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5/9/2017 5:49:17 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Do you think harvesting organs from executed prisoners should remain illegal? Isn't a lot more human to "use" his / her organs to help others?

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5/9/2017 6:27:37 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
lordclarence
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Perhaps, to increase the availability of organs, voluntary posthumous organ donation by should be automatically inferred unless a person has made a will specifically prohibiting it, but I think executing prisoners should be abolished in the countries where it is still practiced on the grounds that it is cruel and inhumane. The grisly prospect of corrupt officials ordering executions motivated by a desire to exploit the condemned for their body parts reinforces this opinion.



[Edited 5/9/2017 6:29:24 AM ]

5/9/2017 6:34:57 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

w6o6l6f_1
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Only if they are an organ Doner on their ID card.

5/9/2017 11:00:30 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from lordclarence:
Perhaps, to increase the availability of organs, voluntary posthumous organ donation by should be automatically inferred unless a person has made a will specifically prohibiting it, but I think executing prisoners should be abolished in the countries where it is still practiced on the grounds that it is cruel and inhumane. The grisly prospect of corrupt officials ordering executions motivated by a desire to exploit the condemned for their body parts reinforces this opinion.


Usually those sentenced to be executed were hundred times crueler than their victims...so, the "cruel and inhuman" part doesn't bother me. The other point in your post...well I feel 50/50.
My point is that many lives could be saved if the dead person' s organs were not given to the worms.

5/9/2017 11:01:45 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
61falcon
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Only a handful of states still execute,it would not increase the supply of organs by very much.

5/9/2017 11:02:06 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from w6o6l6f_1:
Only if they are an organ Doner on their ID card.


Well, a person sentenced to be executed...IMHO...doesn't have the right to make such decision.

5/9/2017 11:05:49 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

w6o6l6f_1
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You are able to request your organs to go to a certain person.

Sometimes donor lists are a long wait.

Say if my brother needed a liver.
I could predonate that to him if I died.

5/9/2017 4:25:35 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from w6o6l6f_1:
You are able to request your organs to go to a certain person.

Sometimes donor lists are a long wait.

Say if my brother needed a liver.
I could pre-donate that to him if I died.


I started this thread because I know the two situations you mention....but O don't think a criminal has the right to chose.

5/9/2017 5:20:09 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
waltree
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FREE! MEDICAL CARE? IT IS FREE!

In The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

YEA! EXECUTE PRISONERS FOR THEIR ORGANS: SO; The SUPER RICH CAN LIVE LONGER!

WHAT'S THE CRIME? YOUR A D.N.A. Is a MATCH FOR A V.I.P.!

It Is Not a Crime. It's The CORRUPT LAW! You ARE A PRISONER And YOUR ORGANS ARE NEEDED!

PRONTO!

5/9/2017 6:01:39 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

kraven_morehed
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HHHHHMMMMMmmmmm......
giving somebody who is already in bad health an organ that shut down because it has poison running through it...

what could possibly go wrong?



5/9/2017 7:09:44 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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waltree

Unless you make sane contributions to the thread I will block you. Period.

5/9/2017 7:11:20 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from kraven_morehed:
HHHHHMMMMMmmmmm......
giving somebody who is already in bad health an organ that shut down because it has poison running through it...

what could possibly go wrong?



You have a point there.

5/9/2017 7:25:12 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

fishnthec
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They should feed the carcasses to the other prisoners on Death row!

"Hey, if you want any pudding' then you'll have to eat your meat"!

5/9/2017 7:35:07 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from fishnthec:
They should feed the carcasses to the other prisoners on Death row!

"Hey, if you want any pudding' then you'll have to eat your meat"!



is that your "freedom of speech" comment?

5/9/2017 7:43:03 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
cafe_express
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Only if the one being executed agrees. They would have to sedate them, put them on life support and then kill them post harvest. Can't be on too many drugs, taints the organs.

5/9/2017 10:12:23 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

testsignup
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Not the way most executions take place. Not interested in a slightly used and thoroughly poisoned heart or liver,thankyou. And a cooked one (electrocution) isn't interesting either.

5/10/2017 6:37:45 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from cafe_express:
Only if the one being executed agrees. They would have to sedate them, put them on life support and then kill them post harvest. Can't be on too many drugs, taints the organs.


Well, then, we will have to return to the electric chair...LOL

Do you agree with harvesting the organs of every young person who died in an accident w/o the need of his / her family's approval?

5/11/2017 10:10:04 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
fellowforyou
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Long as they give permission should be no problem.

5/11/2017 4:42:28 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from fellowforyou:
Long as they give permission should be no problem.


I don't think permission should be required, but if it reduces the lack of organs...so be it.

5/12/2017 6:49:57 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Why people are so afraid about this topic?

5/12/2017 6:48:00 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
fellowforyou
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Too often it's ignorance, rather than indifference.

5/13/2017 6:57:45 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from fellowforyou:
Too often it's ignorance, rather than indifference.


Do you mean ignorance as in "I didn't know organs could be donated" or the other kind of ignorance, the one induced by religion?
Two years ago, a young local football prospect was killed by two bank robbers; his organs went to save the lives of six people.
Isn't this a lot more decent than to allow the organs to be eaten by the worms?

5/13/2017 11:11:42 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
Yasureoktoo
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I recall one famous case, and the subject for Capote's "in Cold Blood", where the eyes of one of the killers were donated.

5/13/2017 11:13:34 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
Yasureoktoo
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We also need execution methods where the parts aren't tainted. this could turn ugly.
Beheading is probably the best.

5/13/2017 1:36:20 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from Yasureoktoo:
I recall one famous case, and the subject for Capote's "in Cold Blood", where the eyes of one of the killers were donated.


Do you mean "the corneas"?

5/13/2017 1:36:52 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from Yasureoktoo:
We also need execution methods where the parts aren't tainted. this could turn ugly.
Beheading is probably the best.


The chair?

5/13/2017 2:11:28 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
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I think the chair would cause too much tissue damage.
There's a reason they call it "frying" in the electric chair.

5/13/2017 6:17:02 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
cafe_express
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Quote from duchessa:
Well, then, we will have to return to the electric chair...LOL

Do you agree with harvesting the organs of every young person who died in an accident w/o the need of his / her family's approval?


Oh no. In fact, the Jewish religion, you cannot dismember the body. No one has a right to that, heck, they would be killing people on purpose. To much money at stake.

5/13/2017 7:24:26 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from cafe_express:
Oh no. In fact, the Jewish religion, you cannot dismember the body. No one has a right to that, heck, they would be killing people on purpose. To much money at stake.


1. The organs will be for free.

2. I know about the Jewish religion.

3. I wonder what the Jewish people would say about receiving an organ from a person whose religion doesn't oppose organ donation....would they refuse the chance to save one of them?

5/13/2017 8:06:57 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
cafe_express
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The answer is yes. They are permitted to sign organ donor cards to save a life. Just cannot dismemeber for no good reason.

The Talmud makes it clear that to do so unnecessarily and for no good purpose would violate the principle of k’vod ha’met, honoring the dead. But if such a post-mortem examination might save a life, the Talmud teaches us that we should indeed examine that body by all means available.

Jewish law does, in fact, permit organ donation! Whatever you have heard, whatever you thought you learned, set that all aside. Jewish law permits us to sign our donor cards and, when someone we love dies, to use their body to save other lives.

5/13/2017 9:51:12 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
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Quote from duchessa:
Well, a person sentenced to be executed...IMHO...doesn't have the right to make such decision.

Yes they should. Being sentenced does not mean you should suddenly not be able to own your own body.

5/14/2017 6:32:30 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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cafe_express:

""The answer is yes. They are permitted to sign organ donor cards to save a life. Just cannot dismemeber for no good reason. ""

Well, that's not what you said on your previous post.

"" The Talmud makes it clear that to do so unnecessarily and for no good purpose would violate the principle of k’vod ha’met, honoring the dead. But if such a post-mortem examination might save a life, the Talmud teaches us that we should indeed examine that body by all means available.""

Who, in their sane main, would dismember a body?

5/14/2017 6:34:35 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from doublethree:
Yes they should. Being sentenced does not mean you should suddenly not be able to own your own body.


I guess is a matter of individual feelings. I don't think a serial killer should have such right.

5/14/2017 6:39:19 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

w6o6l6f_1
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They should also have the right to refuse.

5/15/2017 2:08:30 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from w6o6l6f_1:
They should also have the right to refuse.


And to give the worms a good diner?

5/15/2017 3:00:56 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
ron6280a
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All death row inmates should be screened for diseases and tested to develop a donor compatibility profile. That profile is then intered into a national donor database.

When the need for an organ matches compatibility with an inmate in the database, that inmates execution date has arrived. Strap that inmate down and harvest the needed organ, no anesthesia, a little sedation if they kick to much. The organ harvesting process also serves as the execution process!

5/15/2017 3:08:39 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
ron6280a
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Quote from ron6280a:
All death row inmates should be screened for diseases and tested to develop a donor compatibility profile. That profile is then intered into a national donor database.

When the need for an organ matches compatibility with an inmate in the database, that inmates execution date has arrived. Strap that inmate down and harvest the needed organ, no anesthesia, a little sedation if they kick to much. The organ harvesting process also serves as the execution process!


The more i think about it......we should not limit this to death row inmates.....include those doing life as well.

So everyone doing life could move to death row at a moments notice!



[Edited 5/15/2017 3:11:14 PM ]

5/15/2017 4:49:39 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from ron6280a:

""All death row inmates should be screened for diseases and tested to develop a donor compatibility profile. That profile is then intered into a national donor database.""

I agree.


""When the need for an organ matches compatibility with an inmate in the database, that inmates execution date has arrived. Strap that inmate down and harvest the needed organ, no anesthesia, a little sedation if they kick to much. The organ harvesting process also serves as the execution process!"""

Even as a joke the above stated is an aberration.

5/15/2017 4:50:38 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from ron6280a:
The more i think about it......we should not limit this to death row inmates.....include those doing life as well.

So everyone doing life could move to death row at a moments notice!


Time to block you.

5/15/2017 7:30:15 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
fellowforyou
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Transplanting organs is a most humane deed.
I've had relative who donated their organs.
It makes a lot of sense.

5/15/2017 7:32:23 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from fellowforyou:
Transplanting organs is a most humane deed.
I've had relative who donated their organs.
It makes a lot of sense.


It does to me as well but many people, engulfed in the ignorance of religion, prefer the organs to go to waste.

5/15/2017 7:46:34 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

sinceresammy
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They weren't worth anything alive. Are they worth anything dead? As for harvesting, the proper death would be by guillotine.

5/15/2017 8:05:52 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
61foulcohen
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Quote from ron6280a:
All death row inmates should be screened for diseases and tested to develop a donor compatibility profile. That profile is then intered into a national donor database.

When the need for an organ matches compatibility with an inmate in the database, that inmates execution date has arrived. Strap that inmate down and harvest the needed organ, no anesthesia, a little sedation if they kick to much. The organ harvesting process also serves as the execution process!


Amen to that!

5/15/2017 8:07:04 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
61foulcohen
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Quote from duchessa:
It does to me as well but many people, engulfed in the ignorance of religion, prefer the organs to go to waste.


My organs are going with me to the afterlife. You might need them on the other side.

5/16/2017 6:14:38 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from sinceresammy:
They weren't worth anything alive. Are they worth anything dead? As for harvesting, the proper death would be by guillotine.


I may agree w/you...to certain point....See? We must not forget we are human beings.

5/16/2017 6:19:04 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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61foulcohen

One post at 9:05 and the second at 9:07....opposing each other. Oxymoron to say the least.

BTW, the second post is an attempt to make me react about religion. No chance.

5/16/2017 6:21:15 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

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(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)

5/16/2017 7:33:39 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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You're still here, you ugly old b*tch!


Darling, the fact I rejected you doesn't justify your ignorant behavior.

5/16/2017 9:41:36 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
doublethree
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why would anyone want to receive organs from serial killers, anyway? I remember some people who have claimed when they got transplants they took on personality traits of the person the organs originally belonged to.

5/16/2017 3:25:57 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from doublethree:
why would anyone want to receive organs from serial killers, anyway? I remember some people who have claimed when they got transplants they took on personality traits of the person the organs originally belonged to.


Unless you are making a bad yoke your comment is pitiful.

5/16/2017 4:15:04 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
doublethree
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Quote from duchessa:
Unless you are making a bad yoke your comment is pitiful.

I know of people who claimed it. I of course can't prove it's true or not. Seems like one guy got some organ transplant from a guy who liked spicy food so then the guy who got the organ suddenly started liking spicy food, etc...

5/16/2017 5:24:11 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from doublethree:
I know of people who claimed it. I of course can't prove it's true or not. Seems like one guy got some organ transplant from a guy who liked spicy food so then the guy who got the organ suddenly started liking spicy food, etc...


The difference between claiming and verification there is abysmal. The psychology team may have an explanation.

5/16/2017 6:06:56 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
doublethree
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Quote from duchessa:
The difference between claiming and verification there is abysmal. The psychology team may have an explanation.

Assuming it's not true is like asuming the earth is flat before it was shown to be otherwise. Scientists have laughed fof a lot of "paranomral" thigns and later confirmed them to be true.

5/16/2017 6:43:54 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

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Quote from waltree:
FREE! MEDICAL CARE? IT IS FREE!

In The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

YEA! EXECUTE PRISONERS FOR THEIR ORGANS: SO; The SUPER RICH CAN LIVE LONGER!

WHAT'S THE CRIME? YOUR A D.N.A. Is a MATCH FOR A V.I.P.!

It Is Not a Crime. It's The CORRUPT LAW! You ARE A PRISONER And YOUR ORGANS ARE NEEDED!

PRONTO!

I agree (without all the shouting.)

I wouldn't put it past Trump for a second, to frame an innocent man and have him executed so that Trump could harvest his rare organ match for himself.

(And if he was caught he would just pardon himself of the murder and demand an investigation to root out the whistle-blower.)

5/16/2017 11:04:39 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
doublethree
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lobo, simply replace trump with O or Clinton in your post, and then it's more believable.

5/17/2017 1:03:54 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from doublethree:
lobo, simply replace trump with O or Clinton in your post, and then it's more believable.

No. Not even remotely.

Obama has more class in his little pinky than Trump ever dreamed of having, and Clinton has more intelligence. Both of them have been serving the public for most of their lives. Trump has never served anyone but himself.

5/17/2017 8:37:11 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from doublethree:
Assuming it's not true is like asuming the earth is flat before it was shown to be otherwise. Scientists have laughed fof a lot of "paranomral" thigns and later confirmed them to be true.


You may say a person could have second feelings about receiving and organ...specially an external one such as a toe, a leg / hand even a cornea....but from there to assume the recipient will act like the donor because he/she got his/her liver, lung, heart....Please.

5/17/2017 8:38:41 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

duchessa
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
I agree (without all the shouting.)

I wouldn't put it past Trump for a second, to frame an innocent man and have him executed so that Trump could harvest his rare organ match for himself.

(And if he was caught he would just pardon himself of the murder and demand an investigation to root out the whistle-blower.)


Lobo, I think you are a lot more intelligent than what you show in the above post.

5/17/2017 11:00:07 AM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  
doublethree
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
No. Not even remotely.

Obama has more class in his little pinky than Trump ever dreamed of having, and Clinton has more intelligence. Both of them have been serving the public for most of their lives. Trump has never served anyone but himself.

You gave me a good laugh therte. obama was CONSTANTLY letting tiny reactions by people make him mad nd was using his speeches to throw jabs at peoplehe as mad at for not loving him.

5/17/2017 2:17:23 PM Organs transplants and executed prisoners  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from doublethree:
You gave me a good laugh therte. obama was CONSTANTLY letting tiny reactions by people make him mad nd was using his speeches to throw jabs at peoplehe as mad at for not loving him.

No. You are confusing Obama with Trump, clearly.

Feel free to try to find some video evidence of your delusion of an Obama speech though! Maybe something from a prayer breakfast about some rival's ratings, or the size of his...um...inauguration crowd, for example?