| 1/16/2017 10:47:30 PM |
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lmfc7_9
Mexico City
Mexico
33, joined Oct. 2016
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'followjesusonly' is not very honest.
Paul of 'the NT' is his problem, and he is relatively right, because a certain percentage (i don't know the exact percentage) of Paul's writings and teachings are wrong, stupid, and so on.
But 'Fjo' is also wrong, stupid, etc.
Why?
Because URANTIA supports, and at the same time, negatively criticizes Paul of the NT.
URANTIA's support of the NT's Paul:
100:6.6 One of the most amazing earmarks of religious living is that dynamic and sublime peace, that peace which passes all human understanding, that cosmic poise which betokens the absence of all doubt and turmoil. Such levels of spiritual stability are immune to disappointment. Such religionists are like the Apostle Paul, who said: "I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else shall be able to separate us from the love of God."
There is MORE support, find it out by yourselves:
http://starspring.com/online/ubsearch/ubsearch.html.
And URANTIA DOES say Paul is JESUS' Apostle (with the capital 'A'), not once, but 12 (twelve) times!!!.
So, in whatever form, Paul KNEW JESUS, GOD knows how many times, giving him revelations to pass on to us and to the whole world!!!.
Paul talks about the Antichrist, for example.
Fjo surely rejects those revelations, because his adorable Bart guy tells him to do so, LOL.  .
And OK, that Bart has his important and interesting points, but not all that shines is gold.
So fjo is not to be very trusted very much in very IMPORTANT issues either.
See ya, Guys!!!.
Sincerely,
.luismarco., 32, white, born and living in Mexico City  .
PS: i'm very certain fjo won't reply to this at all whatsoever simply because he won't be able to, he can't!!!.  .
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| 1/16/2017 11:18:55 PM |
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lmfc7_9
Mexico City
Mexico
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he might block me, as is commonplace with him.
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| 1/17/2017 12:03:49 AM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Do you believe in eugenics? Do you think black, Asian, Mexican handicapped are inferior or degenerate? Do you believe there are 700,000 gods? Then you'll love the Urantia Book.
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| 1/17/2017 1:41:26 AM |
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lmfc7_9
Mexico City
Mexico
33, joined Oct. 2016
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Do you believe in eugenics? Do you think black, Asian, Mexican handicapped are inferior or degenerate? Do you believe there are 700,000 gods? Then you'll love the Urantia Book.
i know positive eugenics is a positive reality. i know you corrupt the URANTIA text to say the phisically handicapped are degeneraye, etc and i challenge you to quote URANTIA regarding your corruption of inferior ones and supposed handicapped, etc. Yes there are some less than 700,000 Gods, not 'gods', perverted 'ludLOW': didn't JESUS said 'I and the FATHER are one'???, then there are other lesser Gods like JESUS who have lived in other inhabited planets. you live in your total ignorance and you won't be able to reply to this, simply because you can't!, i dare you to!!!.  .
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| 1/17/2017 11:49:42 AM |
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
64, joined Oct. 2007
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The U-ranchers here admit that the information comes from some "divine, super-being."
I really don't see how you can title your thread a "reply" to any of the Urantia thread. You really don't address the main issues.
For example, do the U-ranchers believe that the Urantia Book was channeled by some type of "divine, super-being"?
Does Urantia describe God as a "trinity"?
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| 1/18/2017 12:03:38 AM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Okay, Imfc, I will ask you the same question I have been asking FJO and KB for years, a question they have never answered: who exactly are these :inferior" and "degenerate" people the Urantia Book speaks of?
Margaret Sanger and Adolf Hitler, the two great eugenicists of the twentieth century, felt that the darker-skinned and the handicapped people of the world were degenerate and inferior, and unless you Urantia guys will tell us otherwise, shouldn't we assume that that is what the Urantia Book means also?
The eugenics philosophy is as evil a philosophy as to have ever been invented. Why can't you guys see that?
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| 1/18/2017 8:58:19 AM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a sick pathetic man, Ludlow. You assert it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons because that is what those who rejected and killed Jesus believed. And you assert that God ordered man to slaughter untold thousands of animals and even to kill Jesus to "show man how horrible sin is." Yet what you complain about is the UB saying that there are "somewhat" inferior and degenerate strains of "unidentified" humans for which reproduction should be curtailed in a humane fashion which they clearly leave up to man to identify and curtail if and when man chooses to do so. You are truly a sick man, Ludlow.
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| 1/18/2017 9:19:00 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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Reading TnTeachers comments makes me think of a Jew trying to convince people that God didn't get pissed off at the Jews for their disobedience.
Kind of like the LDS and the SDA confusionists.
 XashaX
How's Judaism these days?
Oh, I mean, Sharon.... 
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| 1/18/2017 9:19:51 AM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
46, joined Jul. 2014
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I really don't see how you can title your thread a "reply" to any of the Urantia thread. You really don't address the main issues.
For example, do the U-ranchers believe that the Urantia Book was channeled by some type of "divine, super-being"?
Does Urantia describe God as a "trinity"?
it's funny since angels are to be the ones to interpret this Urantia book. Angels are to obey God and this heavenly new gift seems more like another Mormon trick with angels and slight of hand.
here is one fact we do know.
no angel of the high God Jehova would make any other claim than that which God Himself made.
the urantia is multiple claims that do not relate to scripture and its interpretations are like reading the comics from "mad Magazine".
anyone who is truthfully saved by Christ can feel their skin crawl when they try to read the urantia from it being full of lies and the devil 
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| 1/18/2017 9:38:15 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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It just struck my funny bone... somebody is asking for somebody to make a logical argument in reference to an illogical theory about a non-existant religion without a religious basis and not use the terms "scam", "rip-off", "cult" in forming a response.
EARTH to Earthlings
Have you ever visited that Scientology cult center in Tampa?
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| 1/18/2017 10:18:17 AM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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iam_resurrected, you are another brain and spiritually dead fundamentalist who believes GOD, our Holy Heavenly Father is a murderous God who ordered man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons and has a BLOOD LUST ordering man to slaughter untold numbers of animals for centuries as a sacrifice and was unwilling to forgive man for sin until He had His own Son tortured and crucified.
Your unquestioned book worship has made you a blasphemer, iam_resurrected, and you haven't read the UB so you cite no specifics in your post and consequently you are just spewing out false unsupported accusations because you can't stand the truth of the teachings of Jesus revealed to us in the UB.
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| 1/18/2017 10:32:51 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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| 1/18/2017 12:51:15 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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I'll try one more time. Urantiaists, the Urantia Book speaks of "inferior" and "degenerate" strains of people. The eugenicists Margaret Sanger and Adolf Hitler identified these people as Africans, handicapped people, and in the case of Hitler, Jews. My question: who do you guys identify as the inferior and degenerate?
KB, you are always whining that no one answers your questions. Could you answer it for me? Do you deny that William Sadler and the Kellogg family meant Africans and handicapped people?
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| 1/18/2017 7:23:41 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a sick pathetic man, Ludlow. You assert it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons because that is what those who rejected and killed Jesus believed. And you assert that God ordered man to slaughter untold thousands of animals and even to kill Jesus to "show man how horrible sin is." Yet what you complain about is the UB saying that there are "somewhat" inferior and degenerate strains of "unidentified" humans for which reproduction should be curtailed in a humane fashion which they clearly leave up to man to identify and curtail if and when man chooses to do so. You are truly a sick man, Ludlow.
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| 1/18/2017 8:04:33 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Whose reproduction would you curtail, KB? Which race, which ethnicity, do you consider to be so inferior and degenerate that you feel that you, or the government, has the right to step in ans say, uh-uh, no more kids for you? Whoever the almighty government thinks? Whichever ethnic group is unpopular at the time?
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| 1/18/2017 8:17:13 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a sick pathetic man, Ludlow. You assert it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons because that is what those who rejected and killed Jesus believed. And you assert that God ordered man to slaughter untold thousands of animals and even to kill Jesus to "show man how horrible sin is." Yet what you complain about is the UB saying that there are "somewhat" inferior and degenerate strains of "unidentified" humans for which reproduction should be curtailed in a humane fashion which they clearly leave up to man to identify and curtail if and when man chooses to do so. You are truly a sick man, Ludlow.
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| 1/18/2017 8:48:33 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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"Somehat" inferior? "Somewhat" degenerate?
1. Does the Urantia Book teach that some ethnic groups are "somewhat" inferior and degenerate, and others just plain out-and-out inferior and degenerate, or is the word "somewhat" added by you? If some ethnic groups are somewhat degenerate, maybe those guys are inferior without being degenerate?
2. Please identify these inferior and degenerate strains for us, KB, and tell us how many children they should be limited to.
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| 1/19/2017 11:34:58 AM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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"Somehat" inferior? "Somewhat" degenerate?
1. Does the Urantia Book teach that some ethnic groups are "somewhat" inferior and degenerate, and others just plain out-and-out inferior and degenerate, or is the word "somewhat" added by you? If some ethnic groups are somewhat degenerate, maybe those guys are inferior without being degenerate?
You are asking stupid questions because you are willfully ignorant, Ludlow. But even worse, far worse, you are arrogantly and blasphemous spiritually and that is why you have nothing to say with regard to your murderous beliefs and teachings about God contrary to the life and teachings of Jesus that I state in my post. Look in the mirror. Examine your soul and compare it to the loving and caring soul (nature of God) that Jesus revealed. Your refusal to be spiritually led because of your loyalty to the teachings of a man (pope) and his church and your adamant murderous beliefs and teachings about God to your brethren is going to be your downfall, Ludlow.
The "somewhat" inferior comment had reference to the six evolutionary races of color that occur on evolutionary worlds which are "somewhat" inferior one to another and this pertains to a time period on this world of approx. 500 thousand to 1 million years ago.
2. Please identify these inferior and degenerate strains for us, KB, and tell us how many children they should be limited to.
I have told you several times now that they are not identified in the UB and that the UB authors leave the entire problem up to man to resolve if man chooses. The UB only states that there are "markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks" on this world but as I say they do not identify them.
If you don't believe there are such "markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks" on this world for which it would be a good idea that reproduction should be curtailed I suggest you watch some of the History channel shows on the inhuman, savage and barbaric mind set and actions of those hardened murderers and rapists in the prisons of Columbia, Peru and other places in the world and in the USA prison system and psychopathic wards as well as in the crime ridden major cities like Los Angeles and don't forget those ISIS brainwashed radical Islam butchers who have subordinated their mind to someone's interpretation of the Koran who are chopping off the heads of Christians.
And speaking for myself I think you are a "degenerate" Ludlow for you by your murderous beliefs and teachings about God and asserting it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake if they don't believe as you do and asserting that is what you believe and teach Jesus would order man to do SHOWS to me whether you realize it or not that you are serving the desires of Satan - and are thus degenerating as a matter of choice into oblivion.
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| 1/19/2017 12:05:56 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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William Sadler and his pals/backers/in-laws the Kellogg family believed that Africans were of markedly inferior, didn't they?
Face it, KB, your Urantia Book is a racist book.
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| 1/19/2017 1:33:26 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are asking stupid questions because you are willfully ignorant, Ludlow. But even worse, far worse, you are arrogantly and blasphemous spiritually and that is why you have nothing to say with regard to your murderous beliefs and teachings about God contrary to the life and teachings of Jesus that I state in my post. Look in the mirror. Examine your soul and compare it to the loving and caring soul (nature of God) that Jesus revealed. Your refusal to be spiritually led because of your loyalty to the teachings of a man (pope) and his church and your adamant murderous beliefs and teachings about God to your brethren is going to be your downfall, Ludlow.
And speaking for myself I think you are a "degenerate" Ludlow for you by your murderous beliefs and teachings about God and asserting it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake if they don't believe as you do and asserting that is what you believe and teach Jesus would order man to do SHOWS to me whether you realize it or not that you are serving the desires of Satan - and are thus degenerating as a matter of choice into oblivion.
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| 1/19/2017 2:38:51 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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KB's idea of God:
Hi, everyone! I'm God! There are 700,000 just like me in the universe, but I am your local God.
I am sweet and gentle. Please, children, don't sin. Please obey the ten commandments, but if you don't, I don't care. I won't punish you. I'm too sweet and gentle. Rob, murder, steal, rape, cheat on the wife---I forgive you all...
...all except for you nasty dark-skinned and handicapped people! You anger me! You outrage me! Oh, dear, my blood pressure is rising. That hurts a little wimp like me. You nasty handicapped and dark-skinned people better not have any children!
I am the sweet and gentle God (one of them) of Urantia! So sweet, so gentle, but sometimes I make a boo-boo and create inferior and degenerate dark skinned and handicapped people.
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| 1/19/2017 4:29:00 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a sick pathetic man, Ludlow. You assert it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons because that is what those who rejected and killed Jesus believed. And you assert that God ordered man to slaughter untold thousands of animals and even to kill Jesus to "show man how horrible sin is." Yet what you complain about is the UB saying that there are "somewhat" inferior and degenerate strains of "unidentified" humans for which reproduction should be curtailed in a humane fashion which they clearly leave up to man to identify and curtail if and when man chooses to do so. You are truly a sick man, Ludlow. |
| 1/19/2017 4:49:05 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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I believe that one day God will severely punish all unrepentant sinners, but that He dearly loves dark-skinned and handicapped people. If that makes me corrupt I guess I am corrupt.
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| 1/19/2017 4:51:45 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are a sick pathetic man, Ludlow.
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| 1/19/2017 7:08:56 PM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
46, joined Jul. 2014
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iam_resurrected, you are another brain and spiritually dead fundamentalist who believes GOD, our Holy Heavenly Father is a murderous God who ordered man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons and has a BLOOD LUST ordering man to slaughter untold numbers of animals for centuries as a sacrifice and was unwilling to forgive man for sin until He had His own Son tortured and crucified.
Your unquestioned book worship has made you a blasphemer, iam_resurrected, and you haven't read the UB so you cite no specifics in your post and consequently you are just spewing out false unsupported accusations because you can't stand the truth of the teachings of Jesus revealed to us in the UB.
there was only meant to be so much interpretation since the bible is the Holy Ghost (God Breathed/Spirit filled) inspired WORD of GOD!!!
no angel has any right to change the meaning of God's Word since we are not allowed.
WE, AS BELIEVERS have MORE RIGHTS to GOD than the lowly angels.
let alone PRETEND ANGELS changing God's WORD for their own benefit.
that is pure DEVIL just like the Urantia crap...
Angels MUST OBEY and WE do not...that puts us higher on the food chain for rewards of God...
WE are created with FREE WILL something no angel has...
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| 1/19/2017 7:12:57 PM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
46, joined Jul. 2014
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we get second chances and angels got one time to be with God or follow satan...
we sin and can seek forgiveness.
angel sins and there is no forgiveness for them.
totally makes your Urantia full of crap then...
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| 1/19/2017 7:34:28 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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You are full of crap. Angels can rebel and reject Gods divine loving will the same as you do.
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| 1/19/2017 9:57:39 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Why will God forgive a sinful human being and not a sinful angel? Because an angel can't repent. It is not in the angelic nature for an angel to ever change his mind once that angel makes up his mind.
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| 1/19/2017 11:52:18 PM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
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You are full of crap. Angels can rebel and reject Gods divine loving will the same as you do.
I said they can but cannot be forgiven like us.
they are not designed to have free will.
but they do have a sense of loyalty.
even the fallen angels are loyal to Lucifer.
so, the angels show us the only 2 choices to be made.
difference is we can sin and be forgiven.
they can sin and never be forgiven.
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| 1/20/2017 9:37:43 AM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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You're on the right track, Iam, but angels do have free will. What they lack, what we have, is the ability to change their minds. Once an angel makes up his mind he lacks the God-given power to reconsider. Why? Because God made them that way. Why did He make them that way? I have no idea, but of course God knows best.
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| 1/20/2017 10:44:31 AM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
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I like your explanation.
makes sense that an angel would make its mind up and never see reason to change it.
which makes you ask why did angels change their minds on God choosing Lucifer.
either way, the angel was going to choose to follow someone.
and which makes it clearer that if we are not to know certain things until we see heaven then these so-called angels of the urantia book seems to be CHOOSING to do God WRONG.
their revelation(s) goes completely against God's WORD.
to me, that makes them demonic.
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| 1/20/2017 12:04:15 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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It's not my explanation, it's the Catholic Church's teaching on the subject.
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| 1/20/2017 1:01:41 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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I like your explanation.
makes sense that an angel would make its mind up and never see reason to change it.
which makes you ask why did angels change their minds on God choosing Lucifer.
either way, the angel was going to choose to follow someone.
and which makes it clearer that if we are not to know certain things until we see heaven then these so-called angels of the urantia book seems to be CHOOSING to do God WRONG.
their revelation(s) goes completely against God's WORD.
to me, that makes them demonic.
The Bible in its entirety is NOT Gods word. God does not make murderers of men and God does not have a blood lust and God did NOT orchestrate or require/demand that His son Jesus be tortured and killed to atone for the sin of man. Lucifer was a being of a higher order than angels and he rebelled against Gods will and so did angels as you acknowledge so they both have freewill and hopefully they will exercise it and forsake their rebellious ways before it is finally adjudicated.
You are saying things and making false accusations that you really know nothing about. What in the UB do you claim according to the Bible we are not to know until we see heaven?
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| 1/20/2017 2:35:33 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Some trust in the Blood of Jesus Christ. Others, like KB and Tnteacher, trust in their own righteousness.
"And he [Jesus] said to them: This is my blood of the New Testament, WHICH SHALL BE SHED FOR MANY."
--Mark 14:24 (the Last Supper narratives in Matthew and Luke also say that Jesus said that His Blood would be shed for many---Jesus Himself is saying that His Blood washed away sin)
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| 1/20/2017 3:27:55 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Church ordered heretics tortued and burned at the stake precisely because the heretics opposed the Church's message of love and peace.
How Christian like. 
You are truly morally and spiritually insane.
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| 1/20/2017 4:29:31 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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I've been a Catholic for almost 46 years now. I've heard a lot of sermons about Jesus and His love and peace. Not once have I ever heard a sermon about bringing the Inquisition back.
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| 1/20/2017 5:03:26 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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That's irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that you are clearly morally and spiritually insane to think the way you do.
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| 1/20/2017 6:33:04 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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It's not irrelevant at all. The main teaching of the Catholic Church is, and always has been, Jesus and His love and mercy. The Inquisition, back when we had it, was a sideshow, and nobody today wants to bring it back.
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| 1/20/2017 6:39:08 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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That's irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that you are clearly morally and spiritually insane/degenerate to think the way you do.
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| 1/20/2017 7:42:29 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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It's very relevant.
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| 1/21/2017 11:27:17 AM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Ludlow you are a sick pathetic liar who is clearly experiencing mind and personality disruption.
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| 1/21/2017 12:17:23 PM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
46, joined Jul. 2014
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The Bible in its entirety is NOT Gods word.
and the UB is far from any authority to make such claims.
there is no authority but GOD.
not angels who spread lies to fools old enough to die any moment 
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| 1/21/2017 12:38:43 PM |
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
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What happened to lmfc7_9?
It seems he bailed.
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| 1/21/2017 1:36:05 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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@ iam_resurrected
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
iam_resurrected, do you really believe it is righteous and just to kill people for those reasons?
Do you actually believe that is what Jesus would order man to do?
Do you actually believe God is so murderous and filled with wrath, vengeance and a blood lust that He would order man to slaughter untold thousands of animals for centuries as a appeasement sacrifice and then require His own Son's death in a horrible crucifixion as a blood sacrifice before He would forgive man for sin?
If you believe Jesus' death was necessary as a blood sacrifice to atone for the sin of man then why didn't Jesus come as said sacrifice before God supposedly found it necessary to destroy everyone in the world except Noah and his family in a worldwide flood?
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| 1/21/2017 2:39:27 PM |
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
64, joined Oct. 2007
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Perhaps kb is having trouble distinguishing between reality and his own fantasies.
About half his list is bogus...
I can see how this list might have taken some time and research. It is hard to put all these things into the worse light you can muster. Notice how he uses the NLT and the NAB? Probably he uses the NLT only when the NAB doesn't sound bad enough.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
CLV Dt 17:12 Yet the man who acts with arrogance by not hearkening at all to the priest (who is standing to minister in the name of Yahweh your Elohim) or to the judge, that man must die. Thus you will eradicate the evil from Israel,
13 and all the people shall hear and fear, and not act arrogantly again.
Not exactly not listening. Apparently intermittent listening will not call for death.
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
CLV Pr 20:20 He who maledicts his father and his mother, His lamp shall be extinguished at the approach of darkness.
His lamp might be symbolic but there is no order to kill anyone. The maledicts/slight is also used figuratively.
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
CLV Lv 21:9 In case the daughter of a priestly man should profane herself by prostitution, she is profaning her father; with fire shall she be burned.
Being burned and being killed by fire are two very separate things.
There is no such word as "fornication." We can see how this word is used to substitute what the Scriptures actually say.
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
CLV Ex 22:19 Anyone lying with a beast shall be put to death, yea death.
20 Anyone sacrificing to any elohim is doomed, unless it be to Yahweh, to Him alone.
Death to anyone caught lying with an animal. But no "death to followers of other religions." It sounds like they go to a "jail."
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
CLV Dt 13:15 then you shall smite, yea smite the dwellers of that city with the edge of the sword. Doom it, all those who are in it and its domestic beasts, with the edge of the sword.
"Doom" means jail time. This could mean that they get battered around a bit.
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
There was a test involving goats blood, I think. This was the test spoken of in 20.
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Now this was not all the uncommon. It was common to kill someone who worshiped another deity as many of these religions were national religions of another nation. It was tantamount to having a spy.
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
CLV Ro 1:32 those who, recognizing the just statute of God, that those committing such things are deserving of death, not only are doing them, but are endorsing, also, those who are committing them.
It says they are deserving of death. But the Romans would not allow the Jews to put anyone to death. They could bring their case to Rome abd hope for the best.
Even Jesus could not be killed by the Jews. The temple guards were certainly capable of executions.
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
CLV Num 1:51 When the tabernacle is to journey the Levites shall take it down; and when the tabernacle is to encamp the Levites shall set it up. But any alien who comes near shall be put to death.
Again, this is tantamount to killing a spy. This pertained only to "aliens" or those not known to Yahweh or Israel.
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| 1/21/2017 3:09:59 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Some trust in their own righteousness. Others trust in the shed precious Blood of Jesus Christ.
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| 1/21/2017 5:44:32 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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But you have claimed God had Jesus tortured and crucified to "show us how horrible sin is."
You are clearly contradictory, corrupt and experiencing mind and personality disruption, Ludlow.
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| 1/21/2017 8:34:48 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Which do you trust in, KB, your own righteousness, or the Blood of Christ?
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| 1/22/2017 10:15:03 AM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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That's a STUPID question. I don't trust in my own righteousness and I don't trust in the blood of Christ. For I know a righteous loving God would not have untold thousands of animals slaughtered by man for centuries as a sacrificial atonement nor would he have Jesus tortured and crucified to "show us how horrible sin is" as you in your warped mind claim and teach, Ludlow.
[Edited 1/22/2017 10:15:46 AM ]
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| 1/22/2017 12:36:05 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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Why do you not respond, iam_resurrected?
@ iam_resurrected
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
iam_resurrected, do you really believe it is righteous and just to kill people for those reasons?
Do you actually believe that is what Jesus would order man to do?
Do you actually believe God is so murderous and filled with wrath, vengeance and a blood lust that He would order man to slaughter untold thousands of animals for centuries as a appeasement sacrifice and then require His own Son's death in a horrible crucifixion as a blood sacrifice before He would forgive man for sin?
If you believe Jesus' death was necessary as a blood sacrifice to atone for the sin of man then why didn't Jesus come as said sacrifice before God supposedly found it necessary to destroy everyone in the world except Noah and his family in a worldwide flood?
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| 1/22/2017 1:28:46 PM |
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
64, joined Oct. 2007
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Perhaps kb is having trouble distinguishing between reality and his own fantasies.
About half his list is bogus...
I can see how this list might have taken some time and research. It is hard to put all these things in the worse light you can muster. Notice how he uses the NLT and the NAB? Probably he uses the NLT only when the NAB doesn't sound bad enough.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
CLV Dt 17:12 Yet the man who acts with arrogance by not hearkening at all to the priest (who is standing to minister in the name of Yahweh your Elohim) or to the judge, that man must die. Thus you will eradicate the evil from Israel,
13 and all the people shall hear and fear, and not act arrogantly again.
Not exactly. Apparently, intermittent listening will not call for death.
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
CLV Pr 20:20 He who maledicts his father and his mother, His lamp shall be extinguished at the approach of darkness.
His lamp might be symbolic but there is no order to kill anyone. The maledicts/light is also used figuratively.
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
CLV Lv 21:9 In case the daughter of a priestly man should profane herself by prostitution, she is profaning her father; with fire shall she be burned.
Being burned and being killed by fire are two very separate things.
There is no such word as "fornication." We can see how this word is used to substitute what the Scriptures actually say.
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
CLV Ex 22:19 Anyone lying with a beast shall be put to death, yea death.
20 Anyone sacrificing to any elohim is doomed, unless it be to Yahweh, to Him alone.
Death to anyone caught lying with an animal. But no "death to followers of other religions." It sounds like they go to a "jail."
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
CLV Dt 13:15 then you shall smite, yea smite the dwellers of that city with the edge of the sword. Doom it, all those who are in it and its domestic beasts, with the edge of the sword.
"Doom" means jail time. This could mean that they get battered around a bit.
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
There was a test involving goats blood, I think. This was the test spoken of in 20.
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Now, this was not all the uncommon. It was common to kill someone who worshiped another deity as many of these religions were national religions of another nation. It was tantamount to having a spy.
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
CLV Ro 1:32 those who, recognizing the just statute of God, that those committing such things are deserving of death, not only are doing them, but are endorsing, also, those who are committing them.
It says they are deserving of death. But the Romans would not allow the Jews to put anyone to death. They could bring their case to Rome and hope for the best.
Even Jesus could not be killed by the Jews. The temple guards were certainly capable of executions.
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
CLV Num 1:51 When the tabernacle is to journey the Levites shall take it down; and when the tabernacle is to encamp the Levites shall set it up. But any alien who comes near shall be put to death.
Again, this is tantamount to killing a spy. This pertained only to "aliens" or those not known to Yahweh or Israel.
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| 1/22/2017 2:05:21 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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Bigd days:
Perhaps kb is having trouble distinguishing between reality and his own fantasies.
About half his list is bogus...
Once again from behind is block Bigd claims that since his CLV Bible is the only true translation that all other translations are false and his interpretation of what his CLV says is the truth and not open to any other interpretation.
He has posted this several times now and each time I have asked him to respond to my counterclaim but he is so opinionated and dishonest he keeps on refusing but I will ask again.
Bigd even if as you claim half are bogus why don't you answer the questions I ask with respect to the other half?
I say its clear you don't because you lack the integrity to be honest when the truth doesn't serve your CLV Bible and you really don't give a damn whether killing people for all those reasons is righteous and just or not for as far as you are concerned what is in your ClV Bible is Gods truth/word no matter what Jesus taught. That's about it, right bigd?
That being so you are clearly in your heart no more righteous than the Pharisees, right, bigd?
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| 1/22/2017 2:09:27 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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That's a STUPID question. I don't trust in my own righteousness and I don't trust in the blood of Christ. For I know a righteous loving God would not have untold thousands of animals slaughtered by man for centuries as a sacrificial atonement nor would he have Jesus tortured and crucified to "show us how horrible sin is" as you in your warped mind claim and teach, Ludlow.
You trust then in a wimpy God Who never punishes anybody for anything. That's foolish, KB. Learn to trust in the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ, shed for us on Calvary.
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| 1/22/2017 2:42:02 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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You trust then in a wimpy God Who never punishes anybody for anything. That's foolish, KB. Learn to trust in the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ, shed for us on Calvary.
You are a sick man and a pathetic excuse for a Christian, Ludlow. God is not in the punishment business. Man suffers from the consequences of his own ungodly actions and your murderous and blasphemous teachings about God in rejection of the teachings of Jesus is resulting in you becoming increasingly spiritually unreal.
You are so warped/corrupt of mind you can't bring yourself to honestly answer questions but I will ask these two again anyway.
If you believe Jesus' death was necessary as a blood sacrifice to atone for the sin of man why do you say it was to "show us how horrible sin is" Ludlow?
If you believe Jesus' death was necessary as a blood sacrifice to atone for the sin of man then why didn't Jesus come as said sacrifice before God supposedly found it necessary to destroy everyone in the world except Noah and his family in a worldwide flood?
You are truly a sick/corrupt man to claim God is "wimpy" or a "marshmallow" if He doesn't order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all those reasons, Ludlow.
you are truly morally and spiritually debased.
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| 1/22/2017 2:49:08 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Don't trust in God's wimpiness, KB. Trust in Jesus' Blood.
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| 1/22/2017 2:56:59 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
76, joined Apr. 2011
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You are truly morally and spiritually debased.
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| 1/26/2017 1:03:29 AM |
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lmfc7_9
Mexico City
Mexico
33, joined Oct. 2016
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I really don't see how you can title your thread a "reply" to any of the Urantia thread. You really don't address the main issues.
For example, do the U-ranchers believe that the Urantia Book was channeled by some type of "divine, super-being"?
Does Urantia describe God as a "trinity"?
URANTIA is not a channeled material, but yes semi-spiritual, spiritual, and divine beings indited it through a technique that is partially explained in the best documented book on its origin: Ernest Moyer's. Therefore, among other reasons, it doesn't come from the Devil. Yes, GOD as Trinity is in URANTIA:
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-10-paradise-trinity
http://www.urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p010.htm
http://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-10-the-paradise-trinity
LudLOW is an hypocrite, i already answered his questions months ago:
http://ubthenews.com/Eugenics_Race_Urantia_Book.htm
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| 1/26/2017 9:33:47 AM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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Is God One Person? Then the Jews, Arians, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Unitarians are right.
Is God Three Persons in one Godhead (the Trinity)? Then the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and the vast majority of Protestants are right.
Does God have 700,000 creator sons? Then God must either be a Sevenhundredthousandinity, or there must be 700,000 gods (polytheism), or these "creator sons" are not really creators, just agents of the one God.
One thing that is impossible---God can't be both a Trinity and a Sevenhundredthousandinity.
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| 1/26/2017 1:46:07 PM |
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
64, joined Oct. 2007
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The Catholic church has defined the word "trinity" several times. Yet this "trinity" seems to be missing in the Bible.
Which definition of "trinity" does your Urantia Book subscribe to?
1. The council's description of "God's only-begotten Son", Jesus Christ, as of the same substance with God the Father became a touchstone of Christian Trinitarianism.
2. There are two separate persons in the incarnate Christ.
3. The council repudiated the Eutychian doctrine of monophysitism, described and delineated the "Hypostatic Union" and two natures of Christ, human and divine; adopted the Chalcedonian Definition.
4. Christ was not consubstantial with humanity.
5. That there are two separate persons in the Incarnation of Christ is considered heresy.
6. Christ had both human and divine wills.
Each of these was adopted by the First seven Ecumenical Councils.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_seven_Ecumenical_Councils
Of course, none of these are Scriptural based. The word "trinity" is not Scriptural. The Jews had no "trinity." And there is no bases for a "trinity" in the bible.
It seems the Bible and your Urantia book are at odds.
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| 1/27/2017 12:37:04 AM |
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lmfc7_9
Mexico City
Mexico
33, joined Oct. 2016
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i forgot...
there's one more URANTIA Paper on THE TqRINITY concept and readlity, only that there's more the URANTIA reveals on IT elsewhere therein, here:
http://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-104-growth-of-the-trinity-concept
believe whatever you want, 'bigd', I don't care...
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