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3/17/2017 5:08:55 PM More on solar  

shawnee_b
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I'm all for solar, green, renewable. Why are there so many fails in the US on solar? Remember Solyndra. Other countries run much or solar, some 100% "New Low Solar Price Record Set In Chile — 2.91¢ Per kWh"

"Chile Has So Much Solar Energy It’s Giving It Away for Free
by Vanessa Dezem and Javiera Quiroga
June 1, 2016, 6:00 PM CDT June 2, 2016, 2:14 PM CDT
Spot prices reached zero for 113 days this year through April
Solar power on Chile’s central grid quadrupled since 2013
Chile’s solar industry has expanded so quickly that it’s giving electricity away for free."

Chile did it, others have, we must be able to (yeah amount sun taken into the equation of course)

Was govt money put into these companies a bad move somehow? Can Trump do it better?

Something to discuss for both left and right.


Another Solar Power Company Declares Bankruptcy; Taxpayers Footing the Bill
March 16, 2017 By Robert Gehl

A major solar-power company in California has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, reminding Americans of the hyped promises of “alternative energy.”

Sungevity, one of seven residential solar power companies under investigation for bilking taxpayers out of tax credits, agreed to the bankruptcy terms of handing over control to investors in exchange for $20 million to keep the company going.

In the Congressional investigation, it was discovered that the feds likely handed out about $25 billion in grants and tax cuts to these companies.

“The actions we have announced today will allow Sungevity to emerge as a stronger and more competitive company,” William Nettles, the company’s newly appointed Chief Administration Officer, said in a press statement. “With its market-leading software platform and its high quality employees who provide unwavering commitment to customers and exceptional service, Sungevity intends to be at the forefront of the industry as solar continues on its growth trajectory in the years ahead.”

The company laid off 350 employees last week and is supposed to begin selling their assets at the end of April.

Another solar company called Beamreach went bust in January after it received $3 million in Department of Energy funding in 2008. The major solar company SunEdison also recently declared bankruptcy. Roughly five major solar companies closed up shop in 2015, which follows the historic tendency that solar power companies tend to go bankrupt as soon as the subsidies are cut off.

Solar power companies are heavily supported by financial invective from the government. Most subsidies go to residential installations payments called net metering or a 30 percent federal tax credit. Previously, solar subsidies were so lucrative that solar-leasing companies installed rooftop systems, which run at minimum $10,000, at no upfront cost to the consumer. This naturally favors relatively wealthy consumers.

Alternative energy like solar and wind power receive far more grants and subsidies than coal oil and natural gas. Solar receives 326 times more subsidies and wind receives 69 times more than traditional energy sources.

Today, without government support, solar energy is not a viable resource, the MIT concluded.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/another-solar-power-company-declares-bankruptcy



http://energy.mit.edu/research/future-solar-energy/

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3/17/2017 5:15:41 PM More on solar  

longbobby
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I'd wager Chile has far less chemtrail activity than America does.

3/17/2017 5:20:04 PM More on solar  
fallguy02379
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like any competitive market, tinning is everything and poor management with lofty ideas can create a mess.

Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump
Stop saying I went bankrupt. I never went bankrupt but like many great business people have used the laws to corporate advantage—smart!



[Edited 3/17/2017 5:21:25 PM ]

3/17/2017 9:42:10 PM More on solar  

dwwcat
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Solar has been failing because the liberals and their politicians had to get their psyoffs first..

Texas is now leading the way with renewables, Why? .. The evil oil sector is driving it.

3/17/2017 9:56:43 PM More on solar  

louie6332
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There are a number of problems with using solar to directly generate electrical power. One is that solar cells are not very efficient (typical solar cells available today are about 20% efficient, the world record for efficiency to date is 46% achieved by using multi junction concentrator solar cells, traditional single junction solar cells have a maximum theoretical efficiency of 33.16%, efficiencies can be improved some by concentrating the sun light on the photo voltaic cells, but that generates higher temperatures that tend to reduce the lifetime of the cell)), another is that the sun does not shine directly on the solar cell when it is cloudy, reducing the energy collected, another is that the surface of solar cells must be kept clean for maximum efficiency (so there is maintenance involved), another is that the generated voltage, to be fed into the power grid, must be converted from DC to line voltage AC, which adds to the complexity and cost, another is that energy often must be stored for use later, which adds to the complexity and the cost.

Solar cells have a typical lifetime of 20 to 30 years, with a payback time of 1 to 4 years. Generally, thin film technologies, despite having comparatively low conversion efficiencies, are cheaper and have a payback time often of less than one year.

In my opinion, solar cell electric power generation on Earth is not very practical for supplying energy to the power grid. It could become practical if sun light were collected in space and beamed back to earth as microwaves or whatever. But then you would have environmental concerns of birds and such flying through the high power microwave beam (they could get cooked in the beam).

Note: there is a way to make solar panels that treat the light from the sun as high frequency electromagnetic waves, receiving the waves with microscopic antennas and then sending the high frequencies currents from the antennas through diodes to rectify them into DC electric currents with relatively high efficiencies. This can also work in reverse, converting DC currents directly into light, as light panels to light a room or whatever. These have been shown to be viable but or not yet commercially available. I prefer this method of converting light to current and visa versa. I think these are now documented on Rex Research.

If you were using the sun to produce thermal power to heat water or whatever, it would be much more efficient than using the sun to generate electrical power with current technology. If you want to heat or preheat water for your hot water heater, for example, this is practical, and efficient. I will tell you for future reference that the best way to do this is to use a parabolic trough reflector oriented along an east to west line (so that it doesn’t have to kept oriented towards the sun throughout the day to adjust for the sun’s continually changing position) and concentrate the sun light on a vacuum tube. This vacuum tube is one transparent tube inside another with a sealed vacuum between the two tubes, and with the surface of the inner tube blacked on its inner surface to absorb the sun’s light, thereby converting it directly to heat. Water is run through the inner tube, heated, and stored in a thermally insulated hot water heater for use later. This is very efficient and has been shown to work well. Food can also be cooked if placed in the inner tube. If you do this without the vacuum, it is not nearly as efficient.

Louie

3/17/2017 10:00:36 PM More on solar  

jason_in_tx
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The reason why there is so much failures with solar is because oil companies don't want it. Politicians on both sides are bought and paid for by these people.

3/17/2017 10:06:55 PM More on solar  
cherisays
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Quote from jason_in_tx:
The reason why there is so much failures with solar is because oil companies don't want it. Politicians on both sides are bought and paid for by these people.


This may have been true decades ago, I don't believe it to be so in this "GREEN" age.

"When solar power can lift a 747 off the ground and fly across the ocean, I will be interested (sic)" Rush Limbaugh.

Hate Rush if you want but it is true..

3/17/2017 10:13:47 PM More on solar  

jason_in_tx
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Quote from cherisays:
This may have been true decades ago, I don't believe it to be so in this "GREEN" age.

"When solar power can lift a 747 off the ground and fly across the ocean, I will be interested (sic)" Rush Limbaugh.

Hate Rush if you want but it is true..


It's still the case. Solar's potential is unlimited. People that make billions of dollars per quarter don't want solar. The power of those people is also unlimited.

3/17/2017 10:22:39 PM More on solar  
fallguy02379
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Quote from dwwcat:
Solar has been failing because the liberals and their politicians had to get their psyoffs first..

Texas is now leading the way with renewables, Why? .. The evil oil sector is driving it.


Texas is turning blue



3/18/2017 12:25:00 AM More on solar  

w6o6l6f_1
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Quote from jason_in_tx:
The reason why there is so much failures with solar is because oil companies don't want it. Politicians on both sides are bought and paid for by these people.

The world resource of oil won't last very long.
Better figure something out before oil isn't an option.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/06/28/the-world-was-533-years-of-oil-left/11528999/

3/18/2017 12:34:04 AM More on solar  
texasproud52
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We do not need solar...we have all the ingredients here on Earth so that everyone should have unlimited free wireless electricity.

3/18/2017 1:37:04 AM More on solar  

dwwcat
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Quote from fallguy02379:
Texas is turning blue



Trump only won by just under 1 million votes in Texas.

3/18/2017 12:45:38 PM More on solar  

longbobby
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Quote from w6o6l6f_1:
The world resource of oil won't last very long.
Better figure something out before oil isn't an option.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/06/28/the-world-was-533-years-of-oil-left/11528999/


The world has 533 years of oil left?

Yeah, we better figure out something REALLY quick, huh?

Cause what on EARTH will the next generation DO if we don't?

3/18/2017 3:03:51 PM More on solar  

louie6332
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W6, you say: “The world resource of oil won't last very long. Better figure something out before oil isn't an option.”

W6, that is fake news, and those who propagate this propaganda know it’s fake news. It’s as fake as man-made global warming. You ought to know better by now than to trust Liberals. And we have been over this before. How many times do we have to go over it? Do you think that if a lie is repeated often enough that everyone will believe it? Oil and natural gas are NOT fossil fuels, nor are they non-renewable. They are continually being created in the earth by the action of heat from the core of the Earth on rock.

Methane, the principal component of natural gas, is abundant on the giant planets Jupiter and Saturn. Do you honestly think that enormous herds of dinosaurs roam these planets and have for many centuries? Get real. It is also found on Mars and the moon Titan and on giant gas planets upon which there is NO life. Get real. See the link:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/methane-on-mars-titan/

Louie



[Edited 3/18/2017 3:05:21 PM ]

3/18/2017 3:18:07 PM More on solar  

lobo_corazon
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To point out the obvious, companies sometimes go bankrupt in Capitalism.

Here's a good example - Far more oil companies going bankrupt than solar:
- http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/28/oil-bankruptcies-100-down-maybe-100-more-to-go.html

3/18/2017 4:13:35 PM More on solar  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from louie6332:
W6, you say: “The world resource of oil won't last very long. Better figure something out before oil isn't an option.”

W6, that is fake news, and those who propagate this propaganda know it’s fake news. It’s as fake as man-made global warming. You ought to know better by now than to trust Liberals. And we have been over this before. How many times do we have to go over it? Do you think that if a lie is repeated often enough that everyone will believe it? Oil and natural gas are NOT fossil fuels, nor are they non-renewable. They are continually being created in the earth by the action of heat from the core of the Earth on rock.

Methane, the principal component of natural gas, is abundant on the giant planets Jupiter and Saturn. Do you honestly think that enormous herds of dinosaurs roam these planets and have for many centuries? Get real. It is also found on Mars and the moon Titan and on giant gas planets upon which there is NO life. Get real. See the link:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/methane-on-mars-titan/

Louie

Your ignorance makes you a danger to yourself any anyone else who makes the mistake of listening to you Louie.

These lies you are spreading make me feel ill. I'm full of pity for you, yet the bigger tragedy is that people who can't see any more clearly than this are still allowed to vote. Every time you do, it damages the Republic.

Of course I've heard it all before - You are just parroting an old bs lie that was made up by oil elites like Rex Tillerson to sell to the gullible. I can picture the discussion around that table: "Then we'll tell them there's methane on Titan, and that proves that we'll never run out of oil!" "Um... That doesn't make any sense at all." "Of course not, but remember who we're talking to!" "Ah, right!"


METHANE IS NOT CRUDE OIL, ffs. For starters, methane is a gas at room temperature. It is excreted when you fart. The world's herds of cows produce a tremendous amount, as do termites. Do you have crude oil coming out of your butt too? I hope not!
Methane is an extremely simple compound. Crude is extremely complex. You can not make crude out of methane.

The crude oil we are burning at an astounding rate is ancient. No, wells aren't refilling with new oil just as fast as we can pump them out. That is why wells and fields deplete.

Years ago some scientists pointed out something obvious if you give it a little rational thought. As we pump and burn oil at a tremendous rate while very little new oil is naturally produced, the amount remaining gets less and less. Of course God left us with a lot of the stuff... But the human race is very good at destroying natural things. We'll get through it. Not all at once of course, but gradually. The easiest to access first, like the Saudi reserves. Then the less accessible stuff - Deepwater, tar sands, shale... Inventing new technologies to access crude we couldn't get at a couple of decades ago, but the fact remains that the oil was there, and then it isn't because we have taken it and burned it, more and more every day.

Sooner or later we will hit a point where oil supply peaks. The $10 oil will be gone, and the $45 oil, and the $90 oil. We'll be doing crazy stuff to get it from the ocean deeps or the antarctic, but it will be very hard and expensive, and people like you won't be able to afford it.

Now there's two paths - Two ways to get there. Either we keep using more and more oil (increasing demand) until we can no longer supply the demand. In that case it will be like hitting a wall when the shortage is upon us. Resource wars, famine and starvation because of lack of gasoline for food production, riots, and probably the end of our civilization as we know it.

More recently, thanks to liberals and scientists, there's a new possibility. We may grow out of our addiction to oil, and replace it with better, cleaner, cheaper and more sustainable forms of energy. Thanks to a tremendous amount of research in the past few years, solar and wind power have become nearly as inexpensive as fossil fuels. So rather than demand outstripping supply one day, maybe demand will drop off so that supply peaks and then drops from lack of need.

3/18/2017 4:42:24 PM More on solar  

shawnee_b
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Quote from texasproud52:
We do not need solar...we have all the ingredients here on Earth so that everyone should have unlimited free wireless electricity.


Please expound on the theories. I know it's there. Tesla knew, Ben F knew. Lets get some!

3/18/2017 4:43:27 PM More on solar  

shawnee_b
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Quote from lobo_corazon:


More recently, thanks to liberals and scientists, there's a new possibility. We may grow out of our addiction to oil, and replace it with better, cleaner, cheaper and more sustainable forms of energy. Thanks to a tremendous amount of research in the past few years, solar and wind power have become nearly as inexpensive as fossil fuels. So rather than demand outstripping supply one day, maybe demand will drop off so that supply peaks and then drops from lack of need.


That would be awesome.

3/18/2017 4:55:38 PM More on solar  

lobo_corazon
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Fingers crossed Shawnee!

But now think about the two paths from the point of view of an oil capitalist who only cares about profit.

Option 1: Oil gets harder and harder to extract until demand cannot be met with available supply. Result - The price of oil will skyrocket.

Option 2: Oil demand drops off due to competition from alternatives. Result - The price of oil will decrease because we no longer need nearly as much of it.

So if you're an oil baron... Which of those options is desirable to you?

3/18/2017 5:01:03 PM More on solar  

shawnee_b
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I'm not an oil baron, I'll take option 2 anyday.

3/18/2017 9:39:57 PM More on solar  
texasproud52
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Quote from shawnee_b:
Please expound on the theories. I know it's there. Tesla knew, Ben F knew. Lets get some!
I cannot I am not very smart but I saw his story and I believe it.

3/18/2017 10:32:26 PM More on solar  

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3/18/2017 10:32:58 PM More on solar  

dwwcat
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
Your ignorance makes you a danger to yourself any anyone else who makes the mistake of listening to you Louie.

These lies you are spreading make me feel ill. I'm full of pity for you, yet the bigger tragedy is that people who can't see any more clearly than this are still allowed to vote. Every time you do, it damages the Republic.

Of course I've heard it all before - You are just parroting an old bs lie that was made up by oil elites like Rex Tillerson to sell to the gullible. I can picture the discussion around that table: "Then we'll tell them there's methane on Titan, and that proves that we'll never run out of oil!" "Um... That doesn't make any sense at all." "Of course not, but remember who we're talking to!" "Ah, right!"


METHANE IS NOT CRUDE OIL, ffs. For starters, methane is a gas at room temperature. It is excreted when you fart. The world's herds of cows produce a tremendous amount, as do termites. Do you have crude oil coming out of your butt too? I hope not!
Methane is an extremely simple compound. Crude is extremely complex. You can not make crude out of methane.

The crude oil we are burning at an astounding rate is ancient. No, wells aren't refilling with new oil just as fast as we can pump them out. That is why wells and fields deplete.

Years ago some scientists pointed out something obvious if you give it a little rational thought. As we pump and burn oil at a tremendous rate while very little new oil is naturally produced, the amount remaining gets less and less. Of course God left us with a lot of the stuff... But the human race is very good at destroying natural things. We'll get through it. Not all at once of course, but gradually. The easiest to access first, like the Saudi reserves. Then the less accessible stuff - Deepwater, tar sands, shale... Inventing new technologies to access crude we couldn't get at a couple of decades ago, but the fact remains that the oil was there, and then it isn't because we have taken it and burned it, more and more every day.

Sooner or later we will hit a point where oil supply peaks. The $10 oil will be gone, and the $45 oil, and the $90 oil. We'll be doing crazy stuff to get it from the ocean deeps or the antarctic, but it will be very hard and expensive, and people like you won't be able to afford it.

Now there's two paths - Two ways to get there. Either we keep using more and more oil (increasing demand) until we can no longer supply the demand. In that case it will be like hitting a wall when the shortage is upon us. Resource wars, famine and starvation because of lack of gasoline for food production, riots, and probably the end of our civilization as we know it.

More recently, thanks to liberals and scientists, there's a new possibility. We may grow out of our addiction to oil, and replace it with better, cleaner, cheaper and more sustainable forms of energy. Thanks to a tremendous amount of research in the past few years, solar and wind power have become nearly as inexpensive as fossil fuels. So rather than demand outstripping supply one day, maybe demand will drop off so that supply peaks and then drops from lack of need.



Thanks to liberals and scientist? You mean conservatives and evil oil companies funding Texas renewable energy sector. Liberals just whine and b*tch and tie themselves to trees, conservatives do the work.

3/19/2017 5:52:44 PM More on solar  

louie6332
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Lobo, there are no farting cows on Saturn or termites either (a termite would be crushed under its own weight by the tremendous gravity on the surface of Saturn), so you cannot account for the presence of methane that way. Lobo, we can see what’s in the atmosphere of Saturn, but we cannot see what is under the surface of Saturn, but are you assuring everybody that there is NO, ZERO, ZILCH, crude oil under the surface of Saturn. How do you know that? By the way, there are no dinosaurs running around up there either. But since heat from the core of the Earth can make crude oil from certain rocks,you can't just assume that there is no crude oil on Saturn simply because there are no dinosaurs up there. That's an assumption and nothing more than an assumption.

Solar for electrical power production is not practical when you can only directly convert one fifth of the solar energy to electricity, except, of course, for snitch applications where power must be supplied in remote locations, including locations on highways where power from the grid is not handy. Solar, if concentrated by lenses, can be converted to heat with much higher efficiency, and can even be converted to mechanical power with higher efficiency using sterling engines or whatever. The Israelis are even using concentrated solar to break water down with heat into hydrogen and oxygen gas that can be stored and burned later for energy.

With Solar for direct conversion to electrical power, the inverters, and if not fed back directly into the grid as storage, batteries to store the energy. A guy experienced with inverters and class D amplifiers, you know, switching mode devices, says that inverters and class D amplifiers have an average life time of seven years. And that would have to be factored into the cost of a solar system.

As far as the batteries go for standalone solar systems (a system not connected to the grid), lead acid batteries are still king for now (although that will eventually change). The standard lead acid battery lasts 3 to 5 years (industrial types last much longer), but there is a way to rejuvenate these batteries to make them like new again—and don’t let anybody tell you this cannot be done. This requires a simple but inexpensive circuit that uses AC line voltage, fed through a large value capacitor, to zap the plates, knocking the crud off the plates that forms on them after 3 to 5 years. The crud falls to the bottom of the battery leaving the plates pristine. Eventually, the electrolyte will have to be replaced, but the battery can, theoretically, be used indefinitely. And if you are using the batteries to power appliance that can draw surges of power, you should put a high fared super capacitor across them to supply the surges.

I want to come back and tell you about my experience in the electromagnetic free-energy anomalies before this thread falls into the archives, because these are, in my opinion, the optimal energy source.

Louie

3/19/2017 5:54:15 PM More on solar  

jason_in_tx
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Oh boy, Louie is talking again.

3/19/2017 6:13:24 PM More on solar  

mr_bad_robot
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Solar is a good supplemental source of energy but on a large scale it is too costly. Not only the high cost but the vast amounts of real estate it takes to build a solar site for commercial use.

3/19/2017 7:37:06 PM More on solar  
annamally
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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Solar is a good supplemental source of energy but on a large scale it is too costly. Not only the high cost but the vast amounts of real estate it takes to build a solar site for commercial use.



This is the reality .....

3/20/2017 8:53:00 AM More on solar  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from dwwcat:
Thanks to liberals and scientist? You mean conservatives and evil oil companies funding Texas renewable energy sector. Liberals just whine and b*tch and tie themselves to trees, conservatives do the work.

Of course you are completely wrong on all counts.

3/20/2017 10:12:14 AM More on solar  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from louie6332:
Lobo, there are no farting cows on Saturn or termites either (a termite would be crushed under its own weight by the tremendous gravity on the surface of Saturn), so you cannot account for the presence of methane that way. Lobo, we can see what’s in the atmosphere of Saturn, but we cannot see what is under the surface of Saturn, but are you assuring everybody that there is NO, ZERO, ZILCH, crude oil under the surface of Saturn. How do you know that? By the way, there are no dinosaurs running around up there either. But since heat from the core of the Earth can make crude oil from certain rocks,you can't just assume that there is no crude oil on Saturn simply because there are no dinosaurs up there. That's an assumption and nothing more than an assumption.

Who said there is no oil on Saturn?

I said:
- Methane is not oil. Their sources are completely different.
- You can't make oil from methane.
- The oil we are using is ancient, and cannot replenish itself fast enough to maintain the supply (nowhere near fast enough.)

Solar for electrical power production is not practical when you can only directly convert one fifth of the solar energy to electricity, except, of course, for snitch applications where power must be supplied in remote locations, including locations on highways where power from the grid is not handy.

By that logic, oil is not practical because most of it is stuck in the ground where we can't get at it. (In other words, your argument is illogical.)

The amount of solar energy falling on the earth is astronomical. 1/5 is plenty.

Solar, if concentrated by lenses, can be converted to heat with much higher efficiency, and can even be converted to mechanical power with higher efficiency using sterling engines or whatever. The Israelis are even using concentrated solar to break water down with heat into hydrogen and oxygen gas that can be stored and burned later for energy.

Just like gas power plants convert the gas into heat using combustion.

With Solar for direct conversion to electrical power, the inverters, and if not fed back directly into the grid as storage, batteries to store the energy. A guy experienced with inverters and class D amplifiers, you know, switching mode devices, says that inverters and class D amplifiers have an average life time of seven years. And that would have to be factored into the cost of a solar system.

Just like parts wear out on any other power system. If you powered your house with a gas generator, it would break down and need parts or full replacement. Utility-scale generators are far more efficient than household systems, regardless of whether they are fossil fuel or solar-powered.

3/20/2017 10:17:51 AM More on solar  

lobo_corazon
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Orleans, ON
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There may well be a bit of abiotic oil on Saturn. It's irrelevant. Abiotic oil production can't support our billions of barrels per day "habit" - Not remotely. You won't even hear the liars who started that tale flat-out say so, because the notion is too ridiculous.

Still, they can "plant the seed", then let people's imaginations run wild until some naive folks like dww are running around claiming the oil is being produced faster than we can burn it, so it's just silly not to keep doing what we're doing like so many natural-resource-eating locusts.

3/20/2017 10:27:59 AM More on solar  

lobo_corazon
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Orleans, ON
47, joined May. 2008


...Stupid edit timer! Our habit is in the area of 100 million barrels per day - 35+ billion barrels per year. Billions of gallons of oil per day.