A Quote from Ronald Reagan

4/9/2017 5:14:30 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	"Socialism only works in two places---Heaven, where they don't need it, and Hell, where they've always had it." Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
4/9/2017 5:22:44 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
rocky_dennis Mechanicsburg, PA 39, joined Nov. 2013	Great quote, now only if his policies didn't lead to global slave labor and the right to sell those products here, without regulations and code enforcement. He had a couple hundred million, who embraced their jobs going to Socialist and Communists nations.
4/9/2017 5:23:00 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	There's another place where socialism works fabulously well, is used quite often, and the recipients of all the socialism absollutely love it and would long ago have gone bust without it. That would be the American capitalists. "What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor." -- Gore Vidal --------- US bank bailout could cost $23.7 trillion By Andre Damon 22 July 2009 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/tarp-j22.html The outrageous rip-off of taxpayer-funded stadiums Bonnie Kristian http://theweek.com/articles/629756/outrageous-ripoff-taxpayerfunded-stadiums Capitalist 1% Wage Imperialist Wars! Hand the $4.79 Trillion Bill to the American People By Paul D. Shinkman Sept. 9, 2016 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/report-post-sept-11-wars-have-cost-479-trillion [Edited 4/9/2017 5:23:53 AM ]
4/9/2017 5:44:52 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
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4/9/2017 6:16:17 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
maniacmassager Lawrence, MA 51, joined Mar. 2008	Good old Ronny!
4/9/2017 7:11:49 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
drwookie Reading, PA 63, joined May. 2013	Reagan was senile! Trump is illiterate! "After a century of striving, after a year of debate, after a historic vote, health care reform is no longer an unmet promise. It is the law of the land.. Barrack Obama
4/9/2017 7:47:54 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from condor_0000: There's another place where socialism works fabulously well, is used quite often, and the recipients of all the socialism absollutely love it and would long ago have gone bust without it. That would be the American capitalists. "What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor." -- Gore Vidal --------- US bank bailout could cost $23.7 trillion By Andre Damon 22 July 2009 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/tarp-j22.html The outrageous rip-off of taxpayer-funded stadiums Bonnie Kristian http://theweek.com/articles/629756/outrageous-ripoff-taxpayerfunded-stadiums Capitalist 1% Wage Imperialist Wars! Hand the $4.79 Trillion Bill to the American People By Paul D. Shinkman Sept. 9, 2016 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/report-post-sept-11-wars-have-cost-479-trillion
4/9/2017 7:49:22 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from maniacmassager: Good old Ronny! Good old Condor! Hey! Do you right-wing morons ever scratch your heads and wonder why this kind of shit doesn't ever work on an open forum like it does on your favorite gangster-capitalist-loving, right-wing, talk-radio shows? [Edited 4/9/2017 7:51:15 AM ]
4/9/2017 10:07:44 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
testsignup Springfield, VA 64, joined Sep. 2009 online now!	Another non-Reagan quote attributed to Reagan. Aside from the fact that it was a humorists's actual statement, even if Reagan HAD said it, it wouldn't be anything more than a silly snide sort of self-absorbed insult. Not a meaningful fact-based analysis of anything. As with all such statements, all that it shows is that the person saying it or requoting it, is prejudiced against whatever the statement is about. Therefore, so what?
4/9/2017 10:27:30 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
annamally Santa Clarita, CA 97, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from condor_0000: Good old Condor! Hey! Do you right-wing morons ever scratch your heads and wonder why this kind of shit doesn't ever work on an open forum like it does on your favorite gangster-capitalist-loving, right-wing, talk-radio shows? Problem is Condor ..... No one ever reads your shit .
4/9/2017 11:11:32 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 45, joined Jul. 2013	Quote from rocky_dennis: Great quote, now only if his policies didn't lead to global slave labor and the right to sell those products here, without regulations and code enforcement. He had a couple hundred million, who embraced their jobs going to Socialist and Communists nations. Could you please expound upon this post. I would like to get a better grasp at what you are saying. Thank you.
4/9/2017 11:13:35 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 45, joined Jul. 2013	Quote from testsignup: Another non-Reagan quote attributed to Reagan. Aside from the fact that it was a humorists's actual statement, even if Reagan HAD said it, it wouldn't be anything more than a silly snide sort of self-absorbed insult. Not a meaningful fact-based analysis of anything. As with all such statements, all that it shows is that the person saying it or requoting it, is prejudiced against whatever the statement is about. Therefore, so what? What our the other "non-Reagan quotes" attributed to Reagan?
4/9/2017 11:19:26 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 65, joined Oct. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Socialism only works in two places---Heaven, where they don't need it, and Hell, where they've always had it." That was about the stupidest thing an evengeclown could ever say!
4/9/2017 11:19:27 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
fallguy02379 Brockton, MA 53, joined Sep. 2011	"Socialism only works in two places---Heaven
4/9/2017 11:38:35 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
muldoon1959 Vallejo, CA 58, joined Feb. 2008	Yes. Good old Ronnie. Pretended to "fix" the economy by giving all the billionaires taxs cut then paid for it by stealing from our Social Security. You see, that's why they're trying to dupe you into thinking there's problems with social security and and it needs to be privatized. That way, they won't have to pay back the 2 trillion they stole from it. You know what trickle down actually means? Yeah. Tax cuts for the rich, deregulation for the powerful, and wage suppression for everyone else. [Edited 4/9/2017 11:38:57 AM ]
4/9/2017 12:14:37 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
nole_89 Loganville, GA 54, joined May. 2010	Quote from muldoon1959: Yes. Good old Ronnie. Pretended to "fix" the economy by giving all the billionaires taxs cut then paid for it by stealing from our Social Security. You see, that's why they're trying to dupe you into thinking there's problems with social security and and it needs to be privatized. That way, they won't have to pay back the 2 trillion they stole from it. You know what trickle down actually means? Yeah. Tax cuts for the rich, deregulation for the powerful, and wage suppression for everyone else. Reagan was the beginning of massive budget deficits and the beginning of the explosion of the national debt. He got rid of the fairness doctrine which allowed the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh to brainwash millions of less education white working class Americans into voting against their own interests. Reagan was the beginning of the decimation of the middle class and the eventual slide towards oligarchy and aristocratic rule. He nurtured the "greed is good" philosophy which has poisoned the business world ever since. If America collapses under the weight of it's own corruption historians will point to Reagan as the beginning of the end. [Edited 4/9/2017 12:15:45 PM ]
4/9/2017 12:38:24 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	OP, Ronald Reagan also said the following: One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project, most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it. Let that sink in.
4/9/2017 2:31:31 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The RINO presidents Nixon and Ford produced stagflation, which grew worse under Carter. The nation prospered during the Reagan and first Bush administrations. Under Clinton, it did also, because tge Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich wouldn't let Clinton spend like a drunken sailor.
4/9/2017 4:14:14 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from ludlowlowell: The RINO presidents Nixon and Ford produced stagflation, which grew worse under Carter. The nation prospered during the Reagan and first Bush administrations. Under Clinton, it did also, because tge Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich wouldn't let Clinton spend like a drunken sailor. That little summary points out an analytical flaw about capitalism that is shared by many people. Capitalism is not some rigid set of economic rules which, if deployed effectively, always produce the same results. Capitalism is constantly changing, and the wave of that change is in a downward decline that cannot be reversed. Capitalism, in the final analysis, is doomed. That's an objective fact. What replaces it, and if we even survive capitalism and its decline are the only real questions. The vibrant U.S. economy that had developed after WWII was not sustainable. It was based upon the superior position of the U.S. that emerged after the war. But as global capitalist competitors began to recover, American capitalism understandably began to suffer a corresponding decline. This first manifested itself in the need to remove the dollar from the gold standard. That was not some arbitrary choice. It absolutely had to be done. Even so, by the late 70s American capitalism was mired in stagflation. The stock markets were stalled. Profits were stagnant or in decline. The way that America's ruling-class capitalist elites resolved this problem was to rescue themselves by launching a vicious attack upon the American working class and turning to financialization over manufacturing as American capitalism's key source of profits. This actually began during the Carter administration, but Reagan was seen as the right-wing "hero" based largely upon the timing of events and his status as a Republican. ---------------------- Who is Paul Volcker? Obama appoints a longtime enemy of the working class By Patrick Martin 29 November 2008 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/11/volc-n29.html Excerpts: No other individual in modern US history is so closely identified with the deliberate creation of mass unemployment to drive down wages and smash the organized resistance of the working class to the demands of corporate America. He put into motion policies that led to the destruction of large sections of industry and the explosive growth of financial speculation in the US economy. Volcker served as Fed Chairman from 1979 to 1987, a critical period in the history of the American working class, in which the official labor movement was effectively destroyed as an instrument of workers' self-defense, and the unions transformed into what they are today: a mechanism for the suppression of workers' struggles and the destruction of their jobs and wages. Democratic President Jimmy Carter nominated Volcker—a former Chase Manhattan Bank executive—to head the Federal Reserve in August 1979, at a turning point for the American ruling class and world capitalism as a whole. The coming to power of Margaret Thatcher in Britain three months earlier first signaled the drastic shift to the right internationally on the part of big business. The selection of Volcker initiated a similar shift within the United States, which culminated in November 1980 when Ronald Reagan defeated Carter for reelection. Runaway price inflation had sparked a series of bitter strikes by workers seeking to defend their living standards, and the Carter administration had suffered a humiliating defeat when more than 100,000 coal miners struck for 111 days in 1977-78 in defiance of a presidential no-strike order under the Taft-Hartley Law. The White House had been unable to cow the miners into submission—they publicly burned copies of the president's back-to-work order on the picket line—and Carter was compelled to rely on the leadership of the United Mine Workers union to deprive the rank-and-file of any gains from their struggle. Volcker was brought in to initiate policies that would suppress inflation—and the wages movement in the working class—by driving up the rate of unemployment. Under his leadership, the Federal Reserve rapidly raised interest rates to an unprecedented 20 percent, choking off home-buying and purchases of cars and other durable goods and triggering a series of corporate bankruptcies. The economic turmoil contributed heavily to Carter's defeat in the presidential contest, but that prospect did not faze Volcker, whose loyalty to the Democratic Party and the president who nominated him took a distant second place to his devotion to the long-term interests of American capitalism, which required the most draconian methods. Once Reagan entered the White House in January 1981, Volcker worked closely with the new Republican administration, and was reappointed by Reagan in 1983 to continue his inflation-fighting course. In 1982-83, the US economy plunged into the sharpest recession of the post-World War II period. Continued . . .
4/9/2017 4:14:57 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Continued . . . The economic devastation was focused particularly in the industrial Midwest—steel mills, auto plants, coal mines were shut down, many of them permanently. The city of Detroit began the downward slide that has continued to this day, and Buffalo, Akron, Youngstown, Gary, Indiana and countless industrial towns followed suit. The response to the attacks by big business and the Reagan administration was the biggest wave of strike struggles since the 1940s, beginning with the PATCO air traffic controllers strike in August 1981, where Reagan ordered the firing of 12,000 workers and made the firings stick. He had the backing of the entire US ruling elite, Democrats and Republicans alike, and critical assistance from the AFL-CIO bureaucracy, which blocked any large-scale mobilization of workers behind the PATCO strikers, leaving them to isolation and defeat. Volcker famously praised Reagan for breaking the PATCO strike, calling his action the most important factor in bringing inflation under control. PATCO set the pattern for the struggles which followed: Greyhound, Phelps Dodge, Hormel, International Paper, A. T. Massey Coal, Continental Airlines, and Eastern Airlines. Isolated groups of workers engaged in militant and protracted battles, in many cases against state repression and employer violence, all stabbed in the back by the AFL-CIO. The outcome was the destruction of union locals, the arrest, imprisonment and even murder of striking workers, the strengthening of the bureaucratic apparatus, and the emergence of corporatism—labor-management "partnership" —as the guiding philosophy of the American unions. Throughout this period, there was a bipartisan anti-labor front in Washington: Republican Reagan in the White House, Democrat Volcker at the Fed, a Republican-controlled US Senate, and a Democratic-controlled House of Representatives. Democratic governors and mayors worked hand-in-glove with unionbusting corporations, calling out the National Guard or mobilizing local police against strikes in Arizona, Minnesota, Kentucky, West Virginia and countless cities and towns. Particularly relevant today is the role played by the Democrats in the bailout of Chrysler Corporation in 1979-80. The Carter administration provided loan guarantees to Chrysler in return for concessions by the United Auto Workers union, including the first-ever cuts in wages and benefits imposed by a major American trade union on its own membership—setting the pattern for the concessions bargaining of the 1980s. Unemployment in the United States reached 11.3 percent in 1982, double the level of 1975. The average wage of young workers fell 30 percent by 1987. Infant mortality, family violence, drug addiction and other concomitants of economic hardship soared. But the wealthiest 1 percent of the population saw a staggering 50 percent increase in their wealth during that period. That is why the American ruling elite remembers the Volcker years fondly.
4/9/2017 4:33:47 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Copy & paste --- not reading
4/9/2017 5:07:29 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
scarredandtatto Oral, SD 52, joined Aug. 2013	The best Ronny Raygun quote? whatever his last words were. "NANCY! You're standing on my air hose!"...perhaps.
4/9/2017 5:09:20 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Scared ~~ My grandmother died at 93 of Alzheimer's -- usually their last words are "Who are you?"
4/9/2017 5:16:26 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
scarredandtatto Oral, SD 52, joined Aug. 2013	I'm sorry about that cup. I've seen Alzheimer's from a great man that lived in our village...heartbreaking. One afternoon he came in to my café and my granddad was there, they were the same age. I sat there for 2 hours and listened to them tell story after story after story about growing up and the good old days. Yet, this man would eat with his utensils backwards.
4/9/2017 5:18:43 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 45, joined Jul. 2013	Village??? Pleeeeeaaazzzzzzzzzzzzz...
4/9/2017 5:20:45 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
scarredandtatto Oral, SD 52, joined Aug. 2013	LOOK AT dis btch!!! All up my a* at every post. I need to throw a stick to distract him or something.
4/9/2017 6:57:52 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 45, joined Jul. 2013	Don't flatter yourself.
4/9/2017 7:45:39 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
scarredandtatto Oral, SD 52, joined Aug. 2013	Noooooooooooo I'll just check in on my posts and wade through your please of desperation that follow them.
4/9/2017 8:03:18 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jason_in_tx Bryan, TX 33, joined Apr. 2013	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Socialism only works in two places---Heaven, where they don't need it, and Hell, where they've always had it." Yeah, Reagan's mind was Swiss cheese by the time he took office.
4/9/2017 9:40:08 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
testsignup Springfield, VA 64, joined Sep. 2009 online now!	Quote from ludlowlowell: The RINO presidents Nixon and Ford produced stagflation, which grew worse under Carter. The nation prospered during the Reagan and first Bush administrations. Under Clinton, it did also, because tge Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich wouldn't let Clinton spend like a drunken sailor. Er, no, that's not what happened. Not remotely. You have the pure [propaganda version of events. The fairy tale version that Republicans like to tell their suckers. I mean followers. Reagan DID spend money like a "drunken sailor" as you like to put it, because he openly believed in what George Bush correctly labeled as Voodoo economics. That is, Reagan thought that if taxes on the rich are cut, that all of that money will be invested in hiring more people, and everything will get better. But that's crap, because no investor or business owner in full control of their faculties would EVER invest their money in expansion unless there were customers with money ready to buy. Reagan ALSO said the hell with deficits, and spent money like a 1970 era Democrat. That did spur the economy a bit, but what actually made it appear to take off, was the dot com bubble. Naturally, the Republicans like to leave that out of the myths they spin, because they don't want to remind people that what killed Bush's presidency, and made him a one-term President, was the POPPING of that Reagan era lucky bubble, and the bills coming home to roost from Reagan's wild spending. Then Clinton took over, and played a kind of conservative Democrat role, raising taxes to try to make up for the mess that Reagan's ideas made, and gradually coaxing the deficits back under control. Of course, HE benefited from another bubble, this one being the more infamous sub-prime mortgage bubble. The congress didn't do a damn thing to help Clinton, you again have a myth version of things going there. As Reagan was, Clinton was lucky, and that bubble burst under Bush. Bush and the Republican congress made that mess worse, by cutting revenues when they were desperately needed, in another supply side move that AGAIN accomplished nothing but diffing the deficits even deeper. We're still not entirely back from that mess, because Congress under the GOP has actively tried to torpedo the economy several times while Obama was in office, so that they could blame him for it, AND use it ans an excuse to get economic revenge on the Democrats (as they are doing now) by cutting any and all Democrat proposals and programs, whether they are good for the country and the people or not. The bulk of the deficits we are staggering under now, were put there by the Republicans, but of course, since they did increase some during Obama's time in office, the GOP lies to it's followers and pretends that they didn't give billions to their rich friends before Obama took office. They are also busy lying to you about how much of the stock market recovery took place under the Democrats.
4/9/2017 11:14:39 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
annamally Santa Clarita, CA 97, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from blake6972: Village??? Pleeeeeaaazzzzzzzzzzzzz... I thought Scar WAS one of the Village People ......
4/10/2017 5:48:25 AM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 65, joined Oct. 2010	During the presidential debate, the newsman asked Ronald Reagan what experience he would bring to the White House, he said.... "Do you think it was that easy to get a 20 mule team of jackasses to carry that borax across the desert for the last 20 years?"
4/10/2017 6:36:45 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
maniacmassager Lawrence, MA 51, joined Mar. 2008	Quote from muldoon1959: Yes. Good old Ronnie. Pretended to "fix" the economy by giving all the billionaires taxs cut then paid for it by stealing from our Social Security. You see, that's why they're trying to dupe you into thinking there's problems with social security and and it needs to be privatized. That way, they won't have to pay back the 2 trillion they stole from it. You know what trickle down actually means? Yeah. Tax cuts for the rich, deregulation for the powerful, and wage suppression for everyone else. Democratic Congress screwed him. they were supposed to cut spending but didn't. that's all the left wants to do. wasteful spending. sick bastards.
4/15/2017 2:57:52 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
testsignup Springfield, VA 64, joined Sep. 2009 online now!	Quote from maniacmassager: Democratic Congress screwed him. they were supposed to cut spending but didn't. that's all the left wants to do. wasteful spending. sick bastards. You are one of many who never heard that Reagan genuinely claimed that deficits don't matter, and that they could increase spending and cut revenues at the same time. Go back and look. When Reagan didn't like Congress' budgets, he vetoed them, and the Democrats who you like to demonize didn't have the votes to override his veto. So it still comes back to RR spending all the money.
4/15/2017 3:58:12 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Reagan gave across the board tax cuts. Social Security is unconstitutional---read the tenth amendment.
4/15/2017 4:09:37 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
nole_89 Loganville, GA 54, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Reagan gave across the board tax cuts. Social Security is unconstitutional---read the tenth amendment. If it was unconstitutional the supreme court would have ruled as such many years ago. As for Reagan, here's what he did. [Edited 4/15/2017 4:10:23 PM ]
4/15/2017 5:27:26 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	If you will bother to read the tenth amendment for yourself you will see that Social Security is unconstitutional---unless the Constitution specifically grants the federal government a power, the government may not exercise that power, and nowhere does the Constitution does not grant the federal government the authority to set up a national pension system. And even if Ronald Reagan was the worst president in history, he was still right that socialism only works in two places---Heaven where they don't need it, and Hell where they have always had it. Actually there is a third place where it works, in small groups such as families or Indian tribes.
4/15/2017 5:31:46 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	From each according to their ability. To each according to their ability to fool everyone they have no ability? Stay in school, study hard, don't do drugs, and keep your pants on. Else, take responsibility for your own damn self. Quote from ludlowlowell: "Socialism only works in two places---Heaven, where they don't need it, and Hell, where they've always had it."
4/15/2017 5:33:13 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from ludlowlowell: And even if Ronald Reagan was the worst president in history, he was still right that socialism only works in two places---Heaven where they don't need it, and Hell where they have always had it. Actually there is a third place where it works, in small groups such as families or Indian tribes. There's another place where socialism works fabulously well, is used quite often, and the recipients of all the socialism absolutely love it and would long ago have gone bust without it. That would be the American capitalists. "What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor." -- Gore Vidal --------- US bank bailout could cost $23.7 trillion By Andre Damon 22 July 2009 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/tarp-j22.html The outrageous rip-off of taxpayer-funded stadiums Bonnie Kristian http://theweek.com/articles/629756/outrageous-ripoff-taxpayerfunded-stadiums Capitalist 1% Wage Imperialist Wars! Hand the $4.79 Trillion Bill to the American People By Paul D. Shinkman Sept. 9, 2016 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/report-post-sept-11-wars-have-cost-479-trillion
4/15/2017 5:38:23 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	Condor, so you believe that people who don't stay in school, don't study, do drugs and take their pants off, and go on welfare, 20-30-40 year olds, have been coerced to live that life?
4/15/2017 5:41:05 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
nole_89 Loganville, GA 54, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: If you will bother to read the tenth amendment for yourself you will see that Social Security is unconstitutional---unless the Constitution specifically grants the federal government a power, the government may not exercise that power, and nowhere does the Constitution does not grant the federal government the authority to set up a national pension system. And even if Ronald Reagan was the worst president in history, he was still right that socialism only works in two places---Heaven where they don't need it, and Hell where they have always had it. Actually there is a third place where it works, in small groups such as families or Indian tribes. So, do you have a police force where you live?
4/15/2017 5:48:45 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
nole_89 Loganville, GA 54, joined May. 2010	Quote from jillybodob: Condor, so you believe that people who don't stay in school, don't study, do drugs and take their pants off, and go on welfare, 20-30-40 year olds, have been coerced to live that life? Therein lies the problem in every right wingers premise. The belief that the system still works. It once did, but that was decades ago. The erroneous premise of blue collar right wingers is that if you work hard and play by the rules(i.e. stay in school, don't do drugs, etc.) that the system will work for you and you will get out of life what you put into it. That once was true decades ago. Today it is a faulty premise. It doesn't work today because the system is rigged. Today if you play by the rules you still get screwed via bad trade deals, flooding the labor market with foreigners both skilled and unskilled to enable the corporate elite to circumvent the natural balance of labor supply/demand, laws that encourage shipping jobs overseas, etc. It's called neoliberalism. Until blue collar right wingers get this through their thick skulls that the system is rigged they'll continue to be sheep for the globalists and corporatists.
4/15/2017 5:55:42 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jillybodob: Condor, so you believe that people who don't stay in school, don't study, do drugs and take their pants off, and go on welfare, 20-30-40 year olds, have been coerced to live that life? Why are you trying to change the subject, capitalist-dude? What I think is that there is another place where socialism works fantastically well which Reagan failed to mention and you right-wing capitalism-lovers don't want to acknowledge. There's another place where socialism works fabulously well, is used quite often, and the recipients of all the socialism absolutely love it and would long ago have gone bust without it. That would be the American capitalists. "What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor." -- Gore Vidal --------- US bank bailout could cost $23.7 trillion By Andre Damon 22 July 2009 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/tarp-j22.html The outrageous rip-off of taxpayer-funded stadiums Bonnie Kristian http://theweek.com/articles/629756/outrageous-ripoff-taxpayerfunded-stadiums Capitalist 1% Wage Imperialist Wars! Hand the $4.79 Trillion Bill to the American People By Paul D. Shinkman Sept. 9, 2016 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/report-post-sept-11-wars-have-cost-479-trillion
4/15/2017 5:58:10 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	Nole, what is your message to people who don't take school as serious, don't study, do drugs and don't keep their pants on? Is it not your individual decision to do so, or is it someone elses fault you make the decisions you do?
4/15/2017 6:02:34 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	Condor, for 5000 years, socialism and communalism has resulted in the greatest poverty, suffering of the masses, and slavery, the world has ever known. We could debate this for decades but there is no need to as there is 5000 years of history as evidence to demonstrate. The people are helpless Quote from condor_0000: Why are you trying to change the subject, capitalist-dude? What I think is that there is another place where socialism works fantastically well which Reagan failed to mention and you right-wing capitalism-lovers don't want to acknowledge. There's another place where socialism works fabulously well, is used quite often, and the recipients of all the socialism absolutely love it and would long ago have gone bust without it. That would be the American capitalists. "What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor." -- Gore Vidal --------- US bank bailout could cost $23.7 trillion By Andre Damon 22 July 2009 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/tarp-j22.html The outrageous rip-off of taxpayer-funded stadiums Bonnie Kristian http://theweek.com/articles/629756/outrageous-ripoff-taxpayerfunded-stadiums Capitalist 1% Wage Imperialist Wars! Hand the $4.79 Trillion Bill to the American People By Paul D. Shinkman Sept. 9, 2016 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/report-post-sept-11-wars-have-cost-479-trillion
4/15/2017 6:05:27 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
nole_89 Loganville, GA 54, joined May. 2010	Quote from jillybodob: Nole, what is your message to people who don't take school as serious, don't study, do drugs and don't keep their pants on? Is it not your individual decision to do so, or is it someone elses fault you make the decisions you do? The Bible says those kinds of people will always be with us. They're an eye sore, but have little to do with what is at the heart of the decline of the middle class. When looking to where the source of economic problems lie don't look at the poor and the weak for the cause. It almost always emanates from the privileged and the powerful. Every impoverished nation has a corrupt gov't run by an elite ruling class.
4/15/2017 6:09:16 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	Nole, are they 'giving' according their ability, or just excusing themselves from responsibility for themselves? Which path did you go down?
4/15/2017 6:12:49 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
nole_89 Loganville, GA 54, joined May. 2010	Quote from jillybodob: Nole, are they 'giving' according their ability, or just excusing themselves from responsibility for themselves? Which path did you go down? I'm an accomplished I.T. professional with 2 bachelors degrees. You can guess why I despise the H-1B visa program. Just one example of the rigging I speak of.
4/15/2017 6:23:39 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jillybodob: Condor, for 5000 years, socialism and communalism has resulted in the greatest poverty, suffering of the masses, and slavery, the world has ever known. We could debate this for decades but there is no need to as there is 5000 years of history as evidence to demonstrate. Quite to the contrary, socialism is absolutely fantastic. And here's the proof: There's another place where socialism works fabulously well, is used quite often, and the recipients of all the socialism absolutely love it and would long ago have gone bust without it. That would be the American capitalists. "What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor." -- Gore Vidal --------- US bank bailout could cost $23.7 trillion By Andre Damon 22 July 2009 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/tarp-j22.html The outrageous rip-off of taxpayer-funded stadiums Bonnie Kristian http://theweek.com/articles/629756/outrageous-ripoff-taxpayerfunded-stadiums Capitalist 1% Wage Imperialist Wars! Hand the $4.79 Trillion Bill to the American People By Paul D. Shinkman Sept. 9, 2016 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/report-post-sept-11-wars-have-cost-479-trillion [Edited 4/15/2017 6:24:18 PM ]
4/15/2017 6:27:25 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jillybodob: Condor, for 5000 years, socialism and communalism has resulted in the greatest poverty, suffering of the masses, and slavery, the world has ever known. We could debate this for decades but there is no need to as there is 5000 years of history as evidence to demonstrate. As I've pointed out, socialism works fabulously well. On the other hand . . . "Almost all of the world is capitalist and almost all the world's people are poor." - Michael Parenti Pew report: 84 percent of world population subsists on under $20 per day By Andre Damon 11 July 2015 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/11/poor-j11.html Excerpt: Despite significant advances in communications, agriculture and bio-technology over the past 15 years, the overwhelming majority of the world population continues to live in economic privation, according to a report on global incomes published this week by the Pew Research Center. The report, entitled “A Global Middle Class is More Promise than Reality,” classifies 71 percent of the world population as either poor or low-income, subsisting on less than $10 per day. The report concludes that 84 percent lives on less than $20 per day, or $7,300 per year, an income level associated with “deep poverty” in developed countries. Only seven percent of the world population lives on what the report calls a “high” income level of more than $50 per day, or $18,000 per year.
4/15/2017 6:27:38 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	Condor, what does that have to do with staying in school, studying hard, not doing drugs, and keeping your pants on...and not putting a claim on the taxpayers to fund the consequences of your 'individual' decisions? Quote from condor_0000: Quite to the contrary, socialism is absolutely fantastic. And here's the proof: There's another place where socialism works fabulously well, is used quite often, and the recipients of all the socialism absolutely love it and would long ago have gone bust without it. That would be the American capitalists. "What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor." -- Gore Vidal --------- US bank bailout could cost $23.7 trillion By Andre Damon 22 July 2009 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/tarp-j22.html The outrageous rip-off of taxpayer-funded stadiums Bonnie Kristian http://theweek.com/articles/629756/outrageous-ripoff-taxpayerfunded-stadiums Capitalist 1% Wage Imperialist Wars! Hand the $4.79 Trillion Bill to the American People By Paul D. Shinkman Sept. 9, 2016 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/report-post-sept-11-wars-have-cost-479-trillion
4/15/2017 6:33:27 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jillybodob: Condor, what does that have to do with staying in school, studying hard, not doing drugs, and keeping your pants on...and not putting a claim on the taxpayers to fund the consequences of your 'individual' decisions? What does any of that have to do with the "Quote From Ronald Reagan." You're the one trying to change the topic, dude. You're trying to change the topic since the capitalists that you and Ronald Reagan love are the biggest recipients of socialism on the planet and it's working fabulously well for them. [Edited 4/15/2017 6:33:46 PM ]
4/15/2017 6:36:18 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
muldoon1959 Vallejo, CA 58, joined Feb. 2008	Yep. Socialized debt and privatized profits. That's how it works and for some strange reason, rightwingers like it that way. Even if they're the ones that get stuck with the socialized debt.
4/15/2017 6:49:07 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	That's cool Condor, cut off all Gov't spending on both. Except for Social Security of Medicare. At least for the people who paid their Gov't mandated insurance payments all their life.
4/15/2017 6:54:20 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jillybodob: That's cool Condor, cut off all Gov't spending on both. Except for Social Security of Medicare. At least for the people who paid their Gov't mandated insurance payments all their life. So, you're admitting that America's capitalists are the leading recipients of socialism; that socialism has worked magnificently well for them; and that supposed Reagan quote is complete and utter bull-shit. Great!
4/15/2017 6:57:39 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	No Condor, what I asked you is that if people should stay in school in school, study hard, not do drugs, and keep their pants on. Or if the Gov't should coddle them and take care of them for not doing so. In other words, support their poor individual decision making.
4/15/2017 9:25:07 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
testsignup Springfield, VA 64, joined Sep. 2009 online now!	Quote from ludlowlowell: If you will bother to read the tenth amendment for yourself you will see that Social Security is unconstitutional---unless the Constitution specifically grants the federal government a power, the government may not exercise that power, and nowhere does the Constitution does not grant the federal government the authority to set up a national pension system. And even if Ronald Reagan was the worst president in history, he was still right that socialism only works in two places---Heaven where they don't need it, and Hell where they have always had it. Actually there is a third place where it works, in small groups such as families or Indian tribes. Nope. Per the Supreme Court, Social Security IS constitutional. The way the Constitution does and doesn't work, is, that it isn't like, say, the Bible, where each follower can reinterpret it for themselves. The Supreme Court is the final word, not the individuals. So the fact that YOU think the Tenth means what you think it does (or any of the rest of it) doesn't matter in the least. As for the quote, there is no record that Reagan ever said that. But again, it STILL doesn't matter, because it is STILL just a snotty commentary. Not a carefully documented logical proof of anything. So pretend all you like that the Tenth Amendment means what you want it to mean, and pretend all you like that the fact that Reagan laughed off socialism has any meaning at all, if it entertains you. But if you want to claim that anyone else has to go along with you, then YOU are the one ignoring the Constitution (among other things).
4/15/2017 9:38:17 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
jillybodob Naperville, IL 27, joined Jul. 2013	Maybe the question that should be brought before the Supreme Court is weather of the intent of the program was to mandate a Gov't savings plan for people who pay into the system, or a welfare program for people who don't.
4/15/2017 9:46:09 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
haslefree Marietta, GA 58, joined Aug. 2011	Quote from annamally: Problem is Condor ..... No one ever reads your shit .
4/15/2017 9:53:46 PM	A Quote from Ronald Reagan
cherisays Myrtle Beach, SC 53, joined Dec. 2014	Does anyone read condorks shit? I don't.

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