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7/6/2017 10:20:36 PM A Course in Miracles  
asanb
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An interesting discovery this evening......

"One day, she was at home, unable to sleep, and she
was actually feeling, hearing the words: "This is a
course in miracles. Please take notes."
She did not know what to do. That was quite startling. She called up Bill on the phone, and she said,
"You know that voice I told you about? It will not go away, and it is saying something very peculiar."
He said, "What is it saying?" And she told him: "This is a course in miracles. Please take notes."
He is a very pragmatic fellow. He said, "Well, you've been having interesting experiences which I've been taking down so we have a record of them. Why don't
you just do what it says? You take very fast shorthand. Why don't you just do it?"
So she did, and what she took down startled her a great deal, but the next morning she brought it into the office. Before the staff came in, they locked the door and pulled down the shades so no one should catch them at this. She actually read from her notebook to him what she had taken down, and he typed it up.
It was an introduction to A Course in Miracles.
It said: "This is a required course; only the time you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean you can establish the curriculum, only the time in which you need to take it."
It said the opposite of love is fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite. It also said the course could be summed up very simply this way: "Nothing real can be threatened, and nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God."
"Well, she was threatened. At that time she called herself a militant atheist, and he was an agnostic,
and here was something that mentioned G-O-D, and it just was
not in her vocabulary.
So he convinced her that it was beautifully written, and whatever it was, if it should happen again, to keep on doing it. That began a seven-year collaboration. An
y time she wished, when she was ready, she could pick
up her shorthand notebook and her pen, and literally start from where she left off before, without even checking what the book said. With Bill typing what
she had taken down every day,
A Course in Miracles came into being.
I asked Helen, the first day I met her, "Did the voice have a name? Did it identify itself, such as the Seth material and others?" She said, "I was afraid you were going to ask that," and Bill Thetford said, "Why don't
you tell her, dear? She is going to read it." And she said, "It says it is Jesus."

Judith Skutch Whitson, is the president of the Foundation for Inner Peace, the organization which published
A Course in Miracles
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7/6/2017 10:22:16 PM A Course in Miracles  
asanb
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you can look at the materials online or download for free at some related sites.

https://courseinmiracles.com/acim-resources/download-urtext-pdf-s/



I don't know what to make of it yet.

7/10/2017 11:08:26 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Quote from asanb:
you can look at the materials online or download for free at some related sites.

https://courseinmiracles.com/acim-resources/download-urtext-pdf-s/

I don't know what to make of it yet.


It's complete rubbish. ACIM, A Caligastia Instruction Manual.

"This is a required course; only the time you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean you can establish the curriculum, only the time in which you need to take it."

I had the book. The sentence above is as far as I got. I slowly closed the book and walked it out to the burn barrel and gave it a flaming send off.

This is complete bullshit and intimidation. It's NOT "a required course." That's the "choice point" in the book, very early on, where they make an assertion, and you are faced with a choice. Are you going to go for it, or not? Are you going to buy into the assertion, or not? It's like the Catholic assertion that "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation." You have to make a choice as soon as you hear that. Are you going to accept it, even momentarily, or not? If they say, "just accept it for the sake of argument," and you do, then you're probably screwed. There's lots of ways to get you to accept an unfounded assertion. It only takes a split second for the switch to be thrown in your mind. If you entertain the idea that "This is a required course," or that "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation," even for a second, you risk getting sucked in. These are powerful mind control techniques. If you accept that "This is a required course," where does that leave you? You have just obligated yourself to read it, if you accept that premise. If you accept that "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation," and you want to be saved, that leaves you with the obligation to join the Catholic church and believe everything they say from that point forward.

Mind games.

ACIM is not from Jesus.

7/11/2017 9:00:53 PM A Course in Miracles  
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It's complete rubbish. ACIM, A Caligastia Instruction Manual.

"This is a required course; only the time you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean you can establish the curriculum, only the time in which you need to take it."

I had the book. The sentence above is as far as I got. I slowly closed the book and walked it out to the burn barrel and gave it a flaming send off.

This is complete bullshit and intimidation. It's NOT "a required course." That's the "choice point" in the book, very early on, where they make an assertion, and you are faced with a choice. Are you going to go for it, or not? Are you going to buy into the assertion, or not? It's like the Catholic assertion that "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation." You have to make a choice as soon as you hear that. Are you going to accept it, even momentarily, or not? If they say, "just accept it for the sake of argument," and you do, then you're probably screwed. There's lots of ways to get you to accept an unfounded assertion. It only takes a split second for the switch to be thrown in your mind. If you entertain the idea that "This is a required course," or that "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation," even for a second, you risk getting sucked in. These are powerful mind control techniques. If you accept that "This is a required course," where does that leave you? You have just obligated yourself to read it, if you accept that premise. If you accept that "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation," and you want to be saved, that leaves you with the obligation to join the Catholic church and believe everything they say from that point forward.

Mind games.

ACIM is not from Jesus.


So you read the first page of the book, burned it and have a strong opinion that it isn't "from Jesus" although you didn't read it?

I guess I can't ask about any of the concepts put forward, or such, can I.

7/12/2017 12:02:12 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Quote from asanb:
So you read the first page of the book, burned it and have a strong opinion that it isn't "from Jesus" although you didn't read it?

I guess I can't ask about any of the concepts put forward, or such, can I.


If that was a question, no, not from me, not firsthand. I have read a couple of reviews of it by Urantians who have read it so I know what their take on it is. That, coupled with the "required course" nonsense did the job for me. Who requires ACIM be read as it says? You don't believe Jesus requires it, do you? I don't either. So we agree. But if you think that it's a "required course," required by someone important, perhaps Jesus as the book and the lore seem to imply, then you'd better read it. Knock yourself out.

Here's the first part of a fairly long article about "The Course," by a Urantia Book reader who seems to have read ACIM.

Why A COURSE IN MIRACLES Should Be Rejected
By Philip Eversoul
An article from the Urantian Sojourn, Spring-Summer 1995
 
Comparing Irreconcilable Teachings

The starting point in approaching ACIM-A purported revelation of pure truth-is to ask who wrote it.  It is easy to find that the author clearly implies he is Jesus Christ.  He mentions having been crucified (p. 85 text); he asserts he is in charge of the Sonship (p. 5 text) and of the Second Coming. (p.58 text) Having determined the author's claim to be Jesus or-at any rate-an ultimate authority on truth, the conscientious UB reader then seeks to find out how consistent the teaching of ACIM is with that of the UB in general and of Jesus in particular as portrayed in the UB.  It should not take long to discover that ACIM is utterly and totally irreconcilable with the UB.
First, ACIM denies the reality of everything under the category that UB readers know as" God the Supreme." ACIM denies the validity-the positive meaning-of time, space, growth, evolution, becoming, progress, levels of understanding, or gradual ascension through the universe.  These are not God's ideas.

"The Holy Spirit uses time, but he does not believe in it." (p.90 text)
"Accepting the Atonement teaches you what immortality is, for by accepting your guiltlessness, you learn that the past has never been, and so the future is needless and will not be." (p.222 text)

"I have repeatedly emphasized that one level of mind [the lower, or ego level] is not understandable to another [the higher mind that the Holy Spirit speaks to].  So it is with the ego and the Holy Spirit; with time and eternity.  Eternity is an idea of God, so the Holy Spirit understands it perfectly.  Time is a belief of the ego, so the lower mind, which is the ego's domain, accepts it without question.  The only aspect of time that is eternal is now." (p.73 text)

When we enter the realm of ACIM, we are in a context in which the only barrier to our re-experience of the absolute perfection whence we came is our state of ego-delusion, which does not really exist.  Our ego-delusions make time seem real; living in time or through time is not our natural or divinely ordained state.  Once we rise above our ego-delusions-which it is possible to do in an instant-we will return to our eternal experience of absolute perfection.  Progressive God-realization through the maturation process of time, whereby we expand our capacity to experience God as we move up the universe, is simply an ego delusion in ACIM.  It has no validity.  Once we leave this world, there are no other worlds of ascension.  For ACIM, this world is built upon ego-delusion.

Second, ACIM teaches that the ego, while it is the only source of all our problems, does not exist.  Therefore, our problems do not exist, and everything really is perfect, as it always was and always will be.  Only the ego believes otherwise, and it does not exist.  Since it does not exist, it cannot be somehow transformed or regenerated into the realm of light and truth.  The ego generates the delusions of time, space, gradations, levels, growth, and evolution.  It does this in order to justify itself and its lostness in its own delusions, all the while denying, of course, its own lostness and denying it holds any delusions, thereby separating itself from God and perfection.  The ego "exists" only because of the mind's initial false belief in its separation from God and perfection, and it maintains the "realm" of time and space in order to maintain its own "non-existence." The ego cannot achieve salvation, and has a deathly fear of God, love, truth, and light.

And so on....

7/12/2017 4:57:53 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Quote from followjesusonly:
If that was a question, no, not from me, not firsthand. I have read a couple of reviews of it by Urantians who have read it so I know what their take on it is. That, coupled with the "required course" nonsense did the job for me. Who requires ACIM be read as it says? You don't believe Jesus requires it, do you? I don't either. So we agree. But if you think that it's a "required course," required by someone important, perhaps Jesus as the book and the lore seem to imply, then you'd better read it. Knock yourself out.

Here's the first part of a fairly long article about "The Course," by a Urantia Book reader who seems to have read ACIM.

Why A COURSE IN MIRACLES Should Be Rejected
By Philip Eversoul
An article from the Urantian Sojourn, Spring-Summer 1995
 
Comparing Irreconcilable Teachings

The starting point in approaching ACIM-A purported revelation of pure truth-is to ask who wrote it.  It is easy to find that the author clearly implies he is Jesus Christ.  He mentions having been crucified (p. 85 text); he asserts he is in charge of the Sonship (p. 5 text) and of the Second Coming. (p.58 text) Having determined the author's claim to be Jesus or-at any rate-an ultimate authority on truth, the conscientious UB reader then seeks to find out how consistent the teaching of ACIM is with that of the UB in general and of Jesus in particular as portrayed in the UB.  It should not take long to discover that ACIM is utterly and totally irreconcilable with the UB.
First, ACIM denies the reality of everything under the category that UB readers know as" God the Supreme." ACIM denies the validity-the positive meaning-of time, space, growth, evolution, becoming, progress, levels of understanding, or gradual ascension through the universe.  These are not God's ideas.

"The Holy Spirit uses time, but he does not believe in it." (p.90 text)
"Accepting the Atonement teaches you what immortality is, for by accepting your guiltlessness, you learn that the past has never been, and so the future is needless and will not be." (p.222 text)

"I have repeatedly emphasized that one level of mind [the lower, or ego level] is not understandable to another [the higher mind that the Holy Spirit speaks to].  So it is with the ego and the Holy Spirit; with time and eternity.  Eternity is an idea of God, so the Holy Spirit understands it perfectly.  Time is a belief of the ego, so the lower mind, which is the ego's domain, accepts it without question.  The only aspect of time that is eternal is now." (p.73 text)

When we enter the realm of ACIM, we are in a context in which the only barrier to our re-experience of the absolute perfection whence we came is our state of ego-delusion, which does not really exist.  Our ego-delusions make time seem real; living in time or through time is not our natural or divinely ordained state.  Once we rise above our ego-delusions-which it is possible to do in an instant-we will return to our eternal experience of absolute perfection.  Progressive God-realization through the maturation process of time, whereby we expand our capacity to experience God as we move up the universe, is simply an ego delusion in ACIM.  It has no validity.  Once we leave this world, there are no other worlds of ascension.  For ACIM, this world is built upon ego-delusion.

Second, ACIM teaches that the ego, while it is the only source of all our problems, does not exist.  Therefore, our problems do not exist, and everything really is perfect, as it always was and always will be.  Only the ego believes otherwise, and it does not exist.  Since it does not exist, it cannot be somehow transformed or regenerated into the realm of light and truth.  The ego generates the delusions of time, space, gradations, levels, growth, and evolution.  It does this in order to justify itself and its lostness in its own delusions, all the while denying, of course, its own lostness and denying it holds any delusions, thereby separating itself from God and perfection.  The ego "exists" only because of the mind's initial false belief in its separation from God and perfection, and it maintains the "realm" of time and space in order to maintain its own "non-existence." The ego cannot achieve salvation, and has a deathly fear of God, love, truth, and light.

And so on....

So the concepts( according to this reviewer) are contrary to the teachings of TUB.

I can tell you that many great religions also understand the physical reality as an illusion built by the ego, and that that Illusion and the Ego can be transcended.
The Ego(person-hood) of an embodied soul is exactly what hold it in captivity, attached to sensuality and memory. How can something so impure become unified with the Creator?
It is exactly the TUB concept that a human being is an ego that grows a soul under the right circumstances that convinces me that the TUB is baseless in spiritual fact.

Since both the ACIM and TUB are purported to to be divinely authored through " channelled" dictation, more or less, I am surprised that You would reject a book so similarly conceived.

7/12/2017 5:23:46 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Quote from asanb:
Since both the ACIM and TUB are purported to to be divinely authored through " channelled" dictation, more or less, I am surprised that You would reject a book so similarly conceived.


Who is the alleged "purporter" that you refer to above, and where do they purport that the Urantia Book is purported to to be divinely authored through "channelled" dictation?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Why don't you just go ahead and read ACIM if you believe it's a "required course," required by Jesus? What do you want from me? Just read it.

And please, tell me who the purporter is who says that the Urantia Book is purported to to be divinely authored through "channelled" dictation.

I want to know. Name that person and quote them please. If you can't, then be a man and take it back. Say you misspoke or something.

7/12/2017 10:12:51 PM A Course in Miracles  

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I have read the first few pages as time allows. It sounded really familiar, couldn't put a finger on it. Then as the esoteric teachings came to mind, started to ring true.

7/12/2017 10:26:10 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Quote from followjesusonly:
Who is the alleged "purporter" that you refer to above, and where do they purport that the Urantia Book is purported to to be divinely authored through "channelled" dictation?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Why don't you just go ahead and read ACIM if you believe it's a "required course," required by Jesus? What do you want from me? Just read it.

And please, tell me who the purporter is who says that the Urantia Book is purported to to be divinely authored through "channelled" dictation.

I want to know. Name that person and quote them please. If you can't, then be a man and take it back. Say you misspoke or something.


At this point I must go back and tell you that a few months previously I had made a lecture trip to the University of Kansas; and while there, I wrote a letter to my son, Henry, suggesting that since we seldom went to church, though I often talked in churches, I thought it would be a good idea if he and his mother would consider inviting others in regularly for Sunday afternoon tea, about twenty or thirty friends with whom we might discuss religion or any other subject of mutual interest, and perhaps I would give them a little talk to stimulate these discussions. When I returned home the following Sunday noon, I found Dr. Ruth and Henry had already acted upon my suggestion and were having about thirty people that afternoon. This was about October, 1923, as I recall. (p.239) It was in November that I was asked by some members of this little social group, which we had come to call the Forum, if I wouldn’t tell some of my experiences in abnormal psychology. And since we had not been prohibited from talking about the phenomena we had been witnessing, I related to them my encounter with the sleeping subject and the strange communications we were receiving through him, and told of our being challenged to ask real questions.

It suddenly occurred to me as I got to this point - why not enlist the service of this group in the asking of such questions, and I called upon them to help me. I said, 'Come back next Sunday with all the profound questions you can think of, having to do with God and the Universe, and we'll see if these intelligences can answer them.'

The following Sunday the group arrived with over four thousand questions! Dr. Ruth and I spent several days sorting and classifying them. Then we held them in readiness, hoping for the opportunity of 'calling the bluff' of the higher intelligences. We were, as we thought, 'loaded for bear.' Some weeks went by and nothing happened. We thought we had them stumped, and then one morning at 6:00 A.M., the phone rang. It was the man's wife calling, 'Come over quick!' she said. 'What happened?' I asked. 'Is he still asleep?' 'Yes, but that's not it,' she replied. 'Please get over here - hurry!' We dressed like volunteer firemen and arrived out of breath. She led us to the desk in his study and picked up a voluminous manuscript of 472 pages, written in his own hand. I said, 'Where did this come from?' She said, 'I don't know. He made some strange noises in his sleep and woke me up, and I saw it there on the desk.' I asked, 'Has he been out of bed?' She said, 'Not to my knowledge. I don't see how he could have gotten out without waking me - and he is not awake yet.' I said, 'Is this his handwriting?' She said, 'It's his handwriting all right - but I don't see how he could have done it.' (p.240) I took a look at the manuscript and saw to great astonishment that it was in answer to all of the questions that had been formulated by ourselves in the Forum group. I couldn't wait any longer. I took this bulky manuscript into the bedroom and wakened up the subject. I said, 'Do you know what you have been doing in your sleep?' He said, 'I haven't been doing anything.' I said, 'Oh, yes, you have - and look at this! Isn't this your handwriting?' He stared at the manuscript. 'Yes, it's my handwriting, but I didn't do it.' I estimated it would take a normal individual seven to eight hours, writing at top speed, and the subject matter was so profound and yet so intelligently set down that I knew it was beyond human capacity to achieve. I phoned Cindy and told her to bring over at once a 'grip device' for testing muscular fatigue. I reasoned, if he had physically written all this, his right arm would give evidence of it - but the device registered no fatigue what-so-ever. We took the papers home and had them typed. They concerned the Universal Father, the Supreme Being, the Central and Super Universes, and the Isle of Paradise. It was an unforgettable occasion when I appeared before the Forum group and announced, 'Well, we got the answers to our questions all right,' and they were awestruck and speechless as we read the papers to them. This was all we needed. Reading these papers led to hundreds and thousands of more questions, and more papers commenced coming through.

https://www.urantiabook-intro.org/history.html

So it looks like channeling, smells like channeling, and walks like channeling.
where else did the transcripts come from?
Please provide an alternate description that isn't just a stupid exercise in semantics.

7/13/2017 1:31:53 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Quote from rey2140:
I have read the first few pages as time allows. It sounded really familiar, couldn't put a finger on it. Then as the esoteric teachings came to mind, started to ring true.


You have read the first few pages of "A Course In Miracles"? Do you believe it's a "required course" and that it was authored by Jesus? If so, you'd better read it, and if not, why bother reading any more of it?

7/13/2017 1:58:13 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Do you know anything at all about Ernest P. Moyer, Dr. Sadler, or Harold Sherman, or how The Urantia Book came to be? Here's an account, try this one:

https://www.609g.biz.ht/index.html

It's likely that the manuscripts (I would not say "transcripts") were simply materialized out of thin air. No one ever saw the subject writing them. And as noted below, how the hell did the subject write 472 pages in his own handwriting, while he was asleep and in the middle of the night, all night, without waking his wife? The Midwayers materialized the papers out of thin air in the handwriting of the subject. That is not channeling. And "the device registered no fatigue what-so-ever." The papers were materialized by the celestials. Not channeling.

                                      

Oh, also, if you could, would you please put the source of your material at the top instead of at the bottom or at least mention it at the top? I got to the part about your son Henry before it occurred to me what you were posting.

Quote from asanb:
At this point I must go back and tell you that a few months previously I had made a lecture trip to the University of Kansas; and while there, I wrote a letter to my son, Henry, suggesting that since we seldom went to church, though I often talked in churches, I thought it would be a good idea if he and his mother would consider inviting others in regularly for Sunday afternoon tea, about twenty or thirty friends with whom we might discuss religion or any other subject of mutual interest, and perhaps I would give them a little talk to stimulate these discussions. When I returned home the following Sunday noon, I found Dr. Ruth and Henry had already acted upon my suggestion and were having about thirty people that afternoon. This was about October, 1923, as I recall. (p.239) It was in November that I was asked by some members of this little social group, which we had come to call the Forum, if I wouldn’t tell some of my experiences in abnormal psychology. And since we had not been prohibited from talking about the phenomena we had been witnessing, I related to them my encounter with the sleeping subject and the strange communications we were receiving through him, and told of our being challenged to ask real questions.

It suddenly occurred to me as I got to this point - why not enlist the service of this group in the asking of such questions, and I called upon them to help me. I said, 'Come back next Sunday with all the profound questions you can think of, having to do with God and the Universe, and we'll see if these intelligences can answer them.'

The following Sunday the group arrived with over four thousand questions! Dr. Ruth and I spent several days sorting and classifying them. Then we held them in readiness, hoping for the opportunity of 'calling the bluff' of the higher intelligences. We were, as we thought, 'loaded for bear.' Some weeks went by and nothing happened. We thought we had them stumped, and then one morning at 6:00 A.M., the phone rang. It was the man's wife calling, 'Come over quick!' she said. 'What happened?' I asked. 'Is he still asleep?' 'Yes, but that's not it,' she replied. 'Please get over here - hurry!' We dressed like volunteer firemen and arrived out of breath. She led us to the desk in his study and picked up a voluminous manuscript of 472 pages, written in his own hand. I said, 'Where did this come from?' She said, 'I don't know. He made some strange noises in his sleep and woke me up, and I saw it there on the desk.' I asked, 'Has he been out of bed?' She said, 'Not to my knowledge. I don't see how he could have gotten out without waking me - and he is not awake yet.' I said, 'Is this his handwriting?' She said, 'It's his handwriting all right - but I don't see how he could have done it.' (p.240) I took a look at the manuscript and saw to great astonishment that it was in answer to all of the questions that had been formulated by ourselves in the Forum group. I couldn't wait any longer. I took this bulky manuscript into the bedroom and wakened up the subject. I said, 'Do you know what you have been doing in your sleep?' He said, 'I haven't been doing anything.' I said, 'Oh, yes, you have - and look at this! Isn't this your handwriting?' He stared at the manuscript. 'Yes, it's my handwriting, but I didn't do it.' I estimated it would take a normal individual seven to eight hours, writing at top speed, and the subject matter was so profound and yet so intelligently set down that I knew it was beyond human capacity to achieve. I phoned Cindy and told her to bring over at once a 'grip device' for testing muscular fatigue. I reasoned, if he had physically written all this, his right arm would give evidence of it - but the device registered no fatigue what-so-ever. We took the papers home and had them typed. They concerned the Universal Father, the Supreme Being, the Central and Super Universes, and the Isle of Paradise. It was an unforgettable occasion when I appeared before the Forum group and announced, 'Well, we got the answers to our questions all right,' and they were awestruck and speechless as we read the papers to them. This was all we needed. Reading these papers led to hundreds and thousands of more questions, and more papers commenced coming through.

https://www.urantiabook-intro.org/history.html

So it looks like channeling, smells like channeling, and walks like channeling.
where else did the transcripts come from?
Please provide an alternate description that isn't just a stupid exercise in semantics.


7/13/2017 8:37:40 PM A Course in Miracles  
asanb
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"It's likely that the manuscripts (I would not say "transcripts") were simply materialized out of thin air. No one ever saw the subject writing them. And as noted below, how the hell did the subject write 472 pages in his own handwriting, while he was asleep and in the middle of the night, all night, without waking his wife? The Midwayers materialized the papers out of thin air in the handwriting of the subject. That is not channeling. And "the device registered no fatigue what-so-ever." The papers were materialized by the celestials. Not channeling."

Strike 2. I disagree with Urantian concepts of soul and self, Now I dissagree with the casual acceptance of "materialized" revelations. Materialisation is beyond sence.

I can understand a union of one consciousness that might produce an extrodiary authorship.

Did God write the ten commandments on stone tablets?


Every written record or recollection of the myriad revelations and biographies of the god-men of the past have been written by men.
God's will isn't Materialized or magically revealed, nor are his religious artificises
They are explained to humanity by human persons who have become immersed in God and become God-men.

7/13/2017 9:46:28 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Quote from asanb:
"It's likely that the manuscripts (I would not say "transcripts") were simply materialized out of thin air. No one ever saw the subject writing them. And as noted below, how the hell did the subject write 472 pages in his own handwriting, while he was asleep and in the middle of the night, all night, without waking his wife? The Midwayers materialized the papers out of thin air in the handwriting of the subject. That is not channeling. And "the device registered no fatigue what-so-ever." The papers were materialized by the celestials. Not channeling."

Strike 2. I disagree with Urantian concepts of soul and self, Now I dissagree with the casual acceptance of "materialized" revelations. Materialisation is beyond sence.

I can understand a union of one consciousness that might produce an extrodiary authorship.

Did God write the ten commandments on stone tablets?


Every written record or recollection of the myriad revelations and biographies of the god-men of the past have been written by men.
God's will isn't Materialized or magically revealed, nor are his religious artificises
They are explained to humanity by human persons who have become immersed in God and become God-men.


And they are recealed to the traveller on the inner path.

7/13/2017 10:04:17 PM A Course in Miracles  

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"It's likely that the manuscripts (I would not say "transcripts") were simply materialized out of thin air. No one ever saw the subject writing them. And as noted below, how the hell did the subject write 472 pages in his own handwriting, while he was asleep and in the middle of the night, all night, without waking his wife? The Midwayers materialized the papers out of thin air in the handwriting of the subject. That is not channeling. And "the device registered no fatigue what-so-ever." The papers were materialized by the celestials. Not channeling."

Strike 2. I disagree with Urantian concepts of soul and self,


Fine. I don't care. I'm not here to sell you anything concerning The Urantia Book. The thread is entitled "A Course in Miracles."

Now I dissagree with the casual acceptance of "materialized" revelations.


I don't know what "casual acceptance" means.

You said the book was channeled. I said it was materialized. There you go.

Materialisation is beyond sence.


I don't know what that word, "sence", means. Did you mean "science" and you left some letters out?

I can understand a union of one consciousness that might produce an extrodiary authorship.


I don't know what "extrodiary" means. When you type, doesn't the DH typing window show you words with red underlining? That means they are misspelled.

Did God write the ten commandments on stone tablets?


Actually, no, He did not. That's just what Moses told the people. Do you want to talk about that? Why would God write on granite instead of say, titanium, or even stainless steel? The story says that God wrote on granite because that's all Moses and his chiselers could write on.

Every written record or recollection of the myriad revelations and biographies of the god-men of the past have been written by men.
God's will isn't Materialized or magically revealed, nor are his religious artificises
They are explained to humanity by human persons who have become immersed in God and become God-men.


So you say. It's certainly a big subject. I do not believe that the bible, or The Urantia Book, was written by God. So I'm not sure what you're arguing about.

Also, and last but not least, I still want to know Who is the alleged "purporter" that you referred to above, and where do they purport that the Urantia Book is purported to to be divinely authored through "channeled" dictation? Are you talking about Ernest Moyer and the title of his book about The Urantia Book? It's just his opinion and he's using it for the title of his book. I don't think he ever says that God wrote the Urantia Book, or that it was channeled. In fact, I know of no Urantian who says those things, so that's why I wanted you to name names and back up your statement. You haven't done that yet. You may think you did with your excerpt, but you didn't. No, we don't say that The Urantia Book is "divinely authored." You are mistaken.

7/13/2017 10:07:25 PM A Course in Miracles  

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God's will isn't Materialized or magically revealed, nor are his religious artificises


I did a Google search for "artificises" and Google asked me:

Did you mean:
artifices
artificiales
artificious
artificers

7/14/2017 6:36:56 AM A Course in Miracles  
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" I do not believe that the bible, or The Urantia Book, was written by God. So I'm not sure what you're arguing about."

So The Urantia book is not a divine revelation?

7/14/2017 6:40:04 AM A Course in Miracles  
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I did a Google search for "artificises" and Google asked me:


artificers


7/14/2017 3:22:46 PM A Course in Miracles  

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" I do not believe that the bible, or The Urantia Book, was written by God. So I'm not sure what you're arguing about."

So The Urantia book is not a divine revelation?


If you would define what you mean by "divine revelation" I will attempt to explain the situation. The term might mean different things to different people. The Urantia Book was not written by God, no.

7/14/2017 4:01:39 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Definitions of divine revelation
1
n
communication of knowledge to man by a divine or supernatural agency

Synonyms:
revelation



6:0.3 (73.3) The Eternal Son is the spiritual personalization of the Paradise Father’s universal and infinite concept of divine reality, unqualified spirit, and absolute personality. And thereby does the Son constitute the divine revelation of the creator identity of the Universal Father. The perfect personality of the Son discloses that the Father is actually the eternal and universal source of all the meanings and values of the spiritual, the volitional, the purposeful, and the personal.

103:6.5 (1135.7) A logical and consistent philosophic concept of the universe cannot be built up on the postulations of either materialism or spiritism, for both of these systems of thinking, when universally applied, are compelled to view the cosmos in distortion, the former contacting with a universe turned inside out, the latter realizing the nature of a universe turned outside in. Never, then, can either science or religion, in and of themselves, standing alone, hope to gain an adequate understanding of universal truths and relationships without the guidance of human philosophy and the illumination of divine revelation.

7/14/2017 5:32:09 PM A Course in Miracles  
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A Course in Miracles- TEACHINGS

A Course in Miracles teaches people that for physical and spiritual health, they must accept “proper” attitudes toward themselves, life in general, and the world. What are these “proper” attitudes? In essence, they constitute (1) the rejection of biblical understandings about such issues as sin, guilt, and atonement, and (2) the acceptance of New Age occult teachings, such as pantheism (All is God, God is All) and psychic development. Specifically, the Course offers a form of “Westernized” Hinduism with the distinct goal of changing its readers’ perceptions into conformity with the nondualistic (advaita) school of Vedanta Hinduism. This school maintains that the world is ultimately a dream or illusion and that all men and women are in reality divine — manifestations of the godhead. Another chief goal of the Course is to encourage the student to accept psychic (spiritistic) guidance.

.....

A Course in Miracles- THEOLOGICAL CONTENT

Eastern philosophy, particularly Hinduism, plays an important role in the Course. Robert Skutch, publisher of the Course, writes:

What they now had in their possession was a spiritual document that was very closely related to the teachings of the non-dualistic Vedanta of the Hindu religion, and that the profundity of the Vedanta certainly paralleled the obvious profundity of the Course. He [Thetford] realized the basic spiritual teachings of both had many striking similarities to each other, and that the main difference between them was that the Course was stating the perennial philosophy of eternal truths in Christian terminology with a psychological application that seemed expressly aimed at a contemporary audience.14

In Course usage, words undergo drastic changes of purpose. Often, the new meanings are the opposite of their biblical usage. For example, “atonement” no longer refers to Jesus Christ’s substitutionary death on the cross for sin. In biblical teaching, the Atonement is based on the fact that man’s sinfulness separates him from God. Before man can be reconciled to God, there must be a divine judgment of sin. Christ sacrificed His own life on the cross — He was judged in our place — to accomplish this reconciliation. This is what Christians mean by the word “atonement,” or the atoning sacrifice of Christ (John 3:16, 18).

In the Course, the word “atonement” involves the exact opposite: one is not, and never has been, separate from God. An atoning sacrifice in the biblical sense is therefore meaningless. For the Course, the term “atonement” now refers to correcting the belief that people are separate from God, which is presumed to be a false belief. Hence, because “the Atonement” is not yet completed (i.e., some people still think they are separate from God), Course students are told they have an important role to play “in the Atonement.”15 Their job is to help reconcile men and women to the spiritual truth that they are God and therefore cannot be separate from Him........

As a result of this distorted theology, the Course’s approach to “salvation” lies in understanding that no one requires salvation in the biblical sense because all men and women are already divine. “Salvation” is merely accepting one’s “true” identity as one essence with God. Therefore, we need nothing from God because each person’s true nature is God.16

Sin, guilt, death, judgment, propitiatory atonement, and other biblical doctrines are viewed as “attack” philosophies by the Course; that is, they are concepts that supposedly stand in the way of spiritual “progress” and severely damage the realization of our “true” divine nature. People must become free of these false, enslaving, and evil ideas if they desire true spiritual freedom. Otherwise, they choose to “remain in hell” and to “kill” the God of love.

https://www.equip.org/article/a-course-in-miracles/


I think I like this aproach

7/14/2017 5:46:55 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Definitions of divine revelation
1
n
communication of knowledge to man by a divine or supernatural agency

Synonyms:
revelation


Interesting. Where does this come from, this definition above? Also, it says "Definitions" plural, but then it only gives one.

Yes, I would agree with "communication of knowledge to man by a supernatural agency." The Urantia Book is that. But it's not a "divine revelation" in that it's not authored by God. Supernatural does not mean "divine." Though I suspect that to "supernatural" beings, their situation to them is natural. I don't like the term "supernatural" but I guess it's all we have. Do you believe in supernatural beings, spirit beings, angels and such? Some, maybe even gurus, have long said that the material is just the shadow of the spiritual. So maybe our natural material world is just a shadow world of spiritual realities.

"Here the material world is described as a tree whose roots are upwards and branches are below. We have experience of a tree whose roots are upward: if one stands on the bank of a river or any reservoir of water, he can see that the trees reflected in the water are upside down. The branches go downward and the roots upward. Similarly, this material world is a reflection of the spiritual world. The material world is but a shadow of reality. In the shadow there is no reality or substantiality, but from the shadow we can understand that there are substance and reality. In the desert there is no water, but the mirage suggests that there is such a thing as water. In the material world there is no water, there is no happiness, but the real water of actual happiness is there in the spiritual world." -Bhagavad-gita

6:0.3 (73.3) The Eternal Son is the spiritual personalization of the Paradise Father’s universal and infinite concept of divine reality, unqualified spirit, and absolute personality. And thereby does the Son constitute the divine revelation of the creator identity of the Universal Father. The perfect personality of the Son discloses that the Father is actually the eternal and universal source of all the meanings and values of the spiritual, the volitional, the purposeful, and the personal.


The Eternal Son is not The Urantia Book.

103:6.5 (1135.7) A logical and consistent philosophic concept of the universe cannot be built up on the postulations of either materialism or spiritism, for both of these systems of thinking, when universally applied, are compelled to view the cosmos in distortion, the former contacting with a universe turned inside out, the latter realizing the nature of a universe turned outside in. Never, then, can either science or religion, in and of themselves, standing alone, hope to gain an adequate understanding of universal truths and relationships without the guidance of human philosophy and the illumination of divine revelation.


Nice quote. Perhaps they are using the term "divine revelation" there to mean "communication of knowledge to man by a supernatural agency." If so, that's what The Urantia Book is. And of course, Jesus' visit here was a divine revelation in that He is a divine being (imo).

divine
adjective
1.
of, from, or like God or a god.

8/9/2017 8:07:38 AM A Course in Miracles  
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Yes?

9/9/2017 4:36:52 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Endangered Species?

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9/10/2017 4:22:18 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Miracles happen all the time. If you understand the will of God.

9/10/2017 4:25:31 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Sounds vague. Does the individual just decide what the will of god is and deduce that any subsequent consequence of their decision must be a miracle - like, for instance, when the kettle automatically switches itself off after it boils, or some such?



[Edited 9/10/2017 4:26:28 PM ]

9/10/2017 4:45:04 PM A Course in Miracles  

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2times2 said:Miracles happen all the time. If you understand the will of God.

Quote from lordclarence:
Sounds vague. Does the individual just decide what the will of god is and deduce that any subsequent consequence of their decision must be a miracle - like, for instance, when the kettle automatically switches itself off after it boils, or some such?


2times2 must have me blocked. I don't find him on my block list.

The "will of God" is that we love him and love one another, our neighbor as our self. That's ALL there is to it. I don't know what miracles 2times2 is talking about. Doing the will of God is what is required of us to get to heaven, including you, Clarence.

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

And the fact is that if you do the latter, "love thy neighbor as thyself," it is proof that the former is also working in you, consciously nor not.

I fully expect to see you there.

9/10/2017 7:55:56 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Miracles happen all the time. If you understand the will of God.


So how do you understand the will of god. Are you hearing voices in your head?

9/10/2017 9:15:25 PM A Course in Miracles  
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So how do you understand the will of god. Are you hearing voices in your head?

Insult as you must with your evil and sinful character. Miracles are occurring and are very real. God bless!

9/10/2017 10:06:42 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Miracles are occurring and are very real.

Give examples. Are you aware of any amputees miraculously regrowing an arm or leg for instance, or do you have a lower standard of proof for what qualifies as a miracle?

9/10/2017 10:30:57 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Insult as you must with your evil and sinful character. Miracles are occurring and are very real. God bless!


Are you hearing voices in your head to understand the will of god? Is it a voice or are invasive thoughts being put in your head by an entity?

9/10/2017 10:57:44 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Are you hearing voices in your head to understand the will of god? Is it a voice or are invasive thoughts being put in your head by an entity?
no.

9/10/2017 11:01:58 PM A Course in Miracles  
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no.

What about the limb regrowth question? Is your estimation of a miracle taking place confined to mundane recollections of how your post prayer morning coffee miraculously doesn't come out tasting like tea or do you have some genuine verifiable instances of occasions where the laws of nature have clearly been violated?

9/10/2017 11:04:37 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Quote from lordclarence:
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Quote from 2times2many:
Miracles are occurring and are very real.

Give examples. Are you aware of any amputees miraculously regrowing an arm or leg for instance, or do you have a lower standard of proof for what qualifies as a miracle?


I have plenty of examples. You'd only doubt, insult, and abuse me about it anyhow so i will NEVER give you my precious miracles. Nope fck that. You are not worthy. God forgive me for judging him not worthy. Amen

9/10/2017 11:08:25 PM A Course in Miracles  
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I have no interest in insulting or abusing anyone. Presumably your reticence is because you have nothing genuinely miraculous to report. That's fair enough. But why lie about it?

9/10/2017 11:09:34 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Quote from lordclarence:
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Quote from 2times2many:
no.

What about the limb regrowth question? Is your estimation of a miracle taking place confined to mundane recollections of how your post prayer morning coffee miraculously doesn't come out tasting like tea or do you have some genuine verifiable instances of occasions where the laws of nature have clearly been violated?


God's miracles are not YOUR miracles. You don't get to dictate God to perform for YOUR pleasure and satisfaction. Who tf are you. Nobody. Me on the other hand. I have a relationship with God so that's why i have miracles and you can't comprehend it in your little closed mind.
*middle finger............ cuz i ain't perfect, I'm blessed.

9/10/2017 11:11:15 PM A Course in Miracles  

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no.


You cannot understand another being's mind without communication. So you must be making up shit.

9/10/2017 11:12:41 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Your miracles sound imaginary and not independently verifiable, which is fair enough, but why talk about them and make claims?

9/10/2017 11:14:11 PM A Course in Miracles  
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I have no interest in insulting or abusing anyone. Presumably your reticence is because you have nothing genuinely miraculous to report. That's fair enough. But why lie about it?


Like i said, doubt, insult, abuse and additionally, ACCUSE.

God bless you with a miracle so that you will know His miracles. Amen

9/10/2017 11:15:15 PM A Course in Miracles  

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You don't get to dictate God to perform for YOUR pleasure and satisfaction.


Of course you do. That's why you pray for things you want. All useless of course because it's imaginary and delusional.

9/10/2017 11:18:12 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Your miracles sound imaginary and not independently verifiable, which is fair enough, but why talk about them and make claims?

Because i can. If you only knew my claims.....

9/10/2017 11:20:52 PM A Course in Miracles  
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Of course you do. That's why you pray for things you want. All useless of course because it's imaginary and delusional.

You are delusional thinking you have any kind of clue whatsoever.

9/10/2017 11:31:00 PM A Course in Miracles  

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You are delusional thinking you have any kind of clue whatsoever.


You have provided many clues you know the will of god and it's been talking to you.

9/10/2017 11:34:36 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Of course you do. That's why you pray for things you want. All useless of course because it's imaginary and delusional.


2times2: You are delusional thinking you have any kind of clue whatsoever.


iyamwutiyam IS delusional and he projects that on to everyone else. He's a narcissistic projecter. When he calls others "buffoons" he is projecting his own buffoonery on others. Watch him. Every insult he hurls at others, he himself manifests.

9/11/2017 5:20:10 AM A Course in Miracles  
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Because i can. If you only knew my claims.....

I'd be impressed if God visited you in a column of whirling fire like in Exodus and parked himself on the driveway and one of the neighbours called the fire brigade who found to their astonishment that they couldn't put the fire out. Has anything like that ever happened?

9/11/2017 5:58:27 AM A Course in Miracles  

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I have plenty of examples. You'd only doubt, insult, and abuse me about it anyhow so i will NEVER give you my precious miracles. Nope fck that. You are not worthy. God forgive me for judging him not worthy. Amen
Haha! Your delusional narcissism is epic! " God loves me, dont you know, he healed the eczema on my elbow when I prayed, and just before my uncle Joe was about to lose his house we prayed and a banker refinanced his mortgage! " My special miracles! Haha! Meanwhile, 6 million babies die every year of starvation and water born illness, they die in natural disasters like Katrina and Irma, and when questioned the theist's state, " God is mysterious " Haha! This is how they play tennis without the net. Considering what an epic failure your " awesome God " is , means you have absolutely no compassion or empathy for the pain and suffering of millions of babies every year that your God doesn't give a rat's a** about. As long as your God gives you what you beg for in your mind he is "awesome” Anyone that would pray to this imaginary capricious piece of crap completely lacks empathy . God botherers are delusional and narcissistic. They are real life Walter Mitty's living in their fantasies.

9/11/2017 7:18:58 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Pain purifies, if we suffer with the right spirit.

9/11/2017 7:33:42 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Pain purifies, if we suffer with the right spirit.


Why do we have to suffer? Isn't there enough natural suffering without adding it to ourselves?

9/11/2017 7:36:08 AM A Course in Miracles  
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Pain DOES NOT purify.

Lud, believes in hair coats.

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Pain purifies, if we suffer with the right spirit.


Many already know you suffer with a mental illness.

9/11/2017 8:20:38 AM A Course in Miracles  
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Pain purifies, if we suffer with the right spirit.

What rot. Even the relatively minor and transient pain of food poisoning is nasty and drives the spirit out of a person. Thank modern medicine for the drugs that relieve pain.

9/11/2017 8:30:51 AM A Course in Miracles  
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I Remember

9/11/2017 9:04:08 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Whenever life goves us something to suffer we should offer up our suffering in reparation for our sins, the world's sins, the poor souls in Purgatory, the conversion of sinners, or some other good purpose. If we do this, and if we suffer without whining, cursing, or despairing, suffering will be the agent of purification, spiritual growth, character building, and union with God.

9/11/2017 9:08:17 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Whenever life goves us something to suffer we should offer up our suffering in reparation for our sins, the world's sins, the poor souls in Purgatory, the conversion of sinners, or some other good purpose. If we do this, and if we suffer without whining, cursing, or despairing, suffering will be the agent of purification, spiritual growth, character building, and union with God.


Your suffering is obvious. Mental illness purifies nothing. You have a zero spiritual growth especially when your intellect is so diminished.

9/11/2017 9:17:01 AM A Course in Miracles  

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Pain purifies, if we suffer with the right spirit.


There's that inquisition spirit, way to go lud.

9/11/2017 11:02:17 AM A Course in Miracles  

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If suffering isn't potentially good for us why would God permit it to exist?

9/11/2017 1:10:07 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Ludlow says: If suffering isn't potentially good for us why would God permit it to exist?


"I will forever be dependent on the [Catholic] Church my mother. I go along in obedience. The Catholic Church speaks for God. The [Catholic] Church ordered heretics tortured and burned at the stake because the heretics opposed the [Catholic] Church's message of love and peace. Executing someone per God's commandment is not murder. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Only one mortal sin is enough to send a soul to Hell forever. If we want to be saved we must confess our sins to a validly ordained Catholic priest. Infant Baptism, Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, devotion to Mary, and prayers to the saints are all in the Bible. The gospel is the whole package of Jesus' teaching, including Holy Eucharist, the founding of the Church, the divinity of Christ, devotion to the Blessed Mother, Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, and indulgences. Jesus called His diciples to believe in the Catholic Church. It's the truth. I've studied this stuff for years. Devotion to Mary is necessary for salvation. Devotion to Mary is mandatory. Mary is queen of Heaven and sovereign mistress of the angels for one reason and one reason only: God appointed her to that office. I can prove that Mary is the Queen of Heaven. The Catholic Church says so, and the Church is infallible about things like this. The Bible came from the Church. The Church came from Jesus. Jesus came from Mary. Everything we have we got through Mary. Mary is queen of the universe. I recommend that people pray to Mary or one of the saints. Let the prayer life have some variety. "Hail holy queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we lift up our mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn, then, o gracious mother, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and, after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, o loving, o sweet Virgin Mary." "Immaculate Mary, your praises we sing. You reign now in splendor with Jesus our King." To reject the Catholic Church is to reject God. The Catholic Church speaks for God. Yes, I speak for God." -Ludlow the Scrupulous


9/11/2017 4:28:02 PM A Course in Miracles  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Whenever life goves us something to suffer we should offer up our suffering in reparation for our sins, the world's sins, the poor souls in Purgatory, the conversion of sinners, or some other good purpose. If we do this, and if we suffer without whining, cursing, or despairing, suffering will be the agent of purification, spiritual growth, character building, and union with God.
Your sadistic magical friend loves his children to suffer doesn't he? Your sky fairy deems it just that other people's transgressions should be pinned on the sufferer. Your invisible friend allows scenarios to exist that he can solve instantaneously,yet he foists the responsibility of this on to humans with limited abilites to burden. Your sky buddy is the equivalent of a welfare cheat. Sits on his a** and expects everyone else to bail him out.






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