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On Mansion #1 (aka "heaven"), sometime in the future.
Jesus: Welcome Slowpoke. It's good to see you.
Slow: Thank you Jesus, it's good to be here.
Jesus: Slow, I have a question for you. When you were back on earth, why didn't you preach the gospel that I preached?
Slow: Well, Jesus, I guess it's like this. After you left, we sort of forgot all about that gospel, the one you taught. We quickly morphed into a new gospel, we called it "preaching the cross." It was all about your death and resurrection, the remission of sins, the atonement, and what we thought it all meant. And then too, Paul said...
(Jesus, interrupting...)
Wait. Paul? Paul who? I never had any apostles named Paul. I'm sure I'd remember if I did.
Slow: Well Jesus, Paul came along after you died claiming that he met you in a vision. We all believed him. Anyway, Paul said that we would be accursed if we preached any other gospel than the one he, Paul, gave us. I guess we were afraid of being accursed so we all fell in line with Paul and his new gospel. Frankly, we never gave your gospel any more thought after that. No one wanted to be accursed. In fact, I don't even think we know what your gospel was, the "glad tidings of the kingdom of God" and all.
Jesus: I see. So, how did that work out for you, preaching the cross for 2000 years?
Slow: Um, actually Jesus, not very well. The wars got bigger and bigger until finally we blew the place up.
Jesus: Hmm. I wonder what would have happened if you all had preached the gospel that I preached for 2000 years?
Slow: I guess we'll never know, Jesus.
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ludlowlowell
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Jesus to FJO: Why did you call some of my beloved children inferior and degenerate?
FJO: Well, um, er...
Jesus: And who exactly did you mean by this? Black people? Indians? Asians? Handicapped people?
FJO: Well, I...er....well...um...
Jesus: And why did you recognize 700,000 gods when both testaments said over and over that there is only one God, and only one begotten Son?
FJO: Bigd! Come help me! I need you to play some word games on this guy for me!
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kb2222
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Jesus to Ludlow: Why do you reject my teachings and teach like those who killed me believed?
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ludlowlowell
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Because we all killed Him---we killed Him by our sins. You, too, KB.
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kb2222
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That's not an answer to the question, Ludlow. You are one corrupt fellow to think you can fool Jesus.
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followjesusonly
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That's not an answer to the question, Ludlow. You are one corrupt fellow to think you can fool Jesus.
What Lud said is not only not an answer to the question you asked, but it's wrong as well, just more of Ludlow's baseless cathlick guilt trip assertions.
No, we did not all kill Jesus.
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kb2222
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Its obvious Ludlow is not aware of it but he surely is becoming spiritually insane.
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followjesusonly
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Its obvious Ludlow is not aware of it but he surely is becoming spiritually insane.
Indeed. Mentally ill people are often in denial of it. Our schizophrenic friend says, "The doctors said I had schizophrenia, but I don't."
But she does.
I'm going to block Lud as soon as the 24 hour time limit is up. I'd like to engage him in general but I don't want him derailing my threads with his calumny and disinformation about The Urantia Book. I wish I could just keep him from posting that crap on my threads but I can't, it's all or nothing as far as blocking goes. Ludlow does evil. As pope Francis said:
"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -Pope Francis
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followjesusonly
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On Mansion #1 (aka "heaven"), sometime in the future.
Jesus: Welcome to heaven, Slowpoke. It's good to see you.
Slow: Thank you Jesus, it's good to be here.
Jesus: Slow, I have a question for you. When you were back on earth, why didn't you preach the gospel that I preached?
Slow: Well, Jesus, I guess it's like this. After you left, we sort of forgot all about that gospel, the one you taught. We quickly morphed into a new gospel, we called it "preaching the cross." It was all about your death and resurrection, the remission of sins, the atonement, and what we thought it all meant. And then too, Paul said...
(Jesus, interrupting...)
Wait. Paul? Paul who? I never had any apostles named Paul. I'm sure I'd remember if I did.
Slow: Well Jesus, this guy named Paul came along after you died claiming that he met you in a vision. We all believed him. What choice did we have? Anyway, Paul said that we would be accursed if we preached any other gospel than the one he, Paul, gave us. I guess we were afraid of being accursed so we all fell in line with Paul and his new gospel. Frankly, we never gave your gospel any more thought after that. No one wanted to be accursed. In fact, I don't even think we know what your gospel was, the "glad tidings of the kingdom of God" and all. It's kind of mysterious, Jesus, whereas Paul's gospel was something we could really get into.
Jesus: I see. So, how did that work out for you, preaching the cross for 2000 years?
Slow: Um, actually Jesus, not very well. After 2000 years of preaching the cross gospel only one third of the world believed in You. We broke up into thousands of sects after we overthrew the Catholic tyranny and as you said, a house divided cannot stand. The other two thirds of the world apparently didn't find us and our replacement gospel appealing or believable. Then the wars got bigger and bigger until finally we blew the place up. I don't know what went wrong, Jesus. We had good intentions and we tried hard. For 2000 years we preached and preached and preached a gospel that You did not preach. I wonder what went wrong? Do you think that had anything to do with it? In retrospect, I guess we could have tried it your way, and preached the gospel that You preached, but we believed that if we just kept doing the same thing over and over, perhaps we could get a different result. I guess that's a definition of insanity, huh, Jesus?
Jesus: Hmm. Perhaps if you all had preached the gospel that I preached for 2000 years it would have turned out differently.
Slow: I guess we'll never know, Jesus, what might have happened if we had preached the gospel that you preached. Too late now. Let bygones be bygones. What's done is done. No sense in crying over spilled milk, and all that. You know, Jesus.
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ludlowlowell
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Jesus does not fail because the majority of people reject Hom. A minority of people, a remnant, do, and that's good enough for Jesus.
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kb2222
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Jesus to Ludlow: Why do you reject my teachings and teach like those who killed me believed?
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ludlowlowell
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Which of Jesus' teachings do I reject?
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followjesusonly
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Jesus does not fail because the majority of people reject Hom. A minority of people, a remnant, do, and that's good enough for Jesus.
Nobody said Jesus failed. Please get off of my threads.
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followjesusonly
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Which of Jesus' teachings do I reject?
You reject this one, for starters:
Jesus says:
"If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Mat 6:14)
But you say:
"God does not forgive everyone who forgives others. God forgives repentant sinners only. All others He punished very severely."
And you reject this one:
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
And you reject this one:
"But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father which is in secret." (Matthew 6:6)
But you say: "I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety."
You savor of Satan.
You do grave evil, as the pope says.
Please stay off my threads. I can't block you until tomorrow.
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ludlowlowell
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You misunderstand these teachings of Jesus.
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kb2222
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Jesus to Ludlow: Why do you reject my teachings and teach like those who killed me believed?
Which of Jesus' teachings do I reject?
Don't act so stupid. You reject the loving and caring nature of God that Jesus divinely revealed and still believe and teach about God like the murderous Pharisees believed. Are you denying this is not the truth, Ludlow?
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ludlowlowell
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I strongly believe in God's living and caring nature. But God is also a just Hod Whobis not above punishing sinners, and punishingvthem very severely.
Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand, said John the Baptist.
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kb2222
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There is no doubt in my mind that you are an incorrigible reprobate in league with Satan, Ludlow.
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share_n_love
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Because we all killed Him---we killed Him by our sins. You, too, KB.
You are correct Lud. 
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kb2222
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How did you kill Jesus with your sin, sharenlove?
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followjesusonly
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You misunderstand these teachings of Jesus.
Please stay off of my threads. I'll make it official as soon as possible. You're a nut job and you do evil.
"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -Pope Francis
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ludlowlowell
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Pope Francis, by making those remarks, shows he has little or no faith, and disdains tjose who do. We need to pray for him.
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followjesusonly
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Pope Francis, by making those remarks, shows he has little or no faith, and disdains tjose who do. We need to pray for him.
Mental cases such as yourself often think that someone else is the problem, never themselves. You're all that and a malcontent on top of it.
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followjesusonly
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You should call him up tomorrow, maybe on Skype, and say, "I'm sorry my Fuhrer, I've been doing evil trash talking about you.
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ludlowlowell
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The poor man obviously has weak faith, or no faith. He needs our prayers.
Can you imagine the martyrs going to their deaths with the attitude, "oh, I don't have any absolute truths, I just willy-nilly think Jesus is a nice guy"?
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bigd9832
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Quote from ludlowlowell... Which of Jesus' teachings do I reject?
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CLV Jn 3:13 And no one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven.
CLV Jn 8:23 He said, then, to them, "You are of that which is below; I am of that which is above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
And if Jesus is God, as you have decided, then...
CLV Ezk 18:4 Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son--they are Mine, The soul that is sinning--it does die.
CLV Ex 20:4 You shall not make for yourself a carving nor any representation of that in the heavens above or that on the earth beneath, or that in the waters beneath the earth.
5 You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor be made to serve them, for I, Yahweh your Elohim, am a jealous El, visiting the depravity of the fathers on the sons, on the third and on the fourth generation, to those hating Me,
There are many more but as this is not ludlow's judgment we don't have to endure the entire list.
The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
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followjesusonly
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The poor man obviously has weak faith, or no faith. He needs our prayers.
Can you imagine the martyrs going to their deaths with the attitude, "oh, I don't have any absolute truths, I just willy-nilly think Jesus is a nice guy"?
"He needs our prayers" is just another put-down, an ad hominem attack on your own pope. You are a malcontent. You don't respect your own pope and you don't love God or obey Him. Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say?
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ludlowlowell
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I believe faith should be strong and sure. Pope Francis and other liberal Catholics believe faith should be weak and wishy-washy.
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bigd9832
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Quote from ludlowlowell... I believe faith should be strong and sure. Pope Francis and other liberal Catholics believe faith should be weak and wishy-washy.
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ludlow is wishy washy.
The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
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followjesusonly
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I strongly believe in God's living and caring nature. But God is also a just Hod Whobis not above punishing sinners, and punishingvthem very severely.
Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand, said John the Baptist.
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven.", said Jesus the Savior
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followjesusonly
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I believe faith should be strong and sure. Pope Francis and other liberal Catholics believe faith should be weak and wishy-washy.
You are a malcontent.
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ludlowlowell
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Was Peter, who Jesus said had rock-like faith, a malcontent?
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followjesusonly
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I have to stop getting sucked in to your threads or I will never be able to block you. Now I have to wait another day. I am not going allow you anymore to post your lies in my threads, someone who Jesus says does not even love God, -you. You are a sick man and you do evil, as pope Francis says.
"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -Pope Francis
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followjesusonly
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Was Peter, who Jesus said had rock-like faith, a malcontent?
Malcontent | Definition of Malcontent by Merriam-Webster
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/malcontent
Merriam-Webster
: a discontented person: a : one who bears a grudge from a sense of grievance or thwarted ambition b : one who is in active opposition to an established order or government : rebel.
Satan was a malcontent.
You are a malcontent.
You don't like your leader and you refuse to obey God.
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ludlowlowell
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Weak faith does not uproot mulberry trees. Weak faith does not move mountains. Weak faith does not give the martyrs strength. Weak faith does not help people resist temptation. Weak faith does not encourage vocations to the priesthood or the religious orders. Christians with weak faith are like the salts of the earth who have lost their flavor.
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bigd9832
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You are a malcontent.
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kb2222
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Weak faith does not uproot mulberry trees. Weak faith does not move mountains. Weak faith does not give the martyrs strength. Weak faith does not help people resist temptation. Weak faith does not encourage vocations to the priesthood or the religious orders. Christians with weak faith are like the salts of the earth who have lost their flavor.
Weak faith may accomplish little but it has the capacity to grow while strong faith in that which is not true leads to destruction.
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bigd9832
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Quote from ludlow... Weak faith does not uproot mulberry trees. Weak faith does not move mountains. Weak faith does not give the martyrs strength. Weak faith does not help people resist temptation. Weak faith does not encourage vocations to the priesthood or the religious orders. Christians with weak faith are like the salts of the earth who have lost their flavor.
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I don't see ludlow moving any mountains.
The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
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ludlowlowell
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People who have weak faith can grow into stronger faith, yes. They can also grow in the other parts of the spiritual life. "Lord, I believe. Help thou my unbelief." But people with strong faith can, in the spiritual life, take off like a rocket ship.
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kb2222
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Its clear you "choose" to ignore my point, Ludlow.
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ludlowlowell
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Which led to destruction, Judas Iscariot's weak faith or Peter's strong faith? Which led to destruction, the bad thief on the cross' weak faith or the good thief's strong faith? Which (almost) led to destruction, Jimmy Carter's weak faith in America or Ronald Reagan's strong faith in America? Which (almost) led to destruction in the Civil War, George McClelland's weak faith in his army or Ulysses Grant's strong faith in his?
Faith moves mountains.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Which led to destruction, Judas Iscariot's weak faith or Peter's strong faith? Which led to destruction, the bad thief on the cross' weak faith or the good thief's strong faith? Which (almost) led to destruction, Jimmy Carter's weak faith in America or Ronald Reagan's strong faith in America? Which (almost) led to destruction in the Civil War, George McClelland's weak faith in his army or Ulysses Grant's strong faith in his?
Faith moves mountains.
Which led to destruction, David Koresh's strong faith?
Jim Jones' strong faith?
Waco, Texas.
Bulldozers move mountains.
You are a sick man, Lud.
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ludlowlowell
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David Moresh and Jum Jones had false faith. Catholics have the True Faith, the faith taught by their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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followjesusonly
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David Moresh and Jum Jones had false faith. Catholics have the True Faith, the faith taught by their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
But Jesus is not your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
He says you don't even love Him.
"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
And He says, ""Why call ye me, [your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ], and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
You are a phony. Pope Francis says what you have are "false certainties," not the true faith.
"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — [but one in particular named Ludlow Lowell], who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -pope Francis
You are a malcontent who does't even respect your sect's leadership and who refuses to obey God.
Satan is your Lord and Savior.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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I thought you were going to block me.
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followjesusonly
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I am. Apparently the time limit has not expired yet. I just tried it. Should be soon, I hope.
Looks like 2:18:33 PM tomorrow, the 17th.
I made a mistake and posted on your "Which candidate thread..."
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followjesusonly
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Oh, that's not your thread. Must be something else.
Here it is, 10:51:43 PM tonight. About 2.5 hours. I'm all atwitter.
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bigd9832
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Quote from ludlowlowell... David Moresh and Jum Jones had false faith. Catholics have the True Faith, the faith taught by their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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Jum Jones?
Catholics don't kill themselves. The tend to kill others. The Catholic Inquisitions were proof of that.
The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
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followjesusonly
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Quote from ludlowlowell... David Moresh and Jum Jones had false faith. Catholics have the True Faith, the faith taught by their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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Jum Jones?
Catholics don't kill themselves. The tend to kill others. The Catholic Inquisitions were proof of that.
The Catholic church lies and so does ludlow.
Yah, Lud was talking about people who have strong faith, like he thinks he does.
When I called him on it he switched over to saying they had "false faith."
But his own pope says Lud has "false certainties."
pope Francis:
"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — [but one in particular named Ludlow Lowell], who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God."
Lud knows the pope is talking about traitors and malcontents like him because Lud lashes back at his pope and says this pope is the worst one in 500 years.
Did he unblock you?
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followjesusonly
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Finally, no more of Ludlow's lies on my threads.
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bigd9832
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I told him I didn't notice him moving any mountains. But he considers a miracle finding his keys. My back was healed when I was about 18. And I saw about 1000 or so other people who got healed in one afternoon. The Catholic church has never done anything like that.
He is a very sick man.
It doesn't matter if he blocks me or not. Not to me, anyway.
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