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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Tnteacher, Share, and other Judaizers, this is for you, mainly. I know you will try to explain, in my other thread, Luke 16:16 by referring everyone to verse 17, but here's the rule: NO LUKE 16:16 HERE, THIS ONE'S ABOUT LUKE 16:17.
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| 1/13/2017 4:36:28 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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To answer my own question, it simply means that Jesus, the Great Liberator, the source of our spiritual freedom, did not mean to set us free from the ten commandments. Freedom in Christ does not mean freedom to indulge the flesh. If verse 17 seems to contradict verse 16 see my other thread.
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| 1/16/2017 5:41:59 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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To answer my own question, it simply means that Jesus, the Great Liberator, the source of our spiritual freedom, did not mean to set us free from the ten commandments. Freedom in Christ does not mean freedom to indulge the flesh. If verse 17 seems to contradict verse 16 see my other thread.
Why do you refuse to obey Jesus and why do you defy Him?
He asks:
"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
Please answer Jesus.
Just say, "Jesus, the reason we Catholics refuse to obey you and the reason we defy you is because..."
 
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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So what are you, FJO, so lily prfect that you have always obeyed every commandment to the letter?
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followjesusonly
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So what are you, FJO, so lily prfect that you have always obeyed every commandment to the letter?
Your issue is with Jesus:
"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
Just say, "Jesus, the reason we Catholics refuse to obey you and the reason we defy you is because..."
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Do you always do the things Jesus said? Are you perfect in every way? When's the last time you ate His Body, or drank His Blood?
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Your issue is with Jesus:
"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
Just say, "Jesus, the reason we Catholics refuse to obey you and the reason we defy you is because..."
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| 1/17/2017 6:52:38 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Your issue is with Jesus:
"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
Just say, "Jesus, the reason we Catholics refuse to obey you and the reason we defy you is because..."
Why do you call Jesus Lord, Lord, and refuse to eat His Body and drink His Blood? Why do you call Him Lord, and bieve in 699,999 other lords? Why do you call Jesus Lord, the Jesus Who loves all peoples and nations, and tgen say some races are inferior and degenerate? Your issue is with Jesus, not me.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Why do you call Jesus Lord, Lord, and refuse to eat His Body and drink His Blood? Why do you call Him Lord, and bieve in 699,999 other lords? Why do you call Jesus Lord, the Jesus Who loves all peoples and nations, and tgen say some races are inferior and degenerate? Your issue is with Jesus, not me.
You are a sad, sick, ignorant Catholic man. And a liar to boot. But the latter has been know by many here for a long time. Even the pope knows about people like you and to get even with him you call him an "utter idiot." Imagine, God's representative on Earth and you have labeled him an utter idiot. Who would want to join a church like that? You are possibly the worst ambassador for your church that anyone could be. When I got here I just didn't like the Catholic church much, but now, thanks to you, I really really despise it. You're a disaster as far as your church is concerned.
Jesus says:
"If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. (Mat 6:14)
But you contradict Jesus the Son of God and say:
"God does NOT forgive everyone who forgives others."
Jesus says: "But thou, when thou prayest ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6
But you contradict Jesus the Son of God and say: "I ...recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety."
And Catholics pray to Mary and to many other dead human beings.
Jesus says: "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
Only ONE is your Father, and He is in heaven.
But you and the Satanic Catholic church you belong to refuse to obey Jesus and they defy Jesus, calling all their priests, "Father" and even going so blasphemously far as calling their human leader, "The Holy Father," a term Jesus uses only for God in Heaven.
God's Second Commandment says: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them."
But the Satanic Catholic church defies God and fills its churches with graven images which Catholics bow down to.
Proverbs 16:25: There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Jesus asks: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) Answer Jesus and say, "Jesus, the reason we Catholics defy you and refuse to obey you is because..."
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Jesus asks YOU, and all your Urantia co-believers, why you call Him Lord, Lord, while believing in 699,999 pagan gods?
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followjesusonly
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We don't. You are a sad, sick, ignorant Catholic man.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Urantia Book children's song:
Jesus loves me this I know
For the Urantia Book tells me so
Little ones to Him belong
As long as they're healthy, white, and strong.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Urantia Book children's song:
Jesus loves me this I know
For the Urantia Book tells me so
Little ones to Him belong
As long as they're healthy, white, and strong.
You are a sad, sick, ignorant, God disobeying Catholic man. The Urantia Book says no such thing.
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ludlowlowell
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It might as well say it. After all, racism is what eugenics is all about, right?
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followjesusonly
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Eugenics is actually all about the improvement of the human condition.
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ludlowlowell
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Eugenics actually is about racism.
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followjesusonly
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You are a very sick, ignorant man.
Eugenics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Eugenics (/ju?'d??n?ks/; from Greek e??e??? eugenes "well-born" from e? eu, "good, well" and ????? genos, "race, stock, kin")[2][3] is a set of beliefs and practices that aims at improving the genetic quality of the human population.[4][5]
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ludlowlowell
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Which races and ethnicities need to have their genetic stock improved? Which races and ethnicities do you consider to be inferior and degenerate? William Sadler and his in-laws the Kellogg family believed that Afticans were inferior and degenerate. Do you agree?
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followjesusonly
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Which races and ethnicities need to have their genetic stock improved?
That's really not for any one man to say. Only society at large can make such determinations.
Which races and ethnicities do you consider to be inferior and degenerate?
I will leave that up to society at large to determine.
William Sadler and his in-laws the Kellogg family believed that Afticans were inferior and degenerate. Do you agree?
It doesn't matter what William Sadler believed about it even if what you say is true, which I doubt, because you didn't know William Sadler or any of the Kelloggs, I'm sure. And I don't know what "Afticans" are although we may have one on the sofa that my wife's grandmother knitted.
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ludlowlowell
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Ifva society can decide on.its own who is inferior and degenerate, if God delegates that authority to the political ruler or the current prevailing opinion, then you're saying that Nazis had the right to gas "degenerate" Jews, and southern segregationists had the right to discriminate against "inferior" black people.
Do you have a conscience?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a sick pathetic man, Ludlow. You assert it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons because that is what those who rejected and killed Jesus believed. And you assert that God ordered man to slaughter untold thousands of animals and even to kill Jesus to "show man how horrible sin is." Yet what you complain about is the UB saying that there are "somewhat" inferior and degenerate strains of "unidentified" humans for which reproduction should be curtailed in a humane fashion which they clearly leave up to man to identify and curtail if and when man chooses to do so. You are truly a sick man, Ludlow.
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followjesusonly
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Ifva society can decide on.its own who is inferior and degenerate, if God delegates that authority to the political ruler or the current prevailing opinion, then you're saying that Nazis had the right to gas "degenerate" Jews, and southern segregationists had the right to discriminate against "inferior" black people.
Do you have a conscience?
I don't know what "Ifva" means.
Societies can decide and they DO decide. And I never said God delegated that authority. You did. But they have the authority. What the Nazis did has nothing to do with me. And the Nazis had as much right to do what they did as the Catholic church had to burn people at the stake and torture them. And what southern yahoos like you did to black people also has nothing to do with me. You are a sick man, Lud.
It's time for you to grow up and face reality as it is, not as your inner 5 year old child would like it to be. Please, grow up and face reality.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Southern racism, Nazi racism, Urantia racism, Catholic love for all mankind. Take your pick.
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followjesusonly
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You are a lying, ignorant man. You haven't read the book and you don't know God or why the world has the racial situation it has.
And you are a malcontent who questions and contradicts God, and even your own sect leader the so-called "vicar of Christ on earth" who you call "an utter idiot."
You have issues.
"Catholic love for all mankind." And that's why the Cathlick church tortured and burned people at the stake, because they loved them so much.
You are a sick man.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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The Church ordered heretics tortued and burned at the stake precisely because the heretics opposed the Church's message of love and peace.
You should read up on the violent ways of the medieval heretics, especially the Albigensians and Huguenots of France and the Anglicans of England.
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followjesusonly
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The Church ordered heretics tortured and burned at the stake precisely because the heretics opposed the Church's message of love and peace.
That's marvelous, Lud. That's a keeper. You'll be seeing that again. You truly are a sick man.
I took the liberty of correcting your spelling.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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The Church ordered heretics tortued and burned at the stake precisely because the heretics opposed the Church's message of love and peace.
How Christian like. 
You are truly morally and spiritually insane.
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followjesusonly
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How Christian like.
You are truly morally and spiritually insane.
I know. That one really shows off Lud's illness.
"The Church ordered heretics tortured and burned at the stake precisely because the heretics opposed the Church's message of love and peace."
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ludlowlowell
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FJO, think back to your Catholic days. Think of all the sermons you heard about the love and peace of Jesus Christ. Quite a few, right? And think of all the sermons you heard where the priest said, hey, let's bring the Inquisition back. How many of those did you hear? None, right?
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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It doesn't matter. You admit "The Church ordered heretics tortured and burned at the stake precisely because the heretics opposed the Church's message of love and peace."
And you still claim popes are the infallible representatives of God when you know they committed for over 500 years the horrible deeds against humanity you attest to above.
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| 1/21/2017 12:02:23 PM |
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isna_la_wica
Brantford, ON
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You have to put the verse into context.
Luke 16:17 Young's Literal Translation
and it is easier to the heaven and the earth to pass away, than of the law one tittle to fall.
Get yourself some commentaries Lud, and read the whole chapter.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(17) It is easier for heaven and earth to pass.—See Notes on Matthew 5:18. Our first impression on reading the words here is that there is less logical sequence in their position. They seem unconnected with the teaching as to the mammon of unrighteousness. It is possible that here, as elsewhere, some links of the chain have been dropped; but the explanation that has been given of the preceding parable gives a sufficient connection. The scribes and Pharisees had been tampering with the sacredness of the laws which are not of to-day or yesterday—fixed as the everlasting hills—and they are told that their casuistry cannot set aside the claims of those laws in any single instance, such, e.g., as that which immediately follows.
Its not anti Catholic to do so, you know.
If you do not want to spend the money for a hard copy? Then you get a Catholic commentary on line here :
Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition.
haydock1859.tripod.com/
And he even says almost the same thing:
Ver. 16. The law and the prophets, &c. Not that the law was made void by the coming of John [the Baptist], but that what the law and the prophets had taught, had been suited to the very imperfect dispositions of the Jews, who as yet were incapable of relishing perfect virtue. At the coming of John, the gospel began to be preached, and this called men to a life of perfect sanctity. (St. Thomas Aquinas) --- Our Saviour came not to destroy, but to fulfil the law and the prophets. (Matthew v. 17.)
Jesus also said this:
Luke 21:33 Amplified Bible (AMP)
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Your redemption draweth nigh - See the notes at Matthew 24:33. This is expressed in Luke 21:31 thus: "the kingdom of God is nigh at hand" - that is, from that time God will signally build up his kingdom. It shall be fully established when the Jewish policy shall come to an end; when the temple shall be destroyed, and the Jews scattered abroad. Then the power of the Jews shall be at an end; they shall no longer be able to persecute you, and you shall be completely delivered from all these trials and calamities in Judea.
When you read the context in which each verse is used, and check it with other scripture, you get the whole picture. For some reason Haydocks Catholic commentary is not on line for this verse. I`ll try and find one that has it.
Not all sure what the Judaizers are saying, but chances are, that they are the replacements for the Jews? Betcha they have not put it into context either.
Just grabbing a verse from here or there. Is like your car over heating, you seee steam coming from the rad , so right away assume its the rad.
No time today, but will look at what the Catholic encyclopedia has to say about it, and I bet its similar as well.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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I was taught, in both the Methodist and Catholic Churches, that Jesus abrogated the Levitical law, i.e. circumcision, no pork or shellfish, no tatoos, no wearing of garments made from more than one material, no fires at home on Saturday (would this include electricity? doesn't it get cold in Canada?), Passover, the sacrifice of animals, and the stoning of adulterers.
The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus never meant to abrogate the ten commandments, and that when Jesus speaks of not destroying the law but fulfilling it, when He speaks of not one jot or tittle of the law ever going away, when He says "if you love me, keep my commandments", He is speaking of the ten commandments, not the Levitical law. The Methodist church sometime would preach the same thing, but sometimes preach that all one needed for salvation was faith (that they were blatantly contradicting themselves there never seem to occur to them, but that's a subject for a different day).
Cupocheer, and apparently Isna also, just to be in disagreement with the Catholic Church, are saying that no, we must continue to keep all law, even the Levitical law, but...
...but...
...but they don't bother to actually keep the Levitical law. Isna, do you eat pork? Do you stone adulterers? When's the last time you made a ritual sacrifice of a lamb to God?
At Luke 16:16 Jesus said that the law and the prophets ended with John [John the Baptist]. But in the very next verse Jesus says not one jot or tittle of the law would ever go away. What gives? Is Jesus doing a 180 in practically the same breath? No. Verse 16 refers to the Levitical law and verse 17 the ten commandments.
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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But your church doesn't keep all of the ten commandments. It has discarded the second one and changed the day of the Sabbath from Saturday to the Day of the Sun God.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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FJO, do you agree with the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and practically all the Protestant denominations except Lutheran, that Jesus abrogated the Levitical law but that the ten commandments still stand? Does the Urantia Book call for tge keeping of the Levitical law? Does the Urantia Book call for circumcision, abstention from pork, animal sacrifices, and stoning of adulterers?
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isna_la_wica
Brantford, ON
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Wow, so much for trying to be nice.
I did give the Roman Catholic position on this verse.
Here again:
Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition.
haydock1859.tripod.com/
Ver. 16. The law and the prophets, &c. Not that the law was made void by the coming of John [the Baptist], but that what the law and the prophets had taught, had been suited to the very imperfect dispositions of the Jews, who as yet were incapable of relishing perfect virtue. At the coming of John, the gospel began to be preached, and this called men to a life of perfect sanctity. (St. Thomas Aquinas) --- Our Saviour came not to destroy, but to fulfil the law and the prophets. (Matthew v. 17.)
Its a waste of time with you, it really is.
Strange, I even learn from some Catholics, like Deneez who used to be on here.
But you would cut off your nose to spite your face, wouldn`t you?
Adios.
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| 1/21/2017 10:19:15 PM |
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ludlowlowell
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Isna, do you really think the Levitical law is still in force? If so, do you keep it yourself? Do you abstain from pork? Do you not light fires on Saturday? Do you stone adulterers? Do you offer animal sacrifices to God on your outdoor barbeque?
What about the ten commandments? I won't ask you if you keep them---we all have broken them---but do you agree that Jesus was very clear that the ten commandments still stand?
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Elijah and Enoch did not break them.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Elijah and Enoch were alive on earth when the Levitical law was still in force. Of course they did not break any of the Levitical law.
Isna, FJO, Cupocheer, and others who insist that the Levitical laws are still in force, but yet who do not bother to keep them, what gives? How can you people do this with a straight face? At least Share and Tnteacher try to keep at least some of the Levitical laws---they are being more honest than you guys.
How can we pour the new wine of the Gospel into the old wineskins of the Levitical law?
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followjesusonly
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Elijah and Enoch were alive on earth when the Levitical law was still in force. Of course they did not break any of the Levitical law.
But you just said, "What about the ten commandments? I won't ask you if you keep them---we all have broken them."
"we all have broken them," you said.
And I said, "Elijah and Enoch did not break them."
And of course you cannot know if "we all have broken them." You can only speak for yourself. But I suspect it gives you "cover" if you can say, we all have broken them."
But you break the one about bearing false witness right here every day. And you do not confess it because you are blind to your own sin as is often the case with self-righteous people.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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There are a very, very, very few people who have never broken any of the ten commandments---Jesus and Mary never did, for instance. "All have sinned" means practically all have sinned.
We should keep in mind that Enoch, Elijah, Mary, and other mer mortals who never sinned were able to accomplish this only by extremely extraordinary graces from God, graces that came from the shed Blood of Jesus Christ on the cross. They weren't perfectly siness by their own power---Jesus was their Savior too.
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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Luke 16:17
This is about Jesus' ministry introducing the New Covenant era that was, with the coming of Jesus, a fulfillment of the law (the old covenant) era in the most minute detail.
By using the phrase "least stroke of a pen" Jesus said NONE of the Old Covenant law was changed even if the transcribers left off a "," tail on a "j" word which changed the original word to mean something different than the original law stated.
This is a sister scripture to Matthew 5:17 ~~ where Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish (abrogate, LUD) the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish (abrogate, LUD) them but to fulfill them."
Both verses apply to the erroroneous teaching of the Catholic Church, LUD.
DO NOT change the original law, or think I am doing away with original Law, I am not --- even though you want to try to twist it and contort it to suit your heretical teachings. 
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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There are a very, very, very few people who have never broken any of the ten commandments---Jesus and Mary never did, for instance. "All have sinned" means practically all have sinned.
Attention everyone! "All" now means "practically all."
We should keep in mind that Enoch, Elijah, Mary, and other mer mortals who never sinned were able to accomplish this only by extremely extraordinary graces from God,
graces that came from the shed Blood of Jesus Christ on the cross.
So you say. Where does Jesus say that? Oh, that's right, He doesn't. You're just spouting the doctrines of men. And don't you think "extremely extraordinary" is a bit much? What's wrong with just plain old "extraordinary"? What's the difference between "extremely extraordinary" and plain old regular extraordinary?
They weren't perfectly siness by their own power
So you say. More doctrines of men. By the way, what does "siness" mean in this context? I have allergies. I take medicines for my siness.
---Jesus was their Savior too.
That's a non sequitur. Do you believe Jesus was your Savior? Why do you refuse to obey Him then? He says you don't love Him because of that. You know, "actions speak louder than words." If you obeyed Him he would interpret those actions as meaning that you love Him. So why don't you? Just try not calling priests, "Father." If you do it with an open mind, I guarantee you will grow closer to Jesus.
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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 wassa matta blocker
Afraid I will tell the truth and ream you a new one?
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followjesusonly
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1/15/2017 2:42:33 PM Bidding the forum farewell..
cupocheer
My sincerest thanks to the Christians, and other faithful, who post on this forum for entertaining my presence among you during these last few months.
This will be my last entry on this forum as God has called me away from this mission field and is leading in new directions to work with.
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Luke 16:16 means that the Levitical laws have been repealed. Luke 16:17 means that the ten commandments still stand.
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| 1/25/2017 2:14:19 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Luke 16:16 means that the Levitical laws have been repealed. Luke 16:17 means that the ten commandments still stand.
Except for the one your church discarded so that it can have and worship idols, and the one concerning the day of the Sabbath, which your church has changed to the pagan day of the Sun God.
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| 1/25/2017 3:08:17 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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I've been going to the Catholic Church for over 46 years now and I have never seen any idols.
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| 1/25/2017 6:34:32 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]I've been going to the Catholic Church for over 46 years now and I have never seen any idols.[/]
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You see what you want to see. That's why you don't see your own sin of calumny and other false witness evils. You are self righteous.
Go to Google Images and search for "Catholic Idols."
Your churches are full of them.
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| 1/28/2017 5:53:14 AM |
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dipthong
Montgomery, AL
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Hey Lud explain why in Daniel 7:25 why the antichrist "shall intend to change time and law" if they were done away with anyway? Just curious what the catholics decided that means.
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| 1/28/2017 7:20:02 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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Hey Lud explain why in Daniel 7:25 why the antichrist "shall intend to change time and law" if they were done away with anyway? Just curious what the catholics decided that means.
Not being frivolous, Dip --- but you did ask LUD what Catholics decided Daniel means, didn't you?
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| 1/28/2017 8:27:15 AM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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I imagine it means the Antichrist will try to change tge ten commandments, God's unchanhging laws for all peoples at all times.
It is very important to distinguish between the ten commandments, which have universal application, and the Levitical law, which Jesus repealed at Luke 16:16, and which never applied to any except the Jews even when it was in force.
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| 1/28/2017 2:21:51 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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I imagine it means the Antichrist will try to change tge ten commandments, God's unchanhging laws for all peoples at all times.
It is very important to distinguish between the ten commandments, which have universal application, and the Levitical law, which Jesus repealed at Luke 16:16, and which never applied to any except the Jews even when it was in force.
Your church is the antiChrist then, since it has changed the commandments.
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| 1/28/2017 3:22:10 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Which commandments did the Church change? I am not aware of the Church changing any of the commandments.
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| 1/28/2017 4:51:39 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Which commandments did the Church change? I am not aware of the Church changing any of the commandments.
Nonsense. This has been posted many times.
Your church eliminated the 2nd commandment about having idols and graven images so that it could have them and bow down before them...
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
And your sect changed the Sabbath Day commandment from Saturday to the Day of the Sun god, Mithras.
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| 1/28/2017 5:21:23 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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The Catholic Church has no idols. Not all statues are idols. Didn't you ever have a nativity set?
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| 1/28/2017 6:56:48 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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The Catholic Church has no idols. Not all statues are idols. Didn't you ever have a nativity set?
You are in a terrible, terrible state of denial. Apparently people who deprogram cult members run into this all the time.
And now you have cleverly changed the subject from "did the cathlick church eliminate the commandment against idols", to "we don't have idols."
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| 1/28/2017 7:57:53 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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The people in that picture are not praying to a statue. They are praying to Mary, whom the statue represents. That's why that statue isn't an idol.
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| 1/28/2017 7:59:52 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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The people in that picture are not praying to a statue. They are praying to Mary, whom the statue represents. That's why that statue isn't an idol.
Deeper and deeper into unreality you descend.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father.
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| 1/28/2017 9:45:22 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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When we pray to a saint, we do pray to the Father, because the saint prays for us.
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| 1/28/2017 10:22:19 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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Deeper and deeper into unreality you descend.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father.
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