| 6/9/2017 7:35:20 PM |
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a_nubian
Columbus, OH
53, joined Jan. 2011
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I just came across this today.
When 22 people died outside a concert hall in Manchester, England, the media coverage was wall to wall. The cry went up that something must be done! Journalists followed the investigation. Press briefings were scheduled regularly. With broken hearts, we pored over color photographs of the victims, many of them only children, and we listened to bystanders describe their horror. The world grieved as the story unfolded for a week.
Five days later, 29 Christians in Egypt died when terrorists attacked their bus. Forty-two others were seriously injured and the assassins got away. That story vanished in less than 48 hours. No color photos. No interviews with authorities. No tragic details.
Here’s what you probably never heard. The Christian group of parents, grandparents, and children were traveling in two buses to pray at a monastery. Their vehicles were stopped by terrorists outside the town of Minya. After the buses were surrounded by killers, passengers on one of the buses were forced to exit the bus one by one. As each reached the door to face masked gunmen, they were asked, “Are you Muslim?” None of them were. Each was then given a chance to renounce Jesus Christ and convert to Islam.
As each passenger confessed Christ and refused to convert, he was dragged a few feet away to be killed by either a shot in the head or a slit throat. One at a time, nineteen adults, and ten children were ordered to become Muslims or die. One by one they were instantly murdered. The criminals then fired on the group in the second bus, injuring 42, before speeding away to safety.
Why are tragedies like the one in Manchester more interesting or important than massacres like the one in Minya, Egypt? I suppose it could be racism. Or maybe we only care about tragedies that involve celebrities and beautiful people. But I seriously believe two reasons are more likely.
The media run away from Christian martyrs because they are a powerful witness to the Christian faith. When random concert-goers fall prey to terror, in the wrong place at the wrong time, it makes the rest of us feel sad but lucky. But when Christians die because they refuse to renounce their faith, it speaks to the power and the freedom ordinary people discover in Christ. No sane person willingly dies for something he knows is a lie. Historically, seeing the deaths of Christian martyrs has inspired others to follow the Savior as well. The secular media wants no part of anything like that! So a vague headline about people dying in a bus attack manages to cover the bad news without accentuating the Good News.
Christians in America turn their backs as well because stories about martyrs in other lands reflect poorly on the quality our faith here in the West. In persecution lands, believers risk their lives and the safety of their children to attend worship services and even public prayer times. They worship Christ in the open, fully aware that churches and Christian gatherings are soft targets. But in the Land of the Free, we casually skip worship on Sundays to take our kids to soccer practice or recover from a mild headache. Just imagine, if youth sports leagues existed in Minya, Egypt, those unfortunate children could have saved their lives by skipping church and going to play soccer instead!
In America, churches report that “regular worship attendance” is now defined as twice a month. Think about it: when worshipers in Egypt and China become as committed to Christ as we are, the rate of martyrdom could be slashed by half!
The most difficult question facing the American church today is not “Why do bad things happen to good people?” We already know the answer to that question: character, faith and the purposes of God. The harder question is this one: What is a Christian, anyway?
Jesus said no one can come after him without first being willing to deny self, pick up a cross, and follow. In the religious ghetto of American life, that particular Bible verse is just about as welcome as stories of Egyptian children who are willing to die violently before disappointing Jesus.
To hear the companion message, click Waging Peace
Note: I will provide the source but the first image on the sight is graphic.
https://t2gospel.wordpress.com/2017/06/02/im-afraid-to-look/
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| 6/9/2017 8:49:54 PM |
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pmg920
Hermitage, PA
52, joined Oct. 2013
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Very good point. I read what had happened in Egypt and was hardly any coverage of the story at all. I can only pray for the persecuted church in countries like Egypt, China, and other places throughout the world. Many Christians in America complain about trivial things compared to tragedies like these.
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| 6/9/2017 8:53:02 PM |
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a_nubian
Columbus, OH
53, joined Jan. 2011
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Very good point. I read what had happened in Egypt and was hardly any coverage of the story at all. I can only pray for the persecuted church in countries like Egypt, China, and other places throughout the world. Many Christians in America complain about trivial things compared to tragedies like these.
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| 6/10/2017 12:47:02 AM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
64, joined Feb. 2008
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They will have martyrs' crowns in Heaven.
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| 6/10/2017 2:05:28 AM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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*
Ludlow says:
"They will have martyrs' crowns in Heaven."
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A "martyr's crown" and $3 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
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| 6/10/2017 7:53:10 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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FJO's comeback quips are stale like the taste of a cup of cold, day old latte.
Share, KB, big -- pathetic that such a group of so-called 'believers' hide like Judas's behind a self-imposed hangman's noose, denying the faith even as the c*ck crows thrice.
Lud, the only thing you know for a certainity about God's kingdom is what is revealed by the word of God. You are not God, Lud.
No human being on this earth has the authority to design a criteria to determine sainthood of another human being, nor the authority to declare which earthly sinner shall be called up into God's kingdom.
Heaven is the Kingdom of God, not of humankind, lest one forget whom is Almighty. 
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| 6/10/2017 7:53:37 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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Praise God
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| 6/10/2017 8:20:27 AM |
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a_nubian
Columbus, OH
53, joined Jan. 2011
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They will have martyrs' crowns in Heaven.
I do believe they will be recognize some how for they, loved not their lives unto the death.
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| 6/10/2017 10:00:33 AM |
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bigd9832
Chicago, IL
64, joined Oct. 2007
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They will have martyrs' crowns in Heaven.
These are not "crowns" but "wreaths."
CLV 2Ti 4:8 Furthermore, there is reserved for me the wreath of righteousness, which the Lord, the just Judge, will be paying to me in that day; yet not to me only, but also to all who love His advent.
CLV 1C 9:25 Now every contender is controlling himself in all things; they, indeed, then, that they may be obtaining a corruptible wreath, yet we an incorruptible.
CLV Re 2:10 Fear nothing that you are about to be suffering. Lo! the Adversary is about to be casting some out of you into jail that you may be tried, and you will be having affliction ten days. Become faithful until death, and I shall be giving you the wreath of life.
CLV 1Th 2:19 For who is our expectation, or joy, or wreath of glorying? Or is it not even you, in front of our Lord Jesus, in His presence?
CLV 1Pt 5:4 and, when the Chief Shepherd is manifested, you shall be requited with an unfading wreath of glory.
_____Strong's_____
G4735 stephanos stef'-an-os
from an apparently primary stepho (to twine or wreathe);
a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, G1238), literally or figuratively.
A crown implies there will be ruling abilites. These are not kindgoms He is giving away. But rather prizes, somewhat like an olympic wreath.
CLV 1Cor 9:24 Are you not aware that those racing in a stadium are, indeed, all racing, yet one is obtaining the prize? Thus be racing that you may be grasping it.
CLV Heb 12:1 Surely, in consequence, then, we also, having so vast a cloud of witnesses encompassing us, putting off every impediment and the popular sin, may be racing with endurance the contest lying before us,
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| 6/10/2017 10:15:12 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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Thank you, Nubian, for your personal opinion.
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| 6/10/2017 10:43:34 AM |
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a_nubian
Columbus, OH
53, joined Jan. 2011
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Thank you, Nubian, for your personal opinion.
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| 6/10/2017 2:46:18 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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| 6/11/2017 1:30:57 AM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
74, joined May. 2012
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*cup said:
FJO's comeback quips are stale like the taste of a cup of cold, day old latte.
Sorry, cup. I was just trying to highlight Ludlow's false piousness about things he knows nothing about.
Heaven is the Kingdom of God...
"The Kingdom of God is the Catholic Church." -Ludlow
"I will forever be dependent on the Church my mother." -Ludlow
"If I [ever did have sex with a woman,] I went to Confession and God forgave me." -Ludlow
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| 6/12/2017 4:12:13 AM |
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share_n_love
Fort Wayne, IN
61, joined Dec. 2012
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YHVH God didn't forget them...
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| 6/16/2017 2:29:11 AM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
46, joined Jul. 2014
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When 22 people died outside a concert hall in Manchester, England, the media coverage was wall to wall. The cry went up that something must be done! Journalists followed the investigation. Press briefings were scheduled regularly. With broken hearts, we pored over color photographs of the victims, many of them only children, and we listened to bystanders describe their horror. The world grieved as the story unfolded for a week.
Five days later, 29 Christians in Egypt died when terrorists attacked their bus. Forty-two others were seriously injured and the assassins got away. That story vanished in less than 48 hours. No color photos. No interviews with authorities.
According to the Dake's Bible in Daniel 11, it speaks about Syria going to war and defeating Egypt before the antichrist is revealed.
your mentioning of:
[Five days later, 29 Christians in Egypt died when terrorists attacked their bus. Forty-two others were seriously injured and the assassins got away. That story vanished in less than 48 hours. No color photos. No interviews with authorities.]...brings light to what Dake was thinking in chapter 11.
a month ago or 2 I posted Israel was reporting how close to Syria and Egypt were to going to war.
if the ISIS [basically Syria] whom attacked Egypt, [we] are on the verge of what appears to be (PRE) to Mid Tribulation.
Israel has petitioned the U.N. now 3 times to begin construction for their temple [which Daniels speaks of the antichrist offering foul sacrifice and the Jews will know he was not the Messiah, but the antichrist].
also, to go along with more of this theme. the Jews [whom are forbidden due to a curse taught within the Talmud to never speak about the Messiah] believe he makes his appearance at the 6,000 year mark from Adam. even more interesting, was the scribe time and book keeper had thought we were another 155 years or something close from being at the 6,000 year mark. but some discovery brought 143 years or something that equals to missing time the Jews had not put together due to their lineage records [old testament]. anyways, they concluded that it could be [less than] 10 years from the 6,000 mark.
if the 70th week (years) in Daniel from 1948 [Israel recognized as a legal state], and Syria is now attacking Egyptians [particularly the Christians], and Daniel 11 is specific about the antichrist from [Syria] attacking Egypt and defeating Egypt before revealing himself as the Messiah...WE are in the 70th week/year in 2017 and as close as the 6,000 mark is in Jewish history is...WE BETTER KEEP OUR OIL LAMPS READY AND WICKS TRIMMED
[Edited 6/16/2017 2:32:16 AM ]
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| 6/16/2017 6:30:23 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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brings light to what Dake was thinking in chapter 11.
Iam, though you may like to say you do, and hope readers believe what you post, you have no way of knowing what anyone THINKS -- let alone Dake.
'muff said
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| 6/16/2017 5:13:59 PM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
46, joined Jul. 2014
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brings light to what Dake was thinking in chapter 11.
Iam, though you may like to say you do, and hope readers believe what you post, you have no way of knowing what anyone THINKS -- let alone Dake.
'muff said
I have a bible that has his name on the [cover] of it and each scripture has important words with a number or letter for better explanation. I am quoting Dake from the Bible Dake put together and sold on the markets to which my parents bought one for me at my graduation
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| 6/16/2017 5:32:23 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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I have a bible that has his name on the [cover] of it and each scripture has important words with a number or letter for better explanation. I am quoting Dake from the Bible Dake put together and sold on the markets to which my parents bought one for me at my graduation
Seminary graduation?
Wasn't Dake an Assembly of God Pentacostal who was a convicted felon? Later went the Church of God before becoming non-denominational?
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| 6/16/2017 5:56:41 PM |
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iam_resurrected
Reno, NV
46, joined Jul. 2014
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Seminary graduation?
Wasn't Dake an Assembly of God Pentacostal who was a convicted felon? Later went the Church of God before becoming non-denominational?
I have no idea who Dake was/is other than he manufactured a bible. indeed, as a believer in the "Oneness" it was a nice view to his opinion towards the trinity. but as I indicated what his comments were about Daniel only reflects another point of view to read. I obviously do not agree with Dake on some things but he ultimately was and is a brother in Christ!!
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| 6/21/2017 6:32:13 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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| 7/12/2017 8:22:38 PM |
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isna_la_wica
Brantford, ON
63, joined Mar. 2012
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Thanks Nubian for bringing attention to their plight. Many have been executed by ISIS as they retreat fr9m Mosul just this week.
I am glad to see some still care.
Outstanding Sir.
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| 7/12/2017 9:28:38 PM |
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a_nubian
Columbus, OH
53, joined Jan. 2011
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Thanks Nubian for bringing attention to their plight. Many have been executed by ISIS as they retreat fr9m Mosul just this week.
I am glad to see some still care.
Outstanding Sir.
Thank you Isna 
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| 7/27/2017 7:43:25 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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