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reginamc
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Quote from annamally:
Its soooooo sad to see all those people in the streets ....... Starving !!!


I know, I see them all the time in Walmart, waddling down the chip aisle .. oh sorry, you said starving ....

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shylywilling
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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
YOU just made the case for widespread private ownership.
I am sorry, it is likely my poor writing skill that has you confused.

Equal stake is not the same thing as identical stake. To each his/her daily needs.

When one visits the home of family, in such an environment one can be quite productive. I realize that most families have been corrupted by the influence of private property capitalism. Do you advocate billing your children for the services of parenting? LOL. We, as capitalists are there now but as capitalists, we cunningly disguise it so well, most are not aware of the peril's eminent encroachment and peril to our civilization. The family unit is the foundation of a civilization and private property capitalism erodes harmonious partnerships, even the most sacred and critical.

6/27/2017 12:58:39 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

shylywilling
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Quote from texasproud52:
Not before the caught the capitalism flu bug...before that millions of them starved...
Not the wealthy ones with the authority. These capitalists lived in palaces and incredible excess while depriving those that depended on being served by their officials. Typical private property capitalist created disaster. The globe has never lacked the available resources of all 7 billion to thrive and then contribute each citizen's unique individual contribution, (harmless intent).

1 percent controls 90 percent of the current available resources leaving 99 percent of the global population just 10 percent of the available resources to compete for Darwinian style.

At this ratio of resource distribution, our endeavor at civilization is not serving 99 percent of us better then no law at all would.

6/27/2017 3:08:53 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

pento4
Norman, OK
48, joined Mar. 2017


Quote from condor_0000:
No, I've pointed out the bottom line. If people get fed under capitalism, that's fine. If people starve under capitalism, well, that's fine, too. On the other hand, you've only made a vague observation accompanied by an unsupported declaration.

I've offered proof that capitalists don't give a rats a** about starving people. At the point that capitalism can either tax rich capitalists and feed people, or let people just starve, capitalism, by it's own nature, must let those people starve. What's the point of firing workers, replacing them with robots so capitalist you can make lots more money, and then allowing yourself to be heavily taxed to pay for food and shelter for the workers you fired?

No, capitalism demands that you demonize those workers, blame those workers, declare those workers to be "losers," and then just let them f**king starve. And everybody can recognize that as exactly the right-wing's game plan.




i have pointed out many times, if you love socialism so much why not move out of your moms basement to a socialist country? but you wont because it is easier to b*tch and point fingers rather than put your money where your mouth is,,,you know, either shit or get off the pot

6/27/2017 3:13:29 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

pento4
Norman, OK
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Quote from shylywilling:
Not the wealthy ones with the authority. These capitalists lived in palaces and incredible excess while depriving those that depended on being served by their officials. Typical private property capitalist created disaster. The globe has never lacked the available resources of all 7 billion to thrive and then contribute each citizen's unique individual contribution, (harmless intent).

1 percent controls 90 percent of the current available resources leaving 99 percent of the global population just 10 percent of the available resources to compete for Darwinian style.

At this ratio of resource distribution, our endeavor at civilization is not serving 99 percent of us better then no law at all would.



tell us old wise man,,when was the last time you seen someone die of starvation here in the god 'ol us of a,,,,,,NEVER, Capitolism, you know the places where even the poor are fat

if you starve here it is because you are a complete dumb ass, it is virtuously impossible to starve here

6/27/2017 3:43:13 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

louie6332
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Café, you say: “”We had plenty of food and farms with our own fresh vegetables until Monsanto came along and the politicians made some fkn deals with importing food with pesticides. Killed dogs from their fkn grain imports with 8 pesticides in it.”

Café, I saw photos of pastures in Texas littered with dead cattle that had died from grazing on GMOed grass. The ranchers could not have been too happy about that. That is a nightmare situation, how do you keep the GMOed grass from spreading and contaminating the good grass? I did not even know they had GMOed grass at the time. The Federal Government ought to have the hell sued out of them for approving that stuff. And the sad thing is that Monsanto knew the danger. It was the buddy system at work. The FDA, which was claimed to be to protect Americans, is being used to deliberately harm Americans. The same is true of other Federal agencies such as the EPA. All of these agencies are unconstitutional, get rid of them all.

Shyly deceitful, oh ye perpetual bullhorn of Liberation Theology, you clueless, useful idiot to your Marxist masters, you say: “I only know of two attempts at such a society [a socialist society], one is documented as the garden of Eden and it succumbed to the temptation of private property, in attempt to give offspring the advantage of leverage. The other we pretend well enough to give you a clue of what it should, could, and would be like, without the evil selfish inspirations private property dividing us. The supposed family unit.”

First, family units. Children in the family have the use of the family property and resources for necessities when they are growing up in the family as dictated by the parents, but the property does not legally belong to them, their name is not on the deed, nor do they automatically inherit the property when they parents pass, that is up to the parents as dictated by their will. Furthermore, when children are given Christmas presents by their parents or whomever, they own the present. But you know all this already. In a family unit, the parents own the property and the children own whatever presents are given to them. So private property does exist in family units.

Second, you are constantly preaching the Marxist propaganda of Liberation Theology, which attempts to divert Christianity to the Marxist cause. Accordingly, you constantly preach that Capitalism is the great sin of Adam and Eve, that the forbidden fruit growing on The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil represented Capitalism. But you are wrong. The story of the Garden of Eden does not even mention “capitalism”, the word is not there. You are sticking your words into the mouth of God, but when you do that, it is no longer God's word, but your word.

The cardinal rule of exegesis is to take the Bible literally unless it is clear from the context that it is to be taken otherwise, and when it is figurative, the meaning of the figures are typically given in the passage, this rule springs directly from the premise that God is a God of Truth, he does not lie, does not mislead, he says what he means and means what he says. The tree in the Garden of Eden was an actual tree that grew in an actual Garden, and the fruit on the tree was fruit. It was forbidden by God to eat of it because it had the power to make men their own gods, knowing good and evil. When Adam and Eve ate of it, they were separated from God and became their own gods (which is a no-no with God, for he has said in no uncertain terms: “I am the Lord thy God, I am a jealous God, and I will have no other gods before me!”.All this, the story of Adam and Eve and the Garden, is to be taken literally.

Look Shy , as I have pointed out to you before, God did not forbid the private ownership of property, private capitalism; in fact, he strictly commanded man: “Thou shalt NOT covet thy neighbor’s wife, and thou shalt NOT covert they neighbor’s goods”. God is here forbidding men, not only from stealing their neighbor’s goods, but from even coveting their neighbor’s goods. Does this sound to you like God is outlawing private capitalism here? And no, these are not God’s ten suggestions, these are his COMMANDMENTS, and he takes his commandments seriously. Too bad you don’t. And stop putting your words into God's mouth. We are not interested in hearing what you would have had God said.

Shyly deceitful, Stop bastardizing the Bible and preaching the Marxist doctrine of Liberation Theology and return to God while that is still possible. And stop posting in the Christian forum, you don’t belong there. You are supposed to be a Christian to post there, that’s the rule. And no, pretending to be a Christian does not satisfy the rule.

Take the Bible literally, those who interpret the Bible literally tend to agree with one another on what it means, because the literal interpretation tends to be unique. On the other hand, there are potentially as many allegorical reinterpretations of the literal meaning as there are people, so allegorical interpretations are NOT unique, and those who allegorically interpret it often tend NOT to agree. Literal interpretation is objective, allegorical interpretation is wholly subjective.

Those who do not want to believe what it says invariably allegorize it. Don’t believe that the Bible is to be taken literally? Then look at the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, becoming part of the historical record. In every single one of these cases it has been the literal fulfillment that has proven correct. There is no such thing as an allegorical fulfillment of divine prophecy. That bears repeating: There is no such thing as an allegorical fulfillment of divine prophecy.

Louie

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progrocknic
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Quote from pento4:
tell us old wise man,,when was the last time you seen someone die of starvation here in the god 'ol us of a,,,,,,NEVER, Capitolism, you know the places where even the poor are fat

if you starve here it is because you are a complete dumb ass, it is virtuously impossible to starve here


Just another reason real change will never happen. Not enough people are actually starving to make anyone feel the need to make drastic change. And it's no different than with climate change. The oceans aren't boiling and our lives haven't gotten any harder yet, so no need to change anything.

We only change things after tragedies. Fatal flaws in aircraft designs aren't fixed until after a few airliners fall out of the sky and kill hundreds of people. We didn't see any need to change airport security until someone stole some planes and flew them into buildings. If an entire state had a gigantic portion of people actually starving, maybe we would make a change. But there are too many safety nets for us to feel any immediate concern.

6/27/2017 4:47:14 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

starfox22
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Quote from dmolark:
that's easy. it's socialism because then you can force the landowners to feed people or don't get themselves fed like stalin did with millions of ukrainians during the 1930s when he was during urban planning. also with collectives the people will help each other and not compete for best parts of the market or chicken. let's see, what else. there's a few other things too.


HOLODOMOR I wonder if good old Bernie has ever heard of this?

6/27/2017 5:27:27 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  
waltree
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So! The COLD WAR! Continues?
COMMUNIST, Verses CAPITALIST!

HOW? Is Beating THAT! Dead HORSE! HELPING us Now?

Science and Technology: Is The "SYSTEM" That Makes More FOOD! AVAILABLE To More People!

POLITICIANS! Do Not CARE About ANYTHING: BUT THEMSELVES!

6/27/2017 6:45:33 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

shylywilling
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Quote from waltree:
So! The COLD WAR! Continues?
COMMUNIST, Verses CAPITALIST!

HOW? Is Beating THAT! Dead HORSE! HELPING us Now?

Science and Technology: Is The "SYSTEM" That Makes More FOOD! AVAILABLE To More People!

POLITICIANS! Do Not CARE About ANYTHING: BUT THEMSELVES!


Private property was forbidden because once one has taken private ownership of property this one has become a private agent of self and in all circumstances from then on this individual will be absolutely loyal to a default priority of self.

This has immediately made a falsehood, (all capitalists, (individual agents of private property) are liars by default, even on an island alone)), of any and all pledges to partnerships, oaths of loyalty, etc...

That's right even your mother, actually especially your mother, (eve), as a property owner, will likely toss your life away before her own. Naturally this conflicting interest to her natural role of nurturing her womb is breeding and creating some conflicted offspring.

My country is the United States of America, but I do not own it. Nor do I own a wife louie.

6/27/2017 6:49:19 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  
mz_jeannie_baby
Rochester, MI
57, joined Sep. 2012


Quote from progrocknic:
Just another reason real change will never happen. Not enough people are actually starving to make anyone feel the need to make drastic change. And it's no different than with climate change. The oceans aren't boiling and our lives haven't gotten any harder yet, so no need to change anything.

We only change things after tragedies. Fatal flaws in aircraft designs aren't fixed until after a few airliners fall out of the sky and kill hundreds of people. We didn't see any need to change airport security until someone stole some planes and flew them into buildings. If an entire state had a gigantic portion of people actually starving, maybe we would make a change. But there are too many safety nets for us to feel any immediate concern.


Good post.

Yet as was pointed out by a thread we are reactive not proactive as a country.

It's this idea the gov. has some devious plan within the enforcement of regulations, but they are put in place AFTER the factor that required them to be into place, ain't that the truth?

Statements in this thread that no one can go hungry in this country unless they are a complete moron is false.

In typical fashion their world relies upon themselves, (me, I,) not taking into consideration the homes where children do go to bed hungry when parents are not taking the responsible actions to care for them. Drugs can be involved, the circumstances are for another topic, but do not tell me it does not happen.

Here forth any policies, tax cuts, health care, nutrition, (in schools or for elderly) that do not take into account the most vulnerable are immoral. Even decent republicans (all 3 of them) see it.

6/27/2017 6:57:45 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

shylywilling
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A chain is only a good as it's weakest link.

6/27/2017 7:00:06 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  
fallguy02379
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Quote from texasproud52:


lol

why are birthers so gullible?

you really think this happened?

did sheriff Joe tell you this also?



gullible or naive?....you pick which one you are

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testsignup
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Quote from texasproud52:
what has changed in China last 30 years? Capitalism...look at South Korea and what they have done last 60 years...Capitalism.


Wait a minute. Quoting you from earlier in this very thread:

Quote from texasproud52:
test I did not say more people in a country I said more people.


Now suddenly you are switching your argument around, and you want to play the other direction.

So which of your statements was false?

This thread which you started, isn't about anything but HOW MUCH FOOD IS AVAILABLE TO MORE PEOPLE. Not about how many non-food items are being produced and sold to other countries.

And by the way, China still DOES NOT OPERATE UNDER CAPITALISM. They are still a Communist Dictatorship. They have indeed changed HOW they manage their still entirely socialist economy.

Are you now saying that you see Chinese Socialism as the way to go?

Here's MY main point: it isn't the name on the door of the rulers meeting house that decides availability of food to people. What matters are the exact details that they follow in handling their food systems and distribution.

If you were to carefully tally up all the occurrences of starvation that have ever occurred in the world, you would find that by far the greater number of such occurrences were NOT under Socialist regimes. Most were Capitalist.

HOWEVER. This is NOT because capitalism causes food supply problems. Nor is it because Socialism PREVENTS food supply problems. It IS true, that just as guns don't kill people, people kill people, sometimes using guns; so too, neither capitalism nor socialism causes food shortages. But some Capitalists cause food shortages, and some Socialists cause food shortages.

The main reason why far more food shortages have occurred in capitalist countries, is because there have been very few Socialist countries.

There have been fewer food shortages caused by mismanagement by governments, than there have been caused by natural disasters, but there are MORE food shortages which have been caused by CAPITALIST mismanagement, than by Socialist mismanagement.

Again, this is NOT because either capitalism or socialism cause food shortages.

6/27/2017 7:24:41 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  
amusicluvr
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No one in Switzerland is starving.

6/27/2017 9:55:32 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

louie6332
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Progo, you say: “We didn't see any need to change airport security until someone stole some planes and flew them into buildings.” And you say: “it's no different than with climate change. The oceans aren't boiling and our lives haven't gotten any harder yet, so no need to change anything.”

Progo, you’ve been brainwashed by ministry of propaganda fake news. You are unbelievably gullible. The Towers were brought down by our own government as a false flag operation with planted demolitions, not by planes. Who is going to protect us from our own Federal Government? And man made climate change is just as fake as increased airport security. Thanks to Hillary Clinton, young military aged Muslim men are let through airports today without pat downs or searches of any kind while little old White lades, grandmothers, and children are sexually moleste4d and patted down. And I, for one, resent the holy hell out of that.

Shylydeceatful, you say: “Nor do I own a wife louie.” Shy, married husbands and wives belong to each other. Oh, I know, I know, you prefer a society in which husbands freely share their wives with all other men, that’s the socialist way. Right Shy? Shy, in my personal opinion, with your attitude, and your inability to think aright, you are unlikely to ever have a wife.

Louie

6/27/2017 9:59:15 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

pento4
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Quote from amusicluvr:
No one in Switzerland is starving.


nope,,,just brutally raped by the muslims

6/27/2017 11:12:25 PM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

shylywilling
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Chuckle.
Shylydeceatful, you say: “Nor do I own a wife louie.” Shy, married husbands and wives belong to each other. Oh, I know, I know, you prefer a society in which husbands freely share their wives with all other men, that’s the socialist way. Right Shy? Shy, in my personal opinion, with your attitude, and your inability to think aright, you are unlikely to ever have a wife.

Louie


Predictably adolescent capitalist.

Insults. Tactic of efficiently competing. Kinda lazy but very effective, which is why it is the go to when threatened with a perceived threat, (competition). The intent is to weaken the opponent to compensate for low expected outcome, which is a low self esteem. You don't even believe in your self Louie. I am not surprised though. You are typical of a private property capitalist hypocrite even in your home.

Slavery. The dragon's seventh head that is still live and well. Ownership of the womb, children, spouses, etc..is it any wonder a private property capitalist will discard other's lives and the planet's as long as he/she gets what she/he wants in exchange?

Private property capitalism is the enemy of state, especially one such as America's which promises an equal value voice to each and all.

What was meant to be of the people by the people for the people within our resource management system of private property has become slavery. Of the advantaged by the advantaged for the advantaged.



[Edited 6/27/2017 11:14:01 PM ]

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texasproud52
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Quote from testsignup:
Now suddenly you are switching your argument around, and you want to play the other direction.

So which of your statements was false?

This thread which you started, isn't about anything but HOW MUCH FOOD IS AVAILABLE TO MORE PEOPLE. Not about how many non-food items are being produced and sold to other countries.

And by the way, China still DOES NOT OPERATE UNDER CAPITALISM. They are still a Communist Dictatorship. They have indeed changed HOW they manage their still entirely socialist economy.

Are you now saying that you see Chinese Socialism as the way to go?

Here's MY main point: it isn't the name on the door of the rulers meeting house that decides availability of food to people. What matters are the exact details that they follow in handling their food systems and distribution.

If you were to carefully tally up all the occurrences of starvation that have ever occurred in the world, you would find that by far the greater number of such occurrences were NOT under Socialist regimes. Most were Capitalist.

HOWEVER. This is NOT because capitalism causes food supply problems. Nor is it because Socialism PREVENTS food supply problems. It IS true, that just as guns don't kill people, people kill people, sometimes using guns; so too, neither capitalism nor socialism causes food shortages. But some Capitalists cause food shortages, and some Socialists cause food shortages.

The main reason why far more food shortages have occurred in capitalist countries, is because there have been very few Socialist countries.

There have been fewer food shortages caused by mismanagement by governments, than there have been caused by natural disasters, but there are MORE food shortages which have been caused by CAPITALIST mismanagement, than by Socialist mismanagement.

Again, this is NOT because either capitalism or socialism cause food shortages.
test it does not matter they are socialist, it is capitalism that got China where it is today and it is capitalism that has made more food available for more people.



[Edited 6/28/2017 2:43:45 AM ]

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flatheadone
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I always have plenty of food I grow 80% of what I eat and as long as I have ammo to keep others from taking what I have I'll continue to have plenty of food to eat.

6/28/2017 6:26:44 AM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  
condor_0000
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Quote from flatheadone:
I always have plenty of food I grow 80% of what I eat and as long as I have ammo to keep others from taking what I have I'll continue to have plenty of food to eat.


I'm more the modern-day hunter-gatherer-capitalist type. Like America's ruling-class does in the Middle East, I prefer to just kill people like you who have food that I covet (for the ruling-class, it's oil wealth, of course, that they covet) and then sell that food to other people at a significant markup, providing myself with plenty of money to go eat at the finest restaurants and live in luxury. Woo hoo for the criminality of capitalism and the wonderful things it does for those who aren't afraid to do lots of killing and stealing.



[Edited 6/28/2017 6:27:15 AM ]

6/28/2017 6:26:59 AM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  
mz_jeannie_baby
Rochester, MI
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and it is capitalism that has made more food available for more people.


and it is the government that makes sure it gets to your mouth.

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), also known as the Agriculture Department, is the U.S. federal executive department responsible for developing and executing federal laws related to farming, agriculture, forestry, and food. It aims to meet the needs of farmers and ranchers, promote agricultural trade and production, work to assure food safety, protect natural resources, foster rural communities and end hunger in the United States and internationally.
Approximately 80% of USDA's $140 billion budget goes to the Food and Nutrition Service (FNS) program. The largest component of the FNS budget is the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as the Food Stamp program), which is the cornerstone of USDA's nutrition assistance..................


somewhere in between.

6/28/2017 7:42:45 AM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

testsignup
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Quote from texasproud52:
test it does not matter they are socialist, it is capitalism that got China where it is today and it is capitalism that has made more food available for more people.


So you don't care about facts, you simply declare that if something good happens, it's capitalism, and if it doesn't it's socialism.

You still haven't dealt with the fact that more people have starved under capitalism than under socialism.

6/28/2017 8:40:53 AM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  
Mercedes_3
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Australia

6/28/2017 8:41:04 AM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

stargazzer
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1. hands down, nothing feeds the world better than Capitalism

6/28/2017 10:43:08 AM “Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl | Page 3  

shylywilling
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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
and it is the government that makes sure it gets to your mouth.

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), also known as the Agriculture Department, is the U.S. federal executive department responsible for developing and executing federal laws related to farming, agriculture, forestry, and food. It aims to meet the needs of farmers and ranchers, promote agricultural trade and production, work to assure food safety, protect natural resources, foster rural communities and end hunger in the United States and internationally.
Approximately 80% of USDA's $140 billion budget goes to the Food and Nutrition Service (FNS) program. The largest component of the FNS budget is the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as the Food Stamp program), which is the cornerstone of USDA's nutrition assistance..................

somewhere in between.


A noble and appropriate aim for any endeavor at civilization, and one that the USA has a great seed for in the living creation that is supposed to be governing by written intention. However a Darwinistic resource management system such as private property capitalism is, the effort is rendered to quite the opposite effect. Of the advantaged by the advantaged for the advantaged. The model below of our systems are accurate.

We have 20 racers that split into two separate groups for ten-lap timed qualifying races. The ten in group-A beat and bang their way all the way to the checker flag and some may not even make it while even the winner has been damaged and progress and performance slowed. Group-B runs nose to tail like a freight train right to and beyond the checker. Not even a scratch at the finish on any of the ten competitors in group-B. The winner of Group A has a slower qualifying time/speed then even the last place competitor in the unblemished cooperatively aerodynamically advantaged group B.

Group-A displayed Laissez faire capitalism and raced only for personal victory at all cost even at a personal risk sustained damage in effort to beat and or eliminate competitors. Group-B displayed the democratic Christian communist principle. One for all and all for one. The entire group-B outperformed even the winner of group-A.

The entire group of capitalists do not qualify in the top ten performers. All ten democratic communists survive and thrive.

Cast of Characters

Group A: (Embryo of gods)

1st place through 9th place.....The elite one percenters. They start up front in the newest and most advanced proven equipment and are virtually unchallenged the entire race. Includes some passengers which otherwise would not be in this group. Senior public and corporate administrative executives. The Vatican.

10th place......The other ninety nine percent of the population. Various stages of upper middle economic classes, surplus labor, economically disenfranchised and physically disadvantaged classes. The enslaved classes. Many in this group have no idea that they are limited to at best the front seat of the last car by the deliberate intentions and leverages of the one percent advantaged. Many have been tricked into believing that they are unfairly limited by and supporting their fellow enslaved passengers in the back seat instead of the one percent. Nobody in this car can enjoy the ride as it is a constant uncivil battle to just maintain a seat in hopes of an enjoyable ride.


Group B: (Infant of LORD God)

Equal citizens of civilization. Mature, evolved, and survived. Without private property ownership, the motive for firearms is virtually eliminated.

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urealysucklol
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The Indian way,
Plus they took care of the
Land,

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texasproud52
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Quote from testsignup:
So you don't care about facts, you simply declare that if something good happens, it's capitalism, and if it doesn't it's socialism.

You still haven't dealt with the fact that more people have starved under capitalism than under socialism.
that is bullshit test just a few decades ago people were dying of starvation by the millions in Asia what has changed in Asia since then?



[Edited 6/28/2017 6:48:54 PM ]

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mz_jeannie_baby
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The entire group of capitalists do not qualify in the top ten performers. All ten democratic communists survive and thrive.


I think I now know where you're coming from. "and they shared everything in common"..

the thing is they owned something to share.

it's a faulty idea to believe they didn't own anything in the first place to share, you should not take what the worker 'owns' for common place, especially if it is his livelihood, you would protect what the worker owns for the sake of his 'right' to own.

true democratic socialism would benefit the common good though.

look at the parable of the vineyard 'owner'...he provided jobs with good pay even for those that came into the field late. The ones that had been working since daybreak were ticked thinking it wasn't fair.

the parable wasn't meant to focus on the jealousy of the workers who had worked all day, it was meant to demonstrate the generosity of the owner, a hint for all those in any sort of power.

if you own two coats, give one..isn't that how it goes?

currently our government owns a lot of federal land. It's for the enjoyment of the common good, everyone can hike it, camp, and enjoy it. but you cannot farm it or live on it, and it should stay that way. Republicans have talked about selling it and privatizing it..you know only the wealthy would then own it, bad idea.

private ownership entitles the little guy autonomy to provide for himself and benefit in some way the common good.

"sharing in common" means sharing what you own. you're off track with what social democracy is.

Trump wanted to bull-doze a womans home for his new casino parking lot, it's an actual court case. According to Trump, the eye sore would be better gone and replaced with something beautiful....$$$

you're off track.

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progrocknic
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Quote from texasproud52:
that is bullshit test just a few decades ago people were dying of starvation by the millions in Asia what has changed in Asia since then?


Asia makes everything. Why does this country keep losing manufacturing jobs to Asia?

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texasproud52
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Quote from progrocknic:
Asia makes everything. Why does this country keep losing manufacturing jobs to Asia?
globalism

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annamally
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Quote from progrocknic:
Asia makes everything. Why does this country keep losing manufacturing jobs to Asia?



$$$$$$$$$ ....

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condor_0000
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Quote from texasproud52:
globalism


Those damned, stinkin' leftists keep exporting our better-paying jobs to slave-waged locations around the world. Oh, if only good, loving, patriotic capitalists owned corporations instead of evil commies, why America would be a paradise.

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progrocknic
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Quote from texasproud52:
globalism


Which is fueled by capitalism.

What's funny is that China is one of 4 counties in the world that mentions socialism in their constitution. The communist party also holds power currently. So why would you attribute their success to capitalism?

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scoobs78
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Quote from texasproud52:
The answer is obvious...this thread is to weed out the feeble minds.


Starting with the OP!

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louie6332
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Jeannie, you are under the impression that Federal parks and such belong to the American people. But that would be false. If that were the case, when the Federal government charges companies to mine ore off the land or drill for oil off the land or cut timber off the land for lumber or whatever, at least part of that money would go to the American people. But it doesn’t, it goes to the government, and they count it as part of their revenues. And some of these places charge entrance fees, and that goes to the Government, You don't get any part of that. And if you want to hunt or fish in the Federal park, the Government charges you license fees to do that. Licenses are government permission to do whatever you are doing. So again, it’s not your land, it’s the government’s land. The State of Alaska is an exception to this rule, they actually give Alaska residents part of the money the State of Alaska makes off the land.

You can’t even take gold or precious stones you find in a Federal park off the land in most cases without being charged with a crime. If any part of that land belonged to the people, that would not be the case. It belongs to the Federal Government.

Louie

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shylywilling
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Quote from louie6332:
Jeannie, you are under the impression that Federal parks and such belong to the American people. But that would be false. If that were the case, when the Federal government charges companies to mine ore off the land or drill for oil off the land or cut timber off the land for lumber or whatever, at least part of that money would go to the American people. But it doesn’t, it goes to the government, and they count it as part of their revenues. And some of these places charge entrance fees, and that goes to the Government, You don't get any part of that. And if you want to hunt or fish in the Federal park, the Government charges you license fees to do that. Licenses are government permission to do whatever you are doing. So again, it’s not your land, it’s the government’s land. The State of Alaska is an exception to this rule, they actually give Alaska residents part of the money the State of Alaska makes off the land.

You can’t even take gold or precious stones you find in a Federal park off the land in most cases without being charged with a crime. If any part of that land belonged to the people, that would not be the case. It belongs to the Federal Government.

Louie


I hope these words will some day sink in to a few. Of the people by the people for the people within a system of private property resource management is of the advantaged/leveraged, by the advantaged leveraged, for the advantaged leveraged.

Until you understand this you do not understand enough about society to advise a dog.

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shylywilling
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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
I think I now know where you're coming from. "and they shared everything in common"..

the thing is they owned something to share.


No they do not. We have been given stewardship of all by the creator of all. Understand the word "midst" as public domain and then read genesis story of Eden.

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shylywilling
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(Gen 2:9) And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

I think many stumble with the concept of no private property because they perceive this the same as no possession of property.

The key law that governs such in early Eden, (utopian society), is a harmless intent, which sounds much too simple but it is not.

Except for the current one percent elite most could easily have in his/her possession much more then currently if one wanted to and could justify it as harmless. Most would simply just have in possession what each needs to flourish vibrantly and little more.

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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from shylywilling:
No they do not. We have been given stewardship of all by the creator of all. Understand the word "midst" as public domain and then read genesis story of Eden.


YES they do. IF U wanna look at Genesis it was given to them!~ To Be a good steward encompassing responsibility of the land and all that it has to offer......Further on down the line HE gave the Israelites land (If you wanna go there)

You agree with Louie, but he would see nothing wrong in privatizing it and seeing it raped by corporations (the only one's that could afford it anyways) into something for profit and unrecognizable. In the case of federal land the government IS preserving it with a belief in conservation!~

Why would you wanna see some widow loose her farm? Is that what you believe?

You obviously don't believe that men can handle a parcel (no matter how small)...WIDESPREAD ownership is far better than corporate monopoly ownership.

You also don't see anything wrong with the scenario of Trump taking that womans home in an actual case.

That was HER private property, for Christ's sake, get a grip!!!



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shylywilling
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Within a unanimous harmless intent.

Hypothetically if my family had been homesteaded on Alcatraz since hundreds of generations but now the interest has arisen to turn it into a resort that all can utilize and enjoy.

By democratic principle the least harmful use is preferred. Can my family be relocated somewhere else? Can a resort be located somewhere else? The least harmful most beneficial outcome will likely have me and mine packing but not without the least harmful compensation, ie.. suitable location and logistical assistance etc...

Suppose someone wants to farm widgets. What ever resources available to achieve this is made available to this individual, or group. However without a need for widgets on hand, the endeavor may be in danger of a harmful intent, waste. And would not be acceptable to repeat the harm if in fact it produced more waste then societal benefit.

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louie6332
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Uh, concerning Federal lands. They, the Federal Government (or the Bureau of Land Management) claim that they are preserving the land in the name of conservation, but a number of points: First, the Federal Government is severely limited by the Constitution in how much of land within a State that it can own. The Constitution allows it to own a limited amount of land in states for military forts, naval ports, and such. But it owns a huge amount of land in many of our Western States. That what the armed Bundy Ranch standoff back in 2014 was all about. The Federal Government was driving cattlemen who had long standing grazing rights on Federal land out of business in order, it turns out, to sell the land to foreign nations for a huge profit. Senator Harry Reid, you know, dirty Harry, stood to profit handsomely from that deal. So they were taking rights away from cattle ranchers to sell the land, at a huge, huge profit, to private foreign companies to mine gold and such. A(And Federal land takeovers in other Western States followed, and also met opposition). There is a movement afoot in Western States to reclaim State lands unconstitutionally owned by the Federal Government. The Constitution does not give the Federal Government the right to own land in the name of conservation or in the name of preserving endangered species or whatever. The rights of the Federal Government are explicitly stated in the US Constitution and rights not listed there “are reserved to the States and the people”. The right to own land in States is severely limited by the Constitution both as to the amount of land and the use of the land.

Jeanne, you say: “YES they do. IF U wanna look at Genesis it was given to them!~ To Be a good steward encompassing responsibility of the land and all that it has to offer......Further on down the line HE gave the Israelites land (If you wanna go there)”. Excellent points Jeanne.

It has been foretold that after the Third World War, the population of the world be greatly reduced, and there will be two few people and too much land, especially in the West. And homesteading will come back. Anyone who wants land in those days can have it for free provided they homestead it. And that will be the way to go. Owning your own home and land enables you to live cheaply and independently. And in those days, the Earth, after a year or two, will become extraordinarily fertile and will bear in “overabundance”. There will be more food than anyone can use. The comforts and supports of civilization will be gone, and the economy will once again be agrarian, but there will be peace, world peace. And this will all occur because of the intervention of Mary at the command of God, who will intervene at the head of the Armies of Heaven to restore all things in Christ and crush the head of Satan,, the Ancient Serpent, after the demon has conquered the whole world.

So there's a big change coming after the Third World War virtually destroys civilization as we know it.

Louie

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shylywilling
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It is all about parenting. Private property inspires tyrannical individual agents of self that are ever less cohesive and civil requiring ever increasing resources and force to maintain society.

Eliminating private property ownership, which is true communism, democracy, the fundamental foundation of Christianity, creates individual patriots er God*, and we become self managed efficiently.

No one want's to be governed by wasteful force. No one. Knowing that everyone is looking out for one's interests first for the price of looking out for others first is incredibly empowering. We are not even currently one tenth of our potential.

*God is an agent of Lord God which does not appear until Gen 2:4 because this is the point mankind recognized more then a benign agent of force such as natural evolution. It is also when the first organized society appeared, Eden.

King David and Jesus confirmed, together as one, we are the children of Lord God which is to say an embryonic agent of Lord God.