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8/5/2017 3:43:14 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Drivers Licenses and I.D.'s are totally unaffordable to the working poor. I just paid $38.50 to renew my drivers license And with the federal "Truth in Identification" law that my state of Oklahoma has fought tooth & nail for 10 years Has been given 1 more year to comply or you will not be allowed in any federal building or on airplanes, I will have to pay another $38.50 (if they don't raise it again) in less than 1 year. Then because my state is broke & needs to raise revenue they decided that everybody has to buy new licence plates at 25.00 a pop. They ran a segment on the local news that said licence plates cost the state a grand total $0.43 to make, yet they charge $25.00 per plate that everybody is forced to buy. so in the next few months just for the privilege to drive my old 97 Chevy pick up I must pay $38.50 to renew my licence, then another $38.50 when the state becomes compliant with federal law + $45.00 for my yearly tags and a extra $25.00 for a new licence plate. And I am at the low end of the spectrum. I feel sorry for those that have multiple vehicles or new vehicles For a grand total of $147.00 just to be legal to drive & to go about my business And if thats not enough, the state just made it $110.00 fine if caught driving in the left lane for any reason other than to pass. A total and complete money grab by the state, ok my rant is done Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
8/5/2017 4:06:00 PM	I take it back
cheep_trick Herndon, VA 37, joined Mar. 2017	Now, aren't you glad, that Oklahoma has spent nearly 300 million dollars, to renovate the state capitol building? And, the project isn't even close to finished.
8/5/2017 4:10:16 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Hey, you don't want your capitalist government to raise money by increasing taxes on rich capitalists, do you? Of course not! Raising taxes on rich capitalists to pay for the needs of their governments would be a total f**king outrage. No, that money has to come from you and people like you.
8/5/2017 4:15:05 PM	I take it back
61falcon New Hope, PA 76, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	I bet the taxes on the rich in Oklahoma haven't budged in years.Your Greedy Old Party at work.
8/5/2017 4:17:30 PM	I take it back
61falcon New Hope, PA 76, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	There should be taxes on the oil storage in Cushing big enough to pay a good chunk of Oklahoma taxes.
8/5/2017 4:26:15 PM	I take it back
xman379 Richmond, VA 38, joined Nov. 2015	Quote from pento4: A total and complete money grab by the state... Well, THAT IS what politics are all about. It's the reason politicians fight tooth & nail to stay in power, even when the general public wants them out of office. The primary purpose of government is for politicians to take from the average citizen to enrich themselves. Public service is simply an afterthought and public relations, so as to conceal the wholesale theft they commit.
8/5/2017 4:26:46 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	You know, another great idea for funding the needs of the capitalists' governments without raising taxes on rich capitalists is civil asset forfeiture? Let's just tell the police that they can steal your money and your stuff anytime they want and that they can keep most of the proceeds for the needs of their police departments. ------------ Attorney General Jeff Sessions issues directive to revitalize civil forfeiture laws By Genevieve Leigh 22 July 2017 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/07/22/sess-j22.html Excerpts: Attorney General Jeff Sessions introduced a directive early on Wednesday that will encourage state and local police to seize cash and property from people who are suspected of a crime, even without a criminal charge. The practice is known as “civil asset forfeiture.” As opposed to “criminal forfeiture,” where a person must be convicted of an actual crime in a court of law before their property or assets can be seized, “civil forfeiture” offers no such protections. Instead, government agencies can simply seize the property if it is suspected of being connected to a crime. In these scenarios, the property, an inanimate object, is treated as if it were charged with a crime. The owner of the property is often not charged with any crime. Since the action taken against the object is a “civil action,” it is not afforded the protections given to people, and thus the property is arbitrarily confiscated. In 2014, the Washington Post issued a report showing that there were nearly 62,000 cash seizures worth more than $2.5 billion since September 11, 2001, all made “without search warrants or indictments.” The investigation also revealed that more than 500 task forces and departments had “seized the equivalent of 20 percent or more of their annual budgets.” In 2010 alone, more than $500 million was distributed through the program. Over $5 billion has been collected since the program began in 1984. A report from the Justice Department’s own inspector general looked at a sample of 100 seizures by the Drug Enforcement Agency. It concluded that more than half were not related to any identifiable criminal investigation or prosecution. Instead, police took the cash and let the purported “criminals” walk free. The push to revitalize civil forfeiture is in line with the fascistic law-and-order campaign of the Trump administration and the overall movement to the right of the entire political establishment, which has little popular support. A recent survey found that 84 percent of Americans oppose civil forfeiture.
8/5/2017 4:44:29 PM	I take it back
cherisays Angaria Bangladesh 20, joined Dec. 2014	Damn! Oklahoma is cheap! Costs way more here
8/5/2017 4:49:09 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from cherisays: Damn! Oklahoma is cheap! Costs way more here That's because super-rich capitalists in South Carolina need low taxes, too. What's the point of getting rich by raping the f**king shit out of workers and looting the public till if you have to pay high taxes to fund your government needs? Taxes are for the little people. [Edited 8/5/2017 4:50:22 PM ]
8/5/2017 4:51:21 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Quote from cheep_trick: Now, aren't you glad, that Oklahoma has spent nearly 300 million dollars, to renovate the state capitol building? And, the project isn't even close to finished. that is altogether different,,But a question that has been raised a million times by locals. The capitol renovations (that still aren't finished and never will be) is 95% federal funding not state. I say f**k the capitol renovations, They can do their business at the library like the people have to
8/5/2017 4:54:39 PM	I take it back
muldoon1959 Vallejo, CA 58, joined Feb. 2008	Attempt at sarcasm noted. Costs aren't the only barriers put up in the effort to suppress the vote. Other road blocks have been put in place too. Such as requiring an original birth certificate which can't be obtained by mail. Closing down various issuing DMV's and increasing the distance one has to travel making it even more inconvenient. Another fun trick is about the types of ID that are considered valid. Such as a university ID, not valid. NRA membership card, valid.
8/5/2017 4:54:42 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Mary Fallin's (our governor) legacy "Hey we are still better than Mississippi"
8/5/2017 4:54:46 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from condor_0000: That's because super-rich capitalists in South Carolina need low taxes, too. What's the point of getting rich by raping the fking shit out of workers and looting the public till if you have to pay high taxes to fund your government needs? Taxes are for the little people. Excerpts: "Only the little people pay taxes." - Leona Helmsley After allegations of non-payment by her of contractors hired by her to build her home, Helmsley was investigated and convicted of federal income tax evasion and other crimes in 1989. Although having initially received a sentence of 16 years, Helmsley was required to serve only 19 months in prison and two months under house arrest. During the trial, a former housekeeper testified that she had heard Helmsley say: "We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes", an aphorism with which she was identified for the rest of her life. Tax evasion conviction Despite the Helmsleys' tremendous wealth (net worth over a $1 billion), they were known for disputing payments to contractors and vendors. One of these disputes would prove to be their undoing. In 1983, the Helmsleys bought Dunnellen Hall, a 21-room mansion in Greenwich, Connecticut, to use as a weekend retreat. The property cost $11 million, but the Helmsleys wanted to make it even more luxurious. The work included a $1 million dance floor, a silver clock and a mahogany card table.[7] The remodeling bills came to $8 million, which the Helmsleys were loath to pay. A group of contractors sued the Helmsleys for non-payment; the Helmsleys eventually paid off most of the debt owed to the contractors. In 1985, during those proceedings, the contractors revealed that most of their work was being illegally billed to the Helmsleys' hotels as business expenses. The contractors sent a stack of the falsified invoices to the New York Post to prove that the Helmsleys were trying to avoid tax liabilities. The resulting Post story led to a federal criminal investigation. Also, Jeremiah McCarthy, the Helmsleys' executive engineer, alleged that Leona repeatedly demanded that he sign invoices to bill personal expenses to the Helmsley company and, when McCarthy declined to do so, Helmsley exploded with tyrannical outbursts, shouting, "You're not my fking partner! You'll sign what I tell you to sign." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_Helmsley
8/5/2017 4:56:23 PM	I take it back
catlover418 Fort Worth, TX 71, joined Feb. 2009 online now!	I just renewed my license here. It was $25 and is good for 6 years.
8/5/2017 5:00:06 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Quote from catlover418: I just renewed my license here. It was $25 and is good for 6 years. 4 years ago I paid a reasonable $20.00 to renew my licence,,When that lady today said "$38.50" I about shit myself all over the place. That is a 99.9% increase in 1 licence cycle
8/5/2017 5:02:53 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	If only Oklahoma was run by libertarians. Then it would be a tax-free, capitalist paradise. ------- Inside the Total Catastrophe That Ensued After an Elected Libertarian Mayor Promised the 'Freest Little City in Texas' An 'experiment' in city government fell apart over taxes, debt and some very angry people. By James McCandless / Texas Observer August 3, 2017 http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/inside-total-catastrophe-ensued-after-elected-libertarian-mayor-promised-freest Excerpts: For the last few years, Von Ormy has been in near-constant turmoil over basic issues of governance: what form of municipal government to adopt, whether to tax its residents, and how to pay for services such as sewer, police, firefighters and animal control. Along the way, three City Council members were arrested for allegedly violating the Open Meetings Act, and the volunteer fire department collapsed for lack of funds. Nearly everyone in town has an opinion on who’s to blame. But it’s probably safe to say that the vision of the city’s founder, a libertarian lawyer whose family traces its roots in Von Ormy back six generations, has curdled into something that is part comedy, part tragedy. In 2006, fearing annexation by rapidly encroaching San Antonio, some in Von Ormy proposed incorporating as a town. But in government-averse rural Texas, incorporation can be a hard sell. Unincorporated areas are governed mainly by counties, which have few rules about what you can do on private property and tend to only lightly tax. There’s no going back from what municipal government brings: taxes, ordinances, elections and tedious city council meetings. Still, the fear of being absorbed by San Antonio — with its big-city taxes and regulations — was too much for most Von Ormians. Enter Art Martinez de Vara. At the time, Martinez de Vara was an ambitious third-year law student at St. Mary’s University in San Antonio, a local boy with a penchant for Texas history and right-wing politics. Martinez de Vara suggested a compromise of sorts. Von Ormy could become a “liberty city” — a stripped-down, low-tax, low-government version of municipal government that’s currently en vogue among the tea party in Texas. Initially, the city would impose property and sales taxes, but the property tax would ratchet down to zero over time. The business-friendly environment would draw new economic activity to Von Ormy, and eventually the town would cruise along on sales taxes alone. There would be no charge for building permits, which Martinez de Vara said would be hand-delivered by city staff. The nanny state would be kept at bay, too. Want to shoot off fireworks? Blast away. Want to smoke in a bar? Light up. Teens wandering around at night? No curfew, no problem. Martinez de Vara and his mother, Sally Martinez, along with other prominent residents, started the Commission to Incorporate Von Ormy. He gave Von Ormy a motto: “The Freest Little City in Texas.” Folks in Von Ormy liked what they heard and in May 2008 voted to incorporate. Martinez de Vara was elected mayor that November. In a 2015 presentation he gave at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative think tank, Martinez de Vara said that a group of people with no political experience took it upon themselves to do everything a large city like San Antonio does but at a lower cost. He touted Von Ormy’s ability to provide animal control services, a 20-officer police department — a mix of paid officers and volunteers — and an online city hall. “We were blessed with this unique opportunity to experiment with democracy,” he said. Today, there is no city animal control program and stray dogs roam the streets. The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office patrols the town instead of city police, and City Hall resides in a mobile home with one full-time staffer — though that’s a step up from the dive bar where City Council met until the owner bounced them out. If you go to the city’s website, you’ll be informed that it’s still under construction. If Von Ormy is a libertarian experiment with democracy, it’s one that hasn’t turned out as expected. As mayor, Martinez de Vara’s first priority was to lure chain stores with the town’s low-tax, low-regulation branding. But there was a problem: Von Ormy lacked a sewer system and it would be expensive to connect to San Antonio’s main wastewater system. The San Antonio Water System, which services most of Bexar County, told town officials that the connection would cost $4 million to $5 million. According to Reyes, City Administrator James Massey recommended floating a bond, standard practice for most cities. But Martinez de Vara rejected the recommendation. Liberty cities aren’t supposed to take on debt, after all. (Martinez de Vara didn’t respond to numerous requests for comment.) Reyes said most people in Von Ormy agreed with Martinez de Vara’s position but that it put the town in a bind. “You want to be a liberty city? No taxes,” she said. “We could only afford to put in $500,000, if that, but where would we get the rest from?” The sewer system was never installed, and the town still relies on septic. The lack of a centralized wastewater system made it more difficult to recruit businesses.
8/5/2017 5:19:42 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Condor,,If you have a opinion or something to say on the topic at hand, Be a big boy and say it, Cut your bullshit copy/paste wall of words nobody reads. At Least Muldoon in his infinite bullshit can type for himself
8/5/2017 5:23:06 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from pento4: Condor,,If you have a opinion or something to say on the topic at hand, Be a big boy and say it, Cut your bullshit copy/paste wall of words nobody reads. At Least Muldoon in his infinite bullshit can type for himself Really? You're angry that I didn't "type for myself?" Because that sounds pretty fking ludicrous. It's much more reasonable to believe that your angry because you did read what I posted and you fking hate it with a passion, but you don't have any valid counter-argument to make.
8/5/2017 5:53:52 PM	I take it back
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011	Indiana gets $68.75 for each plate. We get hit with a wheel tax, $10 for cars $15 for trucks, $25 for motorcycles. That isn't quite as galling as our toll road. (and for that matter, all of Illinois tollways) If I tow my trailer behind my bike, I get to pay for three axles. That sucks.
8/5/2017 6:02:12 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Quote from condor_0000: Really? You're angry that I didn't "type for myself?" Because that sounds pretty fking ludicrous. It's much more reasonable to believe that your angry because you did read what I posted and you fking hate it with a passion, but you don't have any valid counter-argument to make. not angry you dumbass,,,just you proving yourself you have no brain to think on your own self,,,gotta copy/paste other peoples words because you cant comprehend writing from your own brain and hand
8/5/2017 6:16:09 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from purplerider1200: Indiana gets $68.75 for each plate. We get hit with a wheel tax, $10 for cars $15 for trucks, $25 for motorcycles. That isn't quite as galling as our toll road. (and for that matter, all of Illinois tollways) If I tow my trailer behind my bike, I get to pay for three axles. That sucks. We capitalists thank you for your contribution to our lavish lifestyles. ------------- IFM Investors completes acquisition of Indiana Toll Road Concession Company May 27, 2015 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150527006535/en/IFM-Investors-completes-acquisition-Indiana-Toll-Road Excerpts: NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--IFM Investors today announced the completion of IFM Global Infrastructure Fund’s previously announced acquisition of 100 percent of the equity in ITR Concession Company, LLC (ITRCC), which operates the Indiana Toll Road. The ITRCC is required to operate the toll road under a lease agreement that was signed in 2006, and has the exclusive right to collect toll revenues through the term of the agreement, which has a remaining life of 66 years. The investment becomes the thirtieth infrastructure asset in IFM Investors’ current portfolio. It is IFM Investors' second investment in North American toll road infrastructure in 2015, and the fourth toll road in IFM’s infrastructure portfolios. The Indiana Toll Road’s operating history demonstrates a long-standing linkage to economic growth. Operational since 1956, the toll road is a major freight corridor serving a large, mature, and industrially-developed regional economy. The road is the only multi-lane, non-stop route between Chicago and the Ohio Turnpike, and as such is a critical component of the Midwest and Northeast transportation and logistics networks.
8/5/2017 6:18:13 PM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from pento4: not angry you dumbass,,,just you proving yourself you have no brain to think on your own self,,,gotta copy/paste other peoples words because you cant comprehend writing from your own brain and hand Too bad you right-wingers don't read all that well or you might also have a read a lot of relevant material that you could subsequently post on message boards instead of just being outraged at those people who do read well.
8/5/2017 7:01:24 PM	I take it back
ultrabrat007 Crescent City, CA 41, joined Dec. 2016	Quote from pento4: Drivers Licenses and I.D.'s are totally unaffordable to the working poor. I just paid $38.50 to renew my drivers license And with the federal "Truth in Identification" law that my state of Oklahoma has fought tooth & nail for 10 years Has been given 1 more year to comply or you will not be allowed in any federal building or on airplanes, I will have to pay another -$38.50 (if they don't raise it again) in less than 1 year. Then because my state is broke & needs to raise revenue they decided that everybody has to buy new licence plates at 25.00 a pop. They ran a segment on the local news that said licence plates cost the state a grand total $0.43 to make, yet they charge $25.00 per plate that everybody is forced to buy. so in the next few months just for the privilege to drive my old 97 Chevy pick up I must pay $38.50 to renew my licence, then another $38.50 when the state becomes compliant with federal law + $45.00 for my yearly tags and a extra $25.00 for a new licence plate. And I am at the low end of the spectrum. I feel sorry for those that have multiple vehicles or new vehicles For a grand total of $147.00 just to be legal to drive & to go about my business And if thats not enough, the state just made it $110.00 fine if caught driving in the left lane for any reason other than to pass. A total and complete money grab by the state, ok my rant is done The more enept or incompetant an organization is...the more invasive and the more money they will take from people. Their favorite places for such money grabs are transportation activity.. Everyone has to go places. "So, pay us more money or die in a ditch somewhere after we take your vehicle as well.. Now, thank us on how compassionate and helpful we are at making your Life easier. After all you paid for it" [Edited 8/5/2017 7:04:22 PM ]
8/5/2017 10:51:31 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Quote from condor_0000: Too bad you right-wingers don't read all that well or you might also have a read a lot of relevant material that you could subsequently post on message boards instead of just being outraged at those people who do read well. first you said i read it and didnt like it, then your very next post said i am incapable of reading more than 3 words strung together,,,what do you do condor, just sling shit at the wall and see what sticks??? I guess you just explained yourself for the constant copy/paste posts you are famous for, in your mind you cant get your story straight. Maybe its a getting little too smokey down there in moms basement. You might want to come up for some air
8/5/2017 10:58:15 PM	I take it back
horace_schitt Wausau, WI 50, joined Oct. 2009	Word.
8/5/2017 11:11:50 PM	I take it back
scoobs78 Tasmania Australia 39, joined Jun. 2013	Quote from pento4: first you said i read it and didnt like it, then your very next post said i am incapable of reading more than 3 words strung together,,,what do you do condor, just sling shit at the wall and see what sticks??? I guess you just explained yourself for the constant copy/paste posts you are famous for, in your mind you cant get your story straight. Maybe its a getting little too smokey down there in moms basement. You might want to come up for some air This coming from someone who looks like he's been living on he streets for many many years and has not showered or shaved in that same amount of time! A bar of soap, washcloth, shampoo, towel, deodorant and an instruction manual on what u do wih each item with be very beneficial to u!
8/5/2017 11:14:00 PM	I take it back
horace_schitt Wausau, WI 50, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from scoobs78: This coming from someone who looks like he's been living on he streets for many many years and has not showered or shaved in that same amount of time! A bar of soap, washcloth, shampoo, towel, deodorant and an instruction manual on what u do wih each item with be very beneficial to u! This, coming from a d*ckhead with no picture at all. Embarrassed, or just fugly?
8/5/2017 11:15:16 PM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	Quote from scoobs78: This coming from someone who looks like he's been living on he streets for many many years and has not showered or shaved in that same amount of time! A bar of soap, washcloth, shampoo, towel, deodorant and an instruction manual on what u do wih each item with be very beneficial to u! how very liberal of you
8/5/2017 11:27:31 PM	I take it back
urealysucklol San Benito, TX 45, joined Jul. 2014	Thompson v. Smith, 155 Va. 367 — Va: Supreme Court 1930
8/5/2017 11:36:28 PM	I take it back
urealysucklol San Benito, TX 45, joined Jul. 2014	the city may, under its police power, regulate in the interest of the public safety and welfare; but it may not arbitrarily or unreasonably prohibit or restrict it,
8/6/2017 1:35:32 AM	I take it back
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	your state needs to legalize hemp and then its revenue profit would be around 500 million + in one calendar year.
8/6/2017 1:37:30 AM	I take it back
urealysucklol San Benito, TX 45, joined Jul. 2014	They collect alot More in illegal Stops,
8/6/2017 1:38:40 AM	I take it back
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014
8/6/2017 1:47:11 AM	I take it back
urealysucklol San Benito, TX 45, joined Jul. 2014	There's an echo In here!
8/6/2017 4:11:14 AM	I take it back
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from pento4: first you said i read it and didnt like it, then your very next post said i am incapable of reading more than 3 words strung together,,,what do you do condor, just sling shit at the wall and see what sticks??? I guess you just explained yourself for the constant copy/paste posts you are famous for, in your mind you cant get your story straight. Maybe its a getting little too smokey down there in moms basement. You might want to come up for some air You only needed to read the headline to know you didn't like it. Even you moron right-wingers can read a headline. And it's not just me saying you right-wingers can't read. You say it yourselves all the time in your complaints about "walls of text" and complaints about being overwhelmed by the "copy and paste" of a few paragraphs from an article; an article that I read in its entirely in just a couple of minutes and then pared down for the forum. [Edited 8/6/2017 4:12:04 AM ]
8/6/2017 5:32:32 AM	I take it back
pento4 Norman, OK 48, joined Mar. 2017	nice out you come up with there,,,so you cant get your story straight but are pretty much saying you are psychic and all knowing,,,pretty hard to believe you could possibly be psychic and all knowing when you have never had a original thought,,just copy/paste/copy/paste/copy/paste
8/6/2017 5:35:46 AM	I take it back
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010
8/6/2017 7:42:00 AM	I take it back
horace_schitt Wausau, WI 50, joined Oct. 2009	Pento meant to say pshychO and NO knowing. Unfortunate typos.

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