Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur

5/28/2017 4:53:40 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008	Constantine created the catholic church. Anyone can see that. No scholar starts catholic church history before constantine. The christian bible has never had anything to do with the catholic church. It has always been independent of any denomination. Meaning the real christians have always had it. The catholic church has always tried to erase it and christians from the earth. Just a point the catholics do not and never have used the christian bible. KJV. TR. Masoretic.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHLisWWbpiY https://youtu.be/GHLisWWbpiY Is Roman Catholicism a FALSE GOSPEL! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6z5JHpDbZU Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. The origin of the Catholic Church is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, yes, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman Empire. One result was the Catholic Church becoming the supreme religion in the Roman world for centuries. However, another result was the most dominant form of Christianity apostatizing from the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the true proclamation of God’s Word. Second Timothy 4:3–4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” Reasoning from the Scriptures with Catholics by Ron Rhodes Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
5/29/2017 12:55:40 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	This is a very good topic. We used to have several Catholics here on DH. One by one they dropped off after trying to spread their lies. First off they said I had no business being here. As if they had any rights to decide such things. One guy said to me, "I'm not impressed with you," when he first met me. Quote from deneez: It is easy for someone without any affiliation to any church to stand behind a rock and throw shots at you. You've aligned yourself with this Church, being neither hot nor cold...which is why some of the things brought forth from the both of them make me want to vomit. She proceeded to try and prove that the word "catholic" was in the Bible. She claimed it was "KATH'OLES" and was in Acts 9:31. CLV Ac 9:31 Indeed, then, the ecclesia down the whole of Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace, being edified, and, going on in the fear of the Lord and the consolation of the holy spirit, multiplied. To this day I have not been able to find it. Another Catholic use to go to the Blue Bible website and copy Modern Greek and try to pass it off as Ancient Greek. I caught him doing this several times. He was so angry that I caught him he tried to publish my personal information here. He didn't get very far. Catholics get upset when you can disprove something that their "pope" says. Paul mentioned three Heavens in 2Corinthians 12:2. One guy got upset when I was able to show the first was the heaven that was destroyed in the flood. The second is our present heaven that Jesus said would pass away (Luke 16:17). The third being the New Heaven (Rev. 21:1). And then there is ludlow. He keeps saying that it was the Catholic church that put together the Bible at the Synod of Hippo in 393 AD. The problem is, some of the Ancient Koine Greek manuscripts are older than that and contain all the books of the NT. He got so upset that he ropped louie into setting me up by saying my screen name, BigD, was sexually suggestive and offensive. I called him a pervert and he has blocked me ever since. But he had lost so many discussions to me before that. I believe that the Catholics have alot to answer for. They claim to be the oldest Christian religion yet the word "catholic" is not in the Bible. Nowhere to be found. ludlow used to say that only 200 people were killed during the Catholic Inquisitions. He has since changed his mind because so many people called him on that and have produced a ton of evidence. ludlow doesn't believe in evidence. Yes, there are alot of pagan beliefs incorporated into the Catholic doctrines. Some are... hell purgatory trinity belief in an "after-life" prayers to the dead Just to name a few. And to support this mess they love to use the writings of the early church fathers. Writings that were deemed Unscriptural by the Catholic church. Good job
5/29/2017 1:04:52 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Constantine certainly did not create the Catholic Church. He wasn't even baptized until he was dying. Long before Constantine was born the Catholic Church had popes, bushops, priests, Mass, the Holy Eucharist, all seven sacraments, Confession, prays for the dead (Purgatory), prays to saints, a prohibition against divorce and remarriage, Sunday worship, and infant Baptism. See the writings of Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, Clement of Rome, Didache, Shepherd of Hermas, Origen, Tertullian, Cyprian, Justin Martyr, and Ireneus, all of whom lived before Constantine. The Catholic Church was founded by Christ. Rejection of the Catholic Church is the same as rejecting Christ Himself. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
5/29/2017 10:11:17 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Of course, it was Constantine who created the Catholic church. If Jesus did, then why isn't the word "catholic" in the Bible? Also, the sacraments are not listed in the Bible either. ludlow must have a different Bible than the rest of us do.
5/29/2017 2:55:34 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Good post, bigd. And then Ludlow said: "The Catholic Church was founded by Christ. Rejection of the Catholic Church is the same as rejecting Christ Himself. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And Charles Brown says:
5/29/2017 10:12:07 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
_ladybug_ Paragould, AR 66, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from clarity101: Constantine created the catholic church. Anyone can see that. No scholar starts catholic church history before constantine. The christian bible has never had anything to do with the catholic church. It has always been independent of any denomination. Meaning the real christians have always had it. The catholic church has always tried to erase it and christians from the earth. Just a point the catholics do not and never have used the christian bible. KJV. TR. Masoretic.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHLisWWbpiY https://youtu.be/GHLisWWbpiY Is Roman Catholicism a FALSE GOSPEL! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6z5JHpDbZU Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. The origin of the Catholic Church is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, yes, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman Empire. One result was the Catholic Church becoming the supreme religion in the Roman world for centuries. However, another result was the most dominant form of Christianity apostatizing from the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the true proclamation of God’s Word. Second Timothy 4:3–4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” Reasoning from the Scriptures with Catholics by Ron Rhodes Very good subject Clarity! Whenever these issues, which I've bolded in your opening paragraphs, and for many, many other reasons, I always pray it will remove Catholic's blindness and hardened hearts to the truth resulting in their exiting the Catholic denomination as fast as they can! Don't walk but RUN away from the Catholic denomination!! Especially when it comes to their false belief they are forgiven all sins by confessing them to a man, another human being that has absolutely NO authority to forgive sins! Nor does Mary!! And no, Christ Jesus has NOT delegated the authority to these men in fancy attire to forgive sins. ONLY Christ Jesus has the power to forgive! Therefore, without watching the videos you've given the links to, my answer to, are they saved? Without a doubt, my answer is NO!! Not with their pagan beliefs and practices. If they truly knew the Truth and truly accepted Christ as their Savior, they would know remaining a Catholic is wrong and wouldn't remain a Catholic. The Holy Spirit would convict them leading they away from that false religion. Their eyes would immediately be opened to the Truth! I can speak for this because that's exactly what happened to me. Praise the Lord!! And, as usual, lud will try to persecute me of now being a horrible pagan for leaving the Catholic church. If he only knew the truth! Oh, and I will watch the videos you've posted the links to.
5/30/2017 12:13:26 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Truth? Outside the Catholic Church? Who has the truth? The Lutherans teach a different gospel than the Anglicans, who teach a different gospel than the Baptists, who teach a different gospel than the Pentecostals, who teach a fifferent gospel than the Seventh Day Adventists, who teach a different gospel than the Jehovah's Witnesses, who teach a different gospel than the other denomination, than the other denomination, than the other denomination, than the other denomination... Truth? Where can you find it, except from the Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ? When you read the New Testament, do you find a gazillion denominations, each teaching something different than the other one, or do you find one united Church?
5/30/2017 12:33:52 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	ludlow has no truth in him. He is a product of the Catholic church.
5/30/2017 3:55:43 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
brashdoc Chehalis, WA 64, joined Aug. 2008	The Roman Catholic Church & The Gospel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYs9ItAS0ZE Debating The Catholic Doctrines of Mary & their Distraction From Glorifying Christ Alone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ie46V2wfw
5/30/2017 6:52:33 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
_ladybug_ Paragould, AR 66, joined Sep. 2013	Excellent video .... Why I Am NOT A Catholic! Compares the KJV Holy Bible to the Roman Catholic (anti - Biblical) "tradition" teaching. This is why the Catholic Church discourages Catholics from reading the "true" Holy Bible and tells them the church will teach them what they need to know. These are the reasons why I am not a Catholic anymore! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F8ZRfUpcJU
5/30/2017 10:32:59 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008	more good info about the truth of the roman catholic pagan church Rome's Counter Reformation (Part One) In this program you will learn how the Church of Rome is still working to carry out a counter reformation in order to turn the world's religions toward Rome and thus accomplish their ultimate goal of being the dominate world religion. http://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/romes-counter-reformation-part-one The History of the Church of Rome (Part Two) In this episode Mike Gendron lays out the dates, the history, and the issues that created the apostasy and false religion of the Church of Rome. http://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/history-church-rome-part-two
5/30/2017 10:58:33 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Devotion to Mary most certainly does not take away from the glory and devotion we give to Christ. In fact the exact opposite is true---the more devotion we have for Mary the more we are going to have for Jesus. Catholics believe that Jesus is God Incarnate and that Mary is just a human being. Protestants, most of them, also believe in the divinity of Christ but this is not emphasized in Protestantism like it is in Catholicism. In my case I was a Methodist for the first seventeen years of my life and only once heard that Jesus is God. So in Catholicism there will never be any danger that devotion to Mary takes away from devotion to Jesus. How does devotion to Mary enhance devotion to Jesus? How can anybody think of Mary without thinking of Jesus? When we call Mary the mother of God we are reminding ourselves that Jesus is God. Nobody who ever had a devotion to Mary ever doubted that Jesus was born of a virgin, died for our sins, literally rose from the dead, or is literally present in the Holy Eucharist. Nobody with a devotion to Mary ever doubted any of the miracles performed by Jesus. Jesus and Mary are not competitors. They are on the same team. They are not like Leno and Letterman, competing for ratings; they are more like Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon.
5/30/2017 11:11:58 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008	The Church of Rome Steps Into Apostasy By: The John Ankerberg Show Is the Roman Catholic Church “apostolic” as its clergy proclaims or “apostate” as its doctrines demonstrate? Former Catholic Mike Gendron answers this question by identifying five steps of apostasy that brought Roman Catholicism to where it is today. The Church of Rome Steps Into Apostasy Two streams of Christianity have been operating side by side for nearly 2000 years. One stream is made up of apostolic churches whose members have been hated and persecuted by the world. The other stream contains apostate churches whose members are loved by the world. These apostates follow doctrines of demons and grow worse and worse as the Day of our Lord approaches. A question that is hotly debated among evangelicals today is: which stream is the Roman Catholic Church? Is it “apostolic ”as its clergy proclaims or ”apostate ”as its doctrines demonstrate? To answer the question let us investigate church history through the lens of the seven churches in the book of Revelation. The letters Jesus wrote to these churches describe not only the conditions that existed in the churches at the end of the first century but also the conditions that would describe the church during different time periods in history. The seven periods of church history that are commonly identified with each church are as follows: Ephesus—33 to 100; Smyrna— 100 to 316; Pergamos—316 to 615; Thyatira—615 to 1517; Sardis—1517 to 1750; Philadelphia—1750 to 1850 and Laodicea—1850 to present. It is important to note that Jesus had something against five of these churches. As we study these rebukes against each church chronologically we can see a step by step progression of the professing church into apostasy. (Note: the “professing church” is made up all who profess to be Christians, both genuine believers and those who have never been born again.) Love of Jesus Is Forsaken The first step into apostasy is when the church forsakes its love for Jesus, a rebuke Jesus gave to the church at Ephesus (Rev. 2:4). With the growing persecution of Christians in the 2nd and 3rd century the professing church became more concerned about their well being than their unwavering devotion to their Savior. Their minds were led astray from the purity of their devotion to Christ (2 Cor. 11:3). Thus when Constantine offered put a halt to further persecution by making Christianity the official religion of Roman Empire, the church accepted. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money…lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God (2 Tim. 3:2-4). This was hailed as a great victory for the church but ironically it was the beginning of her downward spiral into apostasy. Many believe this was the genesis of the Roman Catholic Church. After the wedding of church and state by Constantine, true believers began to come out of the apostate system. False Teaching Is Tolerated The second step into apostasy is when the church begins to compromise God’s word with worldly teachings and traditions, a rebuke Jesus gave to the church of Pergamum (Rev. 2:14-15). The church, which had remained doctrinally pure and been sanctified by the truth of God’s word, was now embracing paganism. The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires (2 Tim. 4:3). In 431 AD the Roman Church declared water baptism to be efficacious in regenerating the soul. This ritual enabled pagans to enter the church without repentance or faith. “Paganism survived…by an often indulgent Church. An intimate and trustful worship of saints replaced the cult of pagan gods…Statues of Isis and Horus were renamed Mary and Jesus…incense, processions, vestments, hymns which had pleased the people in older cults were domesticated and cleansed in the ritual of the Church…the world converted Christianity.”[1] Sin Is Tolerated Once a church has forsaken their love for Jesus and compromised His Word, the downward spiral continues as it begins to tolerate sin and sexual immorality. This was the rebuke Jesus gave to the church of Thyatira (Rev. 2:20-23). A major compromise by the Roman Church was to deny God’s judgment upon all sin. A new category of sin called venial was contrived that did not warrant the punishment of hell. Whenever God’s Word is perverted by man, the absolute standard for living sensibly, righteously and godly is impeached. This was evidenced by a period of blatant sexual immorality among Roman Catholic clergy from 615 to 1517 AD. By forbidding its clergy to marry (a doctrine of the devil) the church suffered through numerous sexual scandals. In the 15th century Rome had more prostitutes than any city in the world because it had more celebates.[2] Papal promiscuity led to the birth of many known bastards, some of whom would later become popes themselves. Pope Pius II (1458-64) said Rome was “the only city run by bastards.”[3] Peter clearly communicated the rise of these false prophets: They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you, having eyes full of adultery and that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children; forsaking the right way they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness (2 Pet. 13-15).
5/30/2017 11:12:02 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008	Death Is Imminent When a church loves the world more than Jesus, perverts God’s word and practices ungodliness and idolatry, it faces certain death. Although the church of Sardis professed the name of Jesus, it was rebuked for being spiritually dead (Rev. 3:1). So it is with the apostate Roman Catholic Church. Many Catholics profess to be Christians but have never been born of the Spirit of God. They have a form of godliness but deny the Gospel and its power to bring life to those dead in their sins (2 Tim. 3:5). Jesus offers a sobering warning for those who are Christians in name only: “many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness’” (Matt. 7:21-23). Jesus Is Replaced The last step into apostasy occurs when Jesus is no longer part of the Church as wit-nessed by the rebuke of the Laodicean church Jesus is on the outside asking to be invited back in: “Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with Me” (Rev. 3:20). What a vivid picture this is of the Roman Catholic Church which has replaced the glorified Jesus Christ with the worship of a lifeless piece of bread. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image (Rom. 1:21-23). The Catholic Church has also replaced Jesus as the only way of salvation by declaring itself necessary for salvation[4] and as the only mediator by declaring Mary the mediatrix.[5] The church of Laodicea also boasted of being rich and in need of nothing yet unaware of its spiritual poverty. So it is with the Roman Church which has now become the richest institution on the face of the earth. The Roman Catholic Church is not alone in yielding to these 5 steps of apostasy. Since the reformation there are now a number of protestant churches, denominations, seminaries and ministries in different stages of apostasy. What are we to do? Are there biblical exhortations to follow? If you are one of God’s elect worshipping in an apostate church, the message is clear: come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. “And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” says the Lord Almighty (2 Cor. 6:17-18). If you are a believer in the midst of apostasy, the message is also clear: do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them (Eph. 5:11). Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God…do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds (2 John 9-11). As we witness the great apostasy enveloping the world it is both discouraging and encouraging. It is discouraging to see so many being deceived and falling away from the true faith. However, it is encouraging to know that the great apostasy must occur before the Lord Jesus returns to take His church home to heaven (2 Thess. 2:3).
5/30/2017 12:14:22 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
brashdoc Chehalis, WA 64, joined Aug. 2008	The second video post on the unbiblical dogma of Mary is one of the best debates on clearly seeing an unbiblical doctrine built on pure speculation & assumptions that have no Scriptural basis. One can clearly see that in this debate Mary is made into a god. Who alone is omniscient? God alone. Yet Mary is somehow made omniscient by the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church to be able to know every prayer from millions of people, all at once, & has the omnipotent power to answer millions of prayers, all over the world, at the same time. Only God can do this. Mary is said to forgive sins yet only God alone can forgive sins. BLASPHEMY! I will defend the Trinity & Deity of Christ & the propitiation & salvation found in Christ alone by faith through grace; I will defend the resurrection of the dead & eternal judgment, etc. because these were the teachings passed down from Christ & the apostles--& these are the ones we contend for--'the faith entrusted once for all to the saints.' All those were entrusted to THE SAINTS, not the Roman Catholic church. NONE of the marian dogmas were passed down from Christ or the apostles, NONE of them were 'once for all delivered to the saints' back in the first century, at the time Jude wrote his epistle. NONE of the biblical writers mentioned any nor made a teaching concerning any of them. Paul didn't. Peter didn't. John didn't. Luke didn't. Jesus didn't. Matthew didn't. John Mark didn't. To me these doctrines are the epitome of BLASPHEMY against the Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ. The true Mary described in Scripture was nothing like this & would have found these false dogmas repugnant. Mary is not the mother of God, she was the mother of Jesus. The Father is God & He doesn't have a mother. The Holy Spirit is God & He doesn't have a mother. Only the human man, Jesus had a mother. The Divine nature of Jesus is from eternity past to eternity future, He also as Deity has no mother, like the other 2 Persons of the Trinity. God never had a mother. That is the invention of the Roman Catholic church. Even the body of Jesus (Heb 10:5; Rom 8:3) that Jesus had was prepared for Him by the Father & the Holy Spirit, not Mary. Mary didn't have any power to prepare a specific body for Jesus. She couldn't even decide his sex at all, being a female. It was an act strictly from God, His miracle. Even the Muslims recognized the Catholic teaching on Mary to make here a god, one of the three in the Trinity! BLASPHEMY! I repeat: NONE of the dogmas concerning Mary were handed down to the saints once for all as Scripture maintains. One of them wasn't even decided UNTIL 1950! Can you imagine the shock to Jesus & to the apostles of these blasphemous DOGMAS totally foreign to Scripture & church history & the original teachings handed down to the saints of God. Luke 11:28,29 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You & blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” But He replied, “Blessed RATHER are those who hear the word of God & obey it.” Jesus did not take away from the testimony that all future generations would call Mary blessed: BECAUSE she gave birth to Jesus, not something within herself that made here any more special than any other believer in Christ. But he QUALIFIED that recognition of blessing, though Mary is blessed to be chosen by God as the one who gave birth to Jesus. Jesus plainly stated: MORE BLESSED than Mary are those who hear the Word of God & obey it. Mk 3:32-35 And a crowd was sitting around Him. “Look,” He was told, “Your mother and brothers are outside, asking for You.” 33But Jesus replied, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” 34Looking at those seated in a circle around Him, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and sister and mother.” Now THAT is the teaching of Jesus Christ in contradiction to the unholy & unauthorized dogma of the Roman Catholic church concerning Mary. Not only once but twice Jesus confirmed the true teaching concerning His earthly mother Mary. She was not anymore blessed ABOVE other members of the body of Christ. She did the will of God & heard the Word of God & obeyed it JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FOLLOWER OF CHRIST! That is what Jesus taught repeatedly; not the false teaching of the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church. Jesus did a similar teaching on John the Baptist. Jesus was being compared to John or just one of the other prophets, rather than recognized for who He truly is: God with us, tabernacling among us as like the Israelites in the wilderness, God manifest in the flesh. Luke 7:27-29 This is the one about whom it is written: ‘Behold, I will send My messenger ahead of You, who will prepare Your way before You.’ 28I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, yet even THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS GREATER THAN HE.” All the people who heard this, even the tax collectors, ACKNOWLEDGED GOD'S JUSTICE. For they had received the baptism of John.
5/30/2017 12:34:15 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	I would like to address all five things Mr. Rhodes says has happened to the Catholic Church. I was raised Protestant (Methodist), and became Catholic at age 18 so I am infinitely familiar with both faiths. 1. "Love of Jesus forsaken." There is far, far more talk of the deep love that Jesus has for us, and that we should have for Him, in the Catholic Church than in Protestant denominations. In the Catholic Church we have the Holy Eucharist, the sacrament of love, Jesus Christ, alive and in person. In the Catholic Church we have devotion to Jesus' Sacred Heart, something I never heard of in Protestantism. In the Methodist denomination I only heard that Jesus was God once! (I think most Methodists believed/believe this, but it is not emphasized.) Why do you think so many generous young Catholics take vows of celibacy to become priests and nuns, if they didn't love Nesus intently? 2. "False teaching tolerated." The Catholic Church has a long history of weeding out heresy. In Protestant denominations, one heard all kinds of strange, man-made opinions passing as doctrine. 3. "Sin tolerated." In the Catholic Church we are taught that only one mortal sin will cause a soul to go to Hell. If a Catholic commits a mortal sin that Catholic must go to Confession before he can again receive Communion. If he received Communion in this state he is guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ (see I Corinthians 11:27). What does Protestantism say about sin? "If anyone should still believe in the stupid ten commandments, let him chase himself to the Jews." --Martin Luther "If you sin, sin boldly, but believe more boldly still." --Martin Luther "If the wife won't let the maid come." --again the great Martin Luther, inventor of Protestantism and destroyer of Christian unity "Once you are saved you want even want to sin any more!" --what Methodist seminarians taught me at summer youth camp 4. "Death is imminent" (apparently Mr. Rhodes thinks the Catholic Church is going to shrivel up and die). The historical reality is that heresies come and go but the Catholic Church lives on. A thousand years from now, if Jesus hasn't returned yet, Protestantism might be something that only graduate students in history ever heard of, but the Catholic Church will still be going strong ("Grandpa, were there once denominations where they once taught once-saved-always-saved?") 5. "Jesus replaced." The central act of worship of the Catholic Church is, always was, and always will be the Mass, where Jesus actual living Body and Blood are offered to the Father, and where the faithful people receive that Body and Blood in Holy Communion. There is no replacing Jesus in the Catholic Church.
5/30/2017 3:47:32 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	You are a very spiritually sick Catholic man, Lud.
5/30/2017 11:21:43 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from brashdoc: I will defend the Trinity & Deity of Christ & the propitiation & salvation found in Christ alone by faith through grace; I will defend the resurrection of the dead & eternal judgment, etc. because these were the teachings passed down from Christ & the apostles--& these are the ones we contend for--'the faith entrusted once for all to the saints.' No, they are not. "trinity," "deity of Christ," "and eternal judgment" are all man-made doctrines formed by the Catholic church. "trinity" and it's development can be traced back to the Ecumenical Councils. Of course, there is no "eternal" judgment. For something to be "eternal", it has to have no beginning. Any judgment that has a beginning must be finite. The Jews were not so arrogant as some Christians today. They would say, "for this age and beyond," and not try to dictate to the Almighty like this guy is trying to do. Perhaps this guy needs to read up on the Catholic doctrines. He might be surprised at just how much of his "Christianity" has Catholic and pagan origins. Quote from ludlowlowell: I would like to address all five things Mr. Rhodes says has happened to the Catholic Church. I was raised Protestant (Methodist), and became Catholic at age 18 so I am infinitely familiar with both faiths. ludlow says he was Methodist but has never really been able to prove it. His knowledge of the Methodist church leaves so much to be desired. I have caught him in so many falsehoods that he tried to tell about being a Methodist. His understanding of the Protestant church is childish and incomplete.
6/13/2017 4:19:01 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
brashdoc Chehalis, WA 64, joined Aug. 2008	bumpety bump
6/13/2017 5:44:05 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Grandpa, do you really mean that people once taught the truth? That salvation was eternal? Yes, they taught from the scriptures instead of from the thoughts of man. But don't worry, God didn't change, the truth is still the truth, and Jesus has still lost none.
6/14/2017 12:10:28 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	More Falsehoods from the Catholic church and ludlow. Quote from ludlowlowell: In the Catholic Church we have the Holy Eucharist, the sacrament of love, Jesus Christ, alive and in person. In the Catholic Church we have devotion to Jesus' Sacred Heart, something I never heard of in Protestantism. Catholics like to attach value to artifacts. This way they do not feel they have to adhere to the instructions in the Bible, specifically the ones Jesus left. Instead of loving Jesus they venerate a wafer, and call it "holy." Instead of following the mandate Jesus left... CLV Jn 13:34 "A new precept am I giving to you, that you be loving one another; according as I love you, that you also be loving one another. They have created an artifact called "the sacred heart" and worshiped it. They have also traded loving Jesus for worshipping Mary, who they call the "mother of God." Quote from ludlowlowell: 2. "False teaching tolerated." The Catholic Church has a long history of weeding out heresy. In Protestant denominations, one heard all kinds of strange, man-made opinions passing as doctrine. First off, the word "heresy" is not something the Bible supports. It is based on man-made opinions. OF course ludlow has a hard time getting specific about this point because the Catholic church is full of man-made doctrines. Some of them are... Mary, the "mother" of God Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope XII. (1950) Euchrist Prayers for the dead The doctrine of purgatory, instituted by Gregory I. (593) Title of "Pope" or "universal bishop" first given to Boniface III. (607) Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the Vatican Council. (1870) Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest. (850) Sale of Indulgences. (1190) Bible forbidden to laymen and placed on Index of Forbidden Books by Council of Valencia. (1229) The doctrine of seven sacraments affirmed. (1439) Tradition declared to be of equal authority with the Bible by Council of Trent. (1545) Public schools condemned by Pope Pius XI. (1930) This list is by no means complete. Quote from ludlowlowell: 3. "Sin tolerated." In the Catholic Church we are taught that only one mortal sin will cause a soul to go to Hell. If a Catholic commits a mortal sin that Catholic must go to Confession before he can again receive Communion. If he received Communion in this state he is guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ (see I Corinthians 11:27). What does Protestantism say about sin? I would note that the Protestant and Catholic position are not quite at loggerheads, as is commonly assumed. The Protestant position concentrates upon what we might term the ontological facet of sin, that sin is inextricably part of human beings. This is in fact also present in the Catholic position, in the idea of "original sin", where it is understood in terms of "natural law", as almost part of the genetic legacy of mankind. In this respect, both agree with Romans 3:23: "...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.". http://www.religioustolerance.org/tony01.htm Only those who want to promote division rather than unity would make a statement as reckless and irresponsible as what ludlow has said here. Generally, the Protestant Church agrees with the Bible. The Catholic church has it's own take on what the Scriptures say. Quote from ludlowlowell: 4. "Death is imminent" (apparently Mr. Rhodes thinks the Catholic Church is going to shrivel up and die). The historical reality is that heresies come and go but the Catholic Church lives on. The Catholic church has no life of it's own. God didn't create the Catholic church, according to the Scriptures. The only life that the Catholic church can dubiously lay claim to is that of it's membership. And of it's members, the Bible tells us... CLV Ro 6:23 For the ration of Sin is death, yet the gracious gift of God is life eonian, in Christ Jesus, our Lord. CLV Ro 5:12 Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and thus death passed through into all mankind, on which all sinned-- CLV Ro 3:23 for all sinned and are wanting of the glory of God. So despite what ludlow tells us, death is indeed imminent. Also, despite what ludlow says, there have been many changes within the Catholic church. This particular Catholic has decided to ignore the Vatican II ecumenical council and the changes it has brought. Quote from ludlowlowell: "Jesus replaced." The central act of worship of the Catholic Church is, always was, and always will be the Mass, where Jesus actual living Body and Blood are offered to the Father, and where the faithful people receive that Body and Blood in Holy Communion. There is no replacing Jesus in the Catholic Church. Worship of Jesus has become little more than lip-service within the Catholic church. This is evident by how quickly Catholic "cross" themselves and say their prayers when they do pray out loud. It would be unfair to point out that there are people within the Catholic church who are sincere Christians. But those that I have known have all abandoned that church in favor of another or no church at all. A common complaint I have heard among Catholics is that they have "shoved religion down my throat since I was a child." This complaint has fallen on deaf ears among the clergy of the Catholic church. ludlow's childish and irresponsible comments is a parrot of the disinformation spread by the Catholic church. Thier lies have no become his lies. And since he was taught to lie so easily, his limited understanding continues to produce half-truths and propaganda. Thank you for your kind indulgence.
6/14/2017 9:17:53 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
a_nubian Columbus, OH 53, joined Jan. 2011	Clarity I listened to Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur. He did an awesome job. Most I have heard. He did a good job regarding Peter for sure not being the head of the church, especially as it relates to Rome. One verse that I would like to add to what John MacArthur was pointing out in Scripture that Peter didn't seem to be present in Rome is this verse; "It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else's foundation." (Rom 15:20 NIV) If Peter had establish a church (i.e. the Catholic Church) in Rome, then Paul would have never gone to Rome to preach the Gospel as he points out in Romans 15:20.
6/15/2017 2:23:16 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008	Romans 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. works oriented salvation is self righteousness..... Romans 10: 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Deuteronomy 30: 8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day. 9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: 10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. 11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
6/15/2017 3:42:24 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
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6/15/2017 4:20:57 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from clarity101: Romans 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. works oriented salvation is self righteousness..... Wow! I was reading The Urantia Book last night on my Kindle and came across this term: works of self righteousness I jotted it down right away. And I thought of Ludlow. 167:5.1 On the way to Judea Jesus was followed by a company of almost fifty of his friends and enemies. At their noon lunchtime, on Wednesday, he talked to his apostles and this group of followers on the “Terms of Salvation,” and at the end of this lesson told the parable of the Pharisee and the publican (a tax collector). Said Jesus: “You see, then, that the Father gives salvation to the children of men, and this salvation is a free gift to all who have the faith to receive sonship in the divine family. There is nothing man can do to earn this salvation. Works of self-righteousness cannot buy the favor of God, and much praying in public will not atone for lack of living faith in the heart. Men you may deceive by your outward service, but God looks into your souls.
6/15/2017 5:51:24 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
clarity101 Aurora, CO 66, joined Oct. 2008
6/17/2017 5:55:10 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
brashdoc Chehalis, WA 64, joined Aug. 2008	Bumpety bump
6/18/2017 10:26:35 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Urantia is not considered Christian by the Christian community. It is considered occult.
6/18/2017 6:40:45 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
_ladybug_ Paragould, AR 66, joined Sep. 2013	The Church of Rome Steps Into Apostasy By: The John Ankerberg Show Excellent article Clarity!!!
6/18/2017 6:46:13 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
_ladybug_ Paragould, AR 66, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from brashdoc: The second video post on the unbiblical dogma of Mary is one of the best debates on clearly seeing an unbiblical doctrine built on pure speculation & assumptions that have no Scriptural basis. One can clearly see that in this debate Mary is made into a god. Who alone is omniscient? God alone. Yet Mary is somehow made omniscient by the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church to be able to know every prayer from millions of people, all at once, & has the omnipotent power to answer millions of prayers, all over the world, at the same time. Only God can do this. Mary is said to forgive sins yet only God alone can forgive sins. BLASPHEMY! I will defend the Trinity & Deity of Christ & the propitiation & salvation found in Christ alone by faith through grace; I will defend the resurrection of the dead & eternal judgment, etc. because these were the teachings passed down from Christ & the apostles--& these are the ones we contend for--'the faith entrusted once for all to the saints.' All those were entrusted to THE SAINTS, not the Roman Catholic church. NONE of the marian dogmas were passed down from Christ or the apostles, NONE of them were 'once for all delivered to the saints' back in the first century, at the time Jude wrote his epistle. NONE of the biblical writers mentioned any nor made a teaching concerning any of them. Paul didn't. Peter didn't. John didn't. Luke didn't. Jesus didn't. Matthew didn't. John Mark didn't. To me these doctrines are the epitome of BLASPHEMY against the Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ. The true Mary described in Scripture was nothing like this & would have found these false dogmas repugnant. Mary is not the mother of God, she was the mother of Jesus. The Father is God & He doesn't have a mother. The Holy Spirit is God & He doesn't have a mother. Only the human man, Jesus had a mother. The Divine nature of Jesus is from eternity past to eternity future, He also as Deity has no mother, like the other 2 Persons of the Trinity. God never had a mother. That is the invention of the Roman Catholic church. Even the body of Jesus (Heb 10:5; Rom 8:3) that Jesus had was prepared for Him by the Father & the Holy Spirit, not Mary. Mary didn't have any power to prepare a specific body for Jesus. She couldn't even decide his sex at all, being a female. It was an act strictly from God, His miracle. Even the Muslims recognized the Catholic teaching on Mary to make here a god, one of the three in the Trinity! BLASPHEMY! I repeat: NONE of the dogmas concerning Mary were handed down to the saints once for all as Scripture maintains. One of them wasn't even decided UNTIL 1950! Can you imagine the shock to Jesus & to the apostles of these blasphemous DOGMAS totally foreign to Scripture & church history & the original teachings handed down to the saints of God. Luke 11:28,29 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You & blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” But He replied, “Blessed RATHER are those who hear the word of God & obey it.” Jesus did not take away from the testimony that all future generations would call Mary blessed: BECAUSE she gave birth to Jesus, not something within herself that made here any more special than any other believer in Christ. But he QUALIFIED that recognition of blessing, though Mary is blessed to be chosen by God as the one who gave birth to Jesus. Jesus plainly stated: MORE BLESSED than Mary are those who hear the Word of God & obey it. Mk 3:32-35 And a crowd was sitting around Him. “Look,” He was told, “Your mother and brothers are outside, asking for You.” 33But Jesus replied, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” 34Looking at those seated in a circle around Him, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and sister and mother.” Now THAT is the teaching of Jesus Christ in contradiction to the unholy & unauthorized dogma of the Roman Catholic church concerning Mary. Not only once but twice Jesus confirmed the true teaching concerning His earthly mother Mary. She was not anymore blessed ABOVE other members of the body of Christ. She did the will of God & heard the Word of God & obeyed it JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FOLLOWER OF CHRIST! That is what Jesus taught repeatedly; not the false teaching of the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church. Jesus did a similar teaching on John the Baptist. Jesus was being compared to John or just one of the other prophets, rather than recognized for who He truly is: God with us, tabernacling among us as like the Israelites in the wilderness, God manifest in the flesh. Luke 7:27-29 This is the one about whom it is written: ‘Behold, I will send My messenger ahead of You, who will prepare Your way before You.’ 28I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, yet even THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS GREATER THAN HE.” All the people who heard this, even the tax collectors, ACKNOWLEDGED GOD'S JUSTICE. For they had received the baptism of John. Another excellent and truthful article!!!
6/18/2017 9:31:37 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Bigd says: "Urantia is not considered Christian by the Christian community. It is considered occult." Where is the headquarters of this monolithic "Christian community" of which you speak? Who is the spokesperson for the Christian community of which you speak? Which of the thousands of different sects in the Christian community speaks for the community? I want to contact them. Give me the URL link or the email address for the Christian community please. We (Urantians) believe in God the Father, the creator of the universe. We believe in Jesus, His Son, and we believe in the Trinity, the Godhead of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, and we believe Jesus is the Savior, and we believe in the crucifixion and the resurrection, and you, like they did to Jesus, are trying to defame us with your "occult" label. Shame on you and your stinking unreadable Concordant Literal Version (CLV) bible cult sect. Who can read this? 1Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth. 2 Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos. Yet the spirit of the Elohim is vibrating over the surface of the water. 3 And saying is the Elohim, "Become light!" And it is becoming light. 4 And seeing is the Elohim the light, that it is good. And separating is the Elohim between the light and the darkness. 5 And calling is the Elohim the light "day, and the darkness He calls "night." And coming is it to be evening and coming to be morning, day one. 6 And saying is the Elohim, "Become shall an atmosphere in the midst of the water, and coming is a separation between water and water. 7 And coming is it to be so. The CLV. What a joke. Your CLV sect is a joke, bigd. No one here takes you seriously. And you don't even believe in the Trinity. Some Christian you are. [Edited 6/18/2017 9:32:15 PM ]
6/18/2017 9:46:08 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Mary? Unbiblical? You guys don't read much Bible, do you?
6/18/2017 9:52:12 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	*Ludlow says" Mary? Unbiblical? You guys don't read much Bible, do you? Jesus calls her "woman" in the bible and says, "Who is my mother."
6/19/2017 8:11:47 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	yawn Quote from followjesusonly: Anyway, we don't claim that our book was authored by God and is thus, infallible, the way you Christians do about yours. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was authored by God... CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was "infallible." These are unfounded claims born of ignorance. Urantia is not considered Christian by the Christian community. It is considered occult. Like I said before, obsessive compulsive.
6/19/2017 3:39:36 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	*bigd says: Like I said before, obsessive compulsive. Where did you say that before, and in what context? I think you're losing it, bigd. You dodge everything and you sprinkle in ad hominem attacks for good measure to try to distract everyone from your dodging. As I said before: The CLV. What a joke. Your CLV sect is a joke, bigd. No one here takes you seriously. And you don't even believe in the Trinity. Some Christian you are. What is it that makes you a Christian, bigd? Do you believe in God the Creator? Do you believe that Jesus is the divine Son of God? Do you believe in the Trinity, the Godhead, of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit? Do you believe Jesus is the Savior? Do you believe in the Crucifixion and the Resurrection? I believe all of those things. Do you? What makes YOU a Christian, bigd? The CLV? Who can read this from the CLV? 1Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth. 2 Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos. Yet the spirit of the Elohim is vibrating over the surface of the water. 3 And saying is the Elohim, "Become light!" And it is becoming light. 4 And seeing is the Elohim the light, that it is good. And separating is the Elohim between the light and the darkness. 5 And calling is the Elohim the light "day, and the darkness He calls "night." And coming is it to be evening and coming to be morning, day one. 6 And saying is the Elohim, "Become shall an atmosphere in the midst of the water, and coming is a separation between water and water. 7 And coming is it to be so.
6/20/2017 8:31:53 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	(knock, knock, knock) Penny, (knock, knock, knock) Penny, (knock, knock, knock) Penny, Obsessive Compulsive.
6/22/2017 2:08:37 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
_ladybug_ Paragould, AR 66, joined Sep. 2013	Another excellent video!! Reveals the truth about many beliefs, practices, doctrines etc. in Catholicism. I must also say, there's some disturbing parts in this video, especially regarding torture and demonstrations of torture and the Holocaust. The Real History of the evil Roman Catholic Church https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LClaSilFlA8
6/22/2017 9:17:57 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: ...I am infinitely familiar with both faiths... ... Had to stop reading at the infinitely familiar comment.
6/22/2017 9:19:26 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Although, I do hope that some Catholics I know are saved.
6/22/2017 2:05:44 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: "...I am infinitely familiar with both faiths..." and Ludlow says: "It's the truth. I've studied this stuff for years."
6/23/2017 4:51:01 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* On another thread, Ludlow inadvertently told the truth when he said: ludlowlowell Yes, all authentic and true believing Catholics have a burning [at the stake] desire to convert all peoples (certainly not against their will) to Christ and Catholicism. Ludlow, if the pope ordered you to burn a heretic at the stake, would you do it? [Edited 6/23/2017 4:52:40 PM ]
6/23/2017 5:38:49 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
6/23/2017 9:25:53 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	You're a very spiritually sick Catholic, man, Lud.
6/24/2017 11:48:35 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
wayn49 Birmingham, AL 55, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. outside of Jesus there is no salvation one point i will make is, whatever church you are going to, it is all because of Jesus because without him no one will be saved
6/24/2017 1:07:14 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. i hope so because inside the catholic church are LIARS, THIEVES, QUEERS, MENTALLY INSANE, CHILD MOLESTERS, and the BROKEBACK THEME TO CLIMBING SOMEONE'S MOUNTAIN you keep them right with you, bud. i prefer being as far from them as possible
6/24/2017 2:22:10 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	There are sinners as well as good people in the Catholic Church. On the Last Day Jesus will separate the wheat from the chaff. There are plenty of liars, thieves, queers, and mentally insane people in the many thousands of Protestant denominations too (many thousand denominations, each one teaching something different than the one down the street). [Edited 6/24/2017 2:24:34 PM ]
6/24/2017 2:38:16 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	you know i have to give you a hard time. i did call you my brother in Christ. you rip on my views and i yours, but in the end we are on the same team of Yahshua the Christ
6/24/2017 3:24:37 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: you know i have to give you a hard time. i did call you my brother in Christ. you rip on my views and i yours, but in the end we are on the same team of Yahshua the Christ You ARE NOT on the same team as Ludlow. Ludlow says YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED unless you are a Catholic. You are NOT "brothers in Christ." Ludlow does not love God enough to obey Him. Ludlow REFUSES to obey God. Jesus says that Ludlow DOES NOT love God. "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) Jesus says to call no man Father, and Ludlow says, up yours, I'm going to do it anyway. Ludlow is a Catholic. His loyalty is to the pope, not God. His church has managed to conflate itself with God in Ludlow's mind. Ludlow would burn you at the stake for being a heretic if the pope told him to do so. Ask him. Ludlow is a wolf in sheep's clothing, not your brother in Christ. Ludlow contradicts God and contends with God. Jesus says: "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6 But Ludlow defies Jesus and says: "I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety." Can you imagine? Jesus says to pray to God the Father and Ludlow contradicts Him and says we should pray to Mary and other dead humans. And you say he's your brother in Christ? He's not. Do you think Mary has anything to do with your salvation? "...devotion to Mary is necessary for salvation." -Ludlow "...devotion to Mary is mandatory..." -Ludlow Ludlow believes his church IS God. That's why he obeys his church and disobeys God. "Jesus IS the Church, and the Church is Jesus. Jesus=Church Church=Jesus Jesus=Church Church=Jesus Jesus=Church Church=Jesus" -quote from Ludlow "OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION." -Ludlow. Unless you are a Catholic, the above statement invalidates everything that you are and everything you believe. Your brother in Christ? Ludlow is a very sick Catholic man in the very sick Catholic religion. Your "brothers in Christ" are those about whom Jesus said: "My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." Luke 8:21 Catholics are not it. Jesus says about them: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) “Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9)
6/24/2017 7:06:03 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The doctrine that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation does not mean that all Catholics are automatically saved, just because they are Catholic. Only the true believing Catholics who love the Lord and keep the commandments will be saved. "Outside Christ there is no salvation" and Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation" is the same thing. The Catholic Church is the mystical body of Christ, and to refuse to join is to refuse to join Christ. But membership (conversion) is only the first step---after that we must walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
6/24/2017 7:11:42 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Christ Himself never preached in a building and travelled spreading the Gospel. I think these big churches are wrong no matter the organization or affiliation because Christ was not in one place and He sent His Disciple's to be evangelists. He never took offerings but gave to those who followed. All of the churches, not just the cathlicks, are not following as Christ and those within scripture are representing.
6/24/2017 7:13:18 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
gdaddy47 Columbia, TN 69, joined Sep. 2009	Can't answer that question. I ain't GOD. Now maybe the live and die on one verse in the KJV legalistic folk can.
6/24/2017 7:33:38 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: Christ Himself never preached in a building and travelled spreading the Gospel. I think these big churches are wrong no matter the organization or affiliation because Christ was not in one place and He sent His Disciple's to be evangelists. He never took offerings but gave to those who followed. All of the churches, not just the cathlicks, are not following as Christ and those within scripture are representing. Jesus most certainly did sometimes preach in buildings. According to scripture He and the apostles went to synagogues all the time. In one instance, Jesus read a passage from Isaiah concerning the Messiah, then proclaimed that He was the One Isaiah was prophesying about. And Jesus preached, or at least lectured, in the Upper Room at the Last Supper (indoors).
6/24/2017 8:44:37 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: Christ Himself never preached in a building No offense but that's not correct.
6/24/2017 8:55:42 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Bad choice of wording on my point i mean Christ did not make it an example to congregate even though the masses followed Him. I mean He was not set up like churches are set up. And He did not direct or instruct we have to have a church since the church is the believers in Christ. The buildings set up were religious buildings following Moses and his misunderstanding of the direction of God.
6/24/2017 9:50:20 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Agreed
6/24/2017 11:33:02 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus did set up a Church. He told Peter "Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church". He also commanded that He be worshipped by consecrating bread and wine and giving the above to the people in Holy Communion. Now this can be done outdoors, and it sometimes is, but that depends on good weather. It makes practical sense to build a building for this purpose, so this can be done rain or shine, in 80 or 8 degrees. So yes, for all practical purposes, Jesus commanded that churches be built.
6/25/2017 12:48:40 AM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: Jesus did set up a Church. He told Peter "Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church". and yet Peter, like the other Disciples were evangelists and [did not] set up a church since they (understood) they were the church like all believers. He also commanded that He be worshipped by consecrating bread and wine and giving the above to the people in Holy Communion. He said to REMEMBER HIM and this can be done in the privacy of your own home. Now this can be done outdoors, and it sometimes is, but that depends on good weather. it can be done alone in your own home. nowhere did Christ explain it cannot be done alone in [remembering Him]. It makes practical sense to build a building for this purpose, so this can be done rain or shine, in 80 or 8 degrees. it only makes sense to you because you are blinded by the cathlick lies. So yes, for all practical purposes, Jesus commanded that churches be built. not even close, but keep that pair of rose colored glasses you got on [Edited 6/25/2017 12:49:15 AM ]
6/25/2017 5:34:15 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Unless a priest is present to consecrate the bread and wine, worshipping God the way He commanded cannot be done at home. But yes, prayers can and should be made at home. "Neglect not the assembly." --Hebrews 10:25 [Edited 6/25/2017 5:35:24 PM ]
6/25/2017 7:35:35 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	why would I want a conman to bless what resembles the body and blood of Yahshua? I assemble with others on certain events but I do not have to worship with them under a ministry I do not feel Yah in. and the [reason] for assembling is to uplift others, not specifically for you to be there. 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. commands to begin uplifting those you will meet: even the day before actually meeting them in person to uplift them. [Edited 6/25/2017 7:36:25 PM ]
6/25/2017 8:19:17 PM	Are Catholics Saved? - John MacArthur
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Unless we eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood, we do not have life in us. Only a validly ordained priest has the supernatural power to change bread and wine into Jesus' Body and Blood. Therefore, attendance at Catholic Mass is necessary for salvation.

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