Revelation is about to be fulfilled

6/10/2017 9:13:15 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
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6/10/2017 11:17:30 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
a_nubian Columbus, OH 53, joined Jan. 2011 online now!	Quote from wayn49: are you ready So true
6/11/2017 10:12:06 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	This is something that many have said for hundreds of years. What makes anyone think it is happening now? How soon is soon?
6/11/2017 7:31:30 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from bigd9832: This is something that many have said for hundreds of years. What makes anyone think it is happening now? How soon is soon? What is amazing is people claim " and of that hour no man knoweth" but, they turn around and then claim "revelations is about to be fulfilled" or "he is coming soon" "If" no man knows that hour, how is it they claim revelations is about to be fulfilled? And how is it, people claim the signs of the end are everywhere, yet christ himself said, "no other sign shall be given, just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights so shall the son of man be in the heart of the earth" They claim to see signs, Jesus said there wasn't another sign. So I ask, what are they looking for and what do they really think these "so called" signs mean.
6/11/2017 10:11:46 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from wayn49: are you ready I am ready, wayn.
6/12/2017 12:13:37 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
wayn49 Birmingham, AL 55, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from looptex1: What is amazing is people claim " and of that hour no man knoweth" but, they turn around and then claim "revelations is about to be fulfilled" or "he is coming soon" "If" no man knows that hour, how is it they claim revelations is about to be fulfilled? And how is it, people claim the signs of the end are everywhere, yet christ himself said, "no other sign shall be given, just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights so shall the son of man be in the heart of the earth" They claim to see signs, Jesus said there wasn't another sign. So I ask, what are they looking for and what do they really think these "so called" signs mean. we do not know the day or hour but we know the signs but I reckon so many have there interpretation of revelation
6/12/2017 7:30:28 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from wayn49: we do not know the day or hour but we know the signs but I reckon so many have there interpretation of revelation if you see the signs, why wouldn't you know? There was no gap, immediately after the tribulation of those days shall appear. ... Without counting, I don't know what number the letter "L" is in the alphabet, but I do know it comes immediately after "K". And when I begin to heat the ""H, I, J," I know it is near, even at the door, and when I hear "K", immediately comes "L". Not after a long space of time, not after h, I and j has been said 50 times each, but immediately. Your assumption that revelations is about to be fulfilled is flawed badly. It this is true, then we by necessity must be going through the tribulation now. And that tribulation is to be worse than any that ever has been or will be. Can you say the tribulation of our day is worse than the tribulation of any of time? Then you need to rethink your assumption. On another note. FJO, has stepped into the arena with louie. His urantia book, has made the claim August the 21st the sign will appear. Well of course things follow that sign. Then shall he send forth his angels to gather the elect. So here in just a couple months, we will all know if this urantia book is the true revelation from God. Maybe on the 22nd of august 2017, FJO will be realize that book isn't what he thinks it is and begin to follow that of the true written word.
6/12/2017 6:20:27 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from looptex1: if you see the signs, why wouldn't you know? There was no gap, immediately after the tribulation of those days shall appear. ... Without counting, I don't know what number the letter "L" is in the alphabet, but I do know it comes immediately after "K". And when I begin to heat the ""H, I, J," I know it is near, even at the door, and when I hear "K", immediately comes "L". Not after a long space of time, not after h, I and j has been said 50 times each, but immediately. Your assumption that revelations is about to be fulfilled is flawed badly. It this is true, then we by necessity must be going through the tribulation now. And that tribulation is to be worse than any that ever has been or will be. Can you say the tribulation of our day is worse than the tribulation of any of time? Then you need to rethink your assumption. On another note. FJO, has stepped into the arena with louie. Louie? I haven't seen Louie here in months. Anyway, you are mistaken. Are you deliberately mistaken, or mistakenly mistaken? That is the question. His urantia book, has made the claim August the 21st the sign will appear. That is not correct. The Urantia Book has made no such claim. Please be careful if you are ignorant. The Urantia Book only claims that Jesus' real birth date is August 21, 7 BC. Please do not say that The Urantia Book "claims that August 21 the sign will appear." It does not. I had a feeling you were going to get confused about this when I first mentioned it. So here in just a couple months, we will all know if this urantia book is the true revelation from God. The Urantia Book does not say what you said it says. Please, stifle your confusion. Maybe on the 22nd of august 2017, FJO will be realize that book isn't what he thinks it is and begin to follow that of the true written word. For Christ's sake, shut up and pay attention will you? Concerning August 21, the only thing The Urantia Book says about it is that it's Jesus' real birth date. How you can take two or three bits of information and get them so jumbled up for your own anti-Urantia Book purposes is truly beyond me.
6/12/2017 6:29:34 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	POST-TRIB RESURRECTION VERSUS PRE-TRIB RAPTURE?? Now the pre-tribbers believe that ALL the CHURCH SAINTS, dead or alive, will be raptured BEFORE the Great Tribulation begins and that the unbelievers will be resurrected AFTER the Great Tribulation ends??? WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? 2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10: To the CHURCH of the Thessalonians... God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen WHENthe Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels {See Matthew 24:29-31 and Matthew 25:31} He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our lord Jesus They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES to be glorified in His holy people {Including CHURCH SAINTS--See Matthew 25:31-46} and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes YOU {Thessalonian CHURCH SAINTS} Pre-Tibbers also claim that the CHURCH SAINTS and the Lost will not be resurrected on the same LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation?? BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him on the LAST DAY!" See Matthew 25:31-46; Daniel 12:1,2 and John 5:28} John 6:40: Jesus says, ""For My Father's will is that EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in Him {CHURCH SAINTS} shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY!" So God's Word definitely shows that Jesus will resurrect His saints and judge the lost on the Last Day when He comes IN GLORY WITH ALL HIS ANGELS{Matthew 16:27; 24:29,30; 25:31} or WHEN HE IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS as per 2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10!! John 5:28,29: Jesus says, “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming {The LAST DAY*} when ALL* {Both OT & NT Saints} who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.” Daniel 12:1b,2,7b: “There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time {The LAST DAY} your people--EVERYONE whose name is found written in the Book {Both OT & NT Saints}—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt…It will be for a time. times and half a time {1260 days-Rev 12:6,14, or 42 {30-day} months-Rev 13:5-{Not 7 years} ALL these things will be COMPLETED. The pre-tribbers wrongly believe that the OT saints will receive their eternal perfect heavenly bodies 7 years or 1260 days AFTER the Church saints. However, in Hebrews 11:39,40 we read “These {OT super saints mentioned in Heb 11:4-38} were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that ONLY TOGETHER WITH US {NT Saints} would they {OT Saints} be made perfect!” Pre-Tribbers also claim that the HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE REMOVED from all the saints during the Great Tribulation because of a ridiculous interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2:7??? BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? Mark 13:11: Jesus says, "Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial {During the Great Tribulation}, do not worry beforehand what to say, but say whatever is given to you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the HOLY SPIRIT!!!" Pre-Tribbers claim that there are about 10 versus which prove the imminent Second Coming of Jesus, and could have taken place in the First Century. And therefore, the Second Coming of Jesus could have occurred BEFORE the Gospel was preached in *EVERY NATION of the world. BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? Matthew 24:15 Jesus said, "This Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the WHOLE WORLD as a testimony to ALL NATIONS and THEN the end will come!" According to Missionary societies the Gospel was preached to every nation in the world about 1952!! Revelation 5:9 "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain and with Your blood you purchased for God persons from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE AND PEOPLE AND NATION!!" This will be completed during the Great Tribulation as per Revelation 7:9-15!! As of 2017 The Gospel has only been translated in about 2200 of the 6,000 languages in the world!! Pre-Tribbers also claim that the saints will not go through the Great Tribulation because they would then suffer the WRATH of God. BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? Romans 5:9: Since we have been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from GOD'S WRATH through Him!. I Thessalonians 5:9: God did not appoint us to suffer WRATH but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ! God's Tribulation saints will not be hurt by GOD'S WRATH during the Great Tribulation! The horrific 7 Trumpet Plagues and 7 Bowl Plagues and eternal torment in Hell; are reserved only for the unbelievers and will not hurt God's saints in any way just as the 10 OT Egyptian plagues miraculously did not hurt any of God's people as shown by the following Scripture: Revelation 9:4-6: They were told to only harm those people who did not have the seal of God on their heads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for 5 months. During these days men will seek death, but will not find it they will long to die but death will elude them. Revelation 9:18,20,21: A third of mankind will be killed by the plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that comes out of their mouths.... The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands, they did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold... Nor did the repent of their murders, their magic arts,their sexual immorality or their thefts! Revelation 16:2: The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image! Revelation 16:6: They have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve! Revelation 16:9: They were seared by the intense heat and cursed the name of God who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify Him! Revelation 16:10: Men gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done. Revelation 14:9,10: If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of HIS WRATH He will be tormented with burning sulfur...and the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever! Pre-Tribbers also claim that all of the Church saints will be raptured BEFORE the MAN OF LAWLESSNESS IS REVEALED??
6/12/2017 6:47:38 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, 8: Concerning the COMING* of our Lord Jesus and OUR {CHURCH SAINTS} being gathered to Him, we ask you brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter, supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord has already come . Don't let anyone {Like Pre-Tribbers} deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS IS REVEALED!..... The lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor OF HIS COMING!! {On the LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation} It is interesting to note that the only COMING of the Lord Jesus when the CHURCH SAINTS are gathered to Him; mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 and 2:8; is on the LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation!! I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope FULLY on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is REVEALED. I Corinthians 1:7: “YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU {CHURCH SAINTS} eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be REVEALED. Now the pre-tribbers claim that the glorious REVEALING** or REVELATION of Jesus will be CONCEALED BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation. However, every other time the Word REVEALED {Greek-Apocalypsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And CONCEALED is the exact opposite of REVEALED and APPEARED according to every dictionary! The Word of God clearly shows that the CHURCH SAINTS are waiting The APPEARING and REVEALING of our Lord Jesus Christ which completely contradicts the Pre-Trib theory that the CHURCH SAINTS are all waiting for a CONCEALED RAPTURE??? Titus 2:13 WE {CHURCH SAINTS} wait for the BLESSED HOPE---the glorious APPEARING of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ!! Hebrews 9:28: Jesus will APPEAR a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation TO THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM!! Colossians 3:4: When Christ, who is your life APPEARS, then YOU {CHURCH SAINTS} also will APPEAR with Him in glory.” I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus APPEARS, WE {CHURCH SAINTS} shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!” Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, “IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will APPEAR in the sky and the nations will see the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!” I John 2:28: “Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He APPEARS WE {CHURCH SAINTS} may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!” {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4} 2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY—and not only to me, but to ALL {CHURCH SAINTS} who have longed for His APPEARING!!” {See Matt 24:30 above!!} I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, YOU {CHURCH SAINTS} will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!” 2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the CHURCH of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen WHEN the Lord Jesus is REVEALED {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES to be glorified in His holy people {CHURCH SAINTS}!! This includes YOU {Thessalonian ^^CHURCH SAINTS} Now the Pre-Tribbers claim that all the resurrection versus on the second coming of Jesus will occur on the LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation EXCEPT for I Thessalonians 4;16-18 and I Corinthians 15:51,52 which tells of a secret silent rapture just before the Great Tribulation when 666 is revealed??? BUT WHAT DOES THESE VERSES REALLY TEACH?? I Corinthians 15:51,52: Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we ALL will be changed--in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMPET. For the TRUMPET will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable and WE will be changed! Revelation 8:1,2: When He {Jesus} opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw 7 angels who stand before God and to them were given 7 TRUMPETS! Revelation 11:15,18: The seventh {And LAST} angel sounded his {7TH & LAST} TRUMPET, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and His Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever... The time has come for judging the dead, and rewarding your servants and your saints who reverence your name and for destroying those who destroy the earth!" And so the 7th angel will sound the 7th and LAST TRUMPET of Revelation on the LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation! and certainly not BEFORE the Great Tribulation even begins; as the Pre-Tribbers wrongly teach concerning the LAST TRUMPET in I Corinthians 15;51,52!! I Thessalonians 4:16,17; 5:2,4: For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel {See Rev 14:15} and with the {7TH AND LAST} TRUMPET{See Matt 24:30 & Rev 11:15,18 & I Cor 15:52} call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS {See Matt 24:30 and Rev 14:14} to meet the Lord in the air.... The DAY OF THE LORD {In I Cor 4:17 above} will come like a thief in the night {To unbelievers} While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them {Unbelievers} suddenly {On the SAME DAY as the Resurrection in I Cor 4:17 above!!}... But YOU {CHURCH SAINTS} brothers, are not in darkness so that THIS DAY should surprise you like a thief. You are ALL sons of the light and sons of the Day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness! Revelation 3:3: Jesus says, "Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will COME TO YOU!" Once the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins all of God's saints who can add will know the exact day of the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day. And when the stars start falling to earth the saints will know the exact hour of the Second Coming of Jesus!!
6/12/2017 6:57:01 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011 online now!	Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the stars will fall from the sky {Luke 21:28 adds: "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!!"} At that time the sign of the Son of Man coming on the CLOUDS {See I Thess 4:17} of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud TRUMPET {See I Cor 15:52 & I Thess 4::16 & Rev 11:15,18} call an they will gather His ELECT {See Rom 11:5-7; 2 Tim 2:10 & Titus 1:1!}} from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds: "From the ends of the earth."} Now the Pre-Tribbers claim that the ELECT OF JESUS mentioned in Matthew 24:31 are all OT Jewish saints and not CHURCH SAINTS. BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? Romans 11:5-7: At the present time there is a remnant CHOSEN by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works, if it were, grace would no longer be grace! What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the ELECT did! 2 Timothy 2:10: Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the ELECT {CHURCH SAINTS}, that they too may obtain the SALVATION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS! Titus 1:1: Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's ELECT {CHURCH SAINTS}! Ephesians 3:6: This mystery is that through the Gospel the Gentiles are HEIRS TOGETHERwith Israel. Members together of ONE BODY, and SHARERS TOGETHERin the promise in Christ Jesus!! John 6:39,44: Jesus says, "And this is the will of Him who sent Me that I shall lose none of all that He has given Me {God's ELECT}, but raise them up at the LAST DAY... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father DRAWS him, and I will raise him {GOD'S ELECT} up at the LAST DAY!" John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the LAST DAY!" It is interesting to note that a pre-trib rapture fairy tale of God's saints is not mentioned even ONCE in the Olivet Prophetic sermon of Jesus in Matthew 24,25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 and not even ONCE in all the prophecies in the book of Revelation. Now the Pre-Tribbers agree that it is completely ridiculous not to have any mention of the resurrection of the CHURCH SAINTS in the prophetic book of Revelation.. And so the pre tribbers claim that Revelation 4:1-2 symbolically somehow shows the rapture of the CHURCH SAINTS since John's entrance into heaven before the Tribulation somehow shows the rapture. Revelation 4:1-2: John said, "After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, 'Come up her,, and I will show you what must take place after this.'" Now the pre-tribbers claim that John going up to heaven in AD 96, to see what will happen in the future; somehow represents all the living and dead CHURCH SAINTS being raptured just before the Great Tribulation??? The Last Day resurrections in Revelation 11:15-18 and Revelation 14:14-20 are obviously Post-Trib. And just after the Marriage Feast of the Lamb Jesus will mount a white horse and his saints will follow Him on white horses and they will conquer 666, his False Prophet, their kings and armies on the same Last Day as per Revelation 19:7-21 and Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the LAMB but the LAMB will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be His CALLED, CHOSEN and FAITHFUL followers!! Now the Pre-Tribbers teach that the Church saints must have been raptured before The Great Tribulation began since the word CHURCH is not mentioned in Revelation chapters 4-21 and therefore the Great Tribulation will not be FOR THE CHURCHES OR CHURCH SAINTS??? BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? Revelation 22:16,18-20: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony {ALL OF REVELATION}FOR THE CHURCHES.{CHURCH SAINTS}.. I warn everyone who hears the word of the prophecy of this book. If anyone ADDS {Like the Pre-Trib Rapture} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY from this book of prophecy. God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!" Revelation 1:1-3: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show HIS SERVANTS {CHURCH SAINTS} what must take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw--that is, the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the Words of this Prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and TAKE TO HEART what is written in it!! The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize goes to Darby. Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Pastor of the Metropolitan Tabernacle and contemporary of Darby, published criticism of Darby and Brethrenism. His main criticism was that Darby and the Plymouth Brethren rejected the vicarious purpose of Christ's obedience as well as imputed righteousness. He viewed these of such importance and so central to the Gospel that it led him to this statement about the rest of their belief. "Mr. Grant on the Darby Brethren" by Charles Spurgeon from the June 1860 "Sword and the Trowel": James Grant wrote: "Mr. Darby maintains that a part of Christ's sufferings on the cross, were what he calls 'non-atoning,' that is, that in 'smiting' him as the shepherd on the cross, God did not do so with a view to an atonement for our sins, until a particular point of time, while Christ was hanging on the tree, and that then the wrath of God, in its atoning character, coalesced with his legal wrath. In association with the doctrine that much of the sufferings of Christ on the cross were without any atoning object or effect, Mr. Darby, advancing a step farther, denies that the atonement for our sins consisted even in Christ's death. But as it is probable some persons will find it difficult to believe that any man, professing to hold evangelical principles, and especially the leader of an important religious sect, also professing to be sound in the faith, could entertain such notions."
6/12/2017 7:21:46 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from followjesusonly: For Christ's sake, shut up and pay attention will you? Concerning August 21, the only thing The Urantia Book says about it is that it's Jesus' real birth date. How you can take two or three bits of information and get them so jumbled up for your own anti-Urantia Book purposes is truly beyond me. Your pretty post says nothing about a birthday. It says.. August 21 2017 And then it quotes from matthew 24. It would take a real dumb@$$ to come to the conclusion this was only speaking of the birthday of jesus. Why? Well, Matt 24, doesn't speak of the birthday of jesus, it speak of signs and things that were to come before his return. So there are..either fix your pretty poster or admit that the intentions are to speculate the events quoted from in matt 24. We all know about the planet and all the things that are suppose to be happening, and that is exactly what your poster is referring to and claiming it to be the sign of his coming. Are you so mistaken you don't even know what your own book and those who read it are saying? I may be mistaken, but I'm close to positive you have even spoke about the matter in another thread several months back. So stop back peddling, be proud of what you believe, even if it is wrong..
6/12/2017 8:41:48 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	And btw, the urantia book can't even keep the story straight of when he was born. I guess the celestial beings were a little tipsy when telling that part to the Dr while in his trance
6/12/2017 11:13:21 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
wayn49 Birmingham, AL 55, joined Feb. 2011	in order to understand revelation you have to read the book of Daniel to apply it to what Jesus stated in the gospels concerning the time of the end. there was a time table for each prophecy to come to pass 1-the seven churches 2-the seven seals 3-the seven trumpets 4-the beast of revelation 5-the three angels message 6-the seven last plagues 7-the coming of Jesus 8-the great judgement day 9-the new heaven and earth what gets me is this, trying to place all fulfilled in 1st century AD does not add up because i have not seen 7 plagues fall upon this earth, or the return of Jesus, or the judgement, or a new heaven and earth where there is no more sin but we are living in the time of the end, a time when the three angels messages are being carried to the whole world right before the great day of the Lord
6/12/2017 11:28:01 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	* Quote from followjesusonly: For Christ's sake, shut up and pay attention will you? Concerning August 21, the only thing The Urantia Book says about it is that it's Jesus' real birth date. How you can take two or three bits of information and get them so jumbled up for your own anti-Urantia Book purposes is truly beyond me. Your pretty post says nothing about a birthday. It says.. August 21 2017 And then it quotes from matthew 24. Yes, that's right. It quotes from Matthew 24. You don't own Matthew 24 do you? Did I post something that you own without your permission? August 21, 7 BC is Jesus' real birthday. That information has been posted many times here on DH. This is not new news. 122:8.7 Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C. 122:8.1 All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger. -The Urantia Book It would take a real dumb@$$ to come to the conclusion this was only speaking of the birthday of jesus. It's not only speaking of the birthday of Jesus. It's speaking about the Tribulation. Why? Well, Matt 24, doesn't speak of the birthday of jesus, I NEVER SAID MATTHEW 24 WAS SPEAKING ABOUT JESUS' BIRTHDAY. You are extremely confused. it speak of signs and things that were to come before his return. It does not. It speaks of what is going to happen IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation. Matthew 24:29 says NOTHING about Jesus' return. Do you have reading issues? Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days...and then the events it describes fits what is going to happen on August 21, 2017, "the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light." If true, then by August 21, 2017, the tribulation will a done deal. If you think Jesus is coming back then, that's your business. I don't. Is there part of those seven words you don't understand? That's what Matthew 24:29 is all about, Immediately after the tribulation of those days... So there are..either fix your pretty poster Fix it to what? It's perfectly accurate as it is. What's wrong with my "pretty poster"? or admit that the intentions are to speculate the events quoted from in matt 24. Well duh! OF COURSE MY INTENTIONS ARE TO SPECULATE THE EVENTS QUOTED FROM IN MATTHEW 24. What did you think was happening? Is it unlawful to speculate? If not, then what is your issue? We all know about the planet and all the things that are suppose to be happening, and that is exactly what your poster is referring to and claiming it to be the sign of his coming. How can you make so many mistakes? I have never claimed that the events on August 21, 2017 are "the sign of His coming." Never. Not once. And no, that's not what my poster is claiming. What they [the events] may be is the the sign that the tribulation will be over by then. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Can you read? Are you so mistaken you don't even know what your own book and those who read it are saying? Like what, and like who? What are they saying? What is the book saying? I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you give examples? I may be mistaken, but I'm close to positive you have even spoke about the matter in another thread several months back. You are not mistaken. I absolutely have spoken about the matter in several post in the last year or two. Did I break another one of your laws? So stop back peddling, Back peddling on what? This is your confusion talking. I have not back peddled on anything. be proud of what you believe, even if it is wrong.. Oh, I am, and it's not. But I believe it's your biggest fear and that's why you rail against it, just like they railed against Jesus. They knew He was a threat to their belief system. And btw, the urantia book can't even keep the story straight of when he was born. You're confused again. The Urantia Book is very clear about when Jesus was born. Didn't I tell you? August 21, 7 BC. What are you talking about? I guess the celestial beings were a little tipsy when telling that part to the Dr while in his trance. What Dr was that who was in a trance? Do you know? Who told you that? Were you there? Are you now bearing false witness against someone you never even met? What's the difference between you trying to smear someone regarding The Urantia Book and the guy who said about Jesus, "He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?" (John 10:20) Human nature never changes. The sign of the Son of Man
6/12/2017 11:32:52 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from wayn49: in order to understand revelation you have to read the book of Daniel to apply it to what Jesus stated in the gospels concerning the time of the end. there was a time table for each prophecy to come to pass 1-the seven churches 2-the seven seals 3-the seven trumpets 4-the beast of revelation 5-the three angels message 6-the seven last plagues 7-the coming of Jesus 8-the great judgement day 9-the new heaven and earth what gets me is this, trying to place all fulfilled in 1st century AD does not add up because i have not seen 7 plagues fall upon this earth, or the return of Jesus, or the judgement, or a new heaven and earth where there is no more sin but we are living in the time of the end, a time when the three angels messages are being carried to the whole world right before the great day of the Lord I believe you are right, wayn, we are living in the time of the end, but as Jesus says in The Urantia Book (this is a good read, I hope you read it): 176:3.2 The downfall of nations, the crash of empires, the destruction of the unbelieving Jews, the end of an age, even the end of the world, what have these things to do with one who believes this gospel, and who has hid his life in the surety of the eternal kingdom? You who are God-knowing and gospel-believing have already received the assurances of eternal life. Since your lives have been lived in the spirit and for the Father, nothing can be of serious concern to you. Kingdom builders, the accredited citizens of the heavenly worlds, are not to be disturbed by temporal upheavals or perturbed by terrestrial cataclysms. What does it matter to you who believe this gospel of the kingdom if nations overturn, the age ends, or all things visible crash, since you know that your life is the gift of the Son, and that it is eternally secure in the Father? Having lived the temporal life by faith and having yielded the fruits of the spirit as the righteousness of loving service for your fellows, you can confidently look forward to the next step in the eternal career with the same survival faith that has carried you through your first and earthly adventure in sonship with God. -The Urantia Book
6/13/2017 2:51:34 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from looptex1: Your pretty post says nothing about a birthday. My pretty poster says nothing about Jesus returning either. You just imagined that it did. You're not a good reader.
6/13/2017 8:54:15 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote FJO.... You're confused again. The Urantia Book is very clear about when Jesus was born. Didn't I tell you? August 21, 7 BC. What are you talking about? ........ Really? Here is how clear that book is.. You say August of 7 bc But that book can't keep the story straight. Quote from urantia. . 122:2.2 (1345.4) It was late in the month of June, 8 B.C., about three months after the marriage of Joseph and Mary, that Gabriel appeared to Elizabeth at noontide one day, just as he later made his presence known to Mary. Said Gabriel: 122:2.3 (1345.5) “While your husband, Zacharias, stands before the altar in Jerusalem, and while the assembled people pray for the coming of a deliverer, I, Gabriel, have come to announce that you will shortly bear a son who shall be the forerunner of this divine teacher, and you shall call your son John...... As we can plainly see here, Elizabeth, wasn't told of her son John until late June 8 bc. simple math and knowledge of events tell us a 7 bc birth of jesus isn't possible, or the writers of the book just can't keep the story straight. More from urantia..... 122:2.6 (1346.1) Gabriel appeared to Mary about the middle of November, 8 B.C., while she was at work in her Nazareth home. Later on, after Mary knew without doubt that she was to become a mother,...... above here is Mary in November of 8 bc and still no child More from the urantia 122:2.7 (1346.2) John was born in the City of Judah, March 25, 7 B.C. Zacharias and Elizabeth rejoiced greatly in the realization that a son had come to them as Gabriel had promised,....... above, John has been born March or 7 bc, but wait, didn't we post earlier that it was late June of 8 bc before Elizabeth was told of John? As I said earlier, the writers or the urantia book can't even keep the story straight. The is many many more errors if one is willing to admit it..
6/13/2017 9:42:53 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Loop, whether or not August 21 is Jesus' birthday, the upcoming eclipse events fit the verse, Matthew 24:29, "the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light." Do you not take Jesus' words seriously? Do you dismiss Jesus' words because you and your sect didn't think to apply them, you didn't come up with the idea and the possible connection? Do you salute your brethren only? (Mat 5:47) Whether or not this upcoming event turns out to be the one mentioned in Matthew 24:29, does it anger you that this information didn't come through your sect? I have known about this eclipse and the possible Matthew 24:29 connnection for 10 years. Do you think that as a traditional Christian, God should and would give your sect first crack at these things because you have an exclusive franchise or something? If you could forbid others not of your sect from reading the bible and following Jesus differently from you, would you? Luk 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. Luk 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. Whether or not this upcoming event turns out to be the one mentioned in Matthew 24:29, are you afraid that someone not from your sect might have more insight into this situation than you do? Are you discussing this upcoming event in your sect and how it may be related to Matthew 24:29? If not, why not? Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. I AM NOT PREDICTING ANYTHING. I am simply saying, the upcoming eclipse events fit the verse, Matthew 24:29. Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
6/13/2017 10:39:25 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Fact: We are closer today than yesterday! Hope: I personally hope the rapture of the Church is not much later than at the completion of Jewish Calendar 5777, assuming that is near this Autumn 2017. Speculation: Of course if you don't believe in the rapture, you're likely to usher in the rise of the anti-Christ and witness the rebuilding of the Jewish temple, and even a measure of peace.
6/13/2017 3:04:10 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from looptex1: Quote FJO.... You're confused again. The Urantia Book is very clear about when Jesus was born. Didn't I tell you? August 21, 7 BC. What are you talking about? ........ Really? Here is how clear that book is.. You say August of 7 bc But that book can't keep the story straight. Quote from urantia. . 122:2.2 (1345.4) It was late in the month of June, 8 B.C., about three months after the marriage of Joseph and Mary, that Gabriel appeared to Elizabeth at noontide one day, just as he later made his presence known to Mary. Said Gabriel: 122:2.3 (1345.5) “While your husband, Zacharias, stands before the altar in Jerusalem, and while the assembled people pray for the coming of a deliverer, I, Gabriel, have come to announce that you will shortly bear a son who shall be the forerunner of this divine teacher, and you shall call your son John...... As we can plainly see here, Elizabeth, wasn't told of her son John until late June 8 bc. simple math and knowledge of events tell us a 7 bc birth of jesus isn't possible, or the writers of the book just can't keep the story straight. Simple math, huh? LOL. Would you mind breaking your "simple math" down for us simpler folks? Go ahead and explain it please. More from urantia..... 122:2.6 (1346.1) Gabriel appeared to Mary about the middle of November, 8 B.C., while she was at work in her Nazareth home. Later on, after Mary knew without doubt that she was to become a mother,...... above here is Mary in November of 8 bc and still no child That's because Mary had just gotten pregnant in November of 8 BC. You may not know this but it takes 9 months for human women to have a baby from the time of conception. It's called the "gestation period." I think it's time you had a little talk about these things with your mom or your dad. More from the urantia 122:2.7 (1346.2) John was born in the City of Judah, March 25, 7 B.C. Zacharias and Elizabeth rejoiced greatly in the realization that a son had come to them as Gabriel had promised,....... above, John has been born March or 7 bc, but wait, didn't we post earlier that it was late June of 8 bc before Elizabeth was told of John? I just looked at a calendar and June 25 of 8 BC (late June as you said above) is exactly 9 months before March 25, 7 BC. Is there something about calendars that you don't understand? Also, with regard to Mary, from the middle of November, 8 BC to August 21, 7 BC, is likewise about 9 months. Do you not understand this? As I said earlier, the writers or the urantia book can't even keep the story straight. The is many many more errors if one is willing to admit it.. You haven't shown an error. You have shown that you don't understand how BC and AD years work. You have shown that you are confused. Or you don't understand that a pregnancy takes 9 months. Something is wrong with your calculations, "if one is willing to admit it."
6/13/2017 5:17:11 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
a_nubian Columbus, OH 53, joined Jan. 2011 online now!	I saw a youtube on the 4 REASONS TO BELIEVE WE'RE LIVING IN THE END TIMES. I happened to come across it; not looking for something to support what I already believe but will share: Reason 1 -- Shift in Morality In recent times many nations have recognized same sex unions and call it marriage. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.. (Mt 24:37, 38) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh...(Jude 1:7) Reason 2 -- The Spreading of the Gospel: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14) In recent years more and more movies and documentaries have come out with Christian themes. The internet has also have many ministries out there where people have come to Christ through them. Even in the most remotes areas the internet has be able to reach those people in countries where they never heard of Christ. Reason 3 -- Chaos in the Middle East Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. (Mt 24:9) All we have to do is look at the news and see what's happening in those countries and the terrorist attacks by ISIS. Reason 4 -- Increase in Knowledge But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Dan 12:4) The technology that we have been introduced in just the last 10-15 years has been amazing. Even within the last 100 years our technology has been phenomenal.
6/13/2017 5:33:55 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from followjesusonly: You haven't shown an error. You have shown that you don't understand how BC and AD years work. You have shown that you are confused. Or you don't understand that a pregnancy takes 9 months. Something is wrong with your calculations, "if one is willing to admit it." Now that is funny as crap...I didn't catch it, it took you 3 or 4 hours to catch it, and most likely, someone else seen it and pointed it out to you. Either way, you are correct, I am wrong, I was not taking into account the "bc" is counting down. Now as for the Eclipse, what is different about this one compared to the scripture quoted from Matt 24 ? Does the sun not darken during every eclipse that has happens? So no, "my sect" isn't speaking of this eclipse, it has nothing to do with any prophecy spoken in the scriptures. But, I do have a prophecy that was spoken, that does pertain to every prophecy given after it was spoken. Ezekiel 12:21 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 22Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? 23Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. 24For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel. 25For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD. 26Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 27Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that arefar off. 28Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord GOD. Most people build their house from the ground up, rather than trying to build the 2nd floor 1st. like wayne, Wayne wants to build his house from the top down. He wants Daniel and John to build the 2nd floor and doesn't think Ezekiels work is needed. does he not realize that the same God that spoke these words to Ezekiel is the same God that showed Daniel the dream and John his vision.
6/13/2017 5:45:01 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from a_nubian: Reason 2 -- The Spreading of the Gospel: And this gospel of the kingdom* shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.* (Mt 24:14) In recent years more and more movies and documentaries have come out with Christian themes. Sadly, "the gospel of the kingdom" that Jesus said to preach, and which He himself did preach, has not been preached by Christians. Instead, they "preach the cross" as Slowpoke says. Along with the verse you quoted above, we have: "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom..." Obviously the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus himself preached was not the gospel of the cross and Jesus was not preaching the cross to the multitude. And I can only wonder how the world would be different now if Christians had preached "the gospel of the kingdom" for 2000 years as Jesus told them to do, instead of "the cross." 2000 years, thousands of different Christian sects, and only 1/3rd of humanity is even nominally Christian.
6/13/2017 6:39:05 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
a_nubian Columbus, OH 53, joined Jan. 2011 online now!	Quote from followjesusonly: Sadly, "the gospel of the kingdom" that Jesus said to preach, and which He himself did preach, has not been preached by Christians. Instead, they "preach the cross" as Slowpoke says. Along with the verse you quoted above, we have: "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom..." Obviously the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus himself preached was not the gospel of the cross and Jesus was not preaching the cross to the multitude. And I can only wonder how the world would be different now if Christians had preached "the gospel of the kingdom" for 2000 years as Jesus told them to do, instead of "the cross." 2000 years, thousands of different Christian sects, and only 1/3rd of humanity is even nominally Christian. If they had preached the gospel like you pointed out, Christ would have returned a long time ago. I don't see Slowpoke's comments in this thread so I am assuming he has me blocked.
6/13/2017 6:43:50 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from looptex1: Now that is funny as crap...I didn't catch it, it took you 3 or 4 hours to catch it, and most likely, someone else seen it and pointed it out to you. And you know that, how? Do you know my schedule, the hours I sleep and the hours I turn on my pc and check my mail and read the news and then look at DH? No, it didn't take me 3 or 4 hours to catch it. Furthermore, the book has been read by tens of thousands of people over the last 60 years. Do you think you can just waltz in and find errors that no one else has found? It's not likely. Either way, you are correct, I am wrong, I was not taking into account the "bc" is counting down. Yes, I knew why you were probably wrong. It's easy to get mixed up in close-in BC years. Now as for the Eclipse, what is different about this one compared to the scripture quoted from Matt 24 ? Does the sun not darken during every eclipse that has happens? Well, and this is my connecting the dots only, this one is on Jesus' birthday according to The Urantia Book. Jesus must have known that. It's also almost exactly two Paradise days since Jesus was here. The bible says that in two places, that a thousand years on earth is like a day to God. It's also ONLY over the United States. No other nation is involved. It's exclusive to the most powerful military nation on earth, the richest nation, and which also currently has the goofiest president if I may say so. Have you ever heard "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" by Herbie Mann? It was suggested to me some years ago by a friend that at the end times, the sign of the Son of God would pass over the smoking ruins of the United States while Herbie Mann's Battle Hymn of the Republic played softly in the background. https://youtu.be/DJT_acVUjV4 Anyway, it's an interesting image. What exactly would it take to knock our nation off of its pedestal? It turns out, not very much. We are very very vulnerable. A half dozen spaced out nukes exploded 200 miles over the US, with the resulting electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) and all the electricity stops for 10 years. We'd be back to 1880, literally, in a flash. We'd be out of business. Nothing on the ground would be damaged and no one would be killed outright, and if it happened in the daytime, one might not even notice it except for the electricity stopping, perhaps fires breaking out from overloaded wires from the EMP, but there would be no running cars, no ATMs, no planes, no cash machines, no computers, no phones, no refrigeration, no air conditioning, no nothing that our modern complex society depends on. The grocery stores would be looted in a few days and that would be the end of that. It is estimated that within one year of such an event, 90% of all Americans would be dead from starvation, disease, and social unrest. So no, "my sect" isn't speaking of this eclipse, it has nothing to do with any prophecy spoken in the scriptures. Really? Not even a prophecy of Jesus? "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Jesus is saying something there. Why would your people not discuss it? I don't understand. But, I do have a prophecy that was spoken, that does pertain to every prophecy given after it was spoken. Ezekiel 12:21 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 22Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? 23Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. 24For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel. 25For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD. 26Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 27Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that arefar off. 28Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel? And that supersedes Jesus, the Son of God? I don't understand. Nor do I understand the verses you just quoted. What is the gist of them? Maybe I'll try to find a plain English translation. What would a Rabbi, a teacher of those scriptures, say about those verses? What do the Jews say those verses mean? It's their scriptures. It's funny to me how Jews don't bother trying to interpret Christian scriptures, but Christians think they know everything there is to know about the Jewish scriptures, more even than the Jews know, and Christians then have the nerve to tell the Jews what the Jewish scriptures mean. Most people build their house from the ground up, rather than trying to build the 2nd floor 1st. like wayne, Wayne wants to build his house from the top down. He wants Daniel and John to build the 2nd floor and doesn't think Ezekiels work is needed. does he not realize that the same God that spoke these words to Ezekiel is the same God that showed Daniel the dream and John his vision. I don't know the answer to that but I don't have the disdain for Seventh Day Adventists that you probably do. And I am not real big on the Hebrew scriptures. I leave them to the Jews. I don't think they have anything to do with Jesus' life and teachings or with "the gospel of the kingdom" that Jesus preached to the multitude but which Christians have substituted the gospel of the cross for. On July 9, 1962, at 09:00:09 Coordinated Universal Time (July 8, Honolulu time, at nine seconds after 11 p.m.), the Starfish Prime test was successfully detonated at an altitude of 400 kilometres (250 mi). The coordinates of the detonation were 16°28'N 169°38'WCoordinates: 16°28'N 169°38'W.[2] The actual weapon yield came very close to the design yield, which various sources have set at different values in the range of 1.4 to 1.45 megatons (6.0 PJ). The nuclear warhead detonated 13 minutes and 41 seconds after liftoff of the Thor missile from Johnston Island.[6] Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), which was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[7] setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands. -Wikipedia Warhead design has come a long way since 1962 when they accidentally found out about EMP. Now they can design warheads specially to produce large amounts of EMP.
6/13/2017 6:45:55 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from a_nubian: If they had preached the gospel like you pointed out, Christ would have returned a long time ago. I don't see Slowpoke's comments in this thread so I am assuming he has me blocked. Probably not. These were his comments from some time ago. "We preach the cross," he said. I didn't mean to imply that Slowpoke was on this thread. Sorry.
6/13/2017 6:52:09 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
a_nubian Columbus, OH 53, joined Jan. 2011 online now!	Quote from followjesusonly: Probably not. These were his comments from some time ago. "We preach the cross," he said. I didn't mean to imply that Slowpoke was on this thread. Sorry. oh okay no worries thanks
6/13/2017 7:06:21 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
hearthealing Clovis, CA 68, joined Jun. 2013	Quote from looptex1: What is amazing is people claim " and of that hour no man knoweth" but, they turn around and then claim "revelations is about to be fulfilled" or "he is coming soon" "If" no man knows that hour, how is it they claim revelations is about to be fulfilled? And how is it, people claim the signs of the end are everywhere, yet christ himself said, "no other sign shall be given, just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights so shall the son of man be in the heart of the earth" They claim to see signs, Jesus said there wasn't another sign. So I ask, what are they looking for and what do they really think these "so called" signs mean. Even though I have NOT been here for over a year, at least, and I have read in just a few short posts this afternoon, that the 'food fight' continues... I must say that I TOTALLY agree with this EXACTLY as you have stated it here One Love, Lynn
6/13/2017 8:10:21 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from looptex1: (via Hearthealing's post) What is amazing is people claim " and of that hour no man knoweth" but, they turn around and then claim "revelations is about to be fulfilled" or "he is coming soon" "If" no man knows that hour, how is it they claim revelations is about to be fulfilled? And how is it, people claim the signs of the end are everywhere, yet christ himself said, "no other sign shall be given, just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights so shall the son of man be in the heart of the earth" They claim to see signs, Jesus said there wasn't another sign. So I ask, what are they looking for and what do they really think these "so called" signs mean. I certainly don't think Jesus is coming back, not anytime soon at least. I don't associate the end times with Jesus' return. If, as the bible says, one day on Paradise is as 1000 years on earth, then if He came back soon it would be for Him, just two days from when He was here last. Have we changed all that much in 2000 of our years? I don't think so. So let's say for example that in Jesus' timeframe, He plans to come back here every 10 years. 10 years of Jesus' time would be 365 x 10 = 3650 days of Jesus' time which would be 3 million, 650,000 of our years, if my math is right. And if "every eye shall see him." (Rev_1:7) and if we shall see Him with spiritual eyes, then Jesus' return is going to be long delayed. I hope no one is holding their breath. Even if Jesus' planned to come back here in one of His years, We're still talking 365,000 of our years. What about a month of Jesus' time, 30 days or so? That would be 30,000 years of our years in the future. Nevertheless, the "end times," the overthrow and destruction of the current order on earth, coupled with a new, modern Dark Ages, could happen independently of Jesus' return. And too, perhaps some other "son of God" such as Melchizedek will come again during such end times to lead us into new pastures and out of the mess we have here. And, last but not least, The Urantia Book talks about the idea that if the population of a world such as ours is going to be doomed, the entire salvable population will be evacuated to a specially prepared world just for the event. I take "salvable" to mean those who love God. The rest will be left to die, IMO. 51:2.3 51:2.3 While there is this dematerializing technique for preparing the Adams for transit from Jerusem to the evolutionary worlds, there is no equivalent method for taking them away from such worlds unless the entire planet is to be emptied, in which event emergency installation of the dematerialization technique is made for the entire salvable population. If some physical catastrophe should doom the planetary residence of an evolving race, the Melchizedeks and the Life Carriers would install the technique of dematerialization for all survivors, and by seraphic transport these beings would be carried away to the new world prepared for their continuing existence. The evolution of a human race, once initiated on a world of space, must proceed quite independently of the physical survival of that planet, but during the evolutionary ages it is not otherwise intended that a Planetary Adam or Eve shall leave their chosen world. -The Urantia Book
6/13/2017 8:32:35 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	* A follow up to my post above. Where is the Rapture found in the bible? I don't find it. Is it a doctrine of men? Anyway, I was thinking perhaps someone had a vision of an evacuation to a new world that The Urantia Book talks about, and maybe the "rapture" is actually that. Just curious. It seems to me that these verses, Luke 17:34-35 and Matthew 24:40, and any others like them could easily be referring to a celestial evacuation of us to a "New Earth."
6/13/2017 9:29:22 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
hearthealing Clovis, CA 68, joined Jun. 2013	Actually an interesting point to ponder
6/13/2017 11:03:18 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	Good to see you. I hope we get to see more of you here.
6/14/2017 11:42:11 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
hearthealing Clovis, CA 68, joined Jun. 2013	Hi, thank you for noticing !! One Love, Lynn
6/14/2017 11:45:42 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from looptex1: The is many many more errors if one is willing to admit it.. Well, let's talk about them. How many more are there? Did you find them when YOU read the book? Could you post them, ONE AT A TIME and say why YOU think they are errors? Go ahead.
6/15/2017 7:17:43 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from followjesusonly: Well, let's talk about them. How many more are there? Did you find them when YOU read the book? Could you post them, ONE AT A TIME and say why YOU think they are errors? Go ahead. we've already spoke about several of them months ago. Of course, logic gets threw out the window though.
6/15/2017 7:45:51 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	I have never seen such poor syntax and grammar from full grown adults since I was a substitute teacher for Continuing Education in the 80s.
6/15/2017 8:42:00 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	Some people have something to say but don't always say it so well. Then there are those who have nothing to say and say it beautifully.
6/15/2017 11:43:50 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from looptex1: we've already spoke about several of them months ago. Of course, logic gets threw out the window though. Well, OK then. Sounds like you already exposed all the errors someone else besides you says there is in the book. Anyway, we don't claim that our book was authored by God and is thus, infallible, the way you Christians do about yours. No one can see God's face and live: Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Except for this guy: Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
6/16/2017 9:38:41 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	Quote from a_nubian: I saw a youtube on the 4 REASONS TO BELIEVE WE'RE LIVING IN THE END TIMES. I happened to come across it; not looking for something to support what I already believe but will share: You list your 4 reasons, but you have failed to give any Scripture to back any of it up. Perhaps this is just another conclusion that you have jumped to. ***************************************************************************************** Quote from followjesusonly: Anyway, we don't claim that our book was authored by God and is thus, infallible, the way you Christians do about yours. Christianity doesn't claim that the Bible was "authored by God and is thus, infallible." CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. I believe that most Christians believe that the Bible was INSPIRED by God. It seems like Urantia is wrong again. Or maybe it was just fj.
6/16/2017 1:56:21 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	bigd posted: Quote from followjesusonly: Anyway, we don't claim that our book was authored by God and is thus, infallible, the way you Christians do about yours. ====================================================================== Christianity doesn't claim that the Bible was "authored by God and is thus, infallible." Bigd, did you take me off of block? You're commenting on my post as if you took me off block. WHO is this "Christianity" that you speak of above? I am quite sure that there are Christians who say the bible was authored by God and is infallible. But you say the entire Christian monolith speaks with one voice and says something different? Where is the headquarters of the Christian monolith? Which sect speaks for the monolith? Have they unified into one big happy family since I last looked? CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. I believe that most Christians believe that the Bible was INSPIRED by God. Oh, so now it's "most Christians," not "Christianity" as you said the first time. Right? And you believe that, but you haven't polled "most Christians"? It's just your belief? It seems like Urantia is wrong again. Or maybe it was just fj. I think you'd better worry about your own inconsistencies first.
6/16/2017 2:36:07 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	bigd wrote: I believe that most Christians believe that the Bible was INSPIRED by God. And by the way, bigd, do you think that "most Christians" believe that this trashy verse was "inspired by God" as you said? But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV Why? Why would you think that? I believe I'll have another cookie. [Edited 6/16/2017 2:37:58 PM ]
6/16/2017 5:39:06 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: I went to Confession this afternoon and I feel ready. what if you suddenly did not have a priest or confessional to run to? a true follower of someone [Christ] should be able to just pray whenever they want to, or because there is need for it, or to just edify the Lord. I am always praying even on the machinery, doing the farm work, or walking to the weir, driving somewhere or typing now I am praying because I am always in direct contact with my God 24/7/365 I don't need candles, prayer beads, another person, or a confessional booth to ever be in immediate contact with Yahshua. the moment my mind thinks of Him, I am instantly on the phone line to heaven and i just pray in my thoughts so he can hear them.
6/16/2017 5:42:46 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	There's a weir in Reno?
6/16/2017 5:49:59 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from followjesusonly: * A follow up to my post above. Where is the Rapture found in the bible? I don't find it. Is it a doctrine of men? Anyway, I was thinking perhaps someone had a vision of an evacuation to a new world that The Urantia Book talks about, and maybe the "rapture" is actually that. Just curious. It seems to me that these verses, Luke 17:34-35 and Matthew 24:40, and any others like them could easily be referring to a celestial evacuation of us to a "New Earth." LUKE CLV 24 For even as the lightning, flashing out from here under heaven to there under heaven, is shining, thus will be the Son of Mankind in His day." 25 Yet first He must be suffering many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And according as it occurred in the days of Noah, thus will it be in the days of the Son of Mankind also." 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they took out in marriage, until the day on which Noah entered into the ark, and the deluge came and destroys them all." 28 Likewise, according as it occurred in the days of Lot, they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built." 29 Yet on the day in which Lot came out from Sodom, fire and sulphur rains from heaven and destroys them all." 30 In accord with these will it be on the day in which the Son of Mankind is unveiled. 34 I am saying to you, in this night there will be two on one couch; the one shall be taken along and the other shall be left." 35 There will be two grinding at the same place; the one shall be taken along, yet the other shall be left."
6/16/2017 5:53:22 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	There's a weir in Reno? if you live on the high plains of the mountains you have weirs for irrigating your fields. novel idea to capture melting snow in a reservoir and then release it through canals that naturally force flow water through pipes since it gravitates downhill
6/16/2017 7:11:01 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from iam_resurrected: LUKE CLV 24 For even as the lightning, flashing out from here under heaven to there under heaven, is shining, thus will be the Son of Mankind in His day." 25 Yet first He must be suffering many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And according as it occurred in the days of Noah, thus will it be in the days of the Son of Mankind also." 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they took out in marriage, until the day on which Noah entered into the ark, and the deluge came and destroys them all." 28 Likewise, according as it occurred in the days of Lot, they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built." 29 Yet on the day in which Lot came out from Sodom, fire and sulphur rains from heaven and destroys them all." 30 In accord with these will it be on the day in which the Son of Mankind is unveiled. 34 I am saying to you, in this night there will be two on one couch; the one shall be taken along and the other shall be left." 35 There will be two grinding at the same place; the one shall be taken along, yet the other shall be left." Not sure why you posted the verses. As I said in the post above yours, "It seems to me that these verses, Luke 17:34-35 and Matthew 24:40, and any others like them could easily be referring to a celestial evacuation of us to a "New Earth."
6/16/2017 7:15:06 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from iam_resurrected: what if you suddenly did not have a priest or confessional to run to? a true follower of someone [Christ] should be able to just pray whenever they want to, or because there is need for it, or to just edify the Lord. I am always praying even on the machinery, doing the farm work, or walking to the weir, driving somewhere or typing now I am praying because I am always in direct contact with my God 24/7/365 I don't need candles, prayer beads, another person, or a confessional booth to ever be in immediate contact with Yahshua. the moment my mind thinks of Him, I am instantly on the phone line to heaven and i just pray in my thoughts so he can hear them. Hallelujah, brother! Amen. It's a real mental sickness with Ludlow: "The Kingdom of God is the Catholic Church." "I will forever be dependent on the Church my mother." -Ludlow, the sick Catholic man.
6/16/2017 10:47:10 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	Quote from followjesusonly: Bigd, did you take me off of block? You're commenting on my post as if you took me off block. It seems to me you are not having any trouble reading my posts. Quote from followjesusonly: WHO is this "Christianity" that you speak of above? I am quite sure that there are Christians who say the bible was authored by God and is infallible. But you say the entire Christian monolith speaks with one voice and says something different? Where is the headquarters of the Christian monolith? Which sect speaks for the monolith? Have they unified into one big happy family since I last looked? Only those who follow urantia might believe that "the bible was authored by God and is infallible." Or maybe just the Catholic church. So you have become fluent in Strawman now? I never said there was a Christian "monolith." That was 2001 (or 2010). Christianity does not "speak with one voice." And I certainly never said that. But Christians do read the Scriptures. And the Scriptures informs us that the books of the Bible are INSPIRED by God, not written by Him. Quote from followjesusonly: I think you'd better worry about your own inconsistencies first. You are not capable of knowing my inconsistencies. Isaiah 36:12 is most definitely genuine. Written thousands of years ago, when mankind was a bit cruder. Well. publically crude anyway. But you don't think anyone today has ever said anything like this? Maybe eat chit and die? Maybe you have said that or something similar. It looks like your own inconsistencies are showing.
6/17/2017 1:39:27 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	Quote from followjesusonly: Bigd, did you take me off of block? You're commenting on my post as if you took me off block. It seems to me you are not having any trouble reading my posts. Nor you mine. The only reason we are having this "off" conversation now is because you went behind your own block to comment on something I said. Quote from followjesusonly: WHO is this "Christianity" that you speak of above? I am quite sure that there are Christians who say the bible was authored by God and is infallible. But you say the entire Christian monolith speaks with one voice and says something different? Where is the headquarters of the Christian monolith? Which sect speaks for the monolith? Have they unified into one big happy family since I last looked? Only those who follow urantia might believe that "the bible was authored by God and is infallible." That's just silly, d. We don't believe that. Not about your book and not about ours. Ask around, even here on DH. I'm sure you can find some Christian who will tell you that God is the author of the bible, and some will say it's infallible. Or maybe just the Catholic church. That has nothing to do with me. So you have become fluent in Strawman now? I never said there was a Christian "monolith." That was 2001 (or 2010). But you did say it when you said, "Christianity doesn't claim that the Bible was "authored by God and is thus, infallible." "Christianity" is a single entity, the way you have used it, a monolith. Christianity does not "speak with one voice." And I certainly never said that. So what you're saying is that your other statement is wrong. If Christianity doesn't speak with one voice, which I know it doesn't, then your statement that "Christianity doesn't claim that the Bible was "authored by God and is thus, infallible" is wrong. You should say, "Some of Christianity doesn't claim that the Bible was "authored by God and is thus, infallible." But Christians do read the Scriptures. Some do. Some don't. You should say, "SomeChristians do read the Scriptures." Since you can't prove that every Christian reads the scriptures, you should stop making categorical statements about them. And the Scriptures informs us that the books of the Bible are INSPIRED by God, not written by Him. Apparently that one verse by Paul does. He's certainly entitled to his opinion just like everyone else. And the verse you quoted doesn't say anything about "books." So are you saying that you believe that this verse... But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV ...is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act.? Isaiah 36:12 is most definitely genuine. Written thousands of years ago, when mankind was a bit cruder. Well. publically crude anyway. I never said it wasn't "genuine," or that it wasn't written thousands of years ago. Why are you changing the subject? But you don't think anyone today has ever said anything like this? Maybe eat chit and die? Maybe you have said that or something similar. You're off the subject. Why are you wandering around like that? The question is, is Isa 36:12 inspired by God? What do you say? Do you believe Paul when he says, "All scripture is inspired by God," or not? Maybe some scripture is really NOT inspired by God? Would your whole world crash if that was the case? I believe it's blasphemy against God to suggest that Isaiah 36:12, or any number of other such verses, has anything whatsoever to do with God or with all that is Holy. But that's just me. I'm sure it makes Satan smile when people say such verses are from God, inspired or otherwise.
6/17/2017 10:16:34 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	LUKE CLV 24 For even as the lightning, flashing out from here under heaven to there under heaven, is shining, thus will be the Son of Mankind in His day." 25 Yet first He must be suffering many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And according as it occurred in the days of Noah, thus will it be in the days of the Son of Mankind also." 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they took out in marriage, until the day on which Noah entered into the ark, and the deluge came and destroys them all." 28 Likewise, according as it occurred in the days of Lot, they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built." 29 Yet on the day in which Lot came out from Sodom, fire and sulphur rains from heaven and destroys them all." 30 In accord with these will it be on the day in which the Son of Mankind is unveiled. 34 I am saying to you, in this night there will be two on one couch; the one shall be taken along and the other shall be left." 35 There will be two grinding at the same place; the one shall be taken along, yet the other shall be left." Not sure why you posted the verses. As I said in the post above yours, "It seems to me that these verses, Luke 17:34-35 and Matthew 24:40, and any others like them could easily be referring to a celestial evacuation of us to a "New Earth." I posted them because of your scripture reference. and that there are examples of others [day's] where destruction came for us to see so we can see it coming when it is time for Christ to return. it is a good indicator of the times we are in based upon when God sent destruction upon Soddom and Ghomorrow, or the day of Noah. the scripture I added shows Christ was here that time to suffer and this next time to be a thief taking 1 and leaving 1.
6/17/2017 4:18:57 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	Quote from followjesusonly: But you did say it when you said, "Christianity doesn't claim that the Bible was "authored by God and is thus, infallible." "Christianity" is a single entity, the way you have used it, a monolith. Again, I never said Christianity was "infallible." You are putting words into my keyboard and I would appreciate you stop doing that. There is no one here who has claimed that Christianity is "infallible," except maybe ludlow. You seem very confused.
6/17/2017 8:39:21 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	bigd says: "You seem very confused." As do you, bigd. As do you.
6/17/2017 10:46:04 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	* A confused bigd says: "There is no one here who has claimed that Christianity is "infallible," That was never the subject. The subject was the bible being infallible, and there are Christians who will say that. I never said anything about Christianity being infallible. You are the confused one, not me. What I want to know is, do you believe what Paul said, absolutely, that "All scripture is inspired by God," or not? Do you? Yes? No? What? Do you believe that Isa 36:12 was inspired by God? What do you say? But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV If you believe that it, and ALL scripture is inspired by God, can you tell us how that verse relates to God and to all that is Holy? Does the verse inspire you the way some say it apparently inspired someone to write? Is it from God, do you believe, by inspiration or otherwise? And what is good about that verse that is "beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act."? Can you say? Where exactly do you stand on this? Can you clear this up? You're the bible guy, not me. State your position on this and defend it. Do you believe that Isa 36:12 was inspired by God, and that "all scripture is inspired by God..."?
6/18/2017 10:22:54 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	Quote from followjesusonly: Anyway, we don't claim that our book was authored by God and is thus, infallible, the way you Christians do about yours. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was authored by God... CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was "infallible." These are unfounded claims born of ignorance. And there is no monolith.
6/18/2017 9:43:46 PM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012 online now!	* bigd says: I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was authored by God... CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was "infallible." These are unfounded claims born of ignorance. And there is no monolith. You need to get out more. Get your nose out of that nutty CLV cult bible you read and mix with the people, with regular, real Christians. You're out of step with them and you don't even believe in the Trinity. And you did not respond to one thing I posted. You dodged it all. Again, here it is. Please don't dodge it: Do you believe what Paul said, absolutely, that "All scripture is inspired by God," or not? Do you? Yes? No? What? You need to come clean on this and stop beating around the bush. Do you believe that Isa 36:12 was inspired by God? What do you say? Would you blaspheme God and attribute that vulgar verse to His inspiration and associate it with all that is Holy? But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV If you believe that it, and ALL scripture is inspired by God, can you tell us how that verse relates to God and to all that is Holy? Does the verse inspire you the way some say it apparently inspired someone to write? Is it from God, do you believe, by inspiration or otherwise? And what is good about that verse that is "beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act."? Can you say? Where exactly do you stand on this? Can you clear this up? You're the bible guy, not me. State your position on this and defend it. Do you believe that Isa 36:12 was inspired by God, and that "all scripture is inspired by God..."?
6/19/2017 8:12:21 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	yawn Quote from followjesusonly: Anyway, we don't claim that our book was authored by God and is thus, infallible, the way you Christians do about yours. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was authored by God... CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was "infallible." These are unfounded claims born of ignorance. Urantia is not considered Christian by the Christian community. It is considered occult. Like I said before, obsessive compulsive.
6/19/2017 8:21:37 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Revelation is being fulfilled --- Wait! Is that revelation or Karma?
6/19/2017 10:13:53 AM	Revelation is about to be fulfilled
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from followjesusonly: * bigd says: I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was authored by God... CLV 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act. I have never heard anyone say that the Bible was "infallible." These are unfounded claims born of ignorance. And there is no monolith. You need to get out more. Get your nose out of that nutty CLV cult bible you read and mix with the people, with regular, real Christians. You're out of step with them and you don't even believe in the Trinity. And you did not respond to one thing I posted. You dodged it all. Again, here it is. Please don't dodge it: Do you believe what Paul said, absolutely, that "All scripture is inspired by God," or not? Do you? Yes? No? What? You need to come clean on this and stop beating around the bush. Do you believe that Isa 36:12 was inspired by God? What do you say? Would you blaspheme God and attribute that vulgar verse to His inspiration and associate it with all that is Holy? But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV If you believe that it, and ALL scripture is inspired by God, can you tell us how that verse relates to God and to all that is Holy? Does the verse inspire you the way some say it apparently inspired someone to write? Is it from God, do you believe, by inspiration or otherwise? And what is good about that verse that is "beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness, that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act."? Can you say? Where exactly do you stand on this? Can you clear this up? You're the bible guy, not me. State your position on this and defend it. Do you believe that Isa 36:12 was inspired by God, and that "all scripture is inspired by God..."? in your ignorance, and defiance of the bible and scriptures, you try to argue when there is nothing to argue about. The scriptures, are events, things that happened, or conversations that took place, that were inspired to be written down. That does not mean that God, inspired these things to happen or to be said. Rabshakeh was not a prophet and was not under the inspiration of God to say these things, but the writer was inspired of God to record what was taking place and what had been said. Plainly put, if God inspired you, to quote a conversation between you and bigd, that does not mean God inspired either of you to say the things said, the only thing he inspired was the quoting of the conversation. Yes, I believe all scripture is inspired, for reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness

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