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3/2/2012 8:47:51 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


We have had another rash of killings and shootings in public schools. What's to do?

We lived in Huntington County, Indiana. In the 8th grade Jay Dee Rogers and I took our .22 caliber rifles with us to school on the school bus. We had a few .22 caliber rimfire cartridges in our pockets. We took our rifles off the bus and gave them to the laides behind the desk in the office at Number 7 county school (The one with two grades in the same room in Banquo, Indiana).

When school let out we went to the office, got our rifles and hunted squirrels on the walk home through Oliver Cluppers farm. At the corner of Oliver's place we split up and walked tha half mile to our homes in opposite directions.

Hell, we never thought of shooting anybody...just squirrels or rabbits or whatever unfortunate beast we could harvest with a .22. I think the problem is not guns and school. I think the problem is the little shits somebody raised and sent to school.

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3/2/2012 9:00:01 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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I think. I think that like hunting squirrels, you should be made to get a human hunting license, a kill limit and a season. Oh and you can't shot them from a vehicle.

3/2/2012 9:37:33 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


Mexikin and black gangs already shoot them from vehicles! There outa be a law!

3/3/2012 6:35:52 AM What about guns and school?  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,851)
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009


capone's guys used to shoot alot from vehicles.

3/3/2012 11:50:36 AM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
34, joined Oct. 2011


Kids had parents that were involved in their lives. There have always been bad people. But having mom at home when you left for school, and having mom there when you came home and having a good example of a father that worked hard to provide for his family and was probably home in the evening. My generation is when school shootings really began. I graduated in 2001 and when I was in highschool there was a string of shootings thru out the country. The most memorable for me was columbine. I think the one thing our generation has had that other generations that hasnt is a higher standard of living. If you think about it if you were born in the early 80's the only recession you saw or your parents saw the only after the 1st gulf war. As a whole we are spoiled. I think decadence leads to depravity. It's the only difference I can think of, and also having two parents having to work can add to it. And then, honestly.....if you play enough video games or watch enough violent movies you become desensitized, just like a person who watches enough porn needs to watch even more preverse things to get off, or a drunk needs more alcohol or a drug addict needs stronger drugs. Humans are designed to become immune.

And some kids just arent tough anymore. I know that sounds mean, but kids killing themselves or shooting other kids who picked on them.......When I was a kid we moved to ohio. I was fat, had a thick southern accent and my dad wasn't around...and I was the new kid.....I got made fun of bad. It hurt but I got stronger. I was taught to stand up for myself and everyone gave me plenty of chances.

And as a side note this may piss off queen.....but this shit really started happening when we took prayer out of school........I could be wrong about everything. These are just observations.

3/3/2012 1:25:20 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


I grew up in apartments in the 50's Everybody had a mom, in fact several. All moms were moms and it didn't matter who's mom caught you if you screwed up or if you neded help. They didn't belive in lawyers and all moms were in league with one antoher. There was great prosperity in the 50's and 60's. I lived on the farm in the 60's when I took my .22 to school. There was nothing wrong with it and nothing to fear.

Started college in 1969. Somehow I missed Woodstock, but I liked some of the music. I went thru Jimmy Carter's recession in the early 70's and put up with buying gas no more than the alloted 5 gallons at a time and then only on odd and even days that matched the last number on your tag.

The 80's were prosperous again and the early 90's weren't bad. Then inflation started to eat money, people invested in the wrong things, government giveaways increased, the number of workers decreased until it all came down in 2008. Fixes then have made the problem worse. Unemployment runs out they go on disability.

What I see is all this government stuff didn't exist back when we were prosperous and had families. We had them because government wasn't there to bail us out. People stayed married because unmarried women and kkdis starved. Government safety nets make it too easy to be irresponsible. Government's encouragement of that lifestyle has only increased. As it does things get worse. Not only do kids shoot kids in school, they don't even feel responsible when they do. Government took your need to be responsible away when it took over your welfare.

3/3/2012 1:25:54 PM What about guns and school?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


Drew, actually there was a nasty recession/depression in the 80s.. Thats where 'reaganomics' was born where reagan was credited with steering the country out of it.

3/3/2012 5:42:39 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


Worked for me.

3/3/2012 7:18:11 PM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
34, joined Oct. 2011


Quote from pelham12345:
Drew, actually there was a nasty recession/depression in the 80s.. Thats where 'reaganomics' was born where reagan was credited with steering the country out of it.


I will agree historically reagonomics worked for reagan, but bush took the heat when he had to raise taxes because of the deficits we ran. Now I was born in 83' so I don't remember much about the 80's but from what ive read is we had a nasty recession 81' and 82'. And that was it. And interest rates were really high because inflation was thru the roof and the fed had to boost interest rates to drive down inflation. But I didnt say that to get into a debate about economics or whatever. All I'm saying is it seems that if I were to do a profile of the typical student who would shoot up a school i bet one the tenets of that profile would economic class. Which would probably be a middle class or upper middle class kid. Now the kid in cleveland I don't know. But there has to be some kind of connection.

Bottom line, this comes down to how the kid is raised. We just didn't see this crap before the 90's. If it happened it wasn't reported on very often.

3/4/2012 10:01:50 AM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


As for for economic problems, the majority of which are created by a fiscally irresponsible government, what has cause the greatest decline in prosperity is a cultural divide that began in the early 1960's. Tea Partiers complain about big government and the loss of God in schools while OWSers b*tch about inequality in wealth. Both b*tch about the related things but neirther is aware of the source or cause.

Our problems don't come from inequality of wealth or the loss of religion in the public forum. Both have been greatly effected by something more sinister and dangerous to our nation. It is an ever widening cultural divide.

This divide is illustrated by cultural differences between groups of people of every ethnenticity. It is true of whites, blacks, Asians and Hispanics. Even though the exact percentages and statistics differ somewhat, he same divide exists within each of these "subcultures".

Regardless of the above, in the 50's and 60's most children lived their entire childhoods with both parents. Divorced parents and blended families were the exception, not the norm. Children at every cultural level, rich and poor alike, watched the same TV shows and went to the same schools together. Rich and poor, priviledged and underpriviledged, kids played sports together on the same teams and rubbedd elbows in the cafeteria. Childhood friends weren't greatly separated by "class" or "priviledge". Ideas were exchanged and friends were made without nearly as much regard to class, status, wealth, and postion as they are today.

After WWII everyone enjoyed better access to the opportunities available in a free society. The GI Bill sent millions of otherwise unlikely people to colleges and universities. Opportunities abounded. Government treated pretty much everyone the same and was much, much less intrusive on the lives of individual Americans.

The roots of the fracturing of American society began in the early 60's with progressive ideas about a "Great Society". Federalism of things states previously provided for themselves were mandated by the federal (central) government. People were categoroized so they could be helped. Meidcare, medicaid, and other "human serivices" programs were started. To make sure everyone was treated fairly the federal government exercised more and more control over the states and the lives of people everywhere. This categorizing of people into separate groups to address inequalities based on injustices due to "needs", "discriminations", and "exploitations" real or imagined planted the seeds of division in America.

Within the multicultural "melting pot" of America there are really only two significant cultures. They exist regardless of race or ethnenticity. One group is nearly entirely dependent on government, and the other pays for it. Every cultural or ethnic group in America has it's own "rich" and "poor".

What is not unusual is that statistically those in the "less priviledged" group are orders of magnitude more likely to be be single parents, have children in homes without both parents, suffer less economic opportunity, and have fewer prospects for success. The chldren of the "More priviledged" group are much more likely to have both parents at home, stay out of trouble, get better educations, and be more successful in nearly every way that is important to success, happiness, and stability in life.

The troubles OWS, Tea Partiers, and independents are concerned about are not the causes of the philosophical and idealogical divisions they are so concerned about. What they are concerned about are the result. They are the result of abandoning a uniquely American culture that started with the Declaration of Independence, the Constituion, and Bill of rights in favor of the progressive do-gooder policies of liberal progressive democrats and fundamentalist repulicans alike. The problem rests with the scoundrels that have occupied Washington for nearly 50 years. It's not rich people, or big business, or wall street because anybody that really, really wants to do any of those things still can. It is Washington that continues to work to divided us.

3/4/2012 10:35:22 AM What about guns and school?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


Drew, yea thats pretty much it for the economics. As far as class and school shootings, the mass killing shooters are generally middle class and white (much like serial killers).

3/4/2012 10:37:13 AM What about guns and school?  
dennyinmi
Over 2,000 Posts (2,916)
Rochester, MI
58, joined Dec. 2010


Quote from jbck:
Mexikin and black gangs already shoot them from vehicles! There outa be a law!


A law?

Against the Mexicans and Blacks, or the guns?



hey jbk did anyone tell you that you could pass for Harrison Fords brother?

3/4/2012 10:58:53 AM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


No. I think the only thing we have in common is we are both helicopter pilots. I've just got a lot more hours than him!


3/4/2012 5:57:53 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


Quote from jbck:
As for for economic problems, the majority of which are created by a fiscally irresponsible government, what has cause the greatest decline in prosperity is a cultural divide that began in the early 1960's. Tea Partiers complain about big government and the loss of God in schools while OWSers b*tch about inequality in wealth. Both b*tch about the related things but neirther is aware of the source or cause.

Our problems don't come from inequality of wealth or the loss of religion in the public forum. Both have been greatly effected by something more sinister and dangerous to our nation. It is an ever widening cultural divide.

This divide is illustrated by cultural differences between groups of people of every ethnenticity. It is true of whites, blacks, Asians and Hispanics. Even though the exact percentages and statistics differ somewhat, he same divide exists within each of these "subcultures".

Regardless of the above, in the 50's and 60's most children lived their entire childhoods with both parents. Divorced parents and blended families were the exception, not the norm. Children at every cultural level, rich and poor alike, watched the same TV shows and went to the same schools together. Rich and poor, priviledged and underpriviledged, kids played sports together on the same teams and rubbedd elbows in the cafeteria. Childhood friends weren't greatly separated by "class" or "priviledge". Ideas were exchanged and friends were made without nearly as much regard to class, status, wealth, and postion as they are today.

After WWII everyone enjoyed better access to the opportunities available in a free society. The GI Bill sent millions of otherwise unlikely people to colleges and universities. Opportunities abounded. Government treated pretty much everyone the same and was much, much less intrusive on the lives of individual Americans.

The roots of the fracturing of American society began in the early 60's with progressive ideas about a "Great Society". Federalism of things states previously provided for themselves were mandated by the federal (central) government. People were categoroized so they could be helped. Meidcare, medicaid, and other "human serivices" programs were started. To make sure everyone was treated fairly the federal government exercised more and more control over the states and the lives of people everywhere. This categorizing of people into separate groups to address inequalities based on injustices due to "needs", "discriminations", and "exploitations" real or imagined planted the seeds of division in America.

Within the multicultural "melting pot" of America there are really only two significant cultures. They exist regardless of race or ethnenticity. One group is nearly entirely dependent on government, and the other pays for it. Every cultural or ethnic group in America has it's own "rich" and "poor".

What is not unusual is that statistically those in the "less priviledged" group are orders of magnitude more likely to be be single parents, have children in homes without both parents, suffer less economic opportunity, and have fewer prospects for success. The chldren of the "More priviledged" group are much more likely to have both parents at home, stay out of trouble, get better educations, and be more successful in nearly every way that is important to success, happiness, and stability in life.

The troubles OWS, Tea Partiers, and independents are concerned about are not the causes of the philosophical and idealogical divisions they are so concerned about. What they are concerned about are the result. They are the result of abandoning a uniquely American culture that started with the Declaration of Independence, the Constituion, and Bill of rights in favor of the progressive do-gooder policies of liberal progressive democrats and fundamentalist repulicans alike. The problem rests with the scoundrels that have occupied Washington for nearly 50 years. It's not rich people, or big business, or wall street because anybody that really, really wants to do any of those things still can. It is Washington that continues to work to divided us.


Back to the subject see above.

3/4/2012 8:13:20 PM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
34, joined Oct. 2011


We can't really blame govt that much though. Sure we can but the govt we have is the govt we as a people have voted for. The govt isn't the reason, its the result. Just like crazy looney toon teens shooting up their schools is the result of decades of moral decay. I don't care who you call god or if you even have one. Or if youre straight or gay. Thats not the kind of morality I'm talking about. jbck you said it right. In your younger days it didn't matter if you were rich or poor everyone intermingled. It just didn't really matter that much. Today thats not so true. Everyone has their little cliques. Their own social circles. And some have none.

It seems like something is missing in the moral fiber of these kids that either kill other kids or kill themselves when they can't handle the emotional strain of the lives theyre leading. And to be honest we can talk and type as much as we want but I can't put my finger on it. I grew up rough and sometimes took alot of shit from other kids. But I never had the gut reaction to kill myself or kill someone else. But even though I grew up without a father in the home, I knew that life was hard sometimes and accepted that people could be a**holes. I never let it get to me that much.

I would venture to say these kids that either kill themselves or kill others have something in common. Earlier we said they were white middle class kids....Ill go further. I think because of their family situations, mom or dad or both have did their best to give them every material possession out of guilt for their failures.....SO now we have a emotionally train wrecked kid with a crazy sense of entitlement.....And when reality hits that theyre not really entitled....(be it trouble with a gf, or not being popular or getting f**ked with by the football team) they crack....and without the emotional stabilty that mom and dad should have been giving them instead of xbox and ps3 and whatever else they gave the kid because of their guilt....now he or she hasnt got the inner strength and moral fortitude to overcome. SO they break.....But what the hell...Im not a professional.. All this is the parents fault.

3/4/2012 10:10:45 PM What about guns and school?  
dennyinmi
Over 2,000 Posts (2,916)
Rochester, MI
58, joined Dec. 2010


And as a side note this may piss off queen.....but this shit really started happening when we took prayer out of school........I could be wrong about everything. These are just observations
.....drew.....



Lots of the poor and uneducated are seduced by the idea that as soon as you speak of 'Freedom' you are automatically one of the 'Good Guys' yet it is the dissolution of the church's influence in the directing of the moral compass in society that 'leads these little ones astray.....



Well drew...ya think?

We have no moral compass. What crossed the line for cultural norms in times before us, we are now soft on and accepted as the norm.

My mind could not get over that young Irish gal a few years ago now, that took her own life due to the fact she was bullied beyond belief...day after day...and the parents we're shocked at the findings after her suicide.

Does anyone remember sitting at the dinner table for dinner?

You got up for school...on time...

There wasn't hours in front of the boob tube...bed time was a scheduled routine.

Idleness is the devils workshop...parent interaction is paramount, and nowadays, gramama's too...

3/4/2012 11:28:22 PM What about guns and school?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


I hear all the time about how parents were more involved than they are now. Not true where I grew up. My parents and their friends played poker on Saturday night till maybe daylight and drank mixed drinks or beer. Once in awhile a person would come into the group that would get drunk. If they did it too many times they were not told where they were gonna be. In summer the whole bunch of them moved up to the lot on the river where they each built a cabin. Three cabins, three families and my first husband and I felt more like brother and sister.

As far as the guns go and parents involved. My mom or dad never went to a PTA meeting or said do your homework. We were expected to do those things on our own. We didn't have to work during school hour so that became our job. You bring home a bad grade and parents looked wilted. It was so sad to have them be disappointed in us that we tried harder. When they were pleased with us it made us want to be the best we can.

Now we teach children that some people are good enough and some people are not. That is so not true because we are the best and the only one of us that there will ever be forever. Just want to do the best you can in whatever you do. Then later on you can always say "I AM NOT ALWAYS AT MY BEST BUT MY BEST IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS GET".

Children are not mature enough to realize that you have a future and a messup does not always mean the end at any age. But only if you would be confortable with every other child in his room having a gun too. Just Saying.



[Edited 3/4/2012 11:31:02 PM ]

3/4/2012 11:43:31 PM What about guns and school?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


We have chosen in the last 11 years to live in fear rather than free. And when we allowed that to roll around in our brains and thinking we could trust our president but finding he would mislead us in many ways, like big spender.

The our first black president, actually 1/2 black, got handed the most devastating financial situation that had hit this country since WWII. Being the first black president to have 20 American blacks on his shoulders as well as a group of old white men and middle age white men who want money and power but not obligation to play fair. And president that gets elected in this country by the majority of Americans is a legitimate President.

How was raised without his father. He said he did not have any remembrance of him because he was gone so early in his life. Maybe when people think about voting this time they might find out something about the president we have and ONLY IN AMERICA COULD HE COME FROM A FATHERLESS SON TO BEING PRESIDENT. He did meet him as a man but there was no connection.

3/5/2012 8:30:41 AM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012


Parenting is a tough thankless job and you Wasa know all to well this is true. I can no more blame your parents and their friends for any of your failures or shortcoming as I can blame my parents for mine. There is however a vast difference in the knowledge being passed along to parents today as in our time. I have always had the belief kids are the product of their environment.

Back in our day as kids and before, to be on welfare was not something to hold ones head high about. It carried a level of shame. I'm not saying that was correct but it was what it was. Today, for many being on welfare, living on welfare or assistance, is just a way of life. No shame to it. In fact the government is guilty in making welfare feel like a "norm". Where before you would have to stand in the grocery line with "stamps" to buy your food with everyone watching, now you recieve this credit card looking card to buy your groceries. This has taken all the stigma from feeling any shame and changing you life.

So if a kid comes from a family who has no ambition, no drive, no sense of the good in the world, no desire to achieve, well that kid is going to grow up the exact same way. Will unless someone or something comes into their life to turn that around.

3/5/2012 8:58:39 AM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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I would like to debate you Wasa on how we decided to live in fear. To me it is more like we have allowed the government powers that is now coming back to bit us. I do not fear the person walking down the street, I fear the government in telling me I can't walk down the street. An example of how I see many americans feel today, listen to the Beatles Taxman. You can hear it on youtube.

Many people feel that Obama is correct in bypassing the constitution and congress in get his business done. But what these people don't stop to realize is that Obama's action today only opens the door for the next president(s)to come in and use the same tactic to push their agenda. This is exactly why you do not see but a lame effort in DC to put a stop to Obama bypassing congress and overriding the constitution. The GOP also wants that power to bypass and override. Either way the american people better wake up and stand against the government while we can still walk down the street without having to look over our shoulder for the street police.

3/7/2012 12:27:02 AM What about guns and school?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Congress tried to say that as long as one congressman shows up for one hour that congress is in session. The president does have the right to have executive orders when they are not in session according to the constitution. The republican pulled this crap for 2 weeks in January so they could take two more weeks vacation, getting donations, rather than to show up for work after Holiday's. He did nothing unconstitutional as all presidents do this and Bush did it dozens of times.

3/7/2012 9:11:26 PM What about guns and school?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from wasaqueen:
Congress tried to say that as long as one congressman shows up for one hour that congress is in session. The president does have the right to have executive orders when they are not in session according to the constitution. The republican pulled this crap for 2 weeks in January so they could take two more weeks vacation, getting donations, rather than to show up for work after Holiday's. He did nothing unconstitutional as all presidents do this and Bush did it dozens of times.


Semi-true.. Bush did recess appointments when congress wasnt in session until aftet he appointed John Bolton as UN ambassator.. THEN the DEMOCRATS invented this loophole that as long as some member show up to gavel in congress is 'in session' and no recess appointments.. BUSH ACCEPTED THIS AS A TECHNICALITY AND LEGAL AND MADE NO FURTHER RECESS APPOINTMENTS(without congress approval).. OBAMA violated this.. His own party Came up with it against Bush, but says for them its not valid!! DOUBLE STANDARD at the VERY LEAST!!! And possibly ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

3/7/2012 9:38:49 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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Little does wasa wants to understand that every rule obama and the dems makes up, change, override, skips, ignores, and simply does not give a damn simply opens the door for the GOP to do the same when they get in power. This is exactly why when Obama bypasses the constitution and or congress, the gop in DC does nothing to stop him.

3/8/2012 12:10:45 PM What about guns and school?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from jokethem:
Little does wasa wants to understand that every rule obama and the dems makes up, change, override, skips, ignores, and simply does not give a damn simply opens the door for the GOP to do the same when they get in power. This is exactly why when Obama bypasses the constitution and or congress, the gop in DC does nothing to stop him.


Except 1 thing... Should a republican beat Obama and start ignoring the consitution and doing whatever he wants.. dems and the media will scream impeachment nonstop and it'll be a daily news story

3/8/2012 4:29:41 PM What about guns and school?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Your right Obama destroyed Washington before he was ever born. And of course the fact that republicans had congress 16 out of the last 18 years has nothing to do with any of the bad that is in DC. Is there any chance that there could be any truth at all coming out of conservative mouthpiece?

3/8/2012 4:52:37 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,151)
Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from pelham12345:
Except 1 thing... Should a republican beat Obama and start ignoring the consitution and doing whatever he wants.. dems and the media will scream impeachment nonstop and it'll be a daily news story




So true but at least we won't be hearing anymore how Obama is a buffoon. I'm so tired of the press misunderstanding Obama.

3/8/2012 6:26:34 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
Over 2,000 Posts (2,957)
Springdale, AR
62, joined Aug. 2007


I never misunderstood him. I'm still looking for vowels. Hope what? Change what? Well now we see what he was about....community organizing and bullshit. Transfer of wealth from productive people to useless people. Sacrificing paid into programs for unfunded ones. What an anti-American! Maybe he is not really an American regardless of the controversies over his citizenship. His ideals certainly have nothing to do with what made America great, only undoing it. A scourge, a traitor, a fool.

3/9/2012 7:53:53 AM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
34, joined Oct. 2011


Quote from jbck:
I never misunderstood him. I'm still looking for vowels. Hope what? Change what? Well now we see what he was about....community organizing and bullshit. Transfer of wealth from productive people to useless people. Sacrificing paid into programs for unfunded ones. What an anti-American! Maybe he is not really an American regardless of the controversies over his citizenship. His ideals certainly have nothing to do with what made America great, only undoing it. A scourge, a traitor, a fool.


Look I'm not an Obama supporter. However, he isnt a socialist either.. He's really more moderate than most of the right says he is. And really all this idiotic b.s. coming out of the right these days is doing nothing but energizing the left. By distorting reality, level headed fair minded people are less likely to support our side. Its simple we can't win the election without women, and we can win the election without a fair amount of independent support. If we don't start doing something different we're gonna lose by Barry Goldwater proportions in November.

3/9/2012 9:09:06 AM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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You know what? It does not really matter what Obama is or is not in his ideology. The only thing that does matter is the son of a b*tch need to go. Needs to go for the good of this country. Even if he is outsted, he and his kind will never go away. That is the price we are now paying for not standing up to these kind 60 years ago.

That was then and now is now. These Godless bastards got a foot in the door of this country's goodness but the door can still be slammed shut. This can be done if the PEOPLE would only put their shoulder against the door. I say the PEOPLE because our politicians on the right, unless a true conservative, are in the way of getting the door shut.

I AM a conserative and damned proud of it. I WILL influence my grandkids to be conservative. I stand for and believe in personal wealth through personal responcibility and self motivation. I hold high compassion for my fellow man and the salvation of Christ. I believe to my core, I will be damned to the fires of hell before I allow my grandkids to become ward of this or any government, willingly or not.

I WILL fight the good fight with Truth, Justice and the American way. If you want to join me, your welcome. If you stand against me, I will ask God to forgive you. I will also ask God to forgive me because I am going to roll over you like a stream roller.

3/9/2012 10:17:50 AM What about guns and school?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
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Quote from drew_5050:
Look I'm not an Obama supporter. However, he isnt a socialist either.. He's really more moderate than most of the right says he is. And really all this idiotic b.s. coming out of the right these days is doing nothing but energizing the left. By distorting reality, level headed fair minded people are less likely to support our side. Its simple we can't win the election without women, and we can win the election without a fair amount of independent support. If we don't start doing something different we're gonna lose by Barry Goldwater proportions in November.


Hmmm, seems like you've been fooled by white house spin because nothing this president has done has been moderate.. Everything from massive expansion of government to his radical left personal associations to his beating of the class warfare drums...

3/9/2012 12:11:50 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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Quote from pelham12345:
Hmmm, seems like you've been fooled by white house spin because nothing this president has done has been moderate.. Everything from massive expansion of government to his radical left personal associations to his beating of the class warfare drums...



I wonder if some people and not saying drew is, but people on the far far left fringes might see obama as a moderate. Again not saying drew is but there are those.

3/9/2012 4:18:42 PM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
34, joined Oct. 2011


I'm a moderate on most things. Some things Im really conservative on and theres really only a few things I'm liberal on....example. One place I'm liberal is drug legalization. Everything else either a moderate or a conservative. Even If obama is a socialist he hasnt governed like one. Tarp was approved by both parties at the time. So thats kind of out. Healthcare is the biggest thing Id vote against him for. But to really get into it its not really a socialist piece of legislation. Single Payer would be socialist. And not to mention the man who is like to get our partys nomination, his healthcare plan in Massachessets is what it was modeled after anyway. And the very idea of individual mandate was a conservative idea from the heritage foundation. Our spending is out of control but hell it was already on an upward trecjetory before he ever took office. And having a reduced tax base to tax because of high unemployment has added to the deficit. No other person would be in any better of a position where spending and debt is concerned. On foreign policy, its a mixed bag for me. But he's more of a hawk than Ron Paul and we all like him. On social issues I'd have to say yes he's a liberal. But is he any more liberal than the Bush's....Or Nancy Reagan or a number of conservative figures past....No. And lets be honest. For someone who had both chambers of congress and a super majority in the senate, did this country really become a stalinist state? Again no. What I am saying, is all this talk coming from the far right is going to push moderates, and now women because of all this contraception stuff into Obamas camp. I know a lot of hard right conservative pro life pro family small govt women in my life that are disgusted by this debate. Whether its right, or wrong...is it smart? Do we want to win, or do we want to lose?

And as far as the economy is concerned and high gas prices....keystone pipeline should be approved. Obama is playing politics and that would help with our oil issue....But back to gas prices.....When Obama took office the economy had already fallen off a cliff. Gas was 1.59 where I'm at.....but thats because there was drastically reduced demand. We all worry about inflation. At the time gas prices were a result of deflation. Deflation was the great worry. If anyone remembers gas was 4.00 a gallon the previous summer. Which was probably the straw that broke the camels back.....

Bottom line, I still have my God, my Guns and.....well i guess gays can get married now. .....My gut tells me that if Obama was a socialist, the office of president changed him. Just like the office changed Bush. And it will change who ever our next president is.

Our message if we want to win in Novemember can't sound like something Rush Limbaugh wrote. I find conservatism as well as owning a business like hard liquor, only a very few people can drink it straight. Sometimes if you want to get the masses to drink what your serving, you have to water it down a little bit. And I'm sure yall are gonna tear into me for this, but its the truth. It takes 51% to win. And without certain groups of people on our side, we'll lose. We need a strong contrast with obama, but not a contrast that scares the shit out of the people we need to vote. ie..women, independents

3/9/2012 7:42:48 PM What about guns and school?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
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President Obama is right of me and I am middle left.

3/9/2012 8:11:54 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Quote from wasaqueen:
President Obama is right of me and I am middle left.



Obama is right by you? Well like owning Chevy's, someone has to buy them.

3/10/2012 12:00:41 PM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
34, joined Oct. 2011


Im not for bailouts, however for whatever reason GM was bailed out it worked. Theyre on top again. And Ive made a ton of money on stock!!!

3/10/2012 1:18:43 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Quote from wasaqueen:
President Obama is right of me and I am middle left.




Middle between center and crazy left?

3/10/2012 1:24:36 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Quote from drew_5050:
Im not for bailouts, however for whatever reason GM was bailed out it worked. Theyre on top again. And Ive made a ton of money on stock!!!




Congrats. Don't let wasa hear you say that. However Volts never made anything of themselves and are laying people off. GM has YET to pay off its debt to the People. Hard not to have a turn around when the fed is your money backer. I bought in with Ford and Tata Motors(India) when all this bail out was going on. I too have made a fair bit of change. Good for us.

3/10/2012 5:53:21 PM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
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Quote from jokethem:
Congrats. Don't let wasa hear you say that. However Volts never made anything of themselves and are laying people off. GM has YET to pay off its debt to the People. Hard not to have a turn around when the fed is your money backer. I bought in with Ford and Tata Motors(India) when all this bail out was going on. I too have made a fair bit of change. Good for us.


I picked up ford when it was around 2 bucks a share. I knew when they didn't take bailout money that their stock was way under valued. I bought about 25,000 shares altogher. Not all at once. But i have to say its my favorite stock in my portfolio. How has Tata's stock performed?

3/10/2012 5:56:29 PM What about guns and school?  
drew_5050
Middletown, OH
34, joined Oct. 2011


on a side note....i think eventually the volt...well atleast the concept is going to catch on. And when theyre able to make them to where most folks can afford them and theyre a quality product....theyll make tons of money with it.

3/11/2012 3:23:15 AM What about guns and school?  

celestialstar
Salt Lake City, UT
36, joined Sep. 2010


Hey JB... sorry it took so long, just been in every direction. I shall begin.

First of all, I do agree with you that at a point in time this could have been very normal and even safe to do. I would think that this would still be an acceptable practice of civil liberties with adult direction, of course. However... I pose this to you; What has changed since the 50's 60's that has altered society so greatly that this is no longer of the norm and in many cases can be considered criminal? I have 3 solid reasons, 2 plausible theories with history as evidence, and the sad truth. WE are usually on the same page with things like this, so before I answer I wanted to see if you know what I'm thinking!

3/11/2012 12:03:20 PM What about guns and school?  
pelham12345
Bronx, NY
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Quote from drew_5050:
Im not for bailouts, however for whatever reason GM was bailed out it worked. Theyre on top again. And Ive made a ton of money on stock!!!


GM was bailed out because it was deemed "too big to fail", dont forget that besides cars GM is a huge large truck and heavy duty manufacturer. Its failure would also have been a huge hit for its parent company which is a mega conglomerate producer of products.

Oh and the chevy volt is a miserable failure... With the kind of money the federal government invested you think at the very least the damn thing wouldnt burst into flames....



[Edited 3/11/2012 12:05:38 PM ]

3/11/2012 4:00:39 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
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Springdale, AR
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Quote from celestialstar:
Hey JB... sorry it took so long, just been in every direction. I shall begin.

First of all, I do agree with you that at a point in time this could have been very normal and even safe to do. I would think that this would still be an acceptable practice of civil liberties with adult direction, of course. However... I pose this to you; What has changed since the 50's 60's that has altered society so greatly that this is no longer of the norm and in many cases can be considered criminal? I have 3 solid reasons, 2 plausible theories with history as evidence, and the sad truth. WE are usually on the same page with things like this, so before I answer I wanted to see if you know what I'm thinking!


Like you said, adult supervision. Back then if I screwed up I had to deal with my parents. Both of them. Not a mom and some guy she was hooked up with at the moment, my parents. People I had a connection with that was impossible to ignore. I had a father that taught me to be a man and a mother that taught me to be compassionate. I never would have dreamed of shooting anything by a squirrel or rabbit. Pointing a gun at anything that I didn't intend to kill never entered my mind. In fact I knew better because it was a stupid thing to do. Today little foolish people think it is power. It is not. The power is not in the gun, it is in the person that controls it. That is the failure. Not the gun, it is the fool that controls it, stolen or not, legal or not, snuck out of dad's drawer or not. The problem is the stupid little prick that uses it. The gun isn't the problem. The problem is the little coward that thinks his little p*ssy got hurt by who or whatever. I guess we didn't have too many little pussies back them. We had kids that were reasonably responsible. That is something good parents do. Teach responsibility. That is missing today as government becomes more and more the parent and parents are marginalized. Sucks to be an American.



[Edited 3/11/2012 4:02:42 PM ]

3/12/2012 3:00:56 AM What about guns and school?  

celestialstar
Salt Lake City, UT
36, joined Sep. 2010


Quote from jbck:
Like you said, adult supervision. Back then if I screwed up I had to deal with my parents. Both of them. Not a mom and some guy she was hooked up with at the moment, my parents. People I had a connection with that was impossible to ignore. I had a father that taught me to be a man and a mother that taught me to be compassionate. I never would have dreamed of shooting anything by a squirrel or rabbit. Pointing a gun at anything that I didn't intend to kill never entered my mind. In fact I knew better because it was a stupid thing to do. Today little foolish people think it is power. It is not. The power is not in the gun, it is in the person that controls it. That is the failure. Not the gun, it is the fool that controls it, stolen or not, legal or not, snuck out of dad's drawer or not. The problem is the stupid little prick that uses it. The gun isn't the problem. The problem is the little coward that thinks his little p*ssy got hurt by who or whatever. I guess we didn't have too many little pussies back them. We had kids that were reasonably responsible. That is something good parents do. Teach responsibility. That is missing today as government becomes more and more the parent and parents are marginalized. Sucks to be an American.


I knew you would. As the free enterprise of this country has taken off it has tended to need more when people expand and seek larger profit margins. A company growing will need more workers to meet the demand of that certain product/service. When everything was going good banks extending credit, people hiking prices and cutting labor costs to achieve their quarterly numbers has put people in a situation to where they have to work. Usually both parents and whoever is of age. Morals have crumbled underneath people's trying to keep up and survive. Again, we have come to a point where people are trying to make it, but it always came with a cost... Guidance. I could go into single parenthood, 2 working adults, and such, but you know already. Division of the household produces the results we see. We can try our hardest as people and parents in society to guide our youth but it is hard for a lot of people to make time anymore. Read a book about the dynamics of division of households and have to say it was insightful.

3/12/2012 5:13:16 PM What about guns and school?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
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Yep the whole world is a lot better off because a few Bankers own more and more and will be much better when they own everything and no one else has income to by anything.

Since some never understand the way things work I will try to make it simple. If 90% of the country is poor there will not be anyone getting rich anymore because NOBODY will have money to buy the stuff that makes the rich rich. We became the envy of the world because everyone did well not just the rich. That is the way it is in Africa and Russia and all the other dictatorships. And gee, I can't wait to be like them.

3/12/2012 6:50:10 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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Quote from wasaqueen:
Yep the whole world is a lot better off because a few Bankers own more and more and will be much better when they own everything and no one else has income to by anything.

Since some never understand the way things work I will try to make it simple. If 90% of the country is poor there will not be anyone getting rich anymore because NOBODY will have money to buy the stuff that makes the rich rich. We became the envy of the world because everyone did well not just the rich. That is the way it is in Africa and Russia and all the other dictatorships. And gee, I can't wait to be like them.



Wasa, you are going to have a heartattack. Calm dowm. Is any of this really in our control?

3/13/2012 2:28:24 PM What about guns and school?  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
72, joined Feb. 2012


Not mine alone but there are many OWS people out there that over the next few years are gonna make some changes. They only way people can make changes is by being in numbers too big to kill all of them, the world is watching how they are treated. In spite of what you hear being said about us, we are not asking for anything but a chance. I want a better future for my decendants than is looming ahead for them. That is something that is becoming more unlikely as time goes on unless we change it.

In the last year the top 10% of incomes have seen their income increase by 24% while the middle class has seen theirs rise by 1 penny. Fair and balanced???

3/13/2012 3:18:53 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
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Quote from wasaqueen:
Not mine alone but there are many OWS people out there that over the next few years are gonna make some changes. They only way people can make changes is by being in numbers too big to kill all of them, the world is watching how they are treated. In spite of what you hear being said about us, we are not asking for anything but a chance. I want a better future for my decendants than is looming ahead for them. That is something that is becoming more unlikely as time goes on unless we change it.

In the last year the top 10% of incomes have seen their income increase by 24% while the middle class has seen theirs rise by 1 penny. Fair and balanced???



Well wasa your safe in wanting a chance. Dispite all the issues today this is still America. The land of the free, Home of the brave. So please take a deep breath of the spring flowers and fight the good fight another day.

3/13/2012 4:49:50 PM What about guns and school?  
jbck
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Springdale, AR
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Quote from celestialstar:
I knew you would. As the free enterprise of this country has taken off it has tended to need more when people expand and seek larger profit margins. A company growing will need more workers to meet the demand of that certain product/service. When everything was going good banks extending credit, people hiking prices and cutting labor costs to achieve their quarterly numbers has put people in a situation to where they have to work. Usually both parents and whoever is of age. Morals have crumbled underneath people's trying to keep up and survive. Again, we have come to a point where people are trying to make it, but it always came with a cost... Guidance. I could go into single parenthood, 2 working adults, and such, but you know already. Division of the household produces the results we see. We can try our hardest as people and parents in society to guide our youth but it is hard for a lot of people to make time anymore. Read a book about the dynamics of division of households and have to say it was insightful.


Now we are closing the gap. Division of the household is a very key element. Before the early 60's it only took one bread winner to provide for a family. The good old nuclear family served us well as a society. That is largely missing. Why? Where did it go? What changed?

Note: we have a couple people that can't stay on topic. I advise please do so or we will be forced to block you from this thread. If you want to change the subject, start a different thread or something. It is simply an unwelcome distraction here.

3/13/2012 5:34:11 PM What about guns and school?  
jokethem
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