Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?

9/22/2012 11:18:28 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
f1951 Irrigon, OR 66, joined May. 2008	Budgets Cuts, above the class room level..?? Who's being lobbied and for what. that is the goal here for ethical truthful auditing. 3rd Party Audits of all budgets, travel and perhaps to the level of bank account reviews at the district levels.. Change the theory that they must spend all the $$ annually..To a save extra $$ annually with a no risk of budget cut backs becuse you spent your money wisely and have some left over.. Run it like a successful business model.. And compound the revenue for more education resources for the kids adding v.s. cutting creative classes. And eventually adding more teachers and smaller classes we must reverse this v.s. finding more funding in taxes. Parents and other neighbors are already taxed to death along with lotteries, Casino's (?) and other businesses. Get real reform it now or loose education forever. Merit Teaching..? Perhaps not perhaps give them kids ready and eager to learn and see what happens?? What happens at home before school is extremly important. If you research dehydration you'll see the impact it has on these kids when they get to school. Parents be sure they are alert enought to educate.?? How about kids bedded early, feed breaskfast, packed a lunch, and most importantly rehydrated with glasses of water after a nights sleep. Set expectations of college, encourage them to excel and provide the support and discoverey of their interests so they can narrow down their interests towards a higher educational degree. Buy them a specially book or even better subscribe to a specially magazine in their field of interest. Art, Building, Eectronics, what ever drives their passion they will cling to it research it and enjoy it..Mine did, an college graduated. What needs to be done to see success vs failures.. ?? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/22/2012 1:01:17 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
gdragn Lake Worth, FL 54, joined Jul. 2011	These fine ideas and principles will not be addressed until you can find a way to make them profitable to the royal(corporate) class that is pulling the political/economic strings these days... Like, make water one of the basic food groups and start charging $3 per gallon for it,,(not funny, it's coming)
9/22/2012 4:24:43 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Quote from f1951: Budgets Cuts, above the class room level..?? Who's being lobbied and for what. that is the goal here for ethical truthful auditing. 3rd Party Audits of all budgets, travel and perhaps to the level of bank account reviews at the district levels.. Change the theory that they must spend all the $$ annually..To a save extra $$ annually with a no risk of budget cut backs becuse you spent your money wisely and have some left over.. Run it like a successful business model.. And compound the revenue for more education resources for the kids adding v.s. cutting creative classes. And eventually adding more teachers and smaller classes we must reverse this v.s. finding more funding in taxes. Parents and other neighbors are already taxed to death along with lotteries, Casino's (?) and other businesses. Get real reform it now or loose education forever. Merit Teaching..? Perhaps not perhaps give them kids ready and eager to learn and see what happens?? What happens at home before school is extremly important. If you research dehydration you'll see the impact it has on these kids when they get to school. Parents be sure they are alert enought to educate.?? How about kids bedded early, feed breaskfast, packed a lunch, and most importantly rehydrated with glasses of water after a nights sleep. Set expectations of college, encourage them to excel and provide the support and discoverey of their interests so they can narrow down their interests towards a higher educational degree. Buy them a specially book or even better subscribe to a specially magazine in their field of interest. Art, Building, Eectronics, what ever drives their passion they will cling to it research it and enjoy it..Mine did, an college graduated. What needs to be done to see success vs failures.. ?? There is a cheap and easy way forward. Advance kids based on their accomplishments, what they learn and how they master subjects. Go back to "one-room" school houses. Put several grades in one class together. When the course work is satisfactorily complete send the child on to the next cluster of grades. If it takes a kid less than a year to complete the 1st through 4th grades, put him in the 5th-9th in his second school year. We'll have him in college or something before he is 12. If it takes a kid until he's 18 and he hasn't finished the fouth grade kick him out and send hinm to work somewhere. If they can't or won't master the subjects there is little reason to spend the resources on them. If a teacher can't get any of her kids out of the room in a reasonable time, send the teacher with the 18 year old 4th grader.
10/14/2012 1:29:55 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)
10/19/2012 12:44:45 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
mrfartypants San Antonio, TX 33, joined Nov. 2011	Nah, I'm sure they can all learn about breast cancer awareness from some obnoxious old woman who spams the internet with crap she thinks is cute.
10/19/2012 8:08:14 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Like prostate cancer, it's a pain in the ass!
10/20/2012 11:10:15 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	I'm sure if teachers were better educated themselves that our children would receive a better education. And ... seriously ... I have seen school systems that were still using outdated reference books, up to six years old, to instruct the student population. The world changes so quickly that educational materials authors can't keep up with current events and happenings, therefore, it is up to the educators to stay on top of changing events. States need to 'let go' of some of those "lottery" funds which are earmarked for "higher education" and begin building a stronger "elementary" education base.
10/22/2012 3:31:03 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Our system is so broke that it will take a complete collapse of what we have so we can build somthing that makes sense and most of all works.
10/22/2012 4:59:39 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)
10/23/2012 4:47:56 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
mrfartypants San Antonio, TX 33, joined Nov. 2011	The world changes so quickly that educational materials authors can't keep up with current events and happenings, therefore, it is up to the educators to stay on top of changing events. Wrong. Publishing companies fight hand over fist to sell schools new books on a regular basis. And btw, its not exactly like ALL subjects change. 2+2 still equals 4. From freshman year to senior year these kids need to be learning a trade. Cute. But you are basically dumbing down the population. If you want to suggest that high schools should not prepare all students for college and instead prepare most for trade schools, that's one thing. But to suggest that time should be taken out of academic study to learn a trade only results in even more stupid people.
10/23/2012 7:52:36 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)
10/24/2012 10:07:34 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Besty idea I can think of is that the first step should be to eliminate the Department of Education in Washington, D.C.
10/25/2012 3:11:04 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Educate the educators.
11/1/2012 4:16:40 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
belphegor1943 Austin, TX 34, joined May. 2012	http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/ I have been following this school for a little while now. It's an interesting and "radical" idea to education. Apparently it's especially effective in rehabilitating deliquents, but it works with all children. There is a lot of criticism, but their success reports have to make you think...
11/9/2012 4:34:26 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Step one: Eliminate unions for all public sector employees immediately. Teachers not only hold our children hostage in the classroom, they hold all of America hostage financially.
11/10/2012 7:30:13 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	There is mediocre outcome in America's education system because students and educators are not force-fed as they are in other countries. I don't support force-feeding anyone an education but learning standards need to be established and adherred to for anyone in the education filed: students, as well as educators.
11/18/2012 2:54:17 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
belphegor1943 Austin, TX 34, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: There is mediocre outcome in America's education system because students and educators are not force-fed as they are in other countries. I don't support force-feeding anyone an education but learning standards need to be established and adherred to for anyone in the education filed: students, as well as educators. Force-feeding education is wrong. It's brainwashing. Let the child pick what he/she wants to learn then teach it. If they don't want to learn math, don't force them! They won't learn math anyway, they'll forget it in a day if they don't want it in their head. No where is it written that they can't wait until they are adults to learn certain subjects. I didn't give math any attention until a couple years ago, and I am now learning it because I choose too. I could have been using all those hours in school learning something that would have benefited me at the time. I probably would have spent more time in English and History; but, I was not given a choice. It's unfortunate how controlling our society is, and how oppressed children are. They know what's better for themselves than there anxious parents do. The idea they know more just because they are older is short-sighted. We need to give children more credit. [Edited 11/18/2012 2:56:32 PM ]
11/19/2012 8:59:51 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
jrbogie1949 Ventura, CA 68, joined Mar. 2009	all of this talk is great for the c*cktail hour but when it comes to action americans really don't give a shit about education. we love to talk about better educated teachers, smaller class sizes, etc., but when it comes time to float a property tax increase to pay more teachers at a salary that will be lucrative enough to attract better educated adults we all hide our check books. and well we should as when we do throw tax money at the problem it gets scattered to who knows where.
11/19/2012 9:07:49 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
jrbogie1949 Ventura, CA 68, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from cupocheer: There is mediocre outcome in America's education system because students and educators are not force-fed as they are in other countries. I don't support force-feeding anyone an education but learning standards need to be established and adherred to for anyone in the education filed: students, as well as educators. how do you force a child to learn? how do you increase the standard of educators without throwing money at the problem? lastly, which countries force feed education and maintains the liberties we enjoy in america?
11/19/2012 4:44:58 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Quote from jrbogie1949: all of this talk is great for the c*cktail hour but when it comes to action americans really don't give a shit about education. we love to talk about better educated teachers, smaller class sizes, etc., but when it comes time to float a property tax increase to pay more teachers at a salary that will be lucrative enough to attract better educated adults we all hide our check books. and well we should as when we do throw tax money at the problem it gets scattered to who knows where. I don't buy the idea that you can "buy" better teachers with higher pay. People graduating from college with degrees in education are having difficulty finding jobs like everyone else and schools have their pick of the cream of the crop each year. There certrainly ins't a shortage of new teachers or of quality teachers entering the profession. There are problems with a lot of tenured teachers and it does have to do with money in a way. Chicago teachers are among the highest paid in the nation and it isn't helping their students a bit. By federal standards their performance is dismal. Many teachers have unions like NYC does. They also actually have tenured teachers making 6 figures that aren't even teaching because they did something weird around kids but the city still can't fire them because of the teachers union. So rather than teach kids they hang out and get paid for doing pretty much nothing. One of the best teachers I ever had made just $28 a month. Granted it was a parochial school and he was a priest and it was a long time ago, but more money doesn't make good teachers. While teachers are generally paid very well for the most part, passion for the profession and skill is much more important to a great teacher than exorbitant pay.
11/19/2012 4:59:17 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Quote from jrbogie1949: how do you force a child to learn? how do you increase the standard of educators without throwing money at the problem? lastly, which countries force feed education and maintains the liberties we enjoy in america? Academically you cannot force a child or anyone to learn. People also learn at different paces and have different aptitudes for different subjects. Because of that what stifles development is a rigid set of lesson plans and standards that the geniuses at various levels and the Department of Education establish. The probelm is one size doesn't fit all and somebody is always going to be bored, some might be on track, and others will be (OMG!!!) the poor child that is left behind. Screw the grade level structure and sylibus. Let the smart kids finish high school by the time they are 10 if they can and let the others progress as they master things. Some will get left behind and might still be in the 6th grade when they turn 18. If that's the case we need grunt workers, too. Everybody isn't smart enough to build a nuclear reactor in their garage by age 8. Some people (like me) still can't spell in spite of chasing it for many years. They are all different. Different aptitudes, different interests, different skills, and various levels of basic intelligence demand that each be treated according to their particular needs and talents. One size can never fit all. The best system will create real opportunity to learn, create, and grow, not just achieve an acceptable level of a standardized set of (often dubious) skills.
11/19/2012 5:55:56 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	1) Revamp the entire system. 2) Set, and adher to, higher standards of teaching and learning.
11/20/2012 9:56:25 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
jrbogie1949 Ventura, CA 68, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from cupocheer: 1) Revamp the entire system. 2) Set, and adher to, higher standards of teaching and learning. fifty states = fifty systems to revamp.
11/21/2012 8:59:09 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
jrbogie1949 Ventura, CA 68, joined Mar. 2009	wow, i think i learned the metric system in third or fourth grade. [Edited 11/21/2012 8:59:56 PM ]
11/24/2012 8:14:38 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
jrbogie1949 Ventura, CA 68, joined Mar. 2009	i understand fully that kids are educated to different standards depending on the area of the country but that's sort of my point. the states, and more specifically the counties, determine the cirriculum and qualify the teachers. to think that there is a silver bullet that will fix 'the country's education system' is dreaming. one school board tries to add creationism to be taught alongside evolution, another does away with music programs because it needs to free up money to refurbish the football stadium which it relies on to generate the majority of it's funding shortfall, the list of issues goes on and on.
11/25/2012 1:35:59 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
gdragn Lake Worth, FL 54, joined Jul. 2011	The answer is simple... successful teachers don't take NO for an answer! In catholic school, parents paid dearly for this dynamic and so non participation was not tolerated. Many problem children(by today's standards) found that in public high school they could coast on the strength of what they had grudgingly learned in parochial, as their more studious counterparts excelled... As an assistant martial arts instructor I KNOW that ALL children eventually respond to the "not taking no for an answer" protocol, especially as is occasionally administered one to one, with calmness and patience, and the complete backing of the parents! This last has been circumvented by the court's leniancy in allowing too many frivolous lawsuits to be enacted against the schools, which have resulted in the weakening of necessary discipline...
12/29/2012 1:53:13 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	In public schools depending on where they are school districts spend between $8-9,000 on the low end up to $18,000 in more expensive districts per student. Now multiply that by an average class size of 20-30 students. That means you put between roughly $300,000 to $500,000 in each classroom every school year. Where does that money go? Even with unions the teacher sure isn't getting it. You can heat the entire bulding and run the bathrooms and water fountains on a fraction of it so it isn't there. Supplies? Field trips? Food? How much extra money do you send to school with your kids for that kind of stuff these days? So where does the money go? It doesn't go to the teacher or to facilities, it goes to multiple layers of administration. Very little of the money spent actually reaches the students. We're paying people to follow the tens of thousands of pages of rules and regulations the Department of Education is so adept at writing. In the end we wind up paying for a massive federal government bureaucracy we don't really need. These multiple layers of government control exist with every federal bureaucracy and have similarly rediculous costs associated with them. It will be no different with Obamacare than it is with our schools. The solution is simple. Get the federal government out of the state's and the people's business. Everything that makes America great happens at the state and local level. Other than when the need for national defense arises the federal government should mind it's own business. It would be much better for everyone. Our education system needs to be reformed in a very fundamenatal way. Our current system is still based on the Prussian model we adopted in the mid 1800's. With today's technology we can do a much better job of teaching students at every level of ability without having to run a a diverse pack of kids that happen to be the same age through an inflexible standardized system. Maybe that's why charter schools are becoming so popular and home schooled kids often out perform their peers in public schools? Educators know that mastery of skills and self based learning is more effective than running a standardized process. It has been tried in the past but was too difficult to control. With technology today that is no longer the case. The problem with education is the brick and mortar factory we use that put out standardized people using standardized processes like a factory. It is easy to make education personal today and to tailor it to each student so why not just do it?
12/29/2012 9:31:19 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
jrbogie1949 Ventura, CA 68, joined Mar. 2009	i don't see how the federal government is much of the problem in education. the administrative nightmare that is our school system is far and away more made up of state, county and municipal bungling idiots than the doe could ever employ. still, as in most things that involve human nature, we're always looking for someone else to blame for our ills. we love to groan and moan about low teacher salaries and such during happy hour but when it comes time to vote on a property tax increase or even attend a county supervisor's or local school board meeting very few can be found. big government will only get out of our lives when we quit btching about big government in our lives and do the f*k something about it. cept for me, of course. i'm retired.
12/29/2012 10:59:25 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	"No child left behind" comes to mind as one of the many mandates the federal government places on schools. Each and every one of the thousands of these mandates create havoc for local school districts at great expense. When I retired, unlike school bureaucrats in Washington, I didn't leave my brain behind.
12/29/2012 3:44:34 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
maybe98 Fort Smith, AR 54, joined May. 2012	Quote from 58dpilot: "No child left behind" comes to mind as one of the many mandates the federal government places on schools. Each and every one of the thousands of these mandates create havoc for local school districts at great expense. When I retired, unlike school bureaucrats in Washington, I didn't leave my brain behind. Are you sure about the brain.LOL
12/29/2012 3:54:24 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	I think so. Check out this new video of a new teacher accessroy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8r6CY5UZyw Every school marm needs one of these.
12/31/2012 4:12:16 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010
1/12/2013 5:15:38 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cdukshnow La Mesa, CA 49, joined Mar. 2010	My idea? Remove public, and maybe even private, schools. Then how would the children learn? AT HOME!!! "We have to work". Well, maybe you should have thought of that??? Thom
1/27/2013 11:33:19 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	a symposium on education would be the first step
2/10/2013 8:07:04 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
daizys118 Powder Springs, GA 39, joined Apr. 2012	We should have less standardized testing. If you really are interested, research the Finnish schools. They have the highest literacy rate in Europe. Only have one standardized test at the end of schooling. Everyone goes on to college or to learn a trade (well just about). The teachers have more autonomy and do not have to teach to a test. They are able to tailor the lessons to the students and keep them engaged. Now there is a drawback to this. Our culture/society is very different from Finland. We do not value the teachers like they do in Finland. The Finnish teachers get paid better money and have more education (masters at least). We would have to radically change our school systems if we wanted to really fix them.
2/11/2013 9:12:28 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Quote from daizys118: We should have less standardized testing. If you really are interested, research the Finnish schools. They have the highest literacy rate in Europe. Only have one standardized test at the end of schooling. Everyone goes on to college or to learn a trade (well just about). The teachers have more autonomy and do not have to teach to a test. They are able to tailor the lessons to the students and keep them engaged. Now there is a drawback to this. Our culture/society is very different from Finland. We do not value the teachers like they do in Finland. The Finnish teachers get paid better money and have more education (masters at least). We would have to radically change our school systems if we wanted to really fix them. I lived in Germany for 7 years. Their system is similar to what you describe. A major difference is that when kids are 18 they either move on to a university or are usually qualified in a "trade". One group follows an academic curriculum and the other apprentices part time while the school teaches course work relative to the trade. They don't graduate an "automobile mechanic", they go a step further and graduate a Ford, Mercedes, BMW mechanic, or diesel engine mechanic, or something along those lines. They might also graduate as a licensed and qualified barber/hairdresser, baker, butcher, hotelier, electronic technician, or be qualified in another trade. Unlike their American peers, at 18 many German kids are actually qualified to do something. Companies support the school system by providing the paid employment for these "journeymen" in a learning environment and have a lot of input into what is taught in school. As a result of that kids learn marketable skills. Some community colleges here do that, some don't. I was on the Business and Industry Advisory Board at a local community college where I live. We advised faculty on the skills and knowledge we needed for various technical jobs like ammonia refridgeration, PLC's, automation, etc. Local industry donated equipment to the school so students had hands-on training. The community college had a fully functional ammonia refrigeration system donated by local industries. We also donated tractors and trailers for the diesel mechanic and professional driver courses. Students completing these programs have well paying jobs waiting when they graduate unlike many traditional college graduates that are working at McDonalds and other places for minimun wage.
2/24/2013 10:43:44 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Teachers who teach .. and instructors which instruct.
2/27/2013 1:09:08 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
metalshadow6 Dillon, SC 36, joined Feb. 2013	Charters Schools having been popping up in many areas. They take in many kids, even the at risk and trouble makers, yet they have less problems, better grade results and operate at the fraction of the cost of traditional public schools.
2/27/2013 1:34:13 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Local educational systems are dependent upon the national educational system to be fixed prior to any trickle-down corrections happening locally.
2/28/2013 8:49:50 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
metalshadow6 Dillon, SC 36, joined Feb. 2013	They need to do away with the national educational department. They keep spending more and grades stay the same. I never understood why we have to send money to DC just for them to send it back with requirements on how to use it after the government grab their share out of it.
2/28/2013 9:42:17 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from cdukshnow: My idea? Remove public, and maybe even private, schools. Then how would the children learn? AT HOME!!! "We have to work". Well, maybe you should have thought of that??? Thom I disagree that all children should be home-schooled. If today's young parents didn't receive a top-notch education themselves then their children would suffer even more from a lack of education. All parents (et.al.) are not appropriate teaching role-models.
3/1/2013 1:43:25 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
metalshadow6 Dillon, SC 36, joined Feb. 2013	Some at home schooled are done by a groups of parents but education of our kids will not improve until we put them first. I am amazed how they say we should pay teachers more and not fire them because they want to teach the kids. We need to be focus if they can teach, not want to teach. Do you want a doctor to work on your heart because he wants to yet not any good, or because he can and is the best?
3/6/2013 11:43:49 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Christopher Paolini wrote his first novel before he was old enough to legally buy a beer and has written three more since. His first novel was written on a level that few modern authors can duplicate and the first one was made into a feature movie. He was home schooled in Montana.
3/20/2013 8:29:01 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Improved education --- from the top tier to the pre-school level.
3/24/2013 7:23:34 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cowboy4672 Lillian, AL 69, joined Dec. 2012	Number one: School boards, Eliminate them!! These are the cause of most of your overhead cost in all school systems. It is also where most of your career politicians, not born into it, begin! Number two: NIMBY Because you hold to your Castle neighborhood theory. (Only people who look like you are allowed in your castle.) You expose your children to road hazards and learning time is decreased to three hours per day. With lunch and recess thrown in. Teacher exposure time per subject........................At least four subjects per day!!
3/25/2013 9:03:37 AM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Get rid of the unions and make teachers compete for their jobs like every other worker in America. Competition and performance guarantee you get the best, not the entrenched. Unions shut out many and protect too many that shouldn't be there in the first place. They make it nearly impossible to fire a substandard teacher. Looking at the current strike in Ohio and the infantile, tantrum-like behavior of those teachers makes it clear that I wouldn't want that kind of person influencing the mind of my kids for 6 hours or so a day, especially at an average salary of over $64,000 a year, full health benefits, and paid retirement all for not much more than 9 months of work. There are lots of college grads out there that are the product of a failing educational system that are either not working or "underemployed" that would love the opportunity to replace them especially at those salaries and benefits. Let striking teachers take a stab at part time employment at McDonalds or working as a part-time bartender and maybe they'll begin to see reality like everyone else and get off their high horses? [Edited 3/25/2013 9:04:30 AM ]
3/25/2013 12:53:50 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	#1 ~~ Insist on higher standards of education for teachers & instructors.
3/25/2013 6:44:55 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
jokethem Kansas City, KS 63, joined Feb. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: #1 ~~ Insist on higher standards of education for teachers & instructors. While your insisting for this and that? Don't forget to pay off your local NTU. National Teachers Union. Oh, and the "experts". Better yet cup, go sit on your school board and call the bull shit, bull shit.
3/25/2013 8:09:04 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Quote from jokethem: While your insisting for this and that? Don't forget to pay off your local NTU. National Teachers Union. Oh, and the "experts". Better yet cup, go sit on your school board and call the bull shit, bull shit. They don't need to be concerned with higher standards, the union protects them from any effect of such a thing.
3/25/2013 9:20:14 PM	Ideas to locally or nationally fix our education systems?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Thank you, Joke ... for your endorsement. While I say that the nation (as a responsible group) should INSIST on better education for our teachers and instructors, with the idea that the "higher" learning would trickle down thru all levels of education is not a debatable point of conversation. This thread is to express one's opinion of what may be done to improve education ... and my personal opinion, sir, is mine, and need not be the same as yours. To be condescending toward me, personally, for expressing my personal opinion is beneath even the most literate who would only espouse their dissent by political rhetoric over every issue. Have a good day.

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