is above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. This is what we call "cherry-picking" the Scriptures. ignoring that parts we don't like. ludlow doesn't want to hear that he is not going to heaven anytime soon. Is that why he lies about what I say so much? The Catholic church lies and so does lud-perv.
10/12/2016 5:17:19 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Your auote is true but incomplete. Yes, Jesus said, at yhe verse you cited, that we must forgive enemies, but elsewhere He says we have to also take Communion, be born again, be pure, keep all the commandments, help the poor, and refrain from personal insults. Why do you ignore those verses?
10/12/2016 5:42:07 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Your auote is true but incomplete. Yes, Jesus said, at yhe verse you cited, that we must forgive enemies, but elsewhere He says we have to also take Communion, be born again, be pure, keep all the commandments, help the poor, and refrain from personal insults. Why do you ignore those verses? He doesn't say anything about "enemies" in the verse I cited. You just made that up and added it to Jesus, just now. And no, Jesus never said we had to "take communion," or "be born again, be pure, keep all the commandments, help the poor, and refrain from personal insults," in order to be forgiven. You are drifting farther into cosmic insanity with your twisting of reality and the scriptures. Mind disruption is what The Urantia Book calls it and it's caused by trying to serve two masters.
10/12/2016 8:49:34 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... Your auote is true but incomplete. Yes, Jesus said, at yhe verse you cited, that we must forgive enemies, but elsewhere He says we have to also take Communion, be born again, be pure, keep all the commandments, help the poor, and refrain from personal insults. Why do you ignore those verses? **************************************************************************** ludlow has never actually been able to establish these additions to the Yoke of Christ. More of ludlow's man-made rules. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
10/13/2016 10:01:32 AM	Jesus versus Ludlow
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus did say those things,and I gave scripture references for all of them.
10/13/2016 3:53:52 PM	Jesus versus Ludlow
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Do you even know what a "scripture reference" is? You gave no scripture references.
10/14/2016 11:13:45 AM	Jesus versus Ludlow
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	On Oct. 12, at 5:58, in the Blood Sacrice thread, I did give some Bible references. Check for yourself. [Edited 10/14/2016 11:14:31 AM ]
10/14/2016 11:50:41 AM	Jesus versus Ludlow
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell... Let's play cherry-pick-the-scriptures! ********************************************************************* ludlow has been the reigning champion of this game for years. ********************************************************************* Quote from ludlowlowell... Your auote is true but incomplete. Yes, Jesus said, at yhe verse you cited, that we must forgive enemies, but elsewhere He says we have to also take Communion, be born again, be pure, keep all the commandments, help the poor, and refrain from personal insults. Why do you ignore those verses? ********************************************************************* I guess ludlow can't post those verses because he doesn't know where they are. Proof positive that ludlow doesn't read the bible. ********************************************************************* Quote from ludlowlowell... On Oct. 12, at 5:58, in the Blood Sacrice thread, I did give some Bible references. Check for yourself. *********************************************************************** ludlow giving the song and dance to avoid posting the Scriptures he was referring to. The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.

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