you will starve...

more food becoming avalible because of...capitalism.

The Greatest Threat to Global Food Security: Capitalism

http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/18011-the-greatest-threat-to-global-food-security-capitalism

Corporations Own our Food Supply

From seed to supermarket, every stage of industrialized food production is owned, managed and manipulated by corporate conglomerates whose annual profits hover in the billions of dollars, more money than many developing nations' entire GDPs. Giant multinational corporate entities like Cargill, Nestle, Monsanto, ConAgra and Archer Daniels Midland have carefully crafted and promoted economies of scale that allow them to dominate domestic and international markets in such a way that only a handful of companies now control both price and supply.

Middle class small business owners create sustainable jobs.

Every small business I was involved with already paid their employees more then $15 an hour. I did. The contractors I worked with did. Home Depot did not, and they managed to destroy two very large countertop companies in my area. As a small business owner, I was hoping for years they would increase the minimum wage so I didn't have to try to compete with cheap service because of their low wages and even shittier contracts with builders.

Hence the whole sustainable job creating. You'll almost never see a middle class business owner take his business over seas to increase profits, but you see it every day with large corporations.

Complete nutso.

You never take away private property.

EVER!~

Middle class small business owners create sustainable jobs.

If you work a job you love you'll never work a day in your life. I see no reason people cannot do what they enjoy instead of a self-imposed prison where there is no opportunity and the 'wages' are poor. I give credit to the Saint of drudgery, personally I have hard with it, I have to find meaning to my work because there is not much time I am not working and I would imagine I'm not alone.

Poor is a state and a matter of mind.

Personal freedom is a choice that ownership can create, surely a conservative such as yourself could understand that.

Not impressed with wealth. One can be wealthy to the tens, and be a complete arsehole. hahahaha

True enough.

@ shywilly.

In response to your question of why private property (widespread) is a must is the idea that surrounds monopolies. You've heard the saying, 'too much of anything isn't good' Its true.

I don't understand your point of proving my case. When no one owns private property no one can accumulate the leverage to enslave, ie.. (monopoly, (too much)).

you fight the conglomerates, but despise widespread property ownership which includes everything from a workman's tools of trade to his acreage of land?

I do not advocate depriving anyone possession and stewardship of any daily needs to achieve his/her harmless intents, but rather the opposite. Without private property influencing an inequitable distribution of resources, (excessive hoards in control and idled by just one percent of the population while the other 99 percent is competing Darwinistically for the remaining ten percent of the globe's available resources, no one would be lacking any daily need to pursuit each individual's maximum potential as a harmless citizen of civilization.

These items are his livelihood and the ability to work for himself and provide for himself, and when the time is ripe possibly open employment to others.

Provided he can pay the capitalist his extorted priofit/opportunities. If not, the capitalist will soon be labeling him a deadbeat etc.... Unwanted burden.

When everything is owned by 1 or 2 or 3% of the wealthiest individuals, WE work for a 'wage' instead of working for a living.

See you do get it, without private property ownership the individuals cannot accumulate this kind of leverage, nor would anyone want to which is the key note to why no private property is required. The removal of private property personal ownership eliminates our selfish motives dividing us and preventing us from blossoming in a vivid bloom of our potential as individuals and a harmoniously prospering species. Not just one percent of us but all of us together.

So .... They found there all in their nothingness ??

Maybe you should have had a bigger desire to exceed ?

Instead of lose ....

Only private property capitalists think selfishness a good virtue, at least, until they are led into a ditch by an agent of self masquerading as a civil servant. And then they watch their glorious Rome burn to ash.

Communist China grows and produces more food than any other country in the world!!

Thank you, I really appreciate the efforts you have been putting forth here in this string. You make some good points without making a good case at all for private property.

Think of communism as if it were a company that each and every citizen owns an equal stake of. No one owns more then an equal share of the output and everything and everyone is supplied as if an equipped work station. I have been very very productive in such a company work station and yet, I owned none of it except my effort. I am not alone in this phenomenon. Many have been productive as stewards of daily resources supplied to them for free use but not owned.

WTF are you talking about?

Communist China grows and produces more food than any other country in the world!!

None of the above, or all of them is the correct answer.

More food is available to more people when it is provided to more people. Less food is available to more people, when some of them are too poor to pay for it, and the society involved insists that no money means no food.

There have generally been fewer starving people in the nominally socialist countries, but a greater variety of choices of what to eat in the more capitalist ones, though lots of people starve in the capitalist ones.

There hasn't been a PURE capitalist country or a pure socialist country on the planet for a long time now, so that's going to be an impediment to your making any serious headway proving anything one way or another comparing the two systems.

Thank you, I really appreciate the efforts you have been putting forth here in this string. You make some good points without making a good case at all for private property.

Think of communism as if it were a company that each and every citizen owns an equal stake of. No one owns more then an equal share of the output and everything and everyone is supplied as if an equipped work station. I have been very very productive in such a company work station and yet, I owned none of it except my effort. I am not alone in this phenomenon. Many have been productive as stewards of daily resources supplied to them for free use but not owned.

The only way to starve in America is if you are a idiot,,,food is very plentiful and every city in this country has 3 4 5 6 shelters that feed twice a day and that is not even counting the salvation army that feeds the destitute in every city or the churches that feed (granted on designated days)
Hell 25 years ago i was playing the homeless game in san jose california and i ate more being homeless than i ever did with my own place and a job

typical day

wake up at the shelter 6am and have free coffee and breakfast,,catch the bus with my month long buss pass that was only $5.00 because i was homeless
hang at the homeless park a couple hrs, then at 10:30 walk 2 blocks to the Salvation Army to get in line for lunch served 7 days a week at 11:30..go back to the homeless park,,pretty much every day around 2 or 3 a church showed up passing out sac lunches,,about 4:30 or 5 catch the bus with my homeless bus pass back to the shelter to be let in at 6:00 and served dinner, then around 9ppm snacks handed out,, lights out at 10:30,,,get up tomorrow and do the same thing again.

It is impossible to starve in this country unless you are a complete moron,,and that is a insult to the morons, because even they had the shit figured out how to work it