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1/14/2012 1:20:40 AM The Book of Ruth  
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Here is an amazing explanation of the book of Ruth. The actual beginnings are in Genesis believe it or not, probably close to 500 years prior!!

It kind of seems boring at first, but the pay off is tremendous!! Start at 28 minute mark



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1/14/2012 1:28:47 AM The Book of Ruth  
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By the way, if anyone watches this and doesn't come away knowing without a doubt that the word of God is authentic, they have been blinded by Him for some reason.

1/14/2012 5:28:58 AM The Book of Ruth  
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do we need him to come away that God is authentic?


RUTH, BOOK OF:

This Bible book takes its name from one of its principal characters, Ruth the Moabitess. The narrative shows how Ruth became an ancestress of David by undergoing brother-in-law marriage with Boaz in behalf of her mother-in-law Naomi. The appreciation, loyalty, and the trust in Jehovah that were manifested by Boaz, Naomi, and Ruth permeate the account.—Ru 1:8, 9, 16, 17; 2:4, 10-13, 19, 20; 3:9-13; 4:10.
With the exception of the genealogical listing (Ru 4:18-22), the events related in the book of Ruth cover a period of about 11 years in the time of the Judges, though it is not stated exactly when it was during this period that they occurred.—Ru 1:1, 4, 22; 2:23; 4:13.
Jewish tradition credits Samuel with the writership of the book, and this would not disagree with internal evidence. The fact that the account concludes with David’s genealogy suggests that the writer knew about God’s purpose respecting David. This would fit Samuel, for he was the one who anointed David to be king. Therefore, it would also have been appropriate for Samuel to make a record of David’s ancestral background.—1Sa 16:1, 13.
Authenticity and Value. That the book of Ruth is historical is confirmed by Matthew’s genealogy of Jesus Christ, which lists Boaz, Ruth, and Obed in the line of descent. (Mt 1:5; compare Ru 4:18-22; 1Ch 2:5, 9-15.) Moreover, it is inconceivable that a Hebrew writer would have deliberately invented a foreign maternal ancestry for David, the first king in the royal line of Judah.

The historical record provides background material that illustrates and illuminates other parts of the Bible. The application of the laws involving gleaning (Le 19:9, 10; De 24:19-22; Ru 2:1, 3, 7, 15-17, 23) and brother-in-law marriage (De 25:5-10; Ru 3:7-13; 4:1-13) are vividly portrayed. There is evidence of Jehovah’s guidance in the preservation of the line of descent leading to the Messiah and also in the choice of individuals for that line. Israelite women who were married to a man of the tribe of Judah had the possible prospect of contributing to Messiah’s earthly line of descent. (Ge 49:10) The fact that Ruth, a Moabitess, was so favored illustrates the principle stated by the apostle Paul: “It depends, not upon the one wishing nor upon the one running, but upon God, who has mercy.” (Ro 9:16) Ruth had chosen Jehovah as her God and Israel as her people, and in his great mercy, Jehovah granted to her “a perfect wage” in permitting her to become a link in the most important line of descent.—Ru 2:12; 4:13-17.
[Box on page 829]

HIGHLIGHTS OF RUTH
A narrative showing how the God-fearing Moabitess Ruth was blessed by Jehovah by becoming part of the unbroken Messianic line leading to King David
Setting is during the time of the Judges; writing was likely completed about 1090 B.C.E.
Ruth decides to stay with Naomi and her God, Jehovah (1:1-22)
Childless and widowed, Ruth and Orpah accompany their mother-in-law Naomi, widow of Elimelech, as she departs from Moab to return to Judah
Dissuaded by Naomi’s words regarding the bleak prospects for remarriage, Orpah turns back
Ruth is undeterred; she declares that Naomi’s people will be her people and Naomi’s God her God
Finally, Ruth and Naomi arrive in Bethlehem
Ruth gleans in the field of Boaz (2:1–3:18)
By chance, Ruth begins gleaning in the field of Boaz, a kinsman of Elimelech, and gains his favorable attention
Ruth continues gleaning in Boaz’ field until the end of the barley and wheat harvests
Then, following Naomi’s instructions, Ruth requests Boaz to act as a repurchaser; Boaz is willing, but there is a man more closely related to Naomi than he is
Boaz, as repurchaser, marries Ruth (4:1-22)
Before ten elders of Bethlehem, Boaz offers the closer relative the opportunity to repurchase the field of Elimelech and to raise up offspring for the dead man by performing brother-in-law marriage with Ruth
When the relative declines, Boaz acts as repurchaser
The union of Boaz and Ruth is blessed with the birth of a son, Obed, the grandfather of King David

1/14/2012 9:50:23 AM The Book of Ruth  
robb2k
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Quote from themajesticone:
do we need him to come away that God is authentic?


RUTH, BOOK OF:

This Bible book takes its name from one of its principal characters, Ruth the Moabitess. The narrative shows how Ruth became an ancestress of David by undergoing brother-in-law marriage with Boaz in behalf of her mother-in-law Naomi. The appreciation, loyalty, and the trust in Jehovah that were manifested by Boaz, Naomi, and Ruth permeate the account.—Ru 1:8, 9, 16, 17; 2:4, 10-13, 19, 20; 3:9-13; 4:10.
With the exception of the genealogical listing (Ru 4:18-22), the events related in the book of Ruth cover a period of about 11 years in the time of the Judges, though it is not stated exactly when it was during this period that they occurred.—Ru 1:1, 4, 22; 2:23; 4:13.
Jewish tradition credits Samuel with the writership of the book, and this would not disagree with internal evidence. The fact that the account concludes with David’s genealogy suggests that the writer knew about God’s purpose respecting David. This would fit Samuel, for he was the one who anointed David to be king. Therefore, it would also have been appropriate for Samuel to make a record of David’s ancestral background.—1Sa 16:1, 13.
Authenticity and Value. That the book of Ruth is historical is confirmed by Matthew’s genealogy of Jesus Christ, which lists Boaz, Ruth, and Obed in the line of descent. (Mt 1:5; compare Ru 4:18-22; 1Ch 2:5, 9-15.) Moreover, it is inconceivable that a Hebrew writer would have deliberately invented a foreign maternal ancestry for David, the first king in the royal line of Judah.

The historical record provides background material that illustrates and illuminates other parts of the Bible. The application of the laws involving gleaning (Le 19:9, 10; De 24:19-22; Ru 2:1, 3, 7, 15-17, 23) and brother-in-law marriage (De 25:5-10; Ru 3:7-13; 4:1-13) are vividly portrayed. There is evidence of Jehovah’s guidance in the preservation of the line of descent leading to the Messiah and also in the choice of individuals for that line. Israelite women who were married to a man of the tribe of Judah had the possible prospect of contributing to Messiah’s earthly line of descent. (Ge 49:10) The fact that Ruth, a Moabitess, was so favored illustrates the principle stated by the apostle Paul: “It depends, not upon the one wishing nor upon the one running, but upon God, who has mercy.” (Ro 9:16) Ruth had chosen Jehovah as her God and Israel as her people, and in his great mercy, Jehovah granted to her “a perfect wage” in permitting her to become a link in the most important line of descent.—Ru 2:12; 4:13-17.
[Box on page 829]

HIGHLIGHTS OF RUTH
A narrative showing how the God-fearing Moabitess Ruth was blessed by Jehovah by becoming part of the unbroken Messianic line leading to King David
Setting is during the time of the Judges; writing was likely completed about 1090 B.C.E.
Ruth decides to stay with Naomi and her God, Jehovah (1:1-22)
Childless and widowed, Ruth and Orpah accompany their mother-in-law Naomi, widow of Elimelech, as she departs from Moab to return to Judah
Dissuaded by Naomi’s words regarding the bleak prospects for remarriage, Orpah turns back
Ruth is undeterred; she declares that Naomi’s people will be her people and Naomi’s God her God
Finally, Ruth and Naomi arrive in Bethlehem
Ruth gleans in the field of Boaz (2:1–3:18)
By chance, Ruth begins gleaning in the field of Boaz, a kinsman of Elimelech, and gains his favorable attention
Ruth continues gleaning in Boaz’ field until the end of the barley and wheat harvests
Then, following Naomi’s instructions, Ruth requests Boaz to act as a repurchaser; Boaz is willing, but there is a man more closely related to Naomi than he is
Boaz, as repurchaser, marries Ruth (4:1-22)
Before ten elders of Bethlehem, Boaz offers the closer relative the opportunity to repurchase the field of Elimelech and to raise up offspring for the dead man by performing brother-in-law marriage with Ruth
When the relative declines, Boaz acts as repurchaser
The union of Boaz and Ruth is blessed with the birth of a son, Obed, the grandfather of King David



Listen dude, first, you're rude. Second, that outline is very generic, lacking half of the deeper meaning honestly. And 3rd, I have tried to be nice to you because I do see you as a brother in Christ, barely, because you won't acknowledge Him. HE IS GOD INCARNATE!!!! So until you figure that out, don't pollute my threads.

By the way, that's called excommunication. You have been rebuked for bad doctrine.



[Edited 1/14/2012 9:52:19 AM ]

1/14/2012 2:17:56 PM The Book of Ruth  
paladin55
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Quote from robb2k:
Here is an amazing explanation of the book of Ruth. The actual beginnings are in Genesis believe it or not, ...


Gee.

Believe it or not, all scripture started in the book of Genesis! What's so profound about that?

NOTE! I did not say, 'Starts with', I specifically said "Starts IN". Lets make sure you have your points correct before you jump on me.



1/14/2012 3:28:05 PM The Book of Ruth  
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Quote from jazzychick:
I love the story of Ruth. That was a great video teaching. Thanks for sharing it. Lots of great wisdom there!


I agree. It represents the bringing together the Jew & Gentile.

1/14/2012 4:06:02 PM The Book of Ruth  
curlydreamin
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that was a wonderful teaching of the book of Ruth Robb! thanks for sharing!...

1/14/2012 4:43:36 PM The Book of Ruth  
robb2k
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Thanks guys, and I know the story of Ruth is well known. I just gleaned more out of this teaching than anywhere else before.

Paladin, I know my post to majestic was harsh, and I only hope that he can see the divinity in Christ. I understand that Jehovah Witnesses think of non JW's as idol worshipers, but hey, what can I say, that is just not the case.

1/14/2012 4:50:41 PM The Book of Ruth  
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I just finished watching the vid - very interesting stuff.

1/14/2012 5:01:12 PM The Book of Ruth  
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Quote from robb2k:
Paladin, I know my post to majestic was harsh,


I don't think it was, Mr Magoo is a disruptive, childish, inconsiderate and abusive poster with no respect, he spams the threads with copious amounts of material often not related to the threads. I block him as soon as his new profile pops up. Same with that other drone from the Watchtower Collective Pallydin.



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1/14/2012 6:53:21 PM The Book of Ruth  
lookinggood22
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The major problem of Ruth was Deuteronomy 23:3-6 says the Jews were to have no part of the Moabites forever or 10 generations, which ever came first.

God never wanted Israel to have a King. Why do we try to make it seem like God changed His mind and now accepts David?

1/14/2012 7:39:49 PM The Book of Ruth  
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Quote from lookinggood22:
The major problem of Ruth was Deuteronomy 23:3-6 says the Jews were to have no part of the Moabites forever or 10 generations, which ever came first.

God never wanted Israel to have a King. Why do we try to make it seem like God changed His mind and now accepts David?

He didn't want them to have a King, He was to be King, but it was a necessary thing at the time, or Jehovah woulnt have let it happen.

1/14/2012 7:47:07 PM The Book of Ruth  
lookinggood22
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Quote from themajesticone:
He didn't want them to have a King, He was to be King, but it was a necessary thing at the time, or Jehovah woulnt have let it happen.


Whenever we sin, God has to use plan B.

If there was a King David, he was never plan A.

1/14/2012 7:53:18 PM The Book of Ruth  
themajesticone
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Quote from robb2k:
Thanks guys, and I know the story of Ruth is well known. I just gleaned more out of this teaching than anywhere else before.

Paladin, I know my post to majestic was harsh, and I only hope that he can see the divinity in Christ. I understand that Jehovah Witnesses think of non JW's as idol worshipers, but hey, what can I say, that is just not the case.

robb, God has let you make your own decisions, just like He has for every one, even Eve and Adam. i wasn't rude, some times people are just plain straight, and some times the truth hurts.
Being a JW of my own free well, i also check tings out for myself, and it still comes out the aME, THERE IS NO TRINITY, IT IS NOTHING BUT A COMIC BOOK DREAM, jEHOVAH MADE A sON, THE sON AGREES AND SO DID THE PEOPLE IN THE bIBLE, SO, I DONT SAY YOUR RUDE BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE, I JUST SAY YOU HAVE TIME TO SEE THE TRUTH, SO PLEASE, TAKE IT EASY. oops. caps sorry.

1/14/2012 7:55:41 PM The Book of Ruth  
themajesticone
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Quote from lookinggood22:
Whenever we sin, God has to use plan B.

If there was a King David, he was never plan A.

i would have to agree with you on that. except, God did say there would be a savoir that would come through the DAVID LINE, SO, ANY QUESTIONS? darn caps, sorry.

1/14/2012 8:20:19 PM The Book of Ruth  
lookinggood22
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Quote from themajesticone:
i would have to agree with you on that. except, God did say there would be a savoir that would come through the DAVID LINE, SO, ANY QUESTIONS? darn caps, sorry.


If Jesus was the son of God, He didn't come through David's line, unless God is Jewish.

1/14/2012 11:05:32 PM The Book of Ruth  
curlydreamin
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Adrian Rogers was a wonderful man of God & a great teacher of the bible.
He died a few years ago from prostrate cancer, but they still rerun his sermons.

I heard him preach on Ruth & thought I might be able to find his whole sermon on Ruth, but this is all I found.

Robb's wideo was so much more informatrive, but thought this was worth posting as well.

Thanks Robb....






Redeeming Love


Ruth 4
(Program 2091, Airing on 03.21.10 & 03.28.10)
I.INTRODUCTION

A.The book of Ruth began with weeping; but in this fourth and final chapter, joy has come.

i.Psalm 30:5
B.Remember that Ruth is a picture of the church, the bride of Christ. Boaz is a picture of the Lord Jesus Christ, our kinsman redeemer.
C.The key word in Ruth 4 is redemption.
i.Ruth 4:4
D.In Ruth 4, we find three pictures of our Lord’s gift of salvation.
II.A PICTURE OF OUR REDEEMING LORD (Ruth 4:1-6)
A.Jesus is legally worthy.
i.There are two laws from ancient Israel that come into play in Ruth 4:
1.The law of the kinsman redeemer (Leviticus 25)
a.If a landowner went into bankruptcy and had to sell his land, a near relative (a kinsman redeemer) could redeem that land and buy it back.
2.The law of the Levirate marriage (Deuteronomy 25)
a.If a married couple had no children and the husband died, then the man’s brother was to take the man’s wife, who was now a widow, and marry her and endeavor to have children in order to keep the man’s name alive.
3.Three things were necessary in order for a man to be able to buy back the lost estate and marry the widow who came with the estate:
a.He had to have the legal qualifications.
b.He had to have the money to buy it back.
c.He had to be willing to buy it back.
ii.Boaz, who represents our Lord, was legally worthy. (Ruth 4:6)
1.The nearer kinsman who could not redeem represents Adam.
a.In Adam, we all die.
2.The ten witnesses in Ruth 4:2 represent the Ten Commandments, who testify that our Adamic nature cannot save us.
iii.Hebrews 2:14
iv.Revelation 5:1-9
B.Jesus is lavishly wealth. (Ruth 2:1)
i.1 Peter 1:18-19
ii.1 Peter 3:18
iii.Ephesians 1:7
iv.Revelation 5:9
v.Jesus paid a greater price than Boaz paid: Jesus bought us back with His blood.
C.Jesus is lovingly willing.
i.Boaz did not have to buy Ruth, nor did the Lord Jesus have to buy us.
ii.We love Him because He first loved us. (1 John 4:19)
III.A PICTURE OF OUR RENEWED LIFE (Ruth 4:7-8)
A.Ruth had three major problems; and without Christ, we share those same problems, as outlined in Ephesians 2:12-13:
i.Her past was cursed.
1.She was an alien from the commonwealth of Israel.
2.Spiritually, she was born on the wrong side of the tracks.
3.Deuteronomy 23:3
ii.Her present was crushed.
1.Ruth was a stranger to the things of God; she was without Christ.
iii.Her future was condemned.
1.Her future, without God, was hopeless.
B.Ephesians 2:19
C.The word “redeem” can mean “to purchase”, “to buy back”. It can also mean “to buy out”, “to take off the market place”. It also means “to set free”.
i.When our Lord redeemed us, not only did He buy us, but He took us out of the market place; we are no longer for sale. This speaks to our eternal security.
ii.We are set free in Christ.
D.As was the custom, the nearer kinsman, who could not redeem, took off his shoe and handed it to Boaz. (Ruth 4:8)
i.When Jesus paid for our sins, He took our place: He stands in our shoes. As Boaz stood in the shoes of the nearer kinsman, Jesus stood in our shoes and paid the penalty for our sins.
ii.2 Corinthians 5:21
IV.A PICTURE OF OUR RESTORED LEGACY (Ruth 4:10-17)
A.Ruth received a family. (Ruth 4:10)
i.When we are saved, we become a part of the family of God.
B.Ruth received a fortune. (Ruth 4:10)
i.No longer is Ruth gleaning the fields; she owns the field. She shares in the wealth of Boaz.
ii.As Christians, we are joint heirs with Jesus.
C.Ruth received fame. (Ruth 4:11)
i.Even today, the name of Ruth is spoken with reverence.
ii.If we know Jesus, we will reign with Him forever.
D.Ruth received fruitfulness. (Ruth 4:11)
i.John 15:16
E.Ruth received the future. (Ruth 4:16-17)
i.Ruth’s son, Obed, was the grandfather of David, the ancestry of our Lord Jesus Christ.
V.CONCLUSION
A.Jesus bought us with a great price.
B.Just as Ruth was not ashamed of Boaz, neither should we be ashamed to proclaim that we belong to Jesus Christ.



[Edited 1/14/2012 11:07:25 PM ]

1/14/2012 11:06:50 PM The Book of Ruth  
themajesticone
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your point? make it short and sweet please

1/14/2012 11:16:27 PM The Book of Ruth  
curlydreamin
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Quote from themajesticone:
your point? make it short and sweet please


I know you're not addressing me, but you are telling someone to make their post short & sweet!




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1/14/2012 11:22:17 PM The Book of Ruth  
themajesticone
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actually it is your im talking about, no harm no foul, i was looking for a short answer this one time on what you just said in oyour thread, i was confused in what u r trying to say

1/15/2012 12:03:29 AM The Book of Ruth  
robb2k
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Great post curly, As short as the book of Ruth is, it's remarkable how much can be gleaned from it.

I find it worth pointing out too, that Naomi(Israel) was not replaced by Ruth(the church), Naomi got her land redeemed She did though, go away in order for the gentile to be brought into the fold.

1/15/2012 12:16:58 AM The Book of Ruth  
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1/15/2012 10:21:30 AM The Book of Ruth  
lookinggood22
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If Ruth was redeemed without Jesus, what was the purpose of Jesus?

1/15/2012 11:18:37 AM The Book of Ruth  
paladin55
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Quote from lookinggood22:
If Ruth was redeemed without Jesus, what was the purpose of Jesus?


Good Question!

1/15/2012 11:22:51 AM The Book of Ruth  
paladin55
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Quote from robb2k:
By the way, if anyone watches this and doesn't come away knowing without a doubt that the word of God is authentic, they have been blinded by Him for some reason.


More likely blinded by the Devil and not GOD.

1/15/2012 2:22:19 PM The Book of Ruth  
robb2k
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Quote from lookinggood22:
If Ruth was redeemed without Jesus, what was the purpose of Jesus?



You miss the prophetic nature of the book. Jesus(God) is represented by Boaz, Israel by Naomi, the church by Ruth. Boaz also redeems the land for Naomi(Israel).

The book is about the life of these people and is a foreshadowing of the future plan of God to redeem Israel and the Church.

These foreshadowings are all throughout the Old Testament. The story of Joseph son of Jacob. The story of Abraham and Isaac at the altar, the book of Esther, all carry greater implications in another "level" of the story. Those are just a few.

Jesus Christ can be found on every page in the bible at some level.

1/15/2012 2:36:50 PM The Book of Ruth  
a_rose_74
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Quote from lookinggood22:
If Jesus was the son of God, He didn't come through David's line, unless God is Jewish.


He is, & he did. Jewish lineage is matriarchal as well as patriarchal. Mary is in the line of David. She & Joseph were probably distant cousins.

This is from Wiki, if you search "Jewish geneology". It's not where I got this information, but offers some support.

"According to the Mishnah, the oldest codified normative definition used by Jews for self-identification, a person is matrilineally a Jew by birth, or becomes one through conversion to Judaism. Adherence to this definition has been challenged since the emergence of the Karaite sect, emergence of modern groups in Judaism since the 19th century, and the creation of Israel in 1948. Issues that have been raised reflect:

Child's non-Jewish mother: i.e. whether a child born of a non-Jewish mother should be considered Jewish through the father's Jewish identity."

1/15/2012 5:09:24 PM The Book of Ruth  
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1/15/2012 5:16:57 PM The Book of Ruth  
lookinggood22
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Quote from a_rose_74:
He is, & he did. Jewish lineage is matriarchal as well as patriarchal. Mary is in the line of David. She & Joseph were probably distant cousins.

This is from Wiki, if you search "Jewish geneology". It's not where I got this information, but offers some support.

"According to the Mishnah, the oldest codified normative definition used by Jews for self-identification, a person is matrilineally a Jew by birth, or becomes one through conversion to Judaism. Adherence to this definition has been challenged since the emergence of the Karaite sect, emergence of modern groups in Judaism since the 19th century, and the creation of Israel in 1948. Issues that have been raised reflect:

Child's non-Jewish mother: i.e. whether a child born of a non-Jewish mother should be considered Jewish through the father's Jewish identity."


Where did you find Mary's geneology? Wasn't she from the same tribe, Levy, as her cousin Elizabeth?

1/15/2012 5:21:43 PM The Book of Ruth  
themajesticone
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ya, now things are getting mixed up, which one of you two are right i wonder?

1/15/2012 8:11:58 PM The Book of Ruth  
curlydreamin
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Quote from robb2k:
Great post curly, As short as the book of Ruth is, it's remarkable how much can be gleaned from it.

I find it worth pointing out too, that Naomi(Israel) was not replaced by Ruth(the church), Naomi got her land redeemed She did though, go away in order for the gentile to be brought into the fold.



truth Robb.



Some do believe God did away with Israel. Repented of His promises He made to Abraham Isaac & Jacob, & passed them on to the church....

I was even told on another thread a few months ago that there was no such thing as a Jew today....

I know when one is saved, there is no difference between Jew or Gentile.



I had read Ruth many times, but when Adrian Rogers taught the meaning of the book, I was amazed at how much I'd missed. and I got even more from the video you posted.

thanks again.......

1/15/2012 8:29:11 PM The Book of Ruth  
robb2k
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Quote from curlydreamin:
truth Robb.



Some do believe God did away with Israel. Repented of His promises He made to Abraham Isaac & Jacob, & passed them on to the church....

I was even told on another thread a few months ago that there was no such thing as a Jew today....

I know when one is saved, there is no difference between Jew or Gentile.



I had read Ruth many times, but when Adrian Rogers taught the meaning of the book, I was amazed at how much I'd missed. and I got even more from the video you posted.

thanks again.......



Yeah, as compelling as the preterist argument can be, that fact keeps me in check as far as falling for it.

1/15/2012 11:53:55 PM The Book of Ruth  
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Quote from lookinggood22:
Where did you find Mary's geneology? Wasn't she from the same tribe, Levy, as her cousin Elizabeth?


This is something I just don't remember all of. I don't think her geneology is spelled out on it's own, but I've seen it pieced together somewhere. The reason I even posted is really to point out that Jesus doesn't have to be Joseph's natural son in order to be in the line of David. That's all.

1/16/2012 1:13:04 AM The Book of Ruth  
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Why a Virgin Birth?
by Chuck Missler
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The Scepter of Judah

Every Christmas season our thoughts turn to the birth of Christ and to his mother, Mary. To some extent, we all take the nativity for granted. But why was Jesus born of a virgin? One answer, of course, is to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14: "Behold the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

But that's more descriptive than causal: why was it necessary in the first place? There are, of course, many profound theological issues inherent in the virgin birth. One way to view this issue is to address one of the problems it solves.

The Problem

God announced very early that His plan for redemption involved the Messiah being brought forth from the tribe of Judah1, and specifically from the line of David2. The succession of subsequent kings proved to be, with only a few exceptions, a dismal chain. As the succeeding kings of Judah went from bad to worse, we eventually encounter Jeconiah (also known as Jehoiachin), upon whom God pronounces a" blood curse" :"Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah."(Jeremiah 22:30)

This curse created a rather grim and perplexing paradox: the Messiah had to come from the royal line, yet now there was a"blood curse" on that very line of descent! (I always visualize a celebration in the councils of Satan on that day. But then I imagine God turning to His angels, saying,"Watch this one!")

The Solution

The answer emerges in the differing genealogies of Jesus Christ recorded in the gospels. Matthew, as a Levi, focuses his gospel on the Messiahship of Jesus and presents Him as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Thus, Matthew traces the legal line from Abraham (as any Jew would) through David, then through Solomon (the . royal. line) to Joseph, the legal father of Jesus3.

On the other hand, Luke, as a physician, focuses on the humanity of Jesus and presents Him as the Son of Man. Luke traces the blood line from Adam (the first Man) through to David-- and his genealogy from Abraham through David is identical to Matthew's. But then after David, Luke departs from the path taken by Matthew and traces the family tree through another son of David (the second surviving son of Bathsheba), Nathan, down through Heli, the father of Mary, the mother of Jesus4.

Zelophehad

One should also note the exception to the law which permitted inheritance through the daughter if no sons were available and she married within her tribe5.

The daughters of Zelophehad had petitioned Moses for a special exception, which was granted when they entered the land under Joshua.

I believe it was C.I. Scofield who first noted that the claims of Christ rely upon this peculiar exception granted to the family of Zelo-phehad in the Torah. Heli, Mary's father, apparently had no sons, and Mary married within the tribe of Judah. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, of the house and lineage of David and carrying legal title to the line, but without the blood curse of Jeconiah. [I believe that every detail in the Torah -- and the entire Bible -- has a direct link to Jesus Christ. "The volume of the book is written of me." (Psalm 40:7) [For a more detailed discussion, watch for our new book, Cosmic Codes -- Hidden Messages from the Edge of Eternity, presently in publication.]

Earlier Glimpse

This was no afterthought or post facto remedy, of course. It was first announced in the Garden of Eden when God declared war on Satan: " I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."(Genesis 3:15)

The"Seed of the Woman" thus becomes one of the prophetic titles of the Messiah. This biological contradiction is the first hint -- in the early chapters of Genesis -- of the virgin birth.

John also presents a genealogy, of sorts, of the Pre-Existent One in the first three verses of his gospel6. The Prophet Micah also highlights this:" But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."(Micah 5:2)

1/16/2012 2:05:10 AM The Book of Ruth  
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Quote from curlydreamin:
truth Robb.



Some do believe God did away with Israel. Repented of His promises He made to Abraham Isaac & Jacob, & passed them on to the church....

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You misunderstood, God never changed HIs mind and repented of anything.

All the promises of God, were intended for the church all along, and were never implied to be for physical Israel.

Paul explains the difference between those who are of Israel by blood, and those who are the Israel of God according to the promise.

6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”


24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.


Jesus said to the Jews that being of the bloodline of Abraham really meant nothing concerning God's plans and purposes.

Matthew 3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.



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