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1/16/2017 10:35:50 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

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1/16/2017 11:22:09 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  
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In August 2016, the largest single release under President Obama took place, when 15 men — 12 Yemenis and three Afghans — were released in the United Arab Emirates. Six of these men had been approved for release by Obama’s task force in 2010, and nine others had been approved for release by Periodic Review Boards. In October, another release took place — of Mohamedou Ould Slahi, torture victim and best-selling author, who had also been approved for release by a PRB, and in December another Yemeni approved for release by a PRB was freed in Cape Verde.

As 2017 began, President Obama released four more Yemeni prisoners — to Saudi Arabia, also promising to release between 13 and 15 of the 19 men approved for release before he leaves office and the uncertainties of Donald Trump’s presidency begin in earnest.



Guantanamo Periodic Review Boards
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1/16/2017 11:23:58 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

naprinciple
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Good! Release all of them, or quit pretending we value the rule of law.

1/16/2017 11:27:57 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

longbobby
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Quote from naprinciple:
Good! Release all of them, or quit pretending we value the rule of law.


But, but, but, if that happened, who would the Israeli guards have to torture?

1/16/2017 11:42:20 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

naprinciple
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Quote from longbobby:
But, but, but, if that happened, who would the Israeli guards have to torture?




Where should America's torture take place? Would it be any better if Americans did their own torturing, assuming it's being outsourced to Israel now?

1/16/2017 11:45:34 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

longbobby
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Quote from naprinciple:
Where should America's torture take place? Would it be any better if Americans did their own torturing, assuming it's being outsourced to Israel now?


Israelis have been doing the torture for at least the past 10 years. Remember the Abu Ghraib scandal? Remember the rendition scandal in Afghanistan?

That was because of the Israelis torturing the prisoners. They go where the prisoners are and at the moment that is Gitmo.

1/16/2017 11:46:46 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

naprinciple
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So how should America's torture be carried out?

1/16/2017 12:21:52 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

longbobby
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Quote from naprinciple:
So how should America's torture be carried out?


It shouldn't be done at all. Supposedly, the govt has it's "reasons" for keeping torture as an "option".

The Case for Bringing Back Torture Is a Ticking Time-Bomb - The ...
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Dec 12, 2016 ... “I don't give a damn what the president of the United States wants to do. ... As in the aughts, the CIA is likelier than the Pentagon to run U.S. government torture ... Mitchell's op-ed doesn't claim that his brutal interrogations defused a .... turn out for the annual March for Life, which is coming up on January 27.

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Feb 14, 2005 ... Arar is suing the U.S. government for his mistreatment. .... The agency realized that “we had to come up with a third party.” ... the Americans could give the Egyptian interrogators questions they wanted put to the detainees in .... As Yoo saw it, Congress doesn't have the power to “tie the President's hands in ...

Why CIA interrogations report matters: Torture doesn't work and ...
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But, that's all crap. The real reason is the U.S. govt is appeasing the govt of Israel. J()()'s don't want to have to give up their play toys at Gitmo and other locations.

1/16/2017 12:44:38 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

naprinciple
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Agreed. No one should ever be tortured. Why do you support Trump again? Isn't he pro torture, even for torturing family members of suspected terrorists?

1/16/2017 2:05:43 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

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Quote from naprinciple:
Agreed. No one should ever be tortured. Why do you support Trump again? Isn't he pro torture, even for torturing family members of suspected terrorists?

How did you come up with torturing family members?

Provide a link.

1/16/2017 2:13:33 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

longbobby
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Quote from naprinciple:
Agreed. No one should ever be tortured. Why do you support Trump again? Isn't he pro torture, even for torturing family members of suspected terrorists?


Who says Trump supports torture?

Zio media?

Trumps tweets?

Here is a good tip for you, nap. Keep track of Trumps tweets and his you tube channel. NEVER believe anything from the Zio media. Get it straight from Trump himself.

That's what I do and guess what? Trump hasn't said anything about torture in his tweets.

1/16/2017 5:38:50 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

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Another land grab the other day. He should be good for a few more.

1/16/2017 5:42:52 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

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1/16/2017 11:13:24 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  
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Quote from nycman530:


after serving two terms..i think we all know Obama is leaving on his own terms,lol

1/16/2017 11:16:19 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  
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It will be good when he is gone but he is young and there is still much he can do to try and tear us down. Sadly...we have not seen the last of him...

1/16/2017 11:17:58 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  
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WE know that...the right dingers seem to think that they've accomplished a coup.

1/16/2017 11:35:24 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

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Quote from texasproud52:
It will be good when he is gone but he is young and there is still much he can do to try and tear us down. Sadly...we have not seen the last of him...


Obama and Moochelle need one way tickets to Antarctica!

1/16/2017 11:37:54 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  
scarredandtatto
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They do? For what?

1/17/2017 12:14:21 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

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He can play golf on the Whitehouse lawn.
God bless Obama.
I wish him no harm.

1/17/2017 12:26:08 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  
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Quote from nycman530:
Obama and Moochelle need one way tickets to Antarctica!


I think you will realize Obama is more of a representative of American values than Trump is and in the end Trump will be needing Obama's help to restore America's image after Trump destroys it.

wanna bet?

after Bush left office Clinton and Carter helped , even the Bush's "used" Bill's popularity to help restore the Bush's image worldwide

1/17/2017 1:04:27 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  
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Quote from fallguy02379:
I think you will realize Obama is more of a representative of American values than Trump is and in the end Trump will be needing Obama's help to restore America's image after Trump destroys it.

wanna bet?

after Bush left office Clinton and Carter helped , even the Bush's "used" Bill's popularity to help restore the Bush's image worldwide
They are all nwo



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1/17/2017 9:59:03 AM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

naprinciple
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Quote from fallguy02379:
I think you will realize Obama is more of a representative of American values than Trump is and in the end Trump will be needing Obama's help to restore America's image after Trump destroys it.

wanna bet?

after Bush left office Clinton and Carter helped , even the Bush's "used" Bill's popularity to help restore the Bush's image worldwide




Care to enumerate those "American values"?

1/17/2017 5:28:47 PM Obama's last days to swing the pendulum.  

longbobby
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Kerry says it's inappropriate for Trump to step into German politics; where was he when Obama tried to step into British politics to stop Brexit?!