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2/21/2017 3:42:08 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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We are all aware of the curious liberal phenomenon of them seeming to prefer Islam to Christianity. "Islamaphobes" they call anyone who points out the horrible barbaric conditions people live under in Muslim-majority countries. You'd think Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton would rather wear burkhas than read Bibles.

I think this is an example of the devil at work. The devil inspires hatred of Jesus among liberals and secularists, hatred so strong that they would obey the shariah law over the much milder God-given ten commandments. They are like the crowd before Jesus' execution who preferred that the murderer/robber Barrabus being set free than innocent Jesus, Barrabus here being a prefigure, or type, of Mohammed.

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2/21/2017 3:53:23 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

kb2222
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I think if the crucifixion of Jesus was all Gods will/plan then the crowd calling for it had to be (knowingly or not) doing Gods will - as were all others (priests, roman soldiers, etc.) acting in the matter. Right?

2/21/2017 4:03:06 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
mindya
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I don't think they are defending Islam - just the right to follow it. Big difference, and you can't lump all followers of Islam into the terrorist/Isis category.

We could say by you promoting the RC church that you are in fact supporting the pogroms etc. that the RC committed.

2/21/2017 4:33:46 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

iam_resurrected
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I know of muslims whom we never speak on terms of faith beliefs.

but, we are aware of the others faith.

the thing I learned dealing with them is father Abraham.

you connect there and keep it to birthright and blessings and they are happy to share that same concept.

I believe it like this as I feel they believe the same of me.

they do not offer their side due to because they do not wish to hear mine.

but ironically...and...I mean stretch here...if allah is not the moon god but the muslim term for the God of Abraham...then technically, when they say, I will pray for you it is coming from same God outside their recognition of the true identity of Christ

2/21/2017 4:56:31 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
cupocheer
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Are any of you aware that all Muslims do not practice the Islamic faith?

2/21/2017 5:40:06 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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KB, we are not robots. The crowd who called for Barrabus to be released called for a nurderous thief to be released, instead of Jesus. They are like today's secularists and liberals, who would choose the murderous Mohammed to the innocent Jesus.

2/21/2017 5:43:07 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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Quote from mindya:
I don't think they are defending Islam - just the right to follow it. Big difference, and you can't lump all followers of Islam into the terrorist/Isis category.

We could say by you promoting the RC church that you are in fact supporting the pogroms etc. that the RC committed.


They are defending the non-existent "right" of Muslims to come into this country and form a majority so they can impose sharia law. I hope Hillary likes her burkha, and likes walking four paces behind Bill.

2/21/2017 5:54:22 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
mindya
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
They are defending the non-existent "right" of Muslims to come into this country and form a majority so they can impose sharia law. I hope Hillary likes her burkha, and likes walking four paces behind Bill.


How are they gonna form a majority to overrule 300 million yanks - if anything it will be the Hispanics that will be the majority and old whitey's like yerself will have turned to dust in the grave, hopefully the likes of never to be seen again.



[Edited 2/21/2017 5:54:39 PM ]

2/21/2017 5:58:01 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ronannlou
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definition of Muslim

A Muslim is someone who follows or practices Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion. Muslims consider the Quran (Koran), their holy book, to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet and messenger Muhammad. They also follow the teachings and practices of Muhammad (sunnah ) as recorded in traditional accounts (hadith). "Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits (to God)".

The beliefs of Muslims include: that God (Arabic: ?????? Allah) is eternal, transcendent and absolutely one (tawhid or monotheism); that God is incomparable, self-sustaining and neither begets nor was begotten; that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that has been revealed before through many prophets including Abraham, Moses, Ishmael and Jesus;[3] that these previous messages and revelations have been partially changed or corrupted over time (tahrif and that the Qur'an is the final unaltered revelation from God (The Final Testament).

The religious practices of Muslims are enumerated in the Five Pillars of Islam: the declaration of faith (shahadah), daily prayers (salat), fasting during the month of Ramadan (sawm), almsgiving (zakat), and the pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj) at least once in a lifetime.

2/21/2017 6:00:30 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
KB, we are not robots. The crowd who called for Barrabus to be released called for a nurderous thief to be released, instead of Jesus. They are like today's secularists and liberals, who would choose the murderous Mohammed to the innocent Jesus.

If the crucifixion of Jesus was all Gods will/plan then the crowd calling for it had to be (knowingly or not) doing Gods will - as were all others (priests, roman soldiers, etc.) acting in the matter. Right?

2/21/2017 7:00:50 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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KB and others, do you see the parallel between Barrabus and Mohammed, and how the secular world will accept any murderer over Jesus? That'really my point here.

2/21/2017 7:21:29 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

isna_la_wica
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There is a difference between dending Islam, and defending Muslims who are victims of ISIS.

You are like the Saudi Muslims, girl is raped, they blame her.

Same thing here, people are refugees because of ISIS? You want to punish the refugee.

Its easy, kill the terrorist , and feed their victims.

But you refuse to get it. You hate the victim as much as you do the criminal.

Nice way to convert them, wow.



[Edited 2/21/2017 7:22:14 PM ]

2/21/2017 7:54:41 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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I love all Muslims and only desire their conversion and salvation.

But do you see a parallel between Bareabus and Mohammed?

2/21/2017 8:51:25 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I love all Muslims and only desire their conversion and salvation.

But do you see a parallel between Bareabus and Mohammed?


Barabbas and Mohammed? Me?

I could care less about either. One was as nasty as the other.

You miss the point though. Those that wanted to free Barabbas, did not "know what they do". Jesus said so.

And neither do followers of Mohammed.

But you do not fight the evils of either, by allowing the followers of either, to be persecuted. And you do not convert either, by blaming them for what others do.

Btw, who says all Liberals support Mohammed? That is a fact not in evidence. You think, only Republicans fight ?

2/21/2017 9:45:57 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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Not all liberals support Mohammed or Islam, no.

2/21/2017 10:33:51 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Not all liberals support Mohammed or Islam, no.


And not all Conservatives, believe in ignoring the plight of refugees.

2/23/2017 7:46:09 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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Let the bona fide, tyranny-fleeing refugees in. Keep most Muslims out. The former are victims, as you say. The latter are enemies of peace and freedom.

If we let the refugees in, and their persececutors along with them, we are endangering the very refugees we hope to help.

2/23/2017 5:00:29 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

share_n_love
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Every Muslim who is a true Muslim supports Muhammad. There is NO such thing as a moderate Muslim.

History has shown their desires have ALWAYS been to infiltrate and overtake whatever land their feet travel to. Because of this, the males aim is to conquer the vulnerable at every turn and this includes women and children.

They do not belong in the USA! Because of their evil Islam, they do not desire to assimilate into any culture; once their numbers grow in any land they migrate to they begin to create havoc and demand laws to be changed to include their Islamic beliefs. There are so many countries they have migrated to and are destroying.



3/11/2017 9:20:31 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
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3/16/2017 3:54:31 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
clarity101
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religion of peace?

Kuwaiti Female Activist wants to make Christian Women Sex Slaves
3 years ago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6lZ8tSqMKE&t=250s
https://youtu.be/K6lZ8tSqMKE
Published on Aug 19, 2013
Kuwaiti Female Activist wants to make Christian Women Sex Slaves

Kuwaiti Female Activist Salwa El Mtayri wants to make Christian Women Sex-Slaves!!
She also admits the sale of Prisoners of War from Chechenya as Sex-Slaves to Kuwaiti men!
Salwa El Mtayri explains how slavery is permitted in Islam, and encourages it to protect Muslim believers from adultery!!!

3/16/2017 10:15:47 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
cupocheer
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Get Ready

3/26/2017 3:21:33 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
clarity101
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Vatican makes history: Pope allows Islamic prayers, Koran readings

By Cheryl K. Chumley - The Washington Times - Monday, June 9, 2014

For the first time in Vatican history, the pope allowed for the reading of Islamic prayers and Koran readings from the Catholic facility.

The readings and prayer came as Pope Francis met with Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Vatican City, a gathering designed to pray for Middle Eastern peace.

A Holy See spokesman said the prayers were supposed to be a “pause in politics,” Breitbart reported. The pope said, too, that he hoped the interfaith prayers would foster peace specifically between Israelis and Palestinians, the news outlet said.

................................................................................
"Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?"

Answer: The Muslim and Christian views of God have some similarities. Christians believe in one eternal God Who created the universe, and Muslims apply these attributes to Allah. Both view God as all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-present.

A vital difference between the Islamic and Christian views of God is the biblical concept of the Trinity. In the Bible, God has revealed Himself as one God in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. While each Person of the Trinity is fully God, God is not three gods but three in one.

God’s Son came in the form of man, a truth called the incarnation (Luke 1:30-35; John 1:14; Colossians 2:9; 1 John 4:1-3). The Lord Jesus Christ conquered the penalty and power of sin by dying on the cross (Romans 6:23). After rising from the dead, Jesus went back to heaven to be with His Father and sent the Holy Spirit to believers (Acts 1:8-11). One day, Christ will return to judge and rule (Acts 10:42, 43). Those who have trusted in the Lord Jesus will live with Him, but those who refuse to follow Him must be separated in hell from the holy God.

“The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him” (John 3:35-36). Either Jesus bears the wrath of God for your sin on the cross or you bear the wrath of God for your sin in hell (1 Peter 2:24).

The Trinity is essential to the Christian faith. Without the Trinity, there would be no incarnation of God’s Son in the Person of Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, there would be no salvation from sin. Without salvation, sin would condemn all to an eternal hell.

So, do Christians and Muslims worship the same God? A better question is, “Do Christians and Muslims both have a correct understanding of who God is?” To this question, the answer is definitely no. Because of crucial differences between the Christian and Muslim concepts of God, the two faiths cannot both be true. The biblical God alone addresses and solves the problem of sin by giving His Son.

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:16-18).

Recommended Resource: Answering Islam: The Crescent in Light of the Cross by Norm Geisler

3/26/2017 3:36:19 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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This is not something true believing regularlar church going Catholic laypeople approve of. Most rank-and-file Catholics consider Francis to be an embarassment. He won't be pope forever.

3/26/2017 5:55:37 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

kb2222
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You want it both ways, don't you, Ludlow? On one hand you claim popes are infallible teachers even though dozens of them in the past were mass murderers and on the other hand you claim pope Francis is a "utter idiot" and a "embarrassment" and you apparently look forward to his demise. You are pathetically illogical and perverted, Ludlow.

3/26/2017 7:11:59 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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The infallibility of the pope is a very limited thing. It only applies if the pope is re-iterating a Catholic foctrine. So far Pope Francis has issued no infallible statements. In the entire twentieth century, inly three infallible pronouncements were made---1950, 1968, and 1994.


Two things about papal infallibility everyone should understand---one, it does not apply to the pope's personal life. The pope could a combination of Jack the Ripper, Heidi Fleiss, and Otis Campbell without it having anything to do about papal infallibility. Two, it has nothing to do with the pope's administrative actions, who he appoints to office, which papal commissions he sets up, which regulations for Mass or parish adminstration he makes, how he spends Vatican money, etc.

The papacy is about the office, not the man. If I were to call Pope Francis "his holiness" I'm not saying the Francis is personally holy, only that the office he holds is holy.

3/27/2017 2:50:19 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

kb2222
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IN creditable BS. Isna wica corrected you on this 3-4 months ago. It is the pope himself that claims to be Gods infallible representative/teacher and whatever he declares is righteous and Godly is doctrine and I am not talking about his personal life.

3/27/2017 3:00:27 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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I don't remember Isna correcting me on this, and you have a very mistaken idea as to papal infallibility. An example definitely on point: the various national inquisitions of the Middle Ages. Whether the pope was right or wrong, wise or unwise to approve of these, the pope was not infallible in aporoving them. The pope is only infallible in his teachings only, and then only on matters of faith (the Trinity, the Incarnation, the resurrection, the asumption of Mary into Heaven, etc.) or morals. The setting up of some judicial body such as an inquisition does not follow under this.

3/27/2017 9:21:40 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

kb2222
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You are a blind idiot to assert the 1000 year long inquisition of torturing and burning people to death at the stake calling them withes and heretics had nothing to do with morality.



[Edited 3/27/2017 9:21:59 PM ]

3/28/2017 3:15:59 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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The pope is an infallible teacher, not always an infallible doer.

A pope who preaches one thing and does another---like Alexander VI did---call him a hypocrite if you will, but God will keep the pope from ever imposing a false doctrine on the Church.

The creeds of the Church say "I believe in the Father...I believe in Jesus Christ...I believe in the Holy Spirit...", not, I believe in the inquisition.



[Edited 3/28/2017 3:18:11 AM ]

3/28/2017 9:07:49 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
cupocheer
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Here's what I "believe".

I believe that a culture that is different than the culture I was raised in is not going to be understandable to me if I keep a close mind and hard heart.

I "think" I have enough maturity and acceptance to accept that cultures are quite dissimilar and I am not always going to agree with those ideals expressed but that as true believing Christian I must love and pray for those whom are culturally diverse and different than me as I hope they do they same for me.

3/28/2017 9:42:47 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

kb2222
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How did you get so corrupt, Ludlow? You weren't born that way. All those popes taught it was righteous and just to torture and burn people to death at the stake calling them witches and heretics and FOOLS like you believing they were Gods infallible teachers did what they were told to do. You are truly a corrupt SICKO, Ludlow.

3/28/2017 11:47:13 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

ludlowlowell
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You don't understand the concept of papal infallibility, KB.

3/29/2017 9:22:48 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

kb2222
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What I don't understand is why you are so corrupt, wicked minded, perverted and a HERETIC to boot yet you call yourself a Christian.

3/29/2017 10:53:19 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
freegratis
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
We are all aware of the curious liberal phenomenon of them seeming to prefer Islam to Christianity. "Islamaphobes" they call anyone who points out the horrible barbaric conditions people live under in Muslim-majority countries. You'd think Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton would rather wear burkhas than read Bibles.

I think this is an example of the devil at work. The devil inspires hatred of Jesus among liberals and secularists, hatred so strong that they would obey the shariah law over the much milder God-given ten commandments. They are like the crowd before Jesus' execution who preferred that the murderer/robber Barrabus being set free than innocent Jesus, Barrabus here being a prefigure, or type, of Mohammed.

What do y'all think?


I think Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Do you agree that proponents of Sharia law violate the US Constitution?
Constitution: Article VI:
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby

KB may get to see some stoning of adulterers under Sharia, right here in the USA.

Just don't cast the first stone.

But in my "final authority" discussion with KB, even Christians would be required to violate the US Constitution if it went against God's law. That is the plight of religious zealots.

3/29/2017 11:04:03 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
If the crucifixion of Jesus was all Gods will/plan then the crowd calling for it had to be (knowingly or not) doing Gods will - as were all others (priests, roman soldiers, etc.) acting in the matter. Right?


If you really want to know, you can read Romans 9.

Who can resist God's will?

Your belief is if God wanted something a certain way, it would be that way, Right?

You might even get enlightened on why God's justice demands that the wages of sin is death, since we are merely the creation and not the Creator.

3/29/2017 11:11:10 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
freegratis
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Quote from isna_la_wica:
Barabbas and Mohammed? Me?

I could care less about either. ...


If you could care less, then what is stopping you?

Just playing grammar police. Sorry... it's...

I could not care less about either.

Someone pointed out my same error.

When I make that mistake, I say, "I could care less, but at this moment I choose to care a little bit more."

3/29/2017 11:17:26 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
freegratis
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Quote from clarity101:
Vatican makes history: Pope allows Islamic prayers, Koran readings

By Cheryl K. Chumley - The Washington Times - Monday, June 9, 2014

For the first time in Vatican history, the pope allowed for the reading of Islamic prayers and Koran readings from the Catholic facility....


I just heard that last week. It was in 2014?

What does Galatians 1:8 have to say about that and that Pope?

3/29/2017 11:17:59 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
freegratis
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Quote from share_n_love:
Every Muslim who is a true Muslim supports Muhammad. There is NO such thing as a moderate Muslim.

History has shown their desires have ALWAYS been to infiltrate and overtake whatever land their feet travel to. Because of this, the males aim is to conquer the vulnerable at every turn and this includes women and children.

They do not belong in the USA! Because of their evil Islam, they do not desire to assimilate into any culture; once their numbers grow in any land they migrate to they begin to create havoc and demand laws to be changed to include their Islamic beliefs. There are so many countries they have migrated to and are destroying.





3/29/2017 11:23:23 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
freegratis
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The infallibility of the pope is a very limited thing. It only applies if the pope is re-iterating a Catholic foctrine. So far Pope Francis has issued no infallible statements. In the entire twentieth century, inly three infallible pronouncements were made---1950, 1968, and 1994.


Two things about papal infallibility everyone should understand---one, it does not apply to the pope's personal life. The pope could a combination of Jack the Ripper, Heidi Fleiss, and Otis Campbell without it having anything to do about papal infallibility. Two, it has nothing to do with the pope's administrative actions, who he appoints to office, which papal commissions he sets up, which regulations for Mass or parish adminstration he makes, how he spends Vatican money, etc.

The papacy is about the office, not the man. If I were to call Pope Francis "his holiness" I'm not saying the Francis is personally holy, only that the office he holds is holy.


I guess your so-called first Pope wasn't quite a Pope yet when Jesus told him to get behind me Satan. I guess we'd have to wait until after the "feed my sheep" commands?

3/29/2017 11:44:17 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
clarity101
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Toronto Imam says Muslims will conquer Rome, defeat Christianity
March 27 2017



Al-Qaradawi asserts that “the signs of salvation are absolute, numerous, and as plain as day, indicating that the future belongs to Islam and that Allah’s religion will defeat all other religions.”

Al-Qaradawi asserts that “the signs of salvation are absolute, numerous, and as plain as day, indicating that the future belongs to Islam and that Allah’s religion will defeat all other religions.”

In a series of lectures on the “Minor Signs of Qayamaah – The Last Day”, Toronto Imam Said Rageah said that the Muslims will eventually defeat the Christians and take over Rome, the Capital of Italy where the Vatican City is located.

Rageah, who suggested that signs of the Last Day are already seen in our time, said in this regard the following (Published YouTube on January 12, 2013):

There would be a war [between Muslims and Christians]… the third group would be victorious. They will win over the enemy [Christians]… and then the Muslims will go again to Constantinople, which is known as Istanbul today… Muslims will conquer that land without a fight. First time we did was with a fight. We fought them we won over them, but this time without a fight. Rome same thing. We’ll go to Rome. We will not fight. The Muslim believers will pray Allah Akbar [Allah is the greatest] and thenthey will be victorious. Allah will them the victory over the enemy [Christians].

Similar message was echoed by Edmonton Imam Shaban Sherif Mady (????? ???? ????) who explained in a Friday sermon in February 2016 that according to Mohammad’s prophecy, after taking over Turkey and Palestine, Muslims will conquer Europe and defeat Christianity, Islam’s prime enemy. The following are excerpts from Shaban Sherif Mady’s sermon (translated by Memri):

“The Prophet Muhammad told us that Constantinople would be conquered. This was the capital city of the Byzantine Empire. I am talking about prophecies from the sunna. Where is Constantinople, the capital city of the Byzantine Empire? Today, it is in Turkey. Turkey, Montenegro, Kosovo, all the way to Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia… All these countries were ruled by the rightly guided Caliphate, the last Caliphate of the Muslims. [It ruled] about half of Europe, in the East, and then the other half, in the West, the countries of Al-Andalus: Spain, Portugal, and part of France, all the way to the Ural Mountains. All this was an Islamic Caliphate. Constantinople will be conquered. It is the Prophet Muhammad who said so. And what was Constantinople? Just like the Vatican today, it was the capital of all the Christians in the world. It was conquered and became Turkey. The Hagia Sophia became a great mosque, where Allah is worshipped. The prophecies of the Prophet Muhammad came true. But some prophecies have not come true yet. Look forward to it, because the Prophet Muhammad said that Rome would be conquered! It will be conquered. Constantinople was conquered. Rome is the Vatican, the very heart of the Christian state.

The future conquest of Rome and Europe

The prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Qatari-based spiritual authority for the worldwide Muslim Brotherhood and admired by Shaban Sherif Mady, issued an Islamic ruling that, despite the pessimism among Muslims, Islam will definitely prevail and eventually become master of the entire world.

One of the signs of Islamic victory will be the conquest of the Italian capital, Rome, by the Muslims. Occupying Europe and defeating Christianity will become possible, according to al- Qaradawi, with the spread of Islam inside Europe until it becomes strong enough to take over the whole continent.

Al-Qaradawi asserts that “the signs of salvation are absolute, numerous, and as plain as day, indicating that the future belongs to Islam and that Allah’s religion will defeat all other religions.”

He relies on ancient Islamic traditions quoting the Prophet Muhammad, who allegedly argued that the conquest of Constantinople (Istanbul) and then Romia (Rome) are considered signs of the victory of Islam. Al-Qaradawi wrote:

And Romia is the city we name Rome, the capital of Italy. The city of Herqel [Constantinople] was conquered in 1453 by the young Ottoman, aged 23, Muhammad Ibn Mourad, known by his nickname Muhammad the Conqueror. Nowadays, the conquest of the other city Romia [Rome] remains unfulfilled. Namely, Islam will return once more to Europe as a conqueror and as a victorious power after it was expelled twice from the continent….I assume that next time the conquest [of Europe] will not be achieved by the sword [i.e., war] but by preaching (daawa) and spreading the ideology [of Islam]… The conquest of Romia [Rome] and the expansion of Islam will reach all the areas where the sun shines and the moon appears [i.e., the entire world]….That will be the result of a planted seed and the beginning of the righteous Caliphate’s return….[The Islamic Caliphate] deserves to lead the nation to the plains of victory.

Reported by: Israel Islam & End Times

3/29/2017 11:45:57 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
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Muslim Professor Said Crucifixion of Jesus a Hoax, Christian Student Suspended for Disagreeing
March 29 2017



Shortly thereafter, Zufari canceled class and filed a complaint against Polston with the campus dean, saying he made her feel “unsafe.”

At Rollins College near Orlando, Florida, a Christian sophomore was suspended from the private school for challenging his Muslim professor’s assertions that the crucifixion of Jesus never happened and that his disciples didn’t believe in his divinity.

Central Florida Post reported on the ordeal:

Not even a year after Radical Islamic terrorist Omar Mateen killed 49 people at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub, Rollins College officials are punishing a Christian Conservative student who challenged a liberal Muslim professor and radicalized Muslim student during a conversation on the application of Sharia Law.

Marshall Polston confirmed to the Central Florida Post that Professor Areeje Zufari, who teaches a “Muslim Humanities” course at Rollins, has made outlandish claims against him and even filed a false police report.

Early on in the class, Polston said he realized the professor was harboring Anti-Christian beliefs, demonstrated by the professor’s assertion that the crucifixion of Jesus was a hoax and that his disciples did not believe he was God.

“It was very off-putting and flat out odd. I’ve traveled the Middle East, lectured at the Salahaddin University, and immersed myself in Muslim culture for many years. Honestly, it reminded me of some of the more radical groups I researched when abroad.”

Whether religious or not, I believe even those with limited knowledge of Christianity can agree that according to the text, Jesus was crucified and his followers did believe he was divine… that he was “God.” Regardless, to assert the contrary as academic fact is not supported by the evidence.

Polston says that he challenged her on this point during a class discussion and after that, Professor Zufari promptly failed him on a major essay and refused to provide input as to why she issued a 52% grade for the essay.

Shortly thereafter, Zufari canceled class and filed a complaint against Polston with the campus dean, saying he made her feel “unsafe.”

When the class resumed, Zufari began a lesson on applying Sharia Law. That’s when another Muslim student chimed in with some shocking beliefs but received no punishment from the school:

The student, a yet to be identified Muslim male, is said to have showcased a very strict adherence to the Quaran in previous group talks. But this time, he went too far for many students in the classroom.

“He stated that a good punishment for gays, adulterers, and thieves was the removal of a certain body part [beheading], as determined by Sharia law. It took a few seconds for me to realize that he actually said that, especially after what this community has faced with the tragic loss of life at Pulse,” explained Polston.

The Muslim college professor jokingly responded to the student that he was “in time-out” or something to that effect, and should remain quiet for a few minutes. Several students, of both Islamic and Christian backgrounds, thought the teacher should have reported the incident, but the request fell on deaf ears.

One student, who asked to remain anonymous, even reported the incident to the F.B.I., figuring it was better to say something than just ignore it.

The Post goes on to say that Polston was then called to the dean’s office where he was informed of his impending suspension.

“They made it clear that they had not gotten a report about what the student said, and were more concerned about the danger I was causing to the campus,” Polston said. “What danger? A difference of opinion in a college classroom is nothing out of the ordinary and certainly not dangerous. It was surreal and degrading. The bad grade was upsetting, but they were literally refusing to acknowledge the dangers posed by someone who advocated chopping off body parts on campus.”

As of March 24, Polston can’t appear on campus or be anywhere near Zufari until the end of the academic year, as his “actions have constituted a threat of disruption within the operations of the College and jeopardize the safety and well-being of members of the College community and yourself,” the suspension letter states.

It is noted that the professor also filed a police report stating Polston has already showed up to class despite his suspension to harass her. However, he has presented video surveillance evidence that he was at a restaurant thirty minutes from campus during that class time.

“Our university should be a place where free-speech flashes and ideas can be spoken of without punishment or fear of retribution,” Polston told The College Fix. “In my case it was the total opposite. … I came forward with the story because I know so many other students like me suffer under today’s liberal academic elite.”

Reported by: Israel Islam and End Times

3/29/2017 12:08:32 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
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I just heard that last week. It was in 2014?

What does Galatians 1:8 have to say about that and that Pope?




Throughout Paul’s epistle to the Galatians, saving grace—the gift of God—is juxtaposed against the Law of Moses, which cannot save. The Judaizers urged a return to the Mosaic Law as the source of justification, and they were prominent in the early church. Even Peter was temporarily drawn into their web of deceit (Galatians 2:11–13). The themes connecting Galatians to the Old Testament center on Law vs. grace: the inability of the Law to justify (2:16); the believer’s deadness to the Law (2:19); Abraham’s justification by faith (3:6); the Law’s bringing not God’s salvation but His wrath (3:10); and love as the fulfillment of the Law (5:14). Believers are the spiritual children of Sarah, not Hagar—that is, we are children of the freewoman, not children of the slave; we have more in common with Isaac, the son of promise, than with Ishmael, the son of human effort (4:21–31).

The books of Galatians and James deal with two complementary aspects of Christianity. Galatians highlights the gospel of grace that produces righteous living (Galatians 3:13–14). James highlights the righteous living that proves faith. There is no conflict; James, too, emphasizes the new birth through the gospel (James 1:18), and Galatians spends its final two chapters applying the doctrine of sola gratia to practical Christian living.

One of the main themes of the book of Galatians is found in 3:11: “The righteous shall live by faith.” We must stand firm in this truth. Any compromise with legalism or the mixture of human effort and the grace of God for salvation leads to heresy. If we could be saved through the keeping of the Law, then Jesus did not need to die (Galatians 2:21). Trying to save ourselves nullifies grace.

Not only are we saved by faith (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9), but the life of the believer in Christ—day by day, moment by moment—is lived by and through that faith (Galatians 2:20). Not that faith is something we conjure up on our own—it is the gift of God, not of works (see Ephesians 2:8–9)—but it is our responsibility and joy to exhibit our faith so that others will see the work of Christ in us and to grow in our faith by the application of spiritual disciplines (Bible study, prayer, obedience, etc.).

Jesus said we would be known by the fruit of our lives (Matthew 7:16), which should give evidence of the faith within us. All Christians should be diligent in striving to build upon the saving faith within us so that our lives with reflect Christ and others will “glorify your Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 5:16, NKJV).

The Bible teaches that it is Scripture that is to be used as measuring stick to determine truth from error. In Galatians 1:8-9, Paul states that it is not WHO teaches but WHAT is being taught that is to be used to determine truth from error. While the Roman Catholic Church continues to pronounce a curse to hell, or “anathema,” upon those who would reject the authority of the pope, Scripture reserves that curse for those who would teach a different gospel (Galatians 1:8-9).

While the Roman Catholic Church sees apostolic succession as logically necessary in order for God to unerringly guide the church, Scripture states that God has provided for His church through the following:

(a) Infallible Scripture, (Acts 20:32; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Acts 17:10-12; Isaiah 8:20; 40:8; etc.) Note: Peter speaks of Paul’s writings in the same category as other Scripture (2 Peter 3:16),

(b) Christ’s unending high-priesthood in heaven (Hebrews 7:22-28),

(c) The provision of the Holy Spirit who guided the apostles into truth after Christ’s death (John 16:12-14), who gifts believers for the work of the ministry, including teaching (Romans 12:3-8; Ephesians 4:11-16), and who uses the written Word as His chief tool (Hebrews 4:12; Ephesians 6:17).

While there have seemingly been good (humanly speaking) and moral men who have served as pope of the Roman Catholic Church—some point to Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis I as examples—the Roman Catholic teaching about the office of the pope should be rejected because it is not “in continuity” with the teachings of the New Testament. This comparison of any church’s teaching is essential, lest we miss the New Testament’s teaching concerning the gospel and not only miss eternal life in heaven ourselves but unwittingly lead others down the wrong path (Galatians 1:8-9).

Recommended Resource: The Gospel According to Rome: Comparing Catholic Tradition and the Word of God by James McCarthy, Galatians, MacArthur New Testament Commentary by John MacArthur. Galatians, NIV Application Commentary by Scot McKnight. The Epistle to the Galatians, New International Commentary on the New Testament by R.Y.K. Fung.
Galatians-Colossians, Holman New Testament Commentary by Max Anders

3/29/2017 12:29:06 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

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Quote from freegratis:
I guess your so-called first Pope wasn't quite a Pope yet when Jesus told him to get behind me Satan. I guess we'd have to wait until after the "feed my sheep" commands?


Peter did not become infallible until Pentecost. We know this because infallibility is a special gift of the Holy Spirit.

3/29/2017 3:14:21 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
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BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Here's epic email suspended Christian sent Islamic prof
'A Muslim cracks a joke about chopping someone's body parts off and you do nothing'
Published: 2 hours ago

Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.


Marshall Polston

The full email a now-suspended student sent a Muslim professor at Rollins College who had openly used her class time to undermine Christianity by declaring the biblical and historical accounts of Jesus’ crucifixion were a hoax has been released.

And it reveals that the student was critical of the professor, but his only “threat” was to “contact … some national media personalities” or “pursue legal options if you don’t stop your harassment toward me.”

The student, Marshall Polston, 20, was ordered suspended March 24 by the Winter Park, Florida, school when his Middle Eastern humanities professor, Areej Zufari, claimed harassment, “although video surveillance obtained by a local paper suggests otherwise,” the Washington Times said.

Polston apparently repeatedly had challenged the Muslim’s claims that the Bible was false, and school officials claimed they never would suspend a student over such challenges, nevertheless took action against Polston.

The Orlando Sentinel said the school president, Grant Cornwell, defended the professor and claimed there were “other factors” involved in the suspension, but refused to provide those.

A disciplinary hearing was held by the school for Polston on Tuesday, but officials said the results may take days.

The professor had claimed Polston “disrupted” class and had a “contemptuous” attitude.

See what American education has become, in “Crimes of the Educators: How Utopians Are Using Government Schools to Destroy America’s Children.”

But Polston’s email revealed many more details, including that, “On the one hand you report me to the dean for correcting you while you were indoctrinating students with false information. On the other hand a Muslim student in class cracks a joke about chopping someone’s body parts off and you do nothing.”

He charged that the professor was incompetent, and the professor, who admitted in a statement to Winter Park police that Polston “has not threatened to harm her in any physical manner,” was unable to function after getting Polston’s email and canceled a subsequent class.

The College Fix obtained a full copy of the email from the student to the professor, which was written a month after the teacher said the “crucifixion of Jesus Christ was a hoax and that his disciples did not believe he was divine,” the report said.

The email followed shortly after the professor’s slam on his first assignment for the class, a 52 percent grade.

The full email:...................................................................

3/29/2017 3:14:46 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
clarity101
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The full email:

We need to talk as soon as possible over phone or in your office because you have been extremely unfair to me and pursuit a ruthless program of hostility in your recent grading simply due to the fact that I disagree with you on your inherent bias and clandestine theological apologies. I’m actually a nice person but not when I’m viciously attacked. I’d be just as happy to go to the dean about this issue.

I’m emailing you about the first essay in your Rollins class. You recently failed me with a 52% despite the fact that I followed all the guidelines listed, covered all the topics and asked you directly about the problem areas. I specifically asked you about sources in person as a result of your request that the paper be an analysis and not research. Everything I wrote came from personal memory and research or first hand experience in my travels with the government, personal visits with friends, teaching experiences or philanthropic efforts in the Middle East.

Quite frankly the grade you assigned to me exposes your a true agenda which is to silence me in class. As I told you before I’m not interested in speaking anymore. But since you’ve decided to carry a blitzkrieg out against me, I may have to speak up in regards to your extreme bias and not necessarily to the class but to the dean. You’re one of the most incompetent professors I have ever seen in my entire life.

It’s very clear you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You may have a college degree but you belong in a reform school.

First you conflate the immaculate conception and virgin birth which are totally different. Then you state that middle eastern Jews were Sephardic when in fact they are mostly Mizrahi Sephardic Jews only emigrated from Spain to North Africa and Istanbul and we’re NEVER native.

I could go on and on and on. Everybody knows that you’re a failure as a Professor — Rest assured I’m not the only one!!! I have dozens of examples to pull from that I’ve noticed during the class.

I think it’s great to be a theological apologist but not in a secular setting — I don’t know whether this was just a mistake or not so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. In order to stop a textual embarrassment in the Quran from coming to light in class you proceeded to ignore the facts when I asked a pertinent question about Mohammed. He had an adopted son which divorced his wife so he could marry him and although you finally admitted it was twisted, it took until I looked up the verse that you believed me.

Your bias is blatantly evident in your misinformation about the historical Jesus and moreover manifested in the lack of discussion about Wellhausen’s documentary hypothesis (with you taking the theological position that Moses wrote the first five books of the Torah). No one takes either position that you gave in the archaeological or secular biblical fields.

Also your brainwashing session about sharia law at the United States of Rollins ignores what the vast majority of people in countries like Egypt and Iraq really believe in regards to misogyny, homophobia or religious freedom.

I agree that sharia law can be reformed but in the context of the seventh century, let’s not jump to utopian conclusions about sharia law’s original implementation in society. I understand that you are much more liberal Muslim which is great but quite frankly it astonishes me your hypocrisy. On the one hand you report me to the dean for correcting you while you were indoctrinating students with false information. On the other hand a Muslim student in class cracks a joke about chopping someone’s body parts off and you do nothing. Yes I have witnesses – I’m not the only one who has a concern about your agenda and overt bias.

It’s really cowardly of you to shut me down in the middle of class or lie to the dean but I should be careful when saying that because that would be insulting to cowards. There’s something seriously wrong and depraved about you when you think my intellectual conversation is more threatening than the despicable comments about decapitation made by the student in question! SICK!

I hope we don’t have to escalate this issue and you’ll stop this crusade against me. I would really hate to get in contact with some national media personalities that I’m good friends with but I’m going to have to take it there or pursue legal options if you don’t stop your harassment toward me.

The Fix reported it repeatedly tried to obtain an explanation from the college, and eventually a statement came that the school welcomes “all religious and cultural beliefs” and how it values “diversity of opinions.”

It concluded, “There will be no further statement.”

A police report from Zufari complained the professor had been having problems with Polston, “who has disagreed with her teachings.”

“Zufari stated Polston has not threatened to harm her in any physical manner, but wrote her a lengthy email which concluded that he ‘would hate to get in contact with some national media personalities that I’m good friends with. I’m going to have to take it there or pursue legal options if you don’t stop your harassment towards me,'” the report said.

See what American education has become, in “Crimes of the Educators: How Utopians Are Using Government Schools to Destroy America’s Children.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/heres-epic-email-suspended-christian-sent-islamic-prof/#UfhSKBvBFAew1UQR.99

3/31/2017 10:43:02 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
freegratis
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Quote from clarity101:
Throughout Paul’s epistle to the Galatians, saving grace—the gift of God—is juxtaposed against the Law of Moses, which cannot save. The Judaizers urged a return to the Mosaic Law as the source of justification, and they were prominent in the early church. Even Peter was temporarily drawn into their web of deceit (Galatians 2:11–13). The themes connecting Galatians to the Old Testament center on Law vs. grace: the inability of the Law to justify (2:16); the believer’s deadness to the Law (2:19); Abraham’s justification by faith (3:6); the Law’s bringing not God’s salvation but His wrath (3:10); and love as the fulfillment of the Law (5:14). Believers are the spiritual children of Sarah, not Hagar—that is, we are children of the freewoman, not children of the slave; we have more in common with Isaac, the son of promise, than with Ishmael, the son of human effort (4:21–31).

The books of Galatians and James deal with two complementary aspects of Christianity. Galatians highlights the gospel of grace that produces righteous living (Galatians 3:13–14). James highlights the righteous living that proves faith. There is no conflict; James, too, emphasizes the new birth through the gospel (James 1:18), and Galatians spends its final two chapters applying the doctrine of sola gratia to practical Christian living.

One of the main themes of the book of Galatians is found in 3:11: “The righteous shall live by faith.” We must stand firm in this truth. Any compromise with legalism or the mixture of human effort and the grace of God for salvation leads to heresy. If we could be saved through the keeping of the Law, then Jesus did not need to die (Galatians 2:21). Trying to save ourselves nullifies grace.

Not only are we saved by faith (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9), but the life of the believer in Christ—day by day, moment by moment—is lived by and through that faith (Galatians 2:20). Not that faith is something we conjure up on our own—it is the gift of God, not of works (see Ephesians 2:8–9)—but it is our responsibility and joy to exhibit our faith so that others will see the work of Christ in us and to grow in our faith by the application of spiritual disciplines (Bible study, prayer, obedience, etc.).

Jesus said we would be known by the fruit of our lives (Matthew 7:16), which should give evidence of the faith within us. All Christians should be diligent in striving to build upon the saving faith within us so that our lives with reflect Christ and others will “glorify your Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 5:16, NKJV).

The Bible teaches that it is Scripture that is to be used as measuring stick to determine truth from error. In Galatians 1:8-9, Paul states that it is not WHO teaches but WHAT is being taught that is to be used to determine truth from error. While the Roman Catholic Church continues to pronounce a curse to hell, or “anathema,” upon those who would reject the authority of the pope, Scripture reserves that curse for those who would teach a different gospel (Galatians 1:8-9).

While the Roman Catholic Church sees apostolic succession as logically necessary in order for God to unerringly guide the church, Scripture states that God has provided for His church through the following:

(a) Infallible Scripture, (Acts 20:32; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Acts 17:10-12; Isaiah 8:20; 40:8; etc.) Note: Peter speaks of Paul’s writings in the same category as other Scripture (2 Peter 3:16),

(b) Christ’s unending high-priesthood in heaven (Hebrews 7:22-28),

(c) The provision of the Holy Spirit who guided the apostles into truth after Christ’s death (John 16:12-14), who gifts believers for the work of the ministry, including teaching (Romans 12:3-8; Ephesians 4:11-16), and who uses the written Word as His chief tool (Hebrews 4:12; Ephesians 6:17).

While there have seemingly been good (humanly speaking) and moral men who have served as pope of the Roman Catholic Church—some point to Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis I as examples—the Roman Catholic teaching about the office of the pope should be rejected because it is not “in continuity” with the teachings of the New Testament. This comparison of any church’s teaching is essential, lest we miss the New Testament’s teaching concerning the gospel and not only miss eternal life in heaven ourselves but unwittingly lead others down the wrong path (Galatians 1:8-9).

Recommended Resource: The Gospel According to Rome: Comparing Catholic Tradition and the Word of God by James McCarthy, Galatians, MacArthur New Testament Commentary by John MacArthur. Galatians, NIV Application Commentary by Scot McKnight. The Epistle to the Galatians, New International Commentary on the New Testament by R.Y.K. Fung.
Galatians-Colossians, Holman New Testament Commentary by Max Anders


Amen.

I think you handle the harmony of the gospel and writings of Matthew and James well.

3/31/2017 11:10:10 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

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What the writer of this article forgets is that it was the Catholic Church that put the Bible together in the first place, and that the New Testament was written by eight Catholic bishops, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude.

And just because we have grace does not mean that we are automatically saved. All it takes is the commission of one mortal sin and grace is lost. (Grace can be regained with sincere repentance and Confession.)

3/31/2017 11:15:42 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
What the writer of this article forgets is that it was the Catholic Church that put the Bible together in the first place, and that the New Testament was written by eight Catholic bishops, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude.

And just because we have grace does not mean that we are automatically saved. All it takes is the commission of one mortal sin and grace is lost. (Grace can be regained with sincere repentance and Confession.)


Mortal sin vs Venial sin is a fallacy.

Your so-called venial sin is enough to separate you from Sinless God.

All sin needs to be accounted for.

Account for it yourself in Hell, or trust Jesus to have accounted for it.

Trust in Jesus' atonement of sin.

Then yes, go and try not to sin anymore. And when you become aware of a sin you commit, try to repent.

EDITED to add the methods of atonement: your atonement or Jesus'



[Edited 3/31/2017 11:18:25 AM ]

3/31/2017 11:30:49 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

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I John 5:16 says that there are sins not unto death (venial sins) and sins unto death (mortal sins).

4/13/2017 3:30:31 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
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4/13/2017 3:39:53 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

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Jesus was a liberal.

4/13/2017 5:48:55 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

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Jesus said there was a Hell. Jesus said divorce and remarriage was wrong. Jesus said that not only adultery, but even looking at a woman in lust, was adultery. Jesus said that apart from Him there is no salvation. All that sounds pretty conservative to me. When the Catholic Church teaches these very same things nobody calls the Catholic Church liberal.

4/14/2017 9:57:08 AM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  

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Jesus taught that we should love and serve one another as we are all brothers and sisters in the family of God.

4/17/2017 3:27:55 PM Liberals/Secularists Who Defend Islam  
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Published on Mar 27, 2017

Why don't the Palestinians have their own country? Is it the fault of Israel? Of the Palestinians? Of both parties? David Brog, Executive Director of the Maccabee Task Force, shares the surprising answers.

If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right? That’s what you hear from UN ambassadors, European diplomats and most college professors.

But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their own – and not just once, but on five separate occasions?

Don’t believe me?

Let’s review the record.

After the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following World War I, Britain took control of most of the Middle East, including the area that constitutes modern Israel.

Seventeen years later, in 1936, the Arabs rebelled against the British, and against their Jewish neighbors.

The British formed a task force – the Peel Commission – to study the cause of the rebellion. The commission concluded that the reason for the violence was that two peoples – Jews and Arabs – wanted to govern the same land.

The answer, the Peel Commission concluded, would be to create two independent states – one for the Jews, and one for the Arabs. A two-state solution. The suggested split was heavily in favor of the Arabs. The British offered them 80 percent of the disputed territory; the Jews, the remaining 20 percent. Yet, despite the tiny size of their proposed state, the Jews voted to accept this offer. But the Arabs rejected it and resumed their violent rebellion. Rejection number one.

Ten years later, in 1947, the British asked the United Nations to find a new solution to the continuing tensions. Like the Peel Commission, the UN decided that the best way to resolve the conflict was to divide the land.

On November 7, 1947, the UN voted to create two states. Again, the Jews accepted the offer. And again, the Arabs rejected it, only this time, they did so by launching an all-out war. Rejection number two.

Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria joined the conflict. But they failed. Israel won the war, and got on with the business of building a new nation. Most of the land set aside by the UN for an Arab state – the West Bank and east Jerusalem – became occupied territory; occupied not by Israel, but by Jordan.

Twenty years later, in 1967, the Arabs, led this time by Egypt and joined by Syria and Jordan, once again sought to destroy the Jewish State.

The 1967 conflict, known as the Six Day War, ended in a stunning victory for Israel. Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as the area known as the Gaza Strip, fell into Israel’s hands. The government split over what to do with this new territory. Half wanted to return the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt in exchange for peace. The other half wanted to give it to the region’s Arabs, who had begun referring to themselves as the Palestinians, in the hope that they would ultimately build their own state there.

Neither initiative got very far. A few months later, the Arab League met in Sudan and issued its infamous “Three No’s:” No peace with Israel. No recognition of Israel. No negotiations with Israel. Again, a two-state solution was dismissed by the Arabs, making this rejection number three.

In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Yasser Arafat to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 94% of the West Bank with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer. In the words of US President Bill Clinton, Arafat was “Here 14 days and said ‘no’ to everything.”

Instead, the Palestinians launched a bloody wave of suicide bombings that killed over 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands more – on buses, in wedding halls, and in pizza parlors. Rejection number four.

In 2008, Israel tried yet again. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert went even further than Ehud Barak had, expanding the peace offer to include additional land to sweeten the deal. Like his predecessor, the new Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, turned the deal down. Rejection number five.

In between these last two Israeli offers, Israel unilaterally left Gaza, giving the Palestinians complete control there. Instead of developing this territory for the good of its citizens, the Palestinians turned Gaza into a terrorist base, from which they have fired thousands of rockets into Israel.

Each time Israel has agreed to a Palestinian state, the Palestinians have rejected the offer, often violently.

So, if you’re interested in peace in the Middle East, maybe the answer is not to pressure Israel to make yet another offer of a state to the Palestinians. Maybe the answer is to pressure the Palestinians to finally accept the existence of a Jewish State.

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Jesus taught that we should love and serve one another as we are all brothers and sisters in the family of God.



In giving this command, Jesus did something the world had never seen before—He created a group identified by one thing: love. There are many groups in the world, and they identify themselves in any number of ways: by skin color, by uniform, by shared interest, by alma mater, etc. One group has tattoos and piercings; another group abstains from meat; yet another group wears fezzes—the ways people categorize themselves are endless. But the church is unique. For the first and only time in history, Jesus created a group whose identifying factor is love. Skin color doesn’t matter. Native language doesn’t matter. There are no rules about diet or uniforms or wearing funny hats. Followers of Christ are identified by their love for each other.

The early church demonstrated the type of love Jesus was talking about. There were people in Jerusalem from all over the known world (Acts 2:9–11). Those who were saved got together and immediately began meeting each other’s needs: “All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need” (Acts 2:44–45). This was love in action, and you can be sure it made an impression on the people of that city.

Jesus’ statements in John 13:34–35 raise a couple of other questions that may be good to answer. First, how does Jesus love? He loves unconditionally (Romans 5:8), sacrificially (2 Corinthians 5:21), with forgiveness (Ephesians 4:32), and eternally (Romans 8:38–39). At the same time, Jesus’ love is holy—characterized by transcendent moral purity—because He is holy (Hebrews 7:26). The culmination of Christ’s amazing love for us is His death on the cross, burial, and bodily resurrection (1 John 4:9–10). Believers are to love each other like that.

Second, “How then can the believer in Christ love as Christ loved?” The believer in Christ has the Holy Spirit living within him (1 Corinthians 6:19–20). By obeying the Spirit, through the Word of God, the believer can love like Christ does. He shows that unconditional, sacrificial, forgiving love to fellow believers, but it doesn’t stop there. He also shows the love of Christ to friends, to family members, to coworkers, etc. (Ephesians 5:18–6:4; Galatians 5:16, 22–23). Even enemies are the recipients of Christ’s love (see Matthew 5:43–48).

Christ’s love displayed through the believer is unlike the “love” generated by the flesh, which can be selfish, egotistical, unforgiving, and insincere. First Corinthians 13:4–8 gives a wonderful description of what Christ’s love will be like in and through the believer who walks in the Spirit.

People don’t naturally love with a 1 Corinthians 13-type love. To love like that, there must be a change of heart. A person must realize that he is a sinner before God and understand that Christ died on the cross and rose again to provide him forgiveness; then he must make the decision to accept Christ as his personal Savior. At that point he is forgiven by Christ and receives God’s gift of eternal life—in fact, he becomes a participant in the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4). In Christ he knows that he is genuinely loved by God. The new life the believer receives includes a new capacity to love like Christ loves, for the believer now has living within him the unconditional, sacrificial, forgiving, eternal, and holy love of God (Romans 5:5).

To love one another is to love fellow believers as Christ loves us. Those who love like Christ in the Holy Spirit’s power will give evidence that they are disciples, or learners, of Jesus Christ.

Recommended Resource: Love One Another: Becoming the Church Jesus Longs For by Jerry Sittser

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