I think left to our own reasoning most people would have concluded that God is nature or consciousness or the universe itself. Do you think it is fair of me to suggest that at the council of Nicea a group of men decided for everybody else that God was a separate creator?

I know people say the universe was created by God, but that just does not ring true for me. Do you get what I am saying?

it just seems that it makes more sense to assume an eternal universe known as God than to imagine an invisible God that created it.

Only a "personality" can place "value" on words/concepts/meanings. The physical universe is wholly unconcerned with love, truth, goodness and righteousness.


I said this before and you didn't comment. Perhaps you will now?

I feel that God is what is

I reject the idea that God is the invisible creator of what is.

I feel that Jesus taught us what the nature of God is by instructing us to love our neighbor as ourselves

The nature of God is love and Jesus came to teach that

Those men at the council of Nicea created a story to consolidate the different opinions and reign in opposing views on the subject of the nature of God and Jesus. It was part of a consolidation of power and rule.


In other words they made some shit up and Christians have been believing it for over 2000 years rarely questioning it and mostly ignorant that there was ever such a council.

but if God is existing as we post he obviously knew this would happen.
I am positive what is in the Bible then has enough specific truth to follow the right path.

and remember, the other transcripts like Book of Thomas, Enoch, Maccabees, and others only vary a little except Enoch gets out there but not enough to sway anyone.

so really, the council did nothing since we have access to all of those manuscripts today and know they are all relative to one another and specific to the idea of Christ/Jehova.

Believe what and how you want to. I happen to feel that the sense of separation people have about God is a false sense. It just goes back to that question.....

If you believe in an eternal and separate God that created the universe, then why not, why cant, why wont you just as well believe in an eternal universe understood as God.

The God you already believe in is invisible anyway so I don't understand what changes for you.

Well, I do really and its the part about Jesus dying for your sins and saving you right?


I for one do not feel that jesus died for me. I feel that he was murdered for teaching the true nature of God and years later these men convinced many people of a lie they told to help them stay in power,

If God did not create the universe, who did? Apparently you do believe in God. And which decree of the Council of Nicea said God or Jesus was not a God of love?

well, you cannot believe God is universal if hell exist.
God obviously does not represent hell and its location.
since the concept of hell and heaven exists along with earth then God can only be represented by that which is godly.
God will never represent hell therefore he is not universal in the concept you are imagining.



I do not believe in an invisible entity as well.

from cover to cover the entire bible is history about Christ.
Christ was Abram's first high priest (pastor), he was the Angel of Lord we see when he visits Abram before Sodom and Ghomorrow.
he is the angel who gives water to Ishmael and sends him off after Abraham sent him away for Isaac.

he was the cloud and protection for Moses and he parted the red sea and provided manna and quail for the Hebrews in the wilderness...

...remember the burning bush "I AM THAT I AM"...

John chapter 8 they ask Christ, who are you?
His reply, I am before Abram for "I AM THAT I AM"...


so God has been physical on the scene all along.

yes, he was resurrected but he is still on the scene and will be physical in his return.



you are grasping at straws because you cannot fathom God could make things so simple even the fools will complicate it

Don’t ask that. You are only human and have no right to question God. A clay jar does not question the one who made it. It does not say, “Why did you make me like this"


only human?

Not so.


I am an electro-spiritual energy field existing in an unlimited field of energy and information.

I am an aperture through which the energy of the universe becomes aware of itself.

I am made of the same stuff the stars are made from.

The universe is in me and I am of it.

I am a living soul comprised of spirit, mind, and body..

"Only human"

I don't accept that and neither should you.

Don't let your religion tell you otherwise

YOU are delusional
They ultimately failed???
Yes, and SO did the inquisition,........... eventually, after millions, billions were duped, and millions were murdered!!!

the ultimate and most amazing aspect about the entire greatness of there being a God, is that he makes it so simple to be with even we begin to fool our own selves about it

God LOVES us! The end.


Genesis 6:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.


Gods creation, MAN, disobeyed God and was punished with physical death.

MAN thought to become equal, or superior to, God, and evil ensued.

God destroyed what he had created and gave MAN a second chance.

The Jews disobeyed God and were punished.

God, again, gave MAN a third opportunity to obey.

John 3:16 ~~ For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son that whomsoever believeth in him shall have eternal life.

God loves us but has God given MAN his last opportunity to obey? I believe that He has. Jesus Christ (God Himself) was the ultimate sacrifice for man to obey.

Are you obeying God?

Do you believe?

God is Jesus.

Jesus is God.

Is not made up BS.

Jesus (God) said it.

Jesus (God) does not lie.

I cant think of anything more simple than God is what is.

As most religions claim to be the "true" religion they all ask you to believe something in which in return you will receive something. At the same time they preach how much God loves you, they claim if you don't believe what they say then you go to hell, But God loves you?

that's not that simple

as a machinist toolmaker I can produce energy waves and I can use electricity to create same effects.

now, if that energy was same energy as spirits it should draw the spirits but it does not.

because life is not static nor a wavelength of electricity within the volt meter [/quote


this word>>>>>>>>>>>> "spirits" or "spirit"
I see it get used often to describe God or other worldly beings.
The word spirit actually means energy or enthusiasm.
The word enthusiasm in the Greek translation means "God within" or "with God"
It seems like when people say God is a spirit or they talk of spirits they are referring to some Hollywood movie idea of the word spirit.

I think spirit is energy......plain and simple
Our reality is that we live in a spiritual world and we are spiritual beings
And God is spirit. ( not a spirit )

Simple!

just spirit

I disagree with your assessment of my previous statement. You say I limit God when I use the word energy, but you refer to God as "He".
Do you really think God is a "He"?
Please consider that women didn't get the right to vote until some 2000 years after Jesus died. So it is clear to me that the only reason we use "He" is because men wrote the Bible.

Don't you think that is reasonable considering how women even today are still being discriminated??

Energy isnt created and cant be destroyed it only changes form. God does not change.
The word "Universe" translates to>>>>> one verse or one song...God
We say God is everywhere....so is the universe
We say God is all knowing....the universe contains all the knowledge
We say God is all powerful....all power exists with the universe
We say God is one.........it is called the "Uni" verse


I challenge you to tell me why you think God is something else

I understand that you believe what these men at the council of Nicea decided to represent to you as the word of God. So lets be clear on that ok. In our discussion so far we seem to be pretty cordial each expressing our point of view, but now you are calling me lost because I don't believe as you do. This is the wonderful arrogance of Christianity that too many Christians do not acknowledge. You think you are right. You think you are saved. So, you feel justified telling others they are lost. You can't admit that we are all just guessing. Its funny you know...a scientist will read books their entire life and still think they have more to learn, but a Christian will read only one book (the bible) and think they know it all. Trust me! nobody is lost we are all where we are supposed to be.

Of course you don't care. You like what you believe. Your ego is all tied up in your faith so you are protecting it. That is why you are calling me lost. I have made you question your belief and there is obviously a bit of cognitive dissonance happening here. Remember this is not a thread you started so you have nothing to defend here and yet, here you are being defensive. Interesting huh?

see, you are analyzing again.

if I come at you it is because I know the WORD better than you.
I do not attend church.
I have no time for liars and thieves.

you clearly have no clue man...clearly.

mary is like the disciples nothing but a tool to get the Word out...
even the mother of Christ is nothing but a tool to do the will of God.

That's your opinion!!!

Are you a tool

mary is like the disciples nothing but a tool to get the Word out...
even the mother of Christ is nothing but a tool to do the will of God.