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Everyone works for a wage !!! The " living" YOU make out of it .... Is your issue !



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While we may have the most per capita overweight people, it is certainly not exclusive to the USA,people world wide are getting fatter,something we should not be proud of.




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Quote from 61falcon:
While we may have the most per capita overweight people, it is certainly not exclusive to the USA,people world wide are getting fatter,something we should not be proud of.
more food becoming avalible because of...capitalism.

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condor_0000
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Quote from texasproud52:
you will starve...


And by "you" you mean the billions of people whom capitalism will have discarded. Just as we all thought. Ask right-wing capitalism-lovers the right questions and they will tell you themselves that they fully support letting the masses starve.

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texasproud52
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Quote from condor_0000:
And by "you" you mean the billions of people whom capitalism will have discarded. Just as we all thought. Ask right-wing capitalism-lovers the right questions and they will tell you themselves that they fully support letting the masses starve.
millions of Asians were starving to death 40 years ago but now millions are coming out of poverty because of what? Lets say it together...capitalism.

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condor_0000
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Here's the capitalist plan: First they're going to throw billions of people out of work. Then, they're going to blame all those billions of people for being out of work. Then they're going to call those people "losers." Then, they're just going to let those "losers" f**king starve.

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Quote from texasproud52:
millions of Asians were starving to death 40 years ago but now millions are coming out of poverty because of what? Lets say it together...capitalism.



i think you are missing the bigger picture here though.

just because liberals point out corporate greed doesn't mean they are anti-capitalists

imagine if corporations paid there fair share of the tax burden , instead of having their workers taken up the burden??....more money in OUR pockets is a good thing for the economy

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fallguy02379
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Quote from texasproud52:
more food becoming avalible because of...capitalism.


The Greatest Threat to Global Food Security: Capitalism

https://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/18011-the-greatest-threat-to-global-food-security-capitalism

Corporations Own our Food Supply

From seed to supermarket, every stage of industrialized food production is owned, managed and manipulated by corporate conglomerates whose annual profits hover in the billions of dollars, more money than many developing nations' entire GDPs. Giant multinational corporate entities like Cargill, Nestle, Monsanto, ConAgra and Archer Daniels Midland have carefully crafted and promoted economies of scale that allow them to dominate domestic and international markets in such a way that only a handful of companies now control both price and supply.

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We had plenty of food and farms with our own fresh vegetables until Monsanto came along and the politicians made some fkn deals with importing food with pesticides. Killed dogs from their fkn grain imports with 8 pesticides on it.

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Quote from fallguy02379:
The Greatest Threat to Global Food Security: Capitalism

https://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/18011-the-greatest-threat-to-global-food-security-capitalism

Corporations Own our Food Supply

From seed to supermarket, every stage of industrialized food production is owned, managed and manipulated by corporate conglomerates whose annual profits hover in the billions of dollars, more money than many developing nations' entire GDPs. Giant multinational corporate entities like Cargill, Nestle, Monsanto, ConAgra and Archer Daniels Midland have carefully crafted and promoted economies of scale that allow them to dominate domestic and international markets in such a way that only a handful of companies now control both price and supply.


Example of cap. gone wrong. so is the idea it's capitalism itself that is the problem.

love this topic.

WE went for the cheapest, WE did this to ourselves, the grapes I just bought are from Mexico. oh well.

The problem is not and has never been too much capitalism, the problem is too few Capitalists.

love this topic.

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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
Example of cap. gone wrong. so is the idea it's capitalism itself that is the problem.

love this topic.

WE went for the cheapest, WE did this to ourselves, the grapes I just bought are from Mexico. oh well.

The problem is not and has never been too much capitalism, the problem is too few Capitalists.

love this topic.


I think the biggest problem is people who constantly f**k over the less fortunate to get ahead in life. And we elected a guy who built his whole empire doing just that. We are our own worst enemy, and we are f**king retarded.

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Yasureoktoo
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rich capitalists create jobs.

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Quote from Yasureoktoo:
rich capitalists create jobs.


Middle class small business owners create sustainable jobs.

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annamally
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Quote from progrocknic:
Middle class small business owners create sustainable jobs.


Until they raise the minimum wage to $15 and hour .....

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Quote from annamally:
Until they raise the minimum wage to $15 and hour .....


Every small business I was involved with already paid their employees more then $15 an hour. I did. The contractors I worked with did. Home Depot did not, and they managed to destroy two very large countertop companies in my area. As a small business owner, I was hoping for years they would increase the minimum wage so I didn't have to try to compete with cheap service because of their low wages and even shittier contracts with builders.

Hence the whole sustainable job creating. You'll almost never see a middle class business owner take his business over seas to increase profits, but you see it every day with large corporations.



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annamally
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Quote from progrocknic:
Every small business I was involved with already paid their employees more then $15 an hour. I did. The contractors I worked with did. Home Depot did not, and they managed to destroy two very large countertop companies in my area. As a small business owner, I was hoping for years they would increase the minimum wage so I didn't have to try to compete with cheap service because of their low wages and even shittier contracts with builders.

Hence the whole sustainable job creating. You'll almost never see a middle class business owner take his business over seas to increase profits, but you see it every day with large corporations.


Say hello to kiosks and tablets ... Goodbye to service workers .

Say thank you to $15 an hour minimum wage ....

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Quote from annamally:
Say hello to kiosks and tablets ... Goodbye to service workers .

Say thank you to $15 an hour minimum wage ....


The big question is, why do we have people working worthless jobs when we invented machines that can do them? I kind of thought that was the point of technology, to make life easier.

Besides, who would you rather take your order, someone who might speak your language sometimes, and couldn't land a better job than one worth minimum wage, or a machine that is incapable of a mistake?



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shylywilling
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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
Complete nutso.

You never take away private property.

EVER!~
Why do you believe that?

Private property capitalists do not create jobs, they create profits, (opportunities) for his/her personal private consumption by extorting/enslaving the opportunities of others.

The model.. Initially taking advantage of a leverage, (accumulated resources, capital, many/most cases un-earned inherited advantage), to trap the efficiency of mass production which if we could isolate just the effect of this efficiency would be a benefit to a society as a whole. More consistent quality and less cost per unit then one off production.

However, it is not the private property capitalist's intent to just benefit his/her fellow mankind and through the rising tide benefit self too. The private property capitalist is motivated by the selfish quest and belief he/she is entitled to further compensation by way of advantage over his/her fellow man, and hence inevitably demands it in the form of profits followed by the furthering of this advantage by reducing the cost to produce. Henry Ford was quite a character and understood the cost of reducing the workforce buying power he counted on. The inevitable norm however is to reduce cost by reducing quality and cost of production/labor...labor....labor....

The result is always the same, inequality becomes so drastic the birth pain anguish causes the society to revolt and give birth to the death of the society.

Towers of bable to make a name for them selves as gods. Uh-oh, it fell. Eden no more, they/we just couldn't resist the temptation and lure of private property leveraged advantage, (the forbidden fruit), until we unanimously agree to communism, there can be no successful civilization because a house divided always falls.

Ancient Egypt gone by way of the birth pains of private property inequity. Ancient Greece, and contemporary for that matter, crashed. Ancient Babylon gone, inequity? Of course. Ancient Rome, typical. The next one will be a global chain reaction. (H)Armageddon.

So explain why you think we are special and can survive the hypocritical paradigm of a house divided by individual agents of self or should just give up and let Darwinism reign until we exterminate our societies/species?

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Quote from progrocknic:
The big question is, why do we have people working worthless jobs when we invented machines that can do them? I kind of thought that was the point of technology, to make life easier.

Besides, who would you rather take your order, someone who might speak your language sometimes, and couldn't land a better job than one worth minimum wage, or a machine that is incapable of a mistake?


If it didn't cost the businesses $15 an hour to hire someone ....

( and add on the increases in Insurance , WC , unemployment , +++ )

They wouldn't have had to bother investing $$$$ into alternatives to , at the very least maintain their current income .

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America feeds the world. Without us these third world dictatorship countries would starve to death.

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annamally
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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
America feeds the world. Without us these third world dictatorship countries would starve to death.


Well , it won't be long before that ends ... Illinois is bankrupt , whose next ?

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I was just blocked by prog lol hahah YES!

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annamally
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Quote from jitssbaby617:
I was just blocked by prog lol hahah YES!


So was I ! Lol , the truth hurts .... Poor baby .

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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from progrocknic:
Middle class small business owners create sustainable jobs.


True enough.

@ shywilly.

In response to your question of why private property (widespread) is a must is the idea that surrounds monopolies. You've heard the saying, 'too much of anything isn't good' Its true.

you fight the conglomerates, but despise widespread property ownership which includes everything from a workman's tools of trade to his acreage of land?

These items are his livelihood and the ability to work for himself and provide for himself, and when the time is ripe possibly open employment to others.

When everything is owned by 1 or 2 or 3% of the wealthiest individuals, WE work for a 'wage' instead of working for a living.

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annamally
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" When everything is owned by 1 or 2 or 3% of the wealthiest individuals, WE work for a 'wage' instead of working for a living.
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mz_jeannie_baby
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Trump supports eminent domain 'abuse,' says conservative Club for Growth

By Lauren Carroll on Wednesday, October 7th, 2015

Slinging any pebbles they can find at the larger-than-life Donald Trump, some Republicans are taking the real estate mogul to task over his support for a legal concept called eminent domain.

Eminent domain is the government’s power to seize private property in order to make way for public development projects, such as highways or schools. Some conservatives oppose eminent domain because they see it as a breach of property rights. A recent ad by Club for Growth, a conservative anti-tax group, attacks Trump for his support of the practice and a related 2005 Supreme Court decision.

"The Supreme Court’s Kelo decision gave the government massive new power to take private property and give it to corporations," the ad’s narrator says. "Conservatives have fought this disaster. What’s Donald Trump say about the decision?"

The narration cuts to audio of Trump giving an interview to Fox News. "I happen to agree with it 100 percent," Trump said.

The narration picks back up: "Trump supports eminent domain abuse because he can make millions while we lose our property rights."

Is Trump an eminent domain supporter, and does he agree with the Kelo vs. New London, Conn. decision that many conservatives deride?

Club for Growth described it as "eminent domain abuse" -- but whether the practice counts as abuse is a matter of opinion......................................

Funny though.

cons would like nothing better than to see our National Parks sold off to private buyers. So much for the anthem of This land is your land, this land is my land
From the California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me.

We need to keep it that way.

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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from annamally:
" When everything is owned by 1 or 2 or 3% of the wealthiest individuals, WE work for a 'wage' instead of working for a living.
"

Everyone works for a wage !!! The " living" YOU make out of it .... Is your issue !


If you work a job you love you'll never work a day in your life. I see no reason people cannot do what they enjoy instead of a self-imposed prison where there is no opportunity and the 'wages' are poor. I give credit to the Saint of drudgery, personally I have hard with it, I have to find meaning to my work because there is not much time I am not working and I would imagine I'm not alone.

Poor is a state and a matter of mind.

Personal freedom is a choice that ownership can create, surely a conservative such as yourself could understand that.

Not impressed with wealth. One can be wealthy to the tens, and be a complete arsehole. hahahaha



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annamally
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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
If you work a job you love you'll never work a day in your life. I see no reason people cannot do what they enjoy instead of a self-imposed prison where there is no opportunity and the 'wages' are poor. I give credit to the Saint of drudgery, personally I have hard with it, I have to find meaning to my work because there is not much time I am not working and I would imagine I'm not alone.

Poor is a state and a matter of mind.

Personal freedom is a choice that ownership can create, surely a conservative such as yourself could understand that.

Not impressed with wealth. One can be wealthy to the tens, and be a complete arsehole. hahahaha


You CAN work a job you love .... AND move up the ladder ... IF , you can rise to the expectations of that job .

Most people can't ! IF you can't ... You end up on the bottom of the ladder and then fired !

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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from annamally:
You CAN work a job you love .... AND move up the ladder ... IF , you can rise to the expectations of that job .

Most people can't ! IF you can't ... You end up on the bottom of the ladder and then fired !


Most people can't not because they lack the ability to do so. The truth is there are many stories of persons that found their all in their nothingness.

the corporate ladder when dealing with fools that value nepotism, cronyism, profit lines at all costs are not MY desire.

You'll have to excuse me as I wasn't talking about how to climb a corporate ladder, been there, done that.

I was talking about finding a contentment that doesn't equate to money.

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shylywilling
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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
True enough.

@ shywilly.

In response to your question of why private property (widespread) is a must is the idea that surrounds monopolies. You've heard the saying, 'too much of anything isn't good' Its true.

I don't understand your point of proving my case. When no one owns private property no one can accumulate the leverage to enslave, ie.. (monopoly, (too much)).

you fight the conglomerates, but despise widespread property ownership which includes everything from a workman's tools of trade to his acreage of land?

I do not advocate depriving anyone possession and stewardship of any daily needs to achieve his/her harmless intents, but rather the opposite. Without private property influencing an inequitable distribution of resources, (excessive hoards in control and idled by just one percent of the population while the other 99 percent is competing Darwinistically for the remaining ten percent of the globe's available resources, no one would be lacking any daily need to pursuit each individual's maximum potential as a harmless citizen of civilization.

These items are his livelihood and the ability to work for himself and provide for himself, and when the time is ripe possibly open employment to others.

Provided he can pay the capitalist his extorted priofit/opportunities. If not, the capitalist will soon be labeling him a deadbeat etc.... Unwanted burden.

When everything is owned by 1 or 2 or 3% of the wealthiest individuals, WE work for a 'wage' instead of working for a living.

See you do get it, without private property ownership the individuals cannot accumulate this kind of leverage, nor would anyone want to which is the key note to why no private property is required. The removal of private property personal ownership eliminates our selfish motives dividing us and preventing us from blossoming in a vivid bloom of our potential as individuals and a harmoniously prospering species. Not just one percent of us but all of us together.


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annamally
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Quote from mz_jeannie_baby:
Most people can't not because they lack the ability to do so. The truth is there are many stories of persons that found their all in their nothingness.

the corporate ladder when dealing with fools that value nepotism, cronyism, profit lines at all costs are not MY desire.

You'll have to excuse me as I wasn't talking about how to climb a corporate ladder, been there, done that.

I was talking about finding a contentment that doesn't equate to money.


So .... They found there all in their nothingness ??

Maybe you should have had a bigger desire to exceed ?

Instead of lose ....

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shylywilling
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Quote from annamally:
So .... They found there all in their nothingness ??

Maybe you should have had a bigger desire to exceed ?

Instead of lose ....
Only private property capitalists think selfishness a good virtue, at least, until they are led into a ditch by an agent of self masquerading as a civil servant. And then they watch their glorious Rome burn to ash.

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mz_jeannie_baby
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The removal of private property personal ownership eliminates our selfish motives dividing us and preventing us from blossoming in a vivid bloom of our potential as individuals and a harmoniously prospering species. Not just one percent of us but all of us together.


Let me talk to you real personal like. Not all private property that is owned is owned by selfish greedy bastards, some are actually real people that utilize their private property for the common good and make a living from their private property. From a barber shop to an architectural firm, makes no difference. They're not working for 'the man' and can create their own way with the ability to do so afforded them by means of ownership.

If you consider work (or call it labor if you like) a gift, like something you can give (like I do) you make it happen from somewhere or something which is possible with private ownership.

This concept should be widespread and not limited to the wealthy.

Best I can describe it.

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annamally
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Quote from shylywilling:
Only private property capitalists think selfishness a good virtue, at least, until they are led into a ditch by an agent of self masquerading as a civil servant. And then they watch their glorious Rome burn to ash.


Get some mental help ...

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Communist China grows and produces more food than any other country in the world!!

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annamally
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Quote from 61falcon:
Communist China grows and produces more food than any other country in the world!!


Ya ... At $15 bucks an hour ... We can't afford to produce our own food !

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shylywilling
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Thank you, I really appreciate the efforts you have been putting forth here in this string. You make some good points without making a good case at all for private property.

Think of communism as if it were a company that each and every citizen owns an equal stake of. No one owns more then an equal share of the output and everything and everyone is supplied as if an equipped work station. I have been very very productive in such a company work station and yet, I owned none of it except my effort. I am not alone in this phenomenon. Many have been productive as stewards of daily resources supplied to them for free use but not owned.

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Quote from shylywilling:
Thank you, I really appreciate the efforts you have been putting forth here in this string. You make some good points without making a good case at all for private property.

Think of communism as if it were a company that each and every citizen owns an equal stake of. No one owns more then an equal share of the output and everything and everyone is supplied as if an equipped work station. I have been very very productive in such a company work station and yet, I owned none of it except my effort. I am not alone in this phenomenon. Many have been productive as stewards of daily resources supplied to them for free use but not owned.


WTF are you talking about?

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shylywilling
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Quote from 61falcon:
Communist China grows and produces more food than any other country in the world!!


LOL. Don't you ever wonder how a nation of more then three times the population of the USA can foster their own stock market and still be considered communist?

Russia was not communist either and all that wealth still exists and is still in control of capitalists, albeit even more shady and dark, then traditional capitalists have become. The Vatican, the Swiss banks, Russian capital, what do you suppose all that accumulated wealth is doing these days, sitting idle and not effecting us in silent ways?

Anamally-Remarks like nut job, get some help, etc.. is not a good debate technique. It appears a lazy cop out to actually doing the work of rising to the challenge.

A very typical response from capitalists. Flame the character of your perceived opponent and it would take much less effort if one is challenged to perform. Look below, you'll find your in the back seat of the last place car.

Private property capitalism is the "forbidden fruit" and is the enemy of state.

I have been given unto a parable to share.

We have 20 racers that split into two separate groups for ten-lap timed qualifying races. The ten in group-A beat and bang their way all the way to the checker flag and some may not even make it while even the winner has been damaged and progress and performance slowed. Group-B runs nose to tail like a freight train right to and beyond the checker. Not even a scratch at the finish on any of the ten competitors in group-B. The winner of Group A has a slower qualifying time/speed then even the last place competitor in the unblemished cooperatively aerodynamically advantaged group B.

Group-A displayed Laissez faire capitalism and raced only for personal victory at all cost even at a personal risk sustained damage in effort to beat and or eliminate competitors. Group-B displayed the democratic Christian communist principle. One for all and all for one. The entire group-B outperformed even the winner of group-A.

The entire group of capitalists do not qualify in the top ten performers. All ten democratic communists survive and thrive.

Cast of Characters

Group A: (Embryo of gods)

1st place through 9th place.....The elite one percenters. They start up front in the newest and most advanced proven equipment and are virtually unchallenged the entire race. Includes some passengers which otherwise would not be in this group. Senior public and corporate administrative executives. The Vatican.

10th place......The other ninety nine percent of the population. Various stages of upper middle economic classes, surplus labor, economically disenfranchised and physically disadvantaged classes. The enslaved classes. Many in this group have no idea that they are limited to at best the front seat of the last car by the deliberate intentions and leverages of the one percent advantaged. Many have been tricked into believing that they are unfairly limited by and supporting their fellow enslaved passengers in the back seat instead of the one percent. Nobody in this car can enjoy the ride as it is a constant uncivil battle to just maintain a seat in hopes of an enjoyable ride.


Group B: (Infant of LORD God)

Equal citizens of civilization. Mature, evolved, and survived.



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shylywilling
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Quote from cherisays:
WTF are you talking about?
Chuckle. I could explain again but then you would have to read it and we would just be at the same impasse now except I would then be the foolish one.

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annamally
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" Anamally-Remarks like nut job, get some help, etc.. is not a good debate technique. It appears a lazy cop out to actually doing the work of rising to the challenge. "

Have YOU risen to the challenge ?

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shylywilling
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Annamally. I would like to think I offered more effort explaining my assertions then just an adolescent defamation of the writer(s) I am responding to or addressing. However I am human and also likely influenced by the intoxicating selfish pursuits of an indoctrinated capitalist, so perhaps I slipped and did not notice. It is truly difficult to fly like an eagle within a chicken coop so if I soiled someone personally, show me, if I can I will always remedy that which shames us.

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annamally
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Shy .... Say what ???

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texasproud52
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Quote from 61falcon:
Communist China grows and produces more food than any other country in the world!!
Not before the caught the capitalism flu bug...before that millions of them starved...

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fallguy02379
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Well , it won't be long before that ends ... Illinois is bankrupt , whose next ?


4 states have worse credit scores..........and yes all 4 are run by republicans.....just sayin

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pento4
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Quote from testsignup:
None of the above, or all of them is the correct answer.

More food is available to more people when it is provided to more people. Less food is available to more people, when some of them are too poor to pay for it, and the society involved insists that no money means no food.

There have generally been fewer starving people in the nominally socialist countries, but a greater variety of choices of what to eat in the more capitalist ones, though lots of people starve in the capitalist ones.

There hasn't been a PURE capitalist country or a pure socialist country on the planet for a long time now, so that's going to be an impediment to your making any serious headway proving anything one way or another comparing the two systems.



The only way to starve in America is if you are a idiot,,,food is very plentiful and every city in this country has 3 4 5 6 shelters that feed twice a day and that is not even counting the salvation army that feeds the destitute in every city or the churches that feed (granted on designated days)
Hell 25 years ago i was playing the homeless game in san jose california and i ate more being homeless than i ever did with my own place and a job

typical day

wake up at the shelter 6am and have free coffee and breakfast,,catch the bus with my month long buss pass that was only $5.00 because i was homeless
hang at the homeless park a couple hrs, then at 10:30 walk 2 blocks to the Salvation Army to get in line for lunch served 7 days a week at 11:30..go back to the homeless park,,pretty much every day around 2 or 3 a church showed up passing out sac lunches,,about 4:30 or 5 catch the bus with my homeless bus pass back to the shelter to be let in at 6:00 and served dinner, then around 9ppm snacks handed out,, lights out at 10:30,,,get up tomorrow and do the same thing again.

It is impossible to starve in this country unless you are a complete moron,,and that is a insult to the morons, because even they had the shit figured out how to work it



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condor_0000
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Quote from texasproud52:
Not before the caught the capitalism flu bug...before that millions of them starved...


Yep. Because capitalism is all about providing for people's needs. Profits are just a side issue that no capitalist really cares about at all. As we all know, our altruistic capitalist daddies will eagerly tax themselves to whatever degree is necessary to feed the hungry and provide for the sick.

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Congressional Budget Office report: Senate bill will strip 22 million of health insurance
By Barry Grey
27 June 2017
World Socialist Web Site
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/27/heal-j27.html

Excerpt:

The bulk of the money saved by condemning tens of millions of people to sickness and an early death will be handed over to the rich in the form of more than $700 billion in tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from shylywilling:
Thank you, I really appreciate the efforts you have been putting forth here in this string. You make some good points without making a good case at all for private property.

Think of communism as if it were a company that each and every citizen owns an equal stake of. No one owns more then an equal share of the output and everything and everyone is supplied as if an equipped work station. I have been very very productive in such a company work station and yet, I owned none of it except my effort. I am not alone in this phenomenon. Many have been productive as stewards of daily resources supplied to them for free use but not owned.


YOU just made the case for widespread private ownership.

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texasproud52
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Quote from condor_0000:
Yep. Because capitalism is all about providing for people's needs. Profits are just a side issue that no capitalist really cares about at all. As we all know, our altruistic capitalist daddies will eagerly tax themselves to whatever degree is necessary to feed the hungry and provide for the sick.

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Congressional Budget Office report: Senate bill will strip 22 million of health insurance
By Barry Grey
27 June 2017
World Socialist Web Site
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/27/heal-j27.html

Excerpt:

The bulk of the money saved by condemning tens of millions of people to sickness and an early death will be handed over to the rich in the form of more than $700 billion in tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.
You don't care that millions of people have come out of poverty during the last 30 years because of capitalism...

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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from pento4:
The only way to starve in America is if you are a idiot,,,food is very plentiful and every city in this country has 3 4 5 6 shelters that feed twice a day and that is not even counting the salvation army that feeds the destitute in every city or the churches that feed (granted on designated days)
Hell 25 years ago i was playing the homeless game in san jose california and i ate more being homeless than i ever did with my own place and a job

typical day

wake up at the shelter 6am and have free coffee and breakfast,,catch the bus with my month long buss pass that was only $5.00 because i was homeless
hang at the homeless park a couple hrs, then at 10:30 walk 2 blocks to the Salvation Army to get in line for lunch served 7 days a week at 11:30..go back to the homeless park,,pretty much every day around 2 or 3 a church showed up passing out sac lunches,,about 4:30 or 5 catch the bus with my homeless bus pass back to the shelter to be let in at 6:00 and served dinner, then around 9ppm snacks handed out,, lights out at 10:30,,,get up tomorrow and do the same thing again.

It is impossible to starve in this country unless you are a complete moron,,and that is a insult to the morons, because even they had the shit figured out how to work it


YOU just made the case for charity which does not fall under the umbrella of capitalism.

When people speak of capitalism on this site they are referring to an economical and social ideology of "working hard" so you can provide for yourself.

The title of this thread is "Under what economic system is there more food available to more people"....what you've described would not exactly be likened to a capitalist system if ya know what I mean....




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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from annamally:
So .... They found there all in their nothingness ??

Maybe you should have had a bigger desire to exceed ?

Instead of lose ....


I don't need to exceed to succeed.

Actually no one does when you learn to live with less you're sometimes much happier.

A wise old woman told me when I'm on my deathbed someday I will not be wishing I would have worked more, but I might be wishing I would have spent more time with family or enjoying the things I love. Wise indeed.

funny, when you learn to live with less you begin to love it. it then appears to you, you have so much.

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condor_0000
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Quote from texasproud52:
You don't care that millions of people have come out of poverty during the last 30 years because of capitalism...


What I've repeatedly pointed out to you is the tremendous contradiction between the beliefs of you capitalists and your claims about capitalism feeding people. You have passed on offering any comment on the fact that capitalists would never accept an increase in their taxes to pay for food for the victims of their greed.

When the day comes that capitalists have replaced 70% or more of workers with machines, they will just let those people starve. What's the point of using machines to increase profits through discarding workers who require a paycheck that will allow them to purchase food and shelter if you then must be heavily taxed to provide those now-unemployed people food and shelter?

We have plenty of proof from the comments and actions of you right-wing capitalists that your approach to the victims of capitalism is to first blame them for capitalists f**king the royal shit out of them. You further demonize these victims by calling them all "losers." Then you demand that any government funding that serves to alleviate their suffering be eliminated in favor of tax cuts for rich capitalists. And we are all supposed to look to you greedy pig-f**kers to feed the world's people? Give me a break!

We've all seen how capitalism treats the millions of refugees that their imperialist wars create. They demonize the refugees, deny them anywhere to go, and then shrug their shoulders when those refugees begin to die off.

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condor_0000
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Bernie Sanders is not a socialist. He's a capitalist who claimed to be a socialist in order to rally support for his capitalist, Democratic-Party BFFs. The question to be asked is, why do capitalists all over the world continue to pretend to be socialists? Answer: the ruling-classes are keenly aware that the world's people hate the rapefest of capitalism and yearn to return to their natural roots of socialism.

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mz_jeannie_baby
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Quote from condor_0000:
Bernie Sanders is not a socialist. He's a capitalist who claimed to be a socialist in order to rally support for his capitalist, Democratic-Party BFFs. The question to be asked is, why do capitalists all over the world continue to pretend to be socialists? Answer: the ruling-classes are keenly aware that the world's people hate the rapefest of capitalism and yearn to return to their natural roots of socialism.


according to fact check the innuendo is false....on his own government website he does stand beside a red car (an electric one, not an audi) but to each his own.

when you need dishonesty to put forth your point it's at that point you've lost your point.

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condor_0000
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Is Bernie Sanders a socialist?
By Tom Hall and Barry Grey
16 July 2015
World Socialist Web Site
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/16/sand-j16.html

Excerpts:

The growth of support for the campaign of the “socialist” Bernie Sanders is an indication of the leftward shift of broad layers of the American population. The senator from Vermont, who calls himself an independent but caucuses with the Democrats, is seeking to tap into popular anger over ever-rising social inequality by placing the issue at the center of his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

In his campaign speeches, he declares that income inequality is “the great moral issue of our time” and attacks the greed of the “billionaire class,” while calling for the restoration of “the once-great American middle class.”

Support for Sanders is all the more significant given that anti-communism has served as the bedrock of official politics in the United States for more than 70 years. From the McCarthyite witch-hunts and Hollywood blacklists of the 1950s, through the triumphalism that accompanied the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, socialism has been effectively banned from official political discourse in the United States.

Broad layers of the population, particularly young people, are alienated and disaffected from the political establishment and its two right-wing parties of big business. Voter turnout in the 2014 mid-term elections was a mere 36.3 percent, the lowest in over seven decades.

Recent polls give an indication of the depth of this sentiment. According to a Pew Survey, the portion of the voting-age population that identifies with neither of the two major parties has reached a record-high 39 percent. A Gallup poll last month found that fully 47 percent of respondents were willing to vote for a socialist for president.

Many people are looking for alternatives to the existing political and economic order, which offers nothing but inequality, war and escalating attacks on democratic rights. For this reason, Sanders’ “socialism,” far from being a liability, has actually contributed to his popularity. Young people, in particular, are intrigued by the prospect of a socialist presidential candidate.

But is Bernie Sanders really a socialist? This question raises a related one: What are the basic principles of socialism?

Internationalism: Since the publication of the Communist Manifesto in 1848, which proclaimed, “Workers of the world, unite!” the socialist movement has been an international movement. Engels described the International Workingmen’s Association as “the first international movement of the working class.”

The basic orientation of bourgeois politics is nationalism, according to which workers should identify their interests with those of the nation, which, of course, is ruled by the capitalist class. To this, socialism counterposes the perspective and program of working class internationalism, stressing the identity of interests of workers of all countries, races, religions, etc., who are objectively united in a common struggle against the capitalists of all countries.

Socialism strives to unite the workers of all countries on the basis of a common revolutionary program and stresses that the struggle to put an end to capitalist exploitation and establish socialism is, by its very nature, an international struggle. Socialism opposes all attempts to scapegoat or discriminate against immigrants and rejects all forms of nationalist or racial politics, which serve to divide the working class.

Bernie Sanders is not an internationalist. He is an American nationalist. He is a consistent advocate of economic nationalism and protectionism, which seek to place the onus for layoffs and unemployment in the US on the workers of other countries. By virtue of his “America First” politics, he seeks to line up American workers behind “their” American exploiters and in opposition to their class brothers and sisters in other countries. He has long agitated, in particular, against China, opposing trade deals from a chauvinist standpoint.

Sanders opposes the Obama administration’s Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) from a right-wing, nationalist standpoint. The proposed economic bloc is a reactionary initiative, part of American imperialism’s drive to isolate, militarily encircle and ultimately attack China. But Sanders does not oppose it on an anti-imperialist basis. Rather, he accuses the TPP of “undermining American sovereignty.”

For years, Sanders has attacked immigrant workers, accusing them of taking the jobs of American workers. He has sponsored multiple bills opposing the federal visa program, while supporting the immigration policy of Obama, who has deported more immigrants than any other administration in history. For his efforts, right-wing anti-immigrant talk show host Lou Dobbs called Sanders “one of the few straight-talkers in Congress.”

Social ownership of the means of production: The rational development of a complex global economy to benefit the world’s population is blocked by the anarchy of the capitalist market, which subordinates all decisions to the profit interests of a few. The American and world economy is dominated by a handful of banks and hedge funds whose operations are entirely parasitic and essentially criminal. The resources of the world, first and foremost, human labor, are subordinated to the drive of a narrow financial aristocracy to accumulate ever greater wealth. A necessary first step in the development of a planned economy geared to social need and the promotion of social equality is the expropriation of the major banks and corporations and their transformation into publicly owned and democratically controlled institutions.

The question of social ownership of industry and finance is not even mentioned in Sanders’ speeches. He talks about the “billionaire class,” but is careful not to speak of the capitalist class. His use of phrases such as the “billionaire class” and the “great American middle class” are indicative of the intellectual vacuity of his politics, which serves to conceal rather than reveal the underlying roots of social inequality and other social evils.

The term “billionaire class” has no scientific validity. Social class is determined not by the scale of wealth, but by the relationship of social layers to the basic economic structure of society. Sanders seeks to divert attention from the economic system on which obscene levels of personal wealth are based.

Similarly, talk of the “great American middle class,” a nebulous and essentially mythical construct, has long served to cover up and blur the basic division between the working class and capitalist class that dominates society.

Continued . . .



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condor_0000
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Continued . . .


None of Sanders’ programmatic demands touch on the private ownership and control of the main levers of economic life. His program is not only not socialist, it is not particularly left-wing. Democratic presidential platforms during the last great period of economic crisis, the 1930s, were far more radical. The 1936 platform, for example, pledged to make full use of the law “in stamping out monopolistic practices and the concentration of economic power.”

Sanders’ reform proposals—a $15 minimum wage, a federal jobs program—modest as they are, cannot be realized outside of a broad mobilization of the working class in opposition to the ruling class and both of its political parties. The Vermont senator promotes the illusion that they can be achieved within the framework of the Democratic Party and the capitalist system.

His most radical proposal is the breakup of the biggest banks, a reform measure that was carried out in isolated cases during the Great Depression as part of Franklin Roosevelt’s “New Deal” program, which was enacted for the purpose of saving capitalism from the threat of socialist revolution. Sanders knows, of course, that the Democratic Party of today, whose nomination he is seeking, would never carry out such a measure and has instead used the financial crash of 2008 to transfer trillions of dollars in public funds to Wall Street and strengthen the grip of the biggest banks on the economy.

Anti-imperialism: We continue to live in the epoch of imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism. Imperialism emerged at the end of the 19th century. Its main features were defined by Lenin during World War I as the monopolistic concentration of production, the domination of finance capital and economic parasitism, the great power striving for global geo-political and economic dominance, the oppression of weaker nations, and the universal tendency toward political reaction.

Lenin called imperialism the epoch of wars and revolutions. The irreconcilable contradictions—between global economy and the division of the world into rival nation-states, the basic geo-political framework of capitalism, and between socialized production and private ownership of the means of production—inevitably give rise to wars of colonial conquest and wars between rival imperialist powers. They also give rise to the objective conditions for the overthrow of capitalism by the working class.

Socialists oppose all wars waged by imperialist powers such as the United States and oppose all of the efforts of imperialism, whether by economic, political or military means, to subjugate and exploit poorer and weaker countries. Socialists place at the very center of their activities the development of a mass international working class movement against war, insisting that the prevention of a third world war is possible only on the basis of a revolutionary struggle to put an end to capitalism.

Sanders is a supporter of American imperialism. Although he boasts that he voted against the Patriot Act and the Iraq War, he has voted for numerous defense spending bills and has supported imperialist interventions under the guise of human rights, including the 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia and the current war against ISIS.

Sanders supported the US-led regime-change operation, spearheaded by neo-Nazis, that overthrew a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and installed a rabidly anti-Russian, right-wing government, which has carried out a bloody war against pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country. The US has used its puppet government in Kiev to carry out a massive US-NATO militarization drive in Eastern Europe, threatening the outbreak of war with nuclear-armed Russia.

Sanders supports this reckless and reactionary policy, portraying it as a defensive response to “Russian aggression.” In a 2014 television interview he declared, “The entire world has got to stand up to Putin.”

Sanders is also a staunch Zionist. He defended Israel’s barbaric war in Gaza last year. Video has emerged of Sanders at one of his public meetings shouting down and threatening protesters challenging his support for the state of Israel.

He is a supporter of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a next-generation warplane that has a unit price of $350 million and whose development has already cost $1 trillion. Sanders supports the basing of F-35s in Burlington, Vermont, where he served as mayor in the 1980s.

Social equality: Capitalism, which is predicated upon the exploitation of the working class, is incapable of providing economic security and a decent standard of living for working people. Even at its height during the post-World War II economic boom, American capitalism was characterized by massive discrepancies of wealth and income and widespread poverty.

The past 40 years have seen a vast decline in the global economic position of American capitalism. This has produced ever greater levels of social inequality, the result of a relentless attack on the living standards of the working class. This process is bound up with the dismantling of large parts of the country’s industrial infrastructure and the rise of a new financial aristocracy, which accumulates its wealth on the basis of non-productive, parasitic and semi-criminal activities.

Social inequality is not some aberration of capitalism, it is its essential feature.

Sanders, for all his populist rhetoric, defends capitalism and opposes the mass mobilization of the working class. On a host of issues, from public health care to mandated vacation time, Sanders holds up European countries as a model to be emulated—at a time when these countries are carrying out brutal austerity measures and dismantling the welfare state programs established after the Second World War. All that is necessary is that we “make better choices,” a recent statement on his web site declared.

Sanders avoids any concrete explanation of the social and political dynamics behind the growth of social inequality and the decades-long assault on the working class. He covers up the role played by the Democratic Party in this process.

On his web site, he declares that “the economy today is much better than when President George W. Bush left office.” In reality, the Obama administration has overseen the largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in American history. One Harvard study found that 95 percent of all income gains went to the wealthiest 1 percent of the country between 2009 and 2012.

The political independence of the working class: Socialism insists that the struggles of working people for decent jobs, wages, health care, education, housing, etc. are in essence political. The capitalist ruling class, by virtue of its control of the means of production, controls the political system. For the working class to free itself from economic exploitation, it must conduct a political struggle consciously directed at the taking of power and establishment of a workers’ government.

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texasproud52
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What I have continually pointed out was the bottom line which you do not care about because you are too busy obsessing about how much money other people make.

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condor_0000
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Quote from texasproud52:
What I have continually pointed out was the bottom line which you do not care about because you are too busy obsessing about how much money other people make.


No, I've pointed out the bottom line. If people get fed under capitalism, that's fine. If people starve under capitalism, well, that's fine, too. On the other hand, you've only made a vague observation accompanied by an unsupported declaration.

I've offered proof that capitalists don't give a rats a** about starving people. At the point that capitalism can either tax rich capitalists and feed people, or let people just starve, capitalism, by it's own nature, must let those people starve. What's the point of firing workers, replacing them with robots so capitalist you can make lots more money, and then allowing yourself to be heavily taxed to pay for food and shelter for the workers you fired?

No, capitalism demands that you demonize those workers, blame those workers, declare those workers to be "losers," and then just let them f**king starve. And everybody can recognize that as exactly the right-wing's game plan.

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shylywilling
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chuckle.

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annamally
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Quote from condor_0000:
No, I've pointed out the bottom line. If people get fed under capitalism, that's fine. If people starve under capitalism, well, that's fine, too. On the other hand, you've only made a vague observation accompanied by an unsupported declaration.

I've offered proof that capitalists don't give a rats a** about starving people. At the point that capitalism can either tax rich capitalists and feed people, or let people just starve, capitalism, by it's own nature, must let those people starve. What's the point of firing workers, replacing them with robots so capitalist you can make lots more money, and then allowing yourself to be heavily taxed to pay for food and shelter for the workers you fired?

No, capitalism demands that you demonize those workers, blame those workers, declare those workers to be "losers," and then just let them f**king starve. And everybody can recognize that as exactly the right-wing's game plan.


Its soooooo sad to see all those people in the streets ....... Starving !!!






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