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So you are saying what exactly?
To just give more money with no questions asked?
Sorry, Bob doesn't roll that way.
Show me results and then I'll show you the money. Until then ... Nope.


I do work from home. I'm in IT I am on call constantly.
I have worked over 100 hours a week (114 is my personal record) I have slept on data center floors, gone without a shower for close to 3 days, eaten a single sandwich over a weekend.
We all have war stories.


You have me there. It's a societal issue. If you are good enough, then teach at a private school I bet you would truely enjoy the students (if not the pay).
Like I said, don't make me king of the world, it won't be pretty at first.

True it is my right and true private schools graduates out perform public school graduates by, by, well a sh*tload I am sure.
I don't even need to look up that stat because I am as confident in that statement as in just about anything else.



Don't blame me, I voted for Palin.
I DO blame academia though since they're not teaching what this country was to be about.
No problem. I wouldn't mind it at all


I wouldn't mind it at all.
You want to handle a crashing email server in the middle of the day with paying customers and your boss threatening your paycheck every few minutes?
Be my guest...



Okay ya got me there, what I should have said is "their ignorant a** kids."

And I was paid quite handsomely while in that position.
I make less now (much, much less) and I have no where near the stress level.
Less money.
Less stress.
Go figure!


Ok, another palm to the forehead ... Change is constant, if you can't change they you need to stop what you are doing. The kids change, no? The curriculum changes, no? The rules change, no? Everything changes.
Think Darwin.


Sweet, sexism and now name calling.
Last refuge of ...

3/25/2011 4:19:10 PM	Holy Crapola
lrds Holiday, FL 55, joined Dec. 2010	I cant leave you people alone to long.... what the heck we have people here just for sex and now booty calls what ever happened to people respecting them selves and pride and love and values holy shit i see its all in the crapper now, I think DH should set up a room for Florida People age specific because these kids in there 20's all they think about is free sex and no respect for themselves. Then they wonder why they get treated like crap... Values people set Values for your self or no one will ever respect you or treat you like a Lady or Gentleman .... Holy Hamburgers and for those people who have a hard time with there grammar there's a spell check you can use OMG someone throw me a life saver [Edited 3/25/2011 4:20:27 PM ] Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
3/25/2011 4:21:03 PM	Holy Crapola
kmc726 Fruitland Park, FL 47, joined Jul. 2010	What he^^^said.
3/25/2011 4:22:14 PM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	..SaL, it is so true............... missed seeing you on here..............
3/25/2011 4:31:46 PM	Holy Crapola
naughtical Winter Haven, FL 58, joined Oct. 2009	lrds, lrds, lrds... You shouldn't talk about values and respect and use cuss words. You shouldn't criticize other's grammar mistakes when your opening post is riddled with grammatical, spelling and punctuation errors. You certainly should not lump all young people in the same category...it's not right and it's not fair. While I agree with the basic message of your post...I don't agree with how you delivered it. [Edited 3/25/2011 4:33:57 PM ]
3/25/2011 4:32:16 PM	Holy Crapola
a_riot_of_color Lakeland, FL 47, joined Dec. 2010	Amen Brotha!
3/25/2011 5:44:21 PM	Holy Crapola
xx_tj_xx Jacksonville, FL 42, joined Mar. 2011	Just goes to show you how well the Florida education system is working. Stop closing schools, quit under paying teachers.
3/25/2011 5:45:39 PM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	I totally agree.............More Pay For Teacers.............
3/25/2011 7:25:18 PM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ucfsweetnanny: I totally agree.............More Pay For Teacers............. Well this topic has taken a turn ... Why more pay? The more money we spend the worse it gets? Better idea... Merit pay and competition. Better results for less money.
3/25/2011 7:29:53 PM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	WOW, now that really surpizes me.......................Is it not suppose to be what is best for the kids..............Merit pay would be the worst thing ever........... Are you in education, Tampa Bob?????
3/25/2011 7:34:39 PM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Are you in education, Tampa Bob????? Of course not. Otherwise I'd be repeating the mantra, "give me more because it's for the kids, but don't look at the results, just give me more". "But if you do look at the end results, that just goes to show I need even more".
3/25/2011 7:36:25 PM	Holy Crapola
xx_tj_xx Jacksonville, FL 42, joined Mar. 2011	How do you expect kids to learn or get a decent education when classrooms have 50+ kids in them? Very hard for teachers to deal with so much. If classrooms were down to 20 kids, I would think the education system would be better because students would be getting more of the help they needed to succeed. Just my opinion, but who cares [Edited 3/25/2011 7:38:02 PM ]
3/25/2011 7:37:01 PM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	well Florida is one of the state's that is ranked pretty high in the nation, so something that the teachers are doing is working.............. Go for merit pay and we will be losing alot of good teachers.......... I care TJ............... [Edited 3/25/2011 7:37:45 PM ]
3/25/2011 7:46:21 PM	Holy Crapola
xx_tj_xx Jacksonville, FL 42, joined Mar. 2011	I know you do Lori, I'd give ya an apple, but my dog ate it..lol
3/25/2011 7:50:24 PM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	I know that you would have.............bad dog...........
3/25/2011 8:01:35 PM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Go for merit pay and we will be losing alot of good teachers.......... Why? Where would they go? So you're for tenure and automatic raises based on longevity? Hmmm, where can I get a gig like that (and live with myself)? So you don't mind working and paying for someone else's retirement (who may be your same age), but unable to retire yourself? As for Florida being a high ranking state ... Nice, but being one of the least incompetents doesn't mean you're not incompetent. Compare the US education system with the rest of the world, hell just read the threads by the youngsters around here. I just wondered what we did before 1979 when the Dept of Education was formed... Just like the "War on Poverty" the target only got worse and moeny wasted. Did you know it costs almost 10K more per pupil in the Washington DC Public schools then it does in the private schools? Where would you want your kids or grandkids be educated at? The politicians send their kids to private schools, but refuse to give poor parents vouchers. You don't find that to be a problem? Anyone who votes against vouchers should send their kids to public schools. /soapbox
3/25/2011 8:12:03 PM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	I would really love to be face to face and debate this with you........... Being a teacher is considered a government job, so are you saying that the prison system is better then the education system........But, yet they get paid more then teachers do. And also get a retirerment like teachers do........ It has been 5 years since teachers has gotten a cost of living raise. We also have familes to support. I am not saying that it is a perfect system, but changing it to merit pay, would really kill education..... Also, think about this where is the accountability of the parents for their children. Every one of these punks that come on here and sound like they had no education. Where were the parents????? Teachers already have enough to be accountable for.
3/25/2011 8:34:33 PM	Holy Crapola
fishingmom Lake Alfred, FL 63, joined Aug. 2008	so you get lazy kids who dont give a crap and fail tests all the time, because they can, and its the teachers fault? or you work in special education and kids CANT pass these standardized tests because of their IQ level and its the teachers fault? I wish y'all could work where I do and tell me how we are suppose to get juvenile delinquents to give a crap about testing when they dont even give a crap about themselves. Til you walk a mile in our shoes, you will never understand.... but your opinion counts, as does ours. PS to Lori, our teachers do not get paid any more than regular teachers... least not in this county. [Edited 3/25/2011 8:36:12 PM ]
3/25/2011 9:53:38 PM	Holy Crapola
xx_tj_xx Jacksonville, FL 42, joined Mar. 2011	The reason we have lazy kids is cause of technology and parents who just don't pay attention enough to their kids.
3/25/2011 10:00:22 PM	Holy Crapola
fishingmom Lake Alfred, FL 63, joined Aug. 2008	thats part of it, but some kids just dont care. this is the only business that I know of that says you need more training but you have to pay for it, its not company paid, and then after spending $300 - $900 for courses, the next year they turn around and say, Oh never mind, those courses are invalid, now you need this... Im sure Lori will agree with me on that. Thankfully I am NOT a teacher but DO work in the educational system but what I see they are doing to teachers is unreal. First they tell them they need middle school integrated degrees, now they say thats not good enough, they need something else. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!!!! I thought I wanted to change my degree and go into teaching... this is not the case any more. And yet, Joe public seems to know more about what goes on than the class room teacher? I think not.
3/26/2011 7:10:08 AM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	Sharon I do agree totally with you......it is getting unreal......
3/26/2011 7:59:06 AM	Holy Crapola
fishingmom Lake Alfred, FL 63, joined Aug. 2008	Good luck to you Lori, I hope we all have jobs next year. and youre right, it is getting unreal.
3/26/2011 8:17:30 AM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ucfsweetnanny: I would really love to be face to face and debate this with you........... Being a teacher is considered a government job, so are you saying that the prison system is better then the education system........But, yet they get paid more then teachers do. And also get a retirerment like teachers do........ I am not saying that it is a perfect system, but changing it to merit pay, would really kill education..... A face to face debate wouldn't change my opinion that a person should be judged as an individual and as such need to be responsible for what they are charged with. I get a pay raise or keep my job based on my productivity. It doesn't just happen automatically, if I don't produce, I lose my job. If I fall into the median than I keep my job, if I produce more than average I get a nice raise, if I'm one of the top produces I get a hell of a lot more than the next guy. In my industry, just like in every other "for profit" industry if the product or service we produce isn't good then we suffer, we don't ask for more money. Government workers don't negotiate, they demand. They don't barter, they see how much they can get and they want it all. Teacher vs prison guards? Well if prisoners were escaping then the guards aren't doing their jobs, but they seem to be doing an acceptable job of keeping prisoners inside of their walls. In fact I read of prison guards being fired more often than teachers. And how would changing it to merit pay drive teachers away? Sorry, I can't grasp that mentality. Aren't you supposed to be teaching these youngsters to strive to do their best? Don't the kids get rewarded for being the best? Why test them at all if they're not to be judged on how hard they work and the product of that work? Sorry, I just don't get it. So, how would merit pay drive public school teachers away? It seems to work find in private schools (& they turn out a much, much better prepared individual on average). Again, the money tax payers spend on public schools per pupil is close to the price of private school tuition and private schools seem to do a bang up job, so what is wrong with vouchers? Those who can will, those who can't won't.
3/26/2011 8:52:17 AM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	All that I can say is you need to spend about a week at a school and see what all goes on......Just like the politicians need to do... When the politicians decided that we need to go to all inclusion classrooms, is when the problems started. How are teachers suppose to teach when there are behavior problems and children who can't learn in their classrooms. Is that fair???? My ex-husband is retired from the prison system and let me tell you those prisoners have it better then some hard working Americans...............
3/26/2011 9:08:41 AM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	You have stated several times that a merit system would drive teachers away. I'd like to know why is it that you think that way. I just don't see it. In fact the only thing I can justify that with would be a derogatory statement towards teachers, so I just won't express that thought, because I know it is not true. If it were up to me, I'd not only have vouchers, but I'd also have trade schools as well. Some kids won't do 12 years of basic academia, there comes a point when they not only become to much of a burden, but they destroy education for those who want to learn (vouchers will help with that as well). We should see what these kids would like to learn as a trade. We need plumbers, electricians, mechanics, etc too. There is nothing wrong ensuring they have basic reading, writing and 'rithmatic skills then allowing them to train in a trade of their choosing not everyone can be brain scientists or rocket surgeons. There's all sorts of other environmental aspects that play into this, from the war on drugs to the war on poverty. Drugs being illegal means the price goes up, those who deal drugs make humongous amounts of money and there's little to no skill involved. Legalize it (& I ain't choosing what to legalize right now) and not only does the price drop, but the allure of selling drops as well. The war on poverty has done nothing but create even more poverty, illiteracy and out of wed-locked children. It too is a major failure and it too only ask for more money to continue to drive that failure rate even higher. Insanity is what? Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different outcome. Don't make me king of thew world, it won't be pretty at first. (Opinions expressed are purely my own. Any rational thought given to these opinions by myself or agreement of others are purely coincidental).
3/26/2011 9:15:33 AM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	I will reply to this in awhile and with some thought. Right now I have a electrician here, who I guess does not work on merit pay. I just hope that he knows what he is doing. He is rewiring my kitchen........
3/26/2011 9:49:34 AM	Holy Crapola
luesgirl Cocoa, FL 60, joined Jul. 2010	Ok, I'm a grandparent who babysits my school age grandkids, 2nd and 4th grades, I see both sides and try to work my my kids' teachers, basically the parents anymore think it's teachers job to raise the kids. The schools get the kids in morning feed them breakfast because so many kids don't get it at home, My grands I feed before they get on bus at 720. Then it's turn in planners that parents are suppose to look at and sign whoppee how many u think even look to see if their kids got a smiley face, did homework, or gave them praise for good work. Some of the kids have lunch at 1045. Get home at 230. They bring home notes from teachers that never are brought back signed, weekly planners, weekly homework assignments, weekly reading charts that the kids are suppose to list the books and time that they read, writing assignments for FCAT. The schools have so much that's required for fcat for hire grades and if the kids special ed. Ugh! I spend 1 1/2 hours a day on homework after school the boys just get home from school and they get their snack and start homework. Parents complain it wasn't like in our day when we did our homework parents were at PTA and everyone worked together. Parents today are like school is for daytime, kids then rebel too. Parents are busy on facebook not spending time with the kids, or other computer things. I talk more to my grandkids teachers and go to school things than any parents for any of grandkids. I have 10, 4 in area. I've heard young parents who want to be part of their kids learning process the ones who were same place i was at their kids special events at school, and I've heard others at teacher parent night complaining that teachers want parents to do their job. This generation was taught they've chose to stupid up to be a rap generation we of the 60-70's generation had our rebellion but these kids they have all this technology and have dummed up from using their minds from common sense and the gov. I'm sorry I could go all day on this. My cousin is a teacher in Madison WI she was one of the protestors at the capitol. They lost a lot of their beneifits and they're all Union up there.
3/26/2011 10:17:14 AM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	Thank you sweetie, I know that we have chatted before. The parents just don't know what to do with the kids any more. There are some parents of children that teachers don't even see at all, or can't get them on the phone. We always have the wrong phone numbers or they have been disconnected.... Now Tampa Bob Back to the Merit pay.... Merit pay will put teachers against teachers, will be alot of back stabbing. If you know what I mean. Also, teachers and/or administrators will try to stack the classes. If they like the teachers they will give them the better behaving students and the ones that want to learn. It's just like when you have to go through the yearly evaluation. If the person likes you it will be a great evaluation. Or two different people can see the same thing in two different ways.......It's all a matter of someone's opinion... I also belong to a union, but I really don't see how they are helping. Just think about this Florida's teacher are among the lowest paid in the country.
3/26/2011 10:41:35 AM	Holy Crapola
beau987 Edgewater, FL 62, joined Jul. 2010	I would have been for the voucher system as we home schooled our kids. The oldest graduated second in her class and is a first year elementary teacher. My ex wife and I had the necessary skills to get them ready for the world and further education. I would dare say many may not have the skills necessary to educate there kids. But, that will not stop some from trying and failing or worse yet take the money and skip the education part. If the vouchers are used in select schools that may be something that would work. I for one once thought teachers were paid good enough. However, seeing how much time a teacher is required to put in off the clock I am very disappointed that Florida ranks 47th. among the 50 state in pay. I would dare say no other professionally train group would stand for $36,000 including wages benefits annually. For a 60 hour a week job. As far as pay for performance I thought that sounded good too. However the reality is the standardized test is NOT a good measure of ability. Parents lack of interest in there child's education and behavior is a huge problem. In addition the lack of concern as to being at school on time or at all for that matter. Some kids do not test well yet can do the work. Federal and state intrusion into the class room inhibits education. We don't need more money in the educational system. The redirection of current funds and less intrusion in school would go a long way. The educational system is over burdened with bureaucracy. Cut that stuff out and the system will improve. My proof! Look back 40-50 years. Test scores were higher. The graduation rate was much higher and there was no FEDERAL DEPT. EDUCATION. It cost to much and have nothing to show for it except federal parer pushers. JMHO One more thing. Why is it so hard for educated people to admit they are wrong? Why is it so hard for them to look back and see the solution than continue to try to fix a system that gets worse every time they touch it. [Edited 3/26/2011 10:47:36 AM ]
3/26/2011 10:50:17 AM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	Quote from beau987: I would have been for the voucher system as we home schooled our kids. The oldest graduated second in her class and is a first year elementary teacher. My ex wife and I had the necessary skills to get them ready for the world and further education. I would dare say many may not have the skills necessary to educate there kids. But, that will not stop some from trying and failing or worse yet take the money and skip the education part. If the vouchers are used in select schools that may be something that would work. I for one once thought teachers were paid good enough. However, seeing how much time a teacher is required to put in off the clock I am very disappointed that Florida ranks 47th. among the 50 state in pay. I would dare say no other professionally train group would stand for $36,000 including wages benefits annually. For a 60 hour a week job. As far as pay for performance I thought that sounded good too. However the reality is the standardized test is NOT a good measure of ability. Parents lack of interest in there child's education and behavior is a huge problem. In addition the lack of concern as to being at school on time or at all for that matter. Some kids do not test well yet can do the work. Federal and state intrusion into the class room inhibits education. We don't need more money in the educational system. The redirection of current funds and less intrusion in school would go a long way. The educational system is over burdened with bureaucracy. Cut that stuff out and the system will improve. My proof! Look back 40-50 years. Test scores were higher and there was no federal dept of EDUCATION. It cost to much and have nothing to show for it except federal parer pushers. JMHO BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone who gets it..........Thank You Sir, It is to the poin that teachers have no rights at all, I remember back in the late 70's when I was in high school, the teachers were able to walk out on strike. I am not saying to do it again, but it sure made a impact back then. Also, I remember that we as students had a sit-in for are teachers......What memories.. What ever happened to respect for teachers, if the parents don't have respect then how will the kids learn to respect teachers.......
3/26/2011 11:09:45 AM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ucfsweetnanny: Merit pay will put teachers against teachers, will be alot of back stabbing. If you know what I mean. Also, teachers and/or administrators will try to stack the classes. If they like the teachers they will give them the better behaving students and the ones that want to learn. It's just like when you have to go through the yearly evaluation. If the person likes you it will be a great evaluation. Or two different people can see the same thing in two different ways.......It's all a matter of someone's opinion... WOW! So what you are basically saying is that the teaching profession attracts these kinds of people? Petty, shallow and untrustworthy? I really don't think so, but then again I am not in that industry. There would probably be a system of checks and balances in something that is mandatory for all children to attend, there would have to be some oversight. Now I have interacted with people like that both as co-workers and management and they usually don't last long, they're "found out" so to speak. And I have been in the military where my superiors have an opportunity to override my evaluation of junior ranks (if I remember correctly I think there were 3 levels to sign of on an appraisal).
3/26/2011 11:23:46 AM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	Quote from tampa_bob: WOW! So what you are basically saying is that the teaching profession attracts these kinds of people? Petty, shallow and untrustworthy? I really don't think so, but then again I am not in that industry. There would probably be a system of checks and balances in something that is mandatory for all children to attend, there would have to be some oversight. Now I have interacted with people like that both as co-workers and management and they usually don't last long, they're "found out" so to speak. And I have been in the military where my superiors have an opportunity to override my evaluation of junior ranks (if I remember correctly I think there were 3 levels to sign of on an appraisal). I don't think that I said that the teaching profession attracts those kind of people, those kind of people are at every job....... You are right you are not in this profession, so maybe, just maybe you might not understand how things really are... We make less money for more work...Can teachers just leave work at 40 hours a week I don't think so............most have to bring their work home with them..... Teachers hands are really tired, when dealing with behavior problems and disrespectful students. Teacher put up with alot for less pay is what I am trying to say..... If you totally believe in private schools good for you, that is your right...... What about merit pay for the a**holes who are in governement?????? Who are tearing this country apart.........who help other countries before helping their own...........Boy we sure do have this thread way off topic........ But just come and walk in any teachers shoes for a few days.......I dare you.....
3/26/2011 11:28:01 AM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	What ever happened to respect for teachers, if the parents don't have respect then how will the kids learn to respect teachers....... Kids don't have respect *period* Now who do we blame that on? Kids have to many "rights" today, more than I did growing up. And I faced corporal punishment in school and believe you me, it kept me in line and my mom and everyone else's parents I knew of didn't mind it one bit. And there was no such thing as ADD back then either, it was called "being normal a little boy." and the nun's yardstick or pointer was the only medicine needed. It didn't even need to be used, just the threat was more than enough. As for the salaries of rookie teachers, compare them to an E1 in the Marines or Army ($15K annually), both choose that profession knowing full well the compensation.
3/26/2011 11:31:14 AM	Holy Crapola
littlee442 Mount Dora, FL 67, joined May. 2009	http://www.calnews.com/Archives/1YB_II_sal.htm Sorry, but I make less than the "Average FL. teacher", I put in more hours per year, & I deal with the "Public" which is no worse than dealing with their stupid a** kids. [Edited 3/26/2011 11:35:55 AM ]
3/26/2011 11:39:24 AM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ucfsweetnanny: I don't think that I said that the teaching profession attracts those kind of people, those kind of people are at every job....... That was due to your reply in defense of your anti-merit pay stance. You painted with a mighty broad brush there.
3/26/2011 11:50:36 AM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	So wait a minute now you want me to feel sorry for you and the job that you chose to do......Think not....... You are the one who started to topic about merit pay, not I............ Teachers got into this profession for the love of children, so how can they go ahead and change the rules on them now......... you are a guy so I think that I will let you win this one, this is getting really old....I am finished with this have a great life...........and just think who will be suffering if you get your way on things.........Make sure that you go have a talk with our new governor, I bet that he will totally agree with you seeing how he is a crook.
3/26/2011 12:00:07 PM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from lrds: I cant leave you people alone to long.... what the heck we have people here just for sex and now booty calls what ever happened to people respecting them selves and pride and love and values holy shit i see its all in the crapper now, I think DH should set up a room for Florida People age specific because these kids in there 20's all they think about is free sex and no respect for themselves. Then they wonder why they get treated like crap... Values people set Values for your self or no one will ever respect you or treat you like a Lady or Gentleman .... Holy Hamburgers and for those people who have a hard time with there grammar there's a spell check you can use OMG someone throw me a life saver Whereas we have had some very unpleasant posts from the younger generation I choose to just ignore them but feel sad for them instead because who am I to judge because I know nothing about their background but I can see how they may have become like that, disfunctional families maybe, you can trust me on that from the volunteer work I do, no wonder there are so many angry young people out there and I can understand how hopeless they may feel about their future, I pray that they will learn in time but they certainly will not learn a lot from some of us because of our behavior in those instances, belittering and arguing with them, in a childess way instead of offering advise in a respectful manner or just don't post anything at all. But, we have also had some very inteligent and insightful young people here that have had interesting topics, yes they are in the minority but, for, me I enjoy hearing from everybody young, old, and from every aspects of life. I do not beleive in speration of ages that, to me, is prejugism (probably missspelled) I do not beleive in treating them like crab. My toolbar dissapeared so I have no spellcheck at the moment, so so sorry. I did notice a several errors in your post though. And now I have a quiestion, for you, excatly how much did you yourself think about sex at that age and were most of us not all knowing back then?? then. This is not all directed at you and you may also have noticed I used the word "us"
3/26/2011 12:04:24 PM	Holy Crapola
ireneann Stuart, FL 62, joined Dec. 2009	Quote from littlee442: http://www.calnews.com/Archives/1YB_II_sal.htm Sorry, but I make less than the "Average FL. teacher", I put in more hours per year, & I deal with the "Public" which is no worse than dealing with their stupid a** kids. To be at a point~~~~~~~On topic or off...You, Lori, Sharon, Bob and Beau have made some great points which are your honest opinions of what you all know in our system today...Do not get discouraged with each other..You are all correct in some way. But there is one feller here I will write this to~~~~~~Mr.little....please do not ever refer to a child or a kid as a stupid ass....because there is no such thing.
3/26/2011 12:08:42 PM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from lrds: I cant leave you people alone to long.... what the heck we have people here just for sex and now booty calls what ever happened to people respecting them selves and pride and love and values holy shit i see its all in the crapper now, I think DH should set up a room for Florida People age specific because these kids in there 20's all they think about is free sex and no respect for themselves. Then they wonder why they get treated like crap... Values people set Values for your self or no one will ever respect you or treat you like a Lady or Gentleman .... Holy Hamburgers and for those people who have a hard time with there grammar there's a spell check you can use OMG someone throw me a life saver Whereas we have had some very unpleasant posts from the younger generation here I choose to just ignore them but feel sad for them instead because who am I to judge because I know nothing about their background but I can see how they may have become like that, disfunctional families maybe, you can trust me on that from the volunteer work I do, no wonder there are so many angry young people out there and I can understand how hopeless they may feel about their future, I pray that they will learn in time but they certainly will not learn a lot from some of us because of our behavior in those instances, belittering and arguing with them in a childis way instead of offering advise in a respectful kind manner or just don't post anything at all. But, we have also had some very inteligent and insightful young people here that have had interesting topics, yes they are in the minority but, for, me I enjoy hearing from everybody, young, old, and from every aspects of life. I do not beleive in speration of ages that, to me, is pregigist(probably missspelled) I do not beleive in treating them like crab at any time, what would that make me ? My toolbar dissapeared so I have no spellcheck at the moment, so so sorry. I did notice a several errors in your post though. And now I have a quiestion, for you, excatly how much did you yourself not think about sex at that age and were most of us not all knowing back then too ?? This is not all directed at you personally, just my opinion as we are all entitled to have. [Edited 3/26/2011 12:12:37 PM ]
3/26/2011 12:11:43 PM	Holy Crapola
littlee442 Mount Dora, FL 67, joined May. 2009	But there is one feller here I will write this to~~~~~~Mr.little....please do not ever refer to a child or a kid as a stupid ass....because there is no such thing.
3/26/2011 12:22:57 PM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ucfsweetnanny: So wait a minute now you want me to feel sorry for you and the job that you chose to do......Think not....... Now where did I even *hint* at so doing? I'm just saying that teaching isn't the only profession with difficulties, hence my "We all have war stories".
3/26/2011 12:30:09 PM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from tampa_bob: Kids don't have respect *period* Now who do we blame that on? Kids have to many "rights" today, more than I did growing up. And I faced corporal punishment in school and believe you me, it kept me in line and my mom and everyone else's parents I knew of didn't mind it one bit. And there was no such thing as ADD back then either, it was called "being normal a little boy." and the nun's yardstick or pointer was the only medicine needed. It didn't even need to be used, just the threat was more than enough. As for the salaries of rookie teachers, compare them to an E1 in the Marines or Army ($15K annually), both choose that profession knowing full well the compensation. No one have the right to inflict corporal punishment on a child, there are many many more much bettter ways to teach children and there a hundres of books teaching us just that. Inflicting pain is cruelty in the worst way no matter what age. Unruly and out of hand kids is a direct result of bad parenting.
3/26/2011 12:34:41 PM	Holy Crapola
ucfsweetnanny Cocoa, FL 56, joined Dec. 2009	Oh Dear Scandi, Thank You........ Parents just like to put the blame on other people.......... Your need a license to drive at car and a license to teach, but any one can be a parent.......
3/26/2011 12:54:02 PM	Holy Crapola
tampa_bob Tampa, FL 60, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from scandi: No one have the right to inflict corporal punishment on a child, there are many many more much bettter ways to teach children and there a hundres of books teaching us just that. Inflicting pain is cruelty in the worst way no matter what age. Unruly and out of hand kids is a direct result of bad parenting. And since the inception of that line of thinking, we have come to this point. So how's it working out, better or worse? Ask the teacher here and I think I'll agree with her on what she says. And as someone who used to hire techs I'd rather have experience over book knowledge any day of the week. My girls each received a single smack on their butt only once from me, followed by a loud and resounding "NO!". That smack stung them I'm sure, but more importantly it scared them. I choose the time when to do that, they were about 7 or so, they knowingly knew what ever it was they were doing was wrong. I never, ever had to smack either of their butts again. The "NO" worked every time. They heard that, they stopped. Even when they were teens and perhaps it "may" even work today. Pavlov's puppies have nothing on a Dad's NO! Now their Mom? Different story. She didn't believe in corporal punishment either. And to this day she still can't control the youngest, why the youngest walks all over her, but when it comes to me she respects and loves me. Of that there is little doubt. I bailed her butt out of a situation like I always told her I would do, no questions asked, but the next day she dealt with Dad the enforcer and I was fair with her and that's all a parent can do, be fair and strong and she accepted that. Both of them know than when it gets bad, call Dad, even though he spanked them once.
3/27/2011 9:24:09 PM	Holy Crapola
younger56 Crestview, FL 64, joined Feb. 2010	Spare the rod and spoil the child. Where did that come from????? Every child is different and disipline is very neccassary. Children need to be taught or they will grow up extremely self-centered and selfish. (Self rule run riot) The learning method most effective is, Tell(verbal), Show(teacher demonstrates), Do (have student demonstrate),then access, then repeat one time or 5,000 times over. Do we not all learn best by doing? Parents and Teachers have a duty to their charges to try to reach every child on their own level. Corporal punishment has it's place in education, but I believe should be at the hands of the parents. This should be used for exterme circumstances IE: lies, theft,cheating moral misstepps or repeated unacceptable behavior etc... God is intentional in this matter or we would be as animals and act according to intinct. The gray matter in our brains is the difference between humans and animals. When a person is out of control wheather on drugs or exterme emotional distress the animal instinct takes over. That is when most violent behavior kicks in. Learning self control is of utmost importance in educating children, they must be ultimately able to control themselves in a civilized manner or face the laws of the land. Control yourself or be controled!!!! Why are our jails full? What example are you setting?
3/28/2011 5:15:56 AM	Holy Crapola
olddi Daytona Beach, FL 59, joined Sep. 2009	You can say that again an again ,They won't even read this LoL . di
3/29/2011 8:52:17 AM	Holy Crapola
lrds Holiday, FL 55, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from scandi: Whereas we have had some very unpleasant posts from the younger generation here I choose to just ignore them but feel sad for them instead because who am I to judge because I know nothing about their background but I can see how they may have become like that, disfunctional families maybe, you can trust me on that from the volunteer work I do, no wonder there are so many angry young people out there and I can understand how hopeless they may feel about their future, I pray that they will learn in time but they certainly will not learn a lot from some of us because of our behavior in those instances, belittering and arguing with them in a childis way instead of offering advise in a respectful kind manner or just don't post anything at all. But, we have also had some very inteligent and insightful young people here that have had interesting topics, yes they are in the minority but, for, me I enjoy hearing from everybody, young, old, and from every aspects of life. I do not beleive in speration of ages that, to me, is pregigist(probably missspelled) I do not beleive in treating them like crab at any time, what would that make me ? My toolbar dissapeared so I have no spellcheck at the moment, so so sorry. I did notice a several errors in your post though. And now I have a quiestion, for you, excatly how much did you yourself not think about sex at that age and were most of us not all knowing back then too ?? This is not all directed at you personally, just my opinion as we are all entitled to have. Sandi It's not the thinking about sex at that age but to make a topic showing that's the only reason for them being here? Then to totally desecrate the English language the way they do ...or better known as ghetto lingo, give me a break if I want Ghetto Id live back in the bronx
3/29/2011 12:16:16 PM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from lrds: Sandi It's not the thinking about sex at that age but to make a topic showing that's the only reason for them being here? Then to totally desecrate the English language the way they do ...or better known as ghetto lingo, give me a break if I want Ghetto Id live back in the bronx Ghetto language is what they have learned from their environemnt so again, who are we to judge these young people and you, yourself, brought up the subject that all they think about is sex, did you not yourself do that at that age, and again they are young so of course that's on their mind a lot, and when you talk about them having their own thread how are they to learn, maybe we could teach them a thing or two, that is called accepting and compassion for people as they are in the sad world that we have today. Everyone should be welcome here it's how we respond to them that matters. Segregation is just wrong. BTW you have several errors in your post again. And as for having self recpect for themselves how in the world can they possible have have that considering their upbringing Scandi
3/29/2011 9:52:59 PM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	So do you have tha guts to respond ?
3/29/2011 10:04:42 PM	Holy Crapola
younger56 Crestview, FL 64, joined Feb. 2010	Fish guts!!
3/29/2011 10:29:59 PM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	He doesn't even have that
3/29/2011 10:51:46 PM	Holy Crapola
hildaback Jacksonville, FL 57, joined Sep. 2010	I do think some people do forget what it was like to be in their 20's. I had a great upbringing. Believe me my mom did not let us get away with much. When I got around my friends you would of thought I grew up on the streets. I do not think any of us talked the same around friends as our parents. It did not mean we did not know how.It just wasn't cool to talk like our parents.
3/30/2011 7:36:40 AM	Holy Crapola
lrds Holiday, FL 55, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from scandi: So do you have tha guts to respond ? I have the guts to respond i just don't sit on here all day waiting for a response. there up bringing shouldn't be the factor, shouldn't they want better for themselves? And as far as segregation goes well I don't think its wrong when all they do is get flack for it anyways, would you want to be in a place where everything you say ( which is primarily about sex) is going under the gun? so on one hand you say no to it but your one of the people i see on there thread talking about it and flagging there post!!! And just FYI don't mistake my no response as not having the guts I just have a life beyond DH. ANd you said didn't i think about sex at there age... yes and no I was busy WORKING supporting a family and a household not sitting on a site chatting about getting some, SO see the difference I had and still have values where they don't. and having a few mistypes compared to slaughtering the English language is like comparing apples and watermelons. DOnt you agree?
3/30/2011 7:48:49 AM	Holy Crapola
lrds Holiday, FL 55, joined Dec. 2010	and do you remember saying this Sandi? Quote from scandi: I am not the best speller in the world by any means but when I read something that I barely understand I wonder where these people went to school, that if they did at all. So now who's talking about peoples education?
3/30/2011 8:06:47 AM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from lrds: and do you remember saying this Sandi? Quote from scandi: I am not the best speller in the world by any means but when I read something that I barely understand I wonder where these people went to school, that if they did at all. So now who's talking about peoples education? And I stand by that too, it all corelates, parenting, skipping school and what is considered cool. Acceptance and compassion is the word. The ones I have flagged have been far too disgusting and hateful. You yourself wrote in you first post that all they think about is sex. So we will just have to agree to diagree. I am done
3/30/2011 9:20:00 AM	Holy Crapola
lrds Holiday, FL 55, joined Dec. 2010	And I will stick to what I said that's all they think about is Sex. and suggesting segregation is in the Florida chat like they have a 20's rooms 30's room 40's room and so on get the picture. So the Horny 20 yr old's can gather and release there frustration with each other instead of in a group of people that wouldn't want to have sex with a 20 yr old, I know I don't it would be like having sex with my daughter YUCK now maybe you might want to have sex with a 20 yr old not saying you would but might but i couldn't. also as a side not... its about people mostly young women who have no self respect and think that in order to have a relationship they have to drop there pants then complain that guys treat them like shit...
3/30/2011 12:58:08 PM	Holy Crapola
scandi Delray Beach, FL 67, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from lrds: And I will stick to what I said that's all they think about is Sex. and suggesting segregation is in the Florida chat like they have a 20's rooms 30's room 40's room and so on get the picture. So the Horny 20 yr old's can gather and release there frustration with each other instead of in a group of people that wouldn't want to have sex with a 20 yr old, I know I don't it would be like having sex with my daughter YUCK now maybe you might want to have sex with a 20 yr old not saying you would but might but i couldn't. also as a side not... its about people mostly young women who have no self respect and think that in order to have a relationship they have to drop there pants then complain that guys treat them like shit... - I said I was done but now I am certainly not. Are the 30, 40 and 50's rooms only reserved for certain people ?? and if some other group want to do so tnen tnat's their right too and not for us to decide And for you to even suggest that I may have sex with a 20 year old is more than highly insulting, not all women are like that, even the very young ones, and I am most certainly not one of them as I have selfrespect. And why even mention what some women do that is their problem and not yours or mine and have no place here. I suggested that we just have to agree to disagree but I'll bet you will just have to have the last word on this too. Let it go. [Edited 3/30/2011 1:03:44 PM ]
3/30/2011 3:06:09 PM	Holy Crapola
lrds Holiday, FL 55, joined Dec. 2010	because its how i feel if people in there 20's that all they want to do is talk about is getting some and keep posting the same thing why not give them there own room within Florida chat? this way the older people don't have to see or hear how the 20 yr olds hormones are in over drive.... that's how dare I.... Seems like you want to be able to to say what goes on here in DH but people do have there opinions, so you can stick to your's and I will stick to mine ... Game over have a nice day

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