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6/10/2017 8:43:10 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

mudclean
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...or BBBC.

According to Bernie if you are a Christian who actually believes that rejecting Jesus and following the false god allah will lead to condemnation then you are "not someone this country is supposed to be about."

So, exactly what are the correct answers to Bernie's ollegal and unconstitutional religious test? Should we just put a sign on the U.S. Congress that says "Christians Not Allowed!"?

See the exchange below:


Sanders: Let me get to this issue that has bothered me and bothered many other people. And that is in the piece that I referred to that you wrote for the publication called Resurgent. You wrote, “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned.” Do you believe that that statement is Islamophobic?

Vought: Absolutely not, Senator. I’m a Christian, and I believe in a Christian set of principles based on my faith. That post, as I stated in the questionnaire to this committee, was to defend my alma mater, Wheaton College, a Christian school that has a statement of faith that includes the centrality of Jesus Christ for salvation, and . . .

Sanders: I apologize. Forgive me, we just don’t have a lot of time. Do you believe people in the Muslim religion stand condemned? Is that your view?

Vought: Again, Senator, I’m a Christian, and I wrote that piece in accordance with the statement of faith at Wheaton College:

Sanders: I understand that. I don’t know how many Muslims there are in America. Maybe a couple million. Are you suggesting that all those people stand condemned? What about Jews? Do they stand condemned too?

Vought: Senator, I’m a Christian . . .

Sanders (shouting): I understand you are a Christian, but this country are made of people who are not just — I understand that Christianity is the majority religion, but there are other people of different religions in this country and around the world. In your judgment, do you think that people who are not Christians are going to be condemned?

Vought: Thank you for probing on that question. As a Christian, I believe that all individuals are made in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect regardless of their religious beliefs. I believe that as a Christian that’s how I should treat all individuals . . .

Sanders: You think your statement that you put into that publication, they do not know God because they rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned, do you think that’s respectful of other religions?

Vought: Senator, I wrote a post based on being a Christian and attending a Christian school that has a statement of faith that speaks clearly in regard to the centrality of Jesus Christ in salvation.

Sanders: I would simply say, Mr. Chairman, that this nominee is really not someone who this country is supposed to be about.



[Edited 6/10/2017 8:43:41 AM ]

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6/10/2017 8:52:14 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Liberals, the tolerant ones.

6/10/2017 8:55:52 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  
sdgncalix3
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The guy failed to answer his question.

Basically, do you believe Christianity is the only way to God?

6/10/2017 9:08:20 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

duchessa
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All of you forgot one " small" detail:

God doesn't exist.

6/10/2017 9:26:11 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

amadaea
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Quote from sdgncalix3:
The guy failed to answer his question.

Basically, do you believe Christianity is the only way to God?

Yes. According to the teaching Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation for one's soul.
But Christianity doesn't tell Christians to stone those who do not believe in Jesus Christ. It also doesn't give Christians the right to tax non-Christians for not following the religion. Unlike Islam. Djiziya is a tax a non-Muslim has to pay for himself and everyone in his family to avoid execution.

Find a religion that accepts other religions as true ones.
I'm willing to bet money you won't.

Religion is a human made institution. Faith is God given one.

6/10/2017 11:12:44 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Did anyone actually read what happened? Not JUST the biased reports?

Suffice it to say, most of the headlines I've seen so far are functional lies. Especially the one used as a title for this thread.

Sanders DID NOT bash anyone for being Christian. He did NOT say that he opposed Christianity. He DID NOT say that no Christian could qualify for office.

What he did, was he found PUBLISHED STATEMENTS by this particular guy, in which he declared that as far as he was concerned,anyone who failed to take Jesus as their personal savior was damned to Hell. Sanders repeatedly asked the guy to specify how far that belief went, whether it would affect how he conducted himself in office, and whether he would represent the law of the land, or his personal interpretation of God's will, and the guy kept avoiding answering.

This thread is functional Fake News.

6/10/2017 11:42:53 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Quote from sdgncalix3:
The guy failed to answer his question.

Basically, do you believe Christianity is the only way to God?


He did not fail to answer , he did answer, but it wasn't articulated in the manner that Bernie wanted.

Plain and simple.

Bernie was trying to lay a snare and the gentleman wasn't going to get caught in it, rightly so.

Bernie clearly had ulterior motives concerning the presentation of his question.



[Edited 6/10/2017 11:43:25 AM ]

6/10/2017 11:59:51 AM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Quote from blake6972:
He did not fail to answer , he did answer, but it wasn't articulated in the manner that Bernie wanted.

Plain and simple.

Bernie was trying to lay a snare and the gentleman wasn't going to get caught in it, rightly so.

Bernie clearly had ulterior motives concerning the presentation of his question.


No, he didn't answer. He deflected. Over and over again. Saying "I am a Christian" when someone asks you if YOU think certain people are doomed to hell, isn't an answer. It's the avoidance of an answer.

I'm not saying Sanders handled the situation in the best way, I would have done things entirely differently. But the claim that Sanders attacked the guy for being a Christian, is again, absolutely false.

6/10/2017 12:02:47 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  
sdgncalix3
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Quote from blake6972:
He did not fail to answer , he did answer, but it wasn't articulated in the manner that Bernie wanted.

Plain and simple.

Bernie was trying to lay a snare and the gentleman wasn't going to get caught in it, rightly so.

Bernie clearly had ulterior motives concerning the presentation of his question.



Yes. He gave some bullshit answer.

It really didn't answer his question


Is Christianity the only way to God?


Yes or No?



[Edited 6/10/2017 12:03:19 PM ]

6/10/2017 12:25:32 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Quote from testsignup:
No, he didn't answer. He deflected. Over and over again. Saying "I am a Christian" when someone asks you if YOU think certain people are doomed to hell, isn't an answer. It's the avoidance of an answer.

I'm not saying Sanders handled the situation in the best way, I would have done things entirely differently. But the claim that Sanders attacked the guy for being a Christian, is again, absolutely false.


Bernie didn't ask a question saying , "do you think certain people who reject Jesus Christ are doomed to hell", Bernie didn't present his question in that manner.

Bernie was fishing and didn't get the bite that he wanted.
His demeanor proved that.

The guy answered his question.
He did not deflect. Bernie didn't hear what he wanted to hear.

Bernie is not of sound mind.
Maybe we should talk about some of his morbid writings concerning women and rape.

He has no credibility. Why anyone in their right mind would even entertain him is mind boggling.



[Edited 6/10/2017 12:26:15 PM ]

6/10/2017 12:59:57 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Bottom line: J()()'s hate WASPS.

2nd bottom line: 90-95% of J()()'s are Godless marxists who pretend to be "Gods Chosen People".

They're not the Israelites of the Bible. They're not the Hebrews we see in the movie "The 10 Commandments".

That's just one of their many scams.

Everyone should read The Invention of the J()()ish People Paperback – June 14, 2010
by Shlomo Sand (Author), Yael Lotan (Translator)



A historical tour de force, The Invention of the J()()ish People offers a groundbreaking account of J()()ish and Israeli history. Exploding the myth that there was a forced J()()ish exile in the first century at the hands of the Romans, Israeli historian Shlomo Sand argues that most modern J()()s descend from converts, whose native lands were scattered across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

In this iconoclastic work, which spent nineteen weeks on the Israeli bestseller list and won the coveted Aujourd’hui Award in France, Sand provides the intellectual foundations for a new vision of Israel’s future.

https://www.amazon.com/Invention-J()()ish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234

The book can also be downloaded for free online.

The reviews of the book at the above amazon link should also be checked out.

6/10/2017 1:28:10 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  
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There's more to this story than meets the eye if a Huff Post report I read is accurate. Voight made his bigoted statement that “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology, they do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned” in support of the firing and later dismissal of a Professor employed by Wheaton College for wearing a hijab as a gesture of solidarity with Muslims and affirming his opinion that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

Bernie's probing was, in the Huff Post author's view, correctly highlighting a potential conflict of interest in this Voight person assuming a position in public office presiding over a mixed religious (and non-religious) community where his exclusionary fundamentalist Christianity and anti-Islamism might affect the decisions associated with this office.

That's how I read it anyway. There's obviously nothing wrong with someone being a snivelling Christian (or Muslim) fundamentalist religious bigot privately in their own homes when in a position of employment where their work related decisions don't affect anyone else.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sanders-is-right-russell-voughts-nomination-should_us_593af9d0e4b014ae8c69e030



[Edited 6/10/2017 1:31:19 PM ]

6/10/2017 1:37:40 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  
lordclarence
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Correction - I wrote "Voight" instead of "Vought". Shame on the "Now you see it, now you don't" porn posters that caused DH management to curtail the edit time.

6/10/2017 2:02:33 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  
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Quote from amadaea:
Yes. According to the teaching Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation for one's soul. .


Fuuuuuck youuuuu! This shows a pitiful ignorance of what Jesus taught. I don't care if you're religious or not but at least stop making a disgrace of yourself by trying to compete in "the most cognitively dissonant brain" contest with trump.

6/10/2017 2:06:54 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Quote from amadaea:
Yes. According to the teaching Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation for one's soul.
But Christianity doesn't tell Christians to stone those who do not believe in Jesus Christ. It also doesn't give Christians the right to tax non-Christians for not following the religion. Unlike Islam. Djiziya is a tax a non-Muslim has to pay for himself and everyone in his family to avoid execution.

Find a religion that accepts other religions as true ones.
I'm willing to bet money you won't.

Religion is a human made institution. Faith is God given one.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Islam doesn't tell Arabs to stone those who do not believe in Jesus Christ and/or Allah.

Zionist propaganda would have people believe they do, however.

I see you pushing several Zio myth's in your post. I'll presume you just drank the Zio koolaid. Instead of just being evil.

Some Dumb “Goys” and Al Durah: Insights into the minds of ...
www.theaugeanstables.com/2010/07/04/some-dumb-goys-and...
The first in line the Imam with his demand for djiziya and behind him the BBC thug for the TV license fee. Reply. incognito says: July 5, 2010 at 5:56 pm.

Jizya, eh?

Lets make a REALLY big thing about surah 9:29 ... BOO HOO!


Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

https://quran.com/9/29

OMG! That sounds TERRIBLE... much, much worse than the J()()ish Talmud commanding J()()'s to EXTERMINATE Christians, amirite?

Oh wait ...

Qur’an 9:29 Commentary

9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Some people have falsely concluded from verse 9:29, that Muslims are commanded to attack all non-Muslims until they pay money. In fact, such an interpretation is completely false and contradicts authentic Islamic teachings. Commenting on this verse, Shaykh Jalal Abualrub writes:

These Ayat (Quranic verses) stress the necessity of fighting against the People of the Scripture, but under what conditions? We previously established the fact that the Islamic State is not permitted to attack non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam, who do not oppress Muslims, or try to convert Muslims by force from their religion, or expel them from their lands, or wage war against them, or prepare for attacks against them. If any of these offenses occurs, however, Muslims are permitted to defend themselves and protect their religion. Muslims are not permitted to attack non-Muslims who signed peace pacts with them, or non-Muslims who live under the protection of the Islamic State. (Abualrub, Holy Wars, Crusades, Jihad)

Likewise, the following fatwa points out that Muslims cannot attack a peaceful non-Muslim country:
Question: Is it an obligation of an Islamic state to attack the neighboring non-Muslim states and collect ‘jizya’ from them? Do we see this in the example of the rightly guided Caliphs who fought against the Roman and Persian Empires without any aggression initiating from them?

Answered by Sheikh Hânî al-Jubayr, judge at the Jeddah Supreme Court

If the non-Muslim country did not attack the Muslim one nor mobilize itself to prevent the practice and spread of Islam, nor transgress against mosques, nor work to oppress the Muslim people in their right to profess their faith and decry unbelief, then it is not for the Muslim country to attack that country. Jihâd of a military nature was only permitted to help Muslims defend their religion and remove oppression from the people.

The Persians and Romans did in fact aggress against Islam and attack the Muslims first.

The Chosroe of Persia had gone so far as to order his commander in Yemen specifically to kill the Prophet (peace be upon him). The Romans mobilized their forces to fight the Prophet (peace be upon him), and the Muslims confronted them in the Battles of Mu’tah and Tabûk during the Prophet’s lifetime.

May Allah guide us all. And May peace and blessing be upon our Prophet Muhammad. (SOURCE, emphasis added)

6/10/2017 2:07:08 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

longbobby
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The above fatwa refers to the historical context in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought against other nations. The Prophet Muhammad did not initiate agression against anyone, rather he and his followers were under attack from all who sought to crush the new Islamic state. The first hostilities between the Muslims and the Roman empire began when the Prophet Muhammad’s messenger to the Ghassan tribe (a governate of the Roman empire), Al-Harith bin Umayr Al-Azdi, was tied up and beheaded (Al-Mubarakpuri, Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum, p. 383). The killing of a diplomat was an open act of war, and the Prophet Muhammad sent an armed force to confront the tribe, but the Roman empire brought in reinforcements and the resulting conflict, known as the Battle of Mut’ah, was a defeat for the Muslims. Only after this did subsequent battles between the Muslims and the Roman Empire occur, and the Muslims emerged victorious. Likewise, as mentioned in the above fatwa, hostiltiies between the Muslims and the Persians only began after the Persian emperor Chosroe ordered his governor in Yemen Badham, to kill the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, although his efforts were thwarted when the latter accepted Islam. Other non-muslim groups, such as those in Madinah, also initiated hostilities against the Muslims despite peace treaties as Shaykh Sayyid Sabiq writes:

As for fighting the Jews (People of the Scripture), they had conducted a peace pact with the Messenger after he migrated to Madinah. Soon afterwards, they betrayed the peace pact and joined forces with the pagans and the hypocrites against Muslims. They also fought against Muslims during the Battle of A`hzab , then Allah revealed…[and he cites verse 9:29] (Sayyid Sabiq, Fiqhu as-Sunnah, Vol. 3, p. 80)

In light of the historical context of this verse, it becomes very clear that the verse was revealed in connection with agression initiated against Muslims. As Dr. Jamal Badawi very accurately concludes with regard to verse 9:29 and similar verses:

All of these verses, without exception, if studied carefully, address aggression and oppression committed against Muslims at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), whether by idolatrous Arabs, some of the Jewish tribes in Madinah, or by some Christians. (SOURCE)

Therefore, the command to fight in verse 9:29 relates to those non-muslims who commit agression and not those who are committed to live in peace. The verse is subject to certain conditions that were apparent when it was implemented in the time of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, as Shaykh Sayyid Sabiq writes:

What we have stated makes it clear that Islam did not allow the initiating of hostilities, except to: 1. repel aggression; 2. protect Islamic propagation; 3. deter Fitnah and oppression and ensure freedom of religion. In such cases, fighting becomes a necessity of the religion and one of its sacred ordainments. It is then called, ‘Jihad’. (Sayyid Sabiq, Fiqhu as-Sunnah, Vol. 3, p. 81)

The verse then proceeds to mention some issues relating to the Islamic state, and governing non-muslim citizens of the Islamic state. Dr. Maher Hathout comments on the regulations in verse 9:29:

Freedom of religion is an essential aspect in an Islamic state. One of the five pillars of Islam is zakat (almsgiving). The People of the Book (Christians and Jews) are not obliged to pay the Islamic zakat that is spent by the state for social necessities and state affairs as defined in the Quran (see 9:60). But they must pay other taxes to share in the state budget. If they refuse to pay this tax to the state and rebel against the state, then it is the obligation of the state to confront them until they pay it. This is what Caliph Abu Bakr did after the death of the Prophet, when some people refused to pay zakat. (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, p.53)

The verse mentions Jizya, which is unfortunately misunderstood by some people. Like any nation, the Islamic government requires its citizens to pay taxes in return for its services. Since Muslims pay the Zakat, the non-muslim citizens are required to pay Jizya (for more information on Jizya, please refer to Jizya in Islam and Jizyah and non-muslim minorities). Dr. Monqiz As-Saqqar writes concerning the Jizya tax:

The sum of jizya was never large to the extent that the men were unable to pay. Rather, it was always available and reasonable. During the reign of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, jizya never exceeded one dinar annually and it never exceeded four dinars under the Umayyad rule. (SOURCE)

Shaykh Abu’l-Hasan Al-Mawardi (d. 1058CE) explicitly points out that the Jizya should be exacted in accordance with the means of the people, and the Imam should judge the conclude the amount to the satisfaction of the leaders of those being taxed:

The fuqaha (Jurists) differ as to the amount of the Jizya. Abu Hanifa considers that those subject to this tax are of three kinds: the rich from whom forty-eight dirhams are taken; those of average means from whom twenty four are taken, and the poor from whom twelve dirhams are taken: he thus stipulated the minimum and maximum amounts and prohibits any further judgement on behalf of those responsible for its collection. Malik, however, does not fix its minimum and maximum amount and considers that those responsible should make their own judgement as to the minimum and maximum. Ash-Shafi’i considers that the minimum is a dinar, and that it is not permitted to go below this while he does not stipulate the maximum, the latter being dependant on the ijtihad (judgement) of those responsible: the Imam, however, should try to harmonise between the different amounts, or to exact an amount in accordance with people’s means. If he has used his judgement to conclude the contract od jizyah to the satisfaction of the leaders of the people being taxed, then it becomes binding on all of them and their descendants, generation after generation, and a leader may not afterwards change this amunt, be it to decrease it or increase it. (Al-Mawardi, al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah, Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd. 1996, pp. 209-210)

Hence, the laws of Islam forbid Muslims from opressing non-muslims and command them to treat others with justice and compassion. In fact, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh himself forbade Muslims from harming non-muslim citizens of an islamic state or any non-muslim with whom there was an agreement of peace, as he said,
“The one who wrongs a covenanter or impairs his right or overworks him or forcibly takes something from him, I will be his prosecutor on the Day of Judgment. (Sunan Abi Dawud 170/3 no. 3052, Sunan an-Nasa’i 25/8 no. 2749, and verified by Al-Albani no. 2626).

In conclusion, verse 9:29 commands Muslims to fight against only those who initiate agression as illustated by its historical context. Muslims may only fight under strict conditions, and are commanded to live peacefully with peaceful non-muslim neighbors.

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_929_commentary/

OMG! The Quran suggests Muslims fight in self defense against those who attack THEM!

That's TERRORISM! They're NOT allowed to defend themselves and fight back ... ESPECIALLY against Zionists, amirite again?


6/10/2017 2:08:30 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

longbobby
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Quote from amadaea:
Yes. According to the teaching Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation for one's soul.
But Christianity doesn't tell Christians to stone those who do not believe in Jesus Christ. It also doesn't give Christians the right to tax non-Christians for not following the religion. Unlike Islam. Djiziya is a tax a non-Muslim has to pay for himself and everyone in his family to avoid execution.

Find a religion that accepts other religions as true ones.
I'm willing to bet money you won't.

Religion is a human made institution. Faith is God given one.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Islam doesn't tell Arabs to stone those who do not believe in Jesus Christ and/or Allah.

Zionist propaganda would have people believe they do, however.

I see you pushing several Zio myth's in your post. I'll presume you just drank the Zio koolaid. Instead of just being evil.

Some Dumb “Goys” and Al Durah: Insights into the minds of ...
www.theaugeanstables.com/2010/07/04/some-dumb-goys-and...
The first in line the Imam with his demand for djiziya and behind him the BBC thug for the TV license fee. Reply. incognito says: July 5, 2010 at 5:56 pm.

Jizya, eh?

Lets make a REALLY big thing about surah 9:29 ... BOO HOO!


Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

https://quran.com/9/29

OMG! That sounds TERRIBLE... much, much worse than the J()()ish Talmud commanding J()()'s to EXTERMINATE Christians, amirite?

Oh wait ...

Qur’an 9:29 Commentary

9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Some people have falsely concluded from verse 9:29, that Muslims are commanded to attack all non-Muslims until they pay money. In fact, such an interpretation is completely false and contradicts authentic Islamic teachings. Commenting on this verse, Shaykh Jalal Abualrub writes:

These Ayat (Quranic verses) stress the necessity of fighting against the People of the Scripture, but under what conditions? We previously established the fact that the Islamic State is not permitted to attack non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam, who do not oppress Muslims, or try to convert Muslims by force from their religion, or expel them from their lands, or wage war against them, or prepare for attacks against them. If any of these offenses occurs, however, Muslims are permitted to defend themselves and protect their religion. Muslims are not permitted to attack non-Muslims who signed peace pacts with them, or non-Muslims who live under the protection of the Islamic State. (Abualrub, Holy Wars, Crusades, Jihad)

Likewise, the following fatwa points out that Muslims cannot attack a peaceful non-Muslim country:
Question: Is it an obligation of an Islamic state to attack the neighboring non-Muslim states and collect ‘jizya’ from them? Do we see this in the example of the rightly guided Caliphs who fought against the Roman and Persian Empires without any aggression initiating from them?

Answered by Sheikh Hânî al-Jubayr, judge at the Jeddah Supreme Court

If the non-Muslim country did not attack the Muslim one nor mobilize itself to prevent the practice and spread of Islam, nor transgress against mosques, nor work to oppress the Muslim people in their right to profess their faith and decry unbelief, then it is not for the Muslim country to attack that country. Jihâd of a military nature was only permitted to help Muslims defend their religion and remove oppression from the people.

The Persians and Romans did in fact aggress against Islam and attack the Muslims first.

The Chosroe of Persia had gone so far as to order his commander in Yemen specifically to kill the Prophet (peace be upon him). The Romans mobilized their forces to fight the Prophet (peace be upon him), and the Muslims confronted them in the Battles of Mu’tah and Tabûk during the Prophet’s lifetime.

May Allah guide us all. And May peace and blessing be upon our Prophet Muhammad.

6/10/2017 2:17:25 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  
muldoon1959
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Christian bigotry is no longer being tolerated
so they want to pretend they're being persecuted.

The reality is no one is writing laws allowing the
discrimination against Christians.

On the flip side of that coin, Christians
are constantly trying to write laws to legalize
their bigotry against others disguised as
"religious freedom" laws.

So I guess when they discriminate and oppress others,
it's OK because it's "religious freedom".

But when others write laws that prevent them from
oppressing others, it's "persecution".

6/10/2017 9:24:36 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

amadaea
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Bobby,
It all looks great. In the books.
Apparently not in real life.

Khopts were exterminated in ME. Just one example. They were Christian Arabs. Armenians. Another case. Pushed out to Caucasian Mountains.
Religion of peace? My great grandfather apparently had to run to Asia, from that great "peace" Muslims poured onto non-Muslims. He was a Khopt. His first wife and two kids died on the way to Asia anyway. He had only one living son left, my grandma's half-brother.

Don't tell me, please, about peaceful Muslims. Especially from the comfort of your sofa. I grew up around them. I'm sorry, old man, I may be twice younger but I know more about Muslims and not from the books.

And please stop calling me amerite. I have no Hebrew blood in me, nor of Jewish religion I am.

6/10/2017 9:34:48 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

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Quote from amadaea:
Bobby,
It all looks great. In the books.
Apparently not in real life.

Khopts were exterminated in ME. Just one example. They were Christian Arabs. Armenians. Another case. Pushed out to Caucasian Mountains.
Religion of peace? My great grandfather apparently had to run to Asia, from that great "peace" Muslims poured onto non-Muslims. He was a Khopt. His first wife and two kids died on the way to Asia anyway. He had only one living son left, my grandma's half-brother.

Don't tell me, please, about peaceful Muslims. Especially from the comfort of your sofa. I grew up around them. I'm sorry, old man, I may be twice younger but I know more about Muslims and not from the books.

And please stop calling me amerite. I have no Hebrew blood in me, nor of Jewish religion I am.


My Grandmother and Grandfather also fled Armenia, Milan a short time. Came to the US, LEGAL immigrants and did well.

6/10/2017 9:41:25 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

longbobby
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Quote from amadaea:
Bobby,
It all looks great. In the books.
Apparently not in real life.

Khopts were exterminated in ME. Just one example. They were Christian Arabs. Armenians. Another case. Pushed out to Caucasian Mountains.
Religion of peace? My great grandfather apparently had to run to Asia, from that great "peace" Muslims poured onto non-Muslims. He was a Khopt. His first wife and two kids died on the way to Asia anyway. He had only one living son left, my grandma's half-brother.

Don't tell me, please, about peaceful Muslims. Especially from the comfort of your sofa. I grew up around them. I'm sorry, old man, I may be twice younger but I know more about Muslims and not from the books.

And please stop calling me amerite. I have no Hebrew blood in me, nor of Jewish religion I am.
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Amirite? ???



Intellectually challenged much?

Amirite = Am I right

J()()'s aren't hebrews ... nor Israelites either. That's just one of their pretensions. No such thing as a modern "hebrew" anyway. "hebrew" is a language not an ethnic group.

Oh and btw, brainiac? The word "hebrew" is never capitalized.

Oh and btw again, brainiac. The name you're accusing me of calling you is spelled "amorite"

Amorites were from Southern Mesopotamia ... think modern day Iraq. Arabs, in other words. Semites. Although later they migrated to Canaan and what was to become Syria by the 3rd century BC, then known as The land of the Amurru, and later as Aram and Eber-Nari.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorites

No, I don't think you know anything about Arabs whom you pejoratively call Muslims as though an ethnic group should be identified by their religion.

Nor did you say what your alleged grandpa did to incur the enmity of the Arabs whom you claim did him in. He probably tried to gyp them like you're trying to gyp me.

6/10/2017 9:53:47 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  
doublethree
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Quote from testsignup:
Did anyone actually read what happened? Not JUST the biased reports?

Set an example by doing that regarding Trump. Every liberal talking point is based on fabrication. Also, the country is about freedom of religion, so Bernie is wrong, as usual. Anyone is allowed to think what they want.

6/10/2017 11:48:52 PM Bigot Bernie Bashes Christian  

mudclean
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Quote from testsignup:
Did anyone actually read what happened? Not JUST the biased reports?

Suffice it to say, most of the headlines I've seen so far are functional lies. Especially the one used as a title for this thread.

Sanders DID NOT bash anyone for being Christian. He did NOT say that he opposed Christianity. He DID NOT say that no Christian could qualify for office.

What he did, was he found PUBLISHED STATEMENTS by this particular guy, in which he declared that as far as he was concerned,anyone who failed to take Jesus as their personal savior was damned to Hell. Sanders repeatedly asked the guy to specify how far that belief went, whether it would affect how he conducted himself in office, and whether he would represent the law of the land, or his personal interpretation of God's will, and the guy kept avoiding answering.

This thread is functional Fake News.


Either you weren't paying attention or your #FakeNews failed to inform you that you are incorrect.

Russell DID answer BOTH questions.

He said he is a Christian. Does the Bible teach that you can reject Christ and be saved? That is the answer to the first question.

He said that he believes that all men were created in the Image of God and are all deserving of equal respect. That answers your second question.

How did you not know this? Did you not see the full exchange? Were you unable to follow the conversation? Are you lying to try and impress little ol' me?

I would like to think you're just uninformed. I would never call a person a bigot unless I knew they were intentionally lying.

Watch the entire exchange and you will see where you made your mistakes.