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4/30/2017 11:53:39 AM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

iam_resurrected
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...believing that Christ has returned and that "ALL prophecy" has been 100% fulfilled ((would care)) to explain this:

The Council of Jamnia c. 85 is often stated to have condemned all who claimed the Messiah had already come, and Christianity in particular,

This is TEN YEARS "before" John wrote the "Book of Revelation" and 3 years "AFTER" John was tossed into Patmos by Domitian.

SO, since 85 AD they have KNOWN that ALL PROPHECY has NOT BEEN completed!!



I would suggest those of you who have been FOOLED to get your heads out of your rectums and finally "open" them EYES and EARS of yours!!

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4/30/2017 12:19:39 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  
cupocheer
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
...believing that Christ has returned and that "ALL prophecy" has been 100% fulfilled ((would care)) to explain this:

The Council of Jamnia c. 85 is often stated to have condemned all who claimed the Messiah had already come, and Christianity in particular,

This is TEN YEARS "before" John wrote the "Book of Revelation" and 3 years "AFTER" John was tossed into Patmos by Domitian.

SO, since 85 AD they have KNOWN that ALL PROPHECY has NOT BEEN completed!!



I would suggest those of you who have been FOOLED to get your heads out of your rectums and finally "open" them EYES and EARS of yours!!


Council of Jamnia

Hypothetically speaking, Iam ---- Bullshit.



Jesus said, "I came to fulfill prophesy."

'nuf said

4/30/2017 3:08:00 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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Quote from cupocheer:
Council of Jamnia

Hypothetically speaking, Iam ---- Bullshit.

Jesus said, "I came to fulfill prophesy."

'nuf said


nuf said?

I tried to find that quote from Jesus and I could not.

Did you make it up?

That's what Ludlow does, he just makes up things for Jesus to say and then he puts quote marks around it.

That's improper.

Just sayin'

4/30/2017 3:36:34 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
...believing that Christ has returned and that "ALL prophecy" has been 100% fulfilled ((would care)) to explain this:

The Council of Jamnia c. 85 is often stated to have condemned all who claimed the Messiah had already come, and Christianity in particular,

This is TEN YEARS "before" John wrote the "Book of Revelation" and 3 years "AFTER" John was tossed into Patmos by Domitian.

SO, since 85 AD they have KNOWN that ALL PROPHECY has NOT BEEN completed!!



I would suggest those of you who have been FOOLED to get your heads out of your rectums and finally "open" them EYES and EARS of yours!!


Have to love all the assumptions you are making. Your description does not fit me at all, hos ever I could not help smile when you call them a "sect". Its hilarious really, since there are so many "made in Murica sects" that base their belief around their own end times versions. Most of those sects deny what occurred at the Cross and by Christ. They are closer to Islam than Christianity in many, many ways.

But anyway, Christ did full fill prophecy.

The glory of Jesus Christ shines more clearly when we see him in his proper relation to the Old Testament. He has a magnificent relation to all that was written. It is not surprising that this is the case, because he is called the Word of God incarnate (John 1:14). Would not the Word of God incarnate be the sum and consummation of the word of God written? Consider these summary statements and the texts that support them.

1. All the Scriptures bear witness to Christ. Moses wrote about Christ.

“You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me. . . . If you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me.” (John 5:39, 46)
2. All the Scriptures are about Jesus Christ, even where there is no explicit prediction. That is, there is a fullness of implication in all the Scriptures that points to Christ and is satisfied only when he has come and done his work. “The meaning of all the Scriptures is unlocked by the death and resurrection of Jesus” (Graeme Goldsworthy, Preaching the Whole Bible as Christian Scripture, 54).

And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:27)
3. Jesus came to fulfill all that was written in the Law and the Prophets. All of it was pointing to him, even where it is not explicitly prophetic. He accomplishes what the Law required.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17–18)
4. All the promises of God in the Old Testament are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. That is, when you have Christ, sooner or later you will have both Christ himself and all else that God promised through Christ.

For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. (2 Corinthians 1:20)
5. The law was kept perfectly by Christ. And all its penalties against God’s sinful people were poured out on Christ. Therefore, the law is now manifestly not the path to righteousness; Christ is. The ultimate goal of the law is that we would look to Christ, not law-keeping, for our righteousness.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)
“When you have Christ, you also have everything God promised through him.” Tweet Share on Facebook
Therefore, with the coming of Christ, virtually everything has changed:

1. The blood sacrifices ceased because Christ fulfilled all that they were pointing toward. He was the final, unrepeatable sacrifice for sins. Hebrews 9:12, “He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.”

2. The priesthood that stood between worshiper and God has ceased. Hebrews 7:23–24, “The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.”

3. The physical temple has ceased to be the geographic center of worship. Now, Christ himself is the center of worship. He is the “place,” the “tent,” and the “temple” where we meet God. Therefore, Christianity has no geographic center, no Mecca, no Jerusalem. John 4:21, 23, “Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. . . . But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.’” John 2:19, 21, “‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.’ . . . He [Jesus] was speaking about the temple of his body.” Matthew 18:20, “For where two or three are gathered in my [Jesus’s] name, there am I among them.”

4. The food laws that set Israel apart from the nations have been fulfilled and ended in Christ. Mark 7:18–19, “[Jesus] said to them, . . . ‘Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?’ . . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.)”

5. The establishment of civil law on the basis of an ethnically rooted people, who are ruled directly by God, has ceased. The people of God are no longer a unified political body or an ethnic group or a nation-state, but are exiles and sojourners among all ethnic groups and all states. Therefore, God’s will for states is not taken directly from the Old Testament theocratic order, but should now be re-established from place to place and from time to time by means that correspond to God’s sovereign rule over all peoples, and that correspond to the fact that genuine obedience, rooted as it is in faith in Christ, cannot be coerced by law. The state is therefore grounded in God, but not expressive of God’s immediate rule. Romans 13:1, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.” John 18:36, “My [Jesus’s] kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting.”

Let us worship the wonder of Christ, who unleashed these massive changes in the world.
How Christ Fulfilled and Ended the Old Testament Regime | Desiring ...
www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-christ-fulfilled-and-ended-the-old-testament-regime


Anyway, carry on thinking Murica is what prophecy was all about, and not Christ. Good luch waiting for him to show up wearing the Stars and Stripes.

4/30/2017 6:36:13 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  
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Quote from followjesusonly:
nuf said?

I tried to find that quote from Jesus and I could not.

Did you make it up?

That's what Ludlow does, he just makes up things for Jesus to say and then he puts quote marks around it.

That's improper.

Just sayin'


You know what's "improper", FJO?

A lazy hypocrite. j/s

Do your own research.

4/30/2017 10:25:36 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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Quote from cupocheer:
You know what's "improper", FJO?

A lazy hypocrite. j/s

Do your own research.


Jesus never said, "I came to fulfill prophesy."

You should not put quotation marks around your beliefs and say that Jesus said them. And that's what quotation marks say.

If you mean to quote Jesus, then quote Him properly, don't paraphrase and put quotation marks around it.

Mat_5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Notice that the word "prophesy" is not even in that verse.

4/30/2017 10:28:16 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  
cupocheer
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Put your glasses on, FJO.

Do you read Spanish, FJO?

5/1/2017 3:52:00 AM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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Quote from cupocheer:
Put your glasses on, FJO.

Do you read Spanish, FJO?


You said,

Jesus said, "I came to fulfill prophesy."

That's not in Spanish.

Why are you so evasive and cavalier about misquoting Jesus? Ludlow does that exact same thing.

5/1/2017 8:57:16 AM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

isna_la_wica
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Matthew 24:36 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

36 `And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers of the heavens -- except my Father only;

And of course all these modern day prophets.




5/1/2017 10:44:10 AM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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Let's say, you are a follower of Yahshua in 50 AD, you are "one" (of) many who SURVIVED (in reality less than 500,000 out of 2 million people perished (more Jews than Christians along with Jewish "temple")) the 70 AD attacks, and then became a part of the re-gathering church "AFTER" 70 AD...

No way did these people MISS the "Second Coming," and why, (15) years later the council congregated to make it "CLEAR!!"

I do not BUY that ACTIVE "followers of Yahshua" WERE left BEHIND!!

That would make Yahshua a complete and utter LIAR!!



[Edited 5/1/2017 10:46:16 AM ]

5/1/2017 2:54:39 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Let's say, you are a follower of Yahshua in 50 AD, you are "one" (of) many who SURVIVED (in reality less than 500,000 out of 2 million people perished (more Jews than Christians along with Jewish "temple")) the 70 AD attacks, and then became a part of the re-gathering church "AFTER" 70 AD...

No way did these people MISS the "Second Coming," and why, (15) years later the council congregated to make it "CLEAR!!"

I do not BUY that ACTIVE "followers of Yahshua" WERE left BEHIND!!

That would make Yahshua a complete and utter LIAR!!


Talking to me?

I have never said the second coming already occurred. I have said, and this drives your buddy the anti Trinity guy crazy, that he never left us as orphans, and he as the Holy Spirit is with us.

As for a physical return? I have never said that has happened .

Jesus is the Temple.

John 2 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)14 and he found in the temple those selling oxen, and sheep, and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,
16 and to those selling the doves he said, `Take these things hence; make not the house of my Father a house of merchandise.'
17 And his disciples remembered that it is written, `The zeal of Thy house did eat me up;'
18 the Jews then answered and said to him, `What sign dost thou shew to us -- that thou dost these things?'
19 Jesus answered and said to them, `Destroy this sanctuary, and in three days I will raise it up.'
20 The Jews, therefore, said, `Forty and six years was this sanctuary building, and wilt thou in three days raise it up?'
21 but he spake concerning the sanctuary of his body;
22 when, then, he was raised out of the dead, his disciples remembered that he said this to them, and they believed the Writing, and the word that Jesus said.
23 And as he was in Jerusalem, in the passover, in the feast, many believed in his name, beholding his signs that he was doing;
24 and Jesus himself was not trusting himself to them, because of his knowing all [men],
25 and because he had no need that any should testify concerning man, for he himself was knowing what was in man.

If he is not enough as he is, for you? That is sad.

5/1/2017 9:12:34 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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5/2/2017 2:39:27 PM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  

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Excellent points!

Thoughtful thread....

5/30/2017 8:30:56 AM I wonder if the "sect" of believers whom practice...  
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