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2/13/2013 11:45:59 AM Thoughts on Rubio's Rebuttal.  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Rubio said more in 5 minutes than Obama did in over an hour. In subsance Rubio hit the nail exactly on the head. His nervous discomfort reflects humility rather than the blatant confidence of a self-centered patronizing idealog like Obama.

Give me a fresh, clear-headed, smart young man like Rubio any day. Unlike the confident socialist Obama hell bent on the destruction of the country, and in spite of a little awkwardness, at least everything Rubio said demonstrated thoughtful common sense, logic,reality, and patriotism to the cultural values that made American great.

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2/13/2013 3:48:44 PM Thoughts on Rubio's Rebuttal.  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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I guess some people missed the point of it all.

2/13/2013 10:50:57 PM Thoughts on Rubio's Rebuttal.  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


OK, lets do a fact check on some of Obama's meanderings during his State of the Union Address:
Obama: “Corporate profits have rocketed to all-time highs – but for more than a decade, wages and incomes have barely budged.”
Facts: Wages and incomes may not always be the best measurement, because they leave out benefits, which have increased overall compensation over several decades. Regardless, Obama chose his timeframe carefully, because over the past four years, middle class income has actually declined.
Obama: “In 2011, Congress passed a law saying that if both parties couldn’t agree on a plan to reach our deficit goal, about a trillion dollars’ worth of budget cuts would automatically go into effect this year.”
Facts: Obama is referring to the sequester. He omits the fact that he (or his White House) proposed the sequester, and he personally signed it, with the hope of using it to push Republicans into passing higher tax rates on high earners.
Obama: “Over the last few years, both parties have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion.”
Facts: Both Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Read have used this claim, but it’s not true. As FactCheck.org noted recently, the figure includes over $1 trillion in spending cuts that “have yet to materialize.” It also includes $500 billion in projected reduced interest--not spending cuts or tax increases--and deficits remain high.
Obama: “Already, the Affordable Care Act is helping to slow the growth of health care costs.”
Facts: The cost of health care has continued to grow, albeit less quickly--but the recession is a big part of the story. People are spending less because they can afford less. Obamacare has already made health insurance premiums more expensive, and Obamacare does not change the fundamental incentive problems that drive costs in U.S. health care.
Obama: “Let me repeat--nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime.”
Facts: This is a repeated promise (as well as a repeated metaphor: Obama also used the “single dime” phrase in describing tax cuts in his stimulus). Obama broke that promise most spectacularly in Obamacare, which only “balances” due to accounting tricks and is almost certain to cost more than originally expected--net as well as gross. It will probably actually cost more than ten times more than he estimated.
Obama: “We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas, and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar – with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.”
Facts: The supply of renewable energy sources in the U.S. rose only about 10% in Obama’s first three years in office--very far from doubling.
Obama: “Heat waves, droughts, wildfires, and floods--all are now more frequent and intense. We can choose to believe that Superstorm Sandy, and the most severe drought in decades, and the worst wildfires some states have ever seen were all just a freak coincidence. Or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science – and act before it’s too late.”
Facts: Or we can call it “weather,” which is far closer to the truth than this scary story.
Obama: “That’s why my Administration will keep cutting red tape and speeding up new oil and gas permits.”
Facts: In order to “keep” doing something, you have to have been doing it already. As Mitt Romney argued very ably in the presidential debates, the Obama administration has tried to slow oil and gas permitting on public lands, while taking credit for (or obstructing) much of the energy boom that has taken place on private lands.
Obama: “But taxpayers cannot continue to subsidize the soaring cost of higher education.”
Facts: The fact that taxpayers continue subsidizing the cost of higher education is part of the reason that the cost of education keeps rising. Obama did not mention the crisis in student loan delinquency, which increased support from the government for tuition costs has not been enough to prevent. The fundamental problem is youth unemployment.
Obma: “[M]ore boots on the southern border than at any time in our history, and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.”
Facts: Many of the “boots” Obama deployed to border states did not actually go to the border, less than half of which is actually secure. Illegal border crossings have decreased--but it is almost universally agreed that the cause is our poor economy, not enforcement--which Obama has effectively gutted.
Obama: “And I ask this Congress to declare that women should earn a living equal to their efforts, and finally pass the Paycheck Fairness Act this year.”
Facts:This is a rather amusing promise, since Obama’s support for the Lily Ledbetter Act in 2009, which was meant to have guaranteed “equal pay,” was a major boast in his re-election campaign. Did he fail to make pay equal when he said he had? No--he just needs the issue to boost support.

2/13/2013 10:52:20 PM Thoughts on Rubio's Rebuttal.  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


And to follow through with some more assertions:

Obama: “Tonight, let’s declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty, and raise the federal minimum wage to $9.00 an hour.”
Facts: That means, of course, that fewer people will be working full-time, or even part-time. Hiking the minimum wage is at odds with increasing jobs, and hurts minorities and young people worst, damaging their future employment prospects significantly.
Obama: “We’ll give new tax credits to businesses that hire and invest.”
Facts: A rather vague promise that sounds like a good idea. It’s not a factual mistake by itself--except that it likely contradicts his earlier promise on tax reform: “The American people deserve a tax code that helps small businesses spend less time filling out complicated forms, and more time expanding and hiring.” That means fewer special rules, deductions and tricks.
Obama: “Today, the organization [Al Qaeda] that attacked us on 9/11 is a shadow of its former self.”
Facts: It takes a special kind of chutzpah to say that, five months after a terror attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that claimed the lives of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador. Obama acknowledges that the threat continues--it is “evolving,” he says, in a curious use of the word--but to declare victory, without mentioning Benghazi?
Obama: “The regime in North Korea must know that they will only achieve security and prosperity by meeting their international obligations.”
Facts: Since when has the North Korean regime ever cared about prosperity? This marks the third State of the Union address in which Obama has mentioned North Korea (he did so in 2010 and 2011 as well)--and each time Obama has congratulated himself for his administration’s policy on the issue.
Obama: “As long as I’m Commander-in-Chief, we will do whatever we must to protect those who serve their country abroad, and we will maintain the best military in the world. We will invest in new capabilities, even as we reduce waste and wartime spending.”
Facts: Even before the sequester, the Obama administration has slashed defense, reducing our military capabilities to the point where we can no longer plan to fight a two-front war.
Obama: “That’s why, tonight, I’m announcing a non-partisan commission to improve the voting experience in America.”
Facts: Not the accuracy or fairness or transparency of the process, but the experience. The chances that Obama’s commission will recommend photo ID for voters, or that such a recommendation would be adopted, are zero. In fact, the Obama administration has stridently opposed states’ own efforts to improve voting in America.
Obama: “Police chiefs are asking our help to get weapons of war and massive ammunition magazines off our streets, because they are tired of being outgunned.”
Facts: These terms suit Obama’s gun control agenda, but they are grossly misleading. So-called “weapons of war”--i.e. assault rifles, machine guns and the like--are already banned, and proposals on the table to reduce magazine size target relatively small clips, not “massive” ones. Additionally, the Sheriff's Associations in several states have written formal letters to Obama refusing to enforce any infringement on the Second Ammendment and several have advised that what needs to be done is connect the background check process to people with mental defects.

Obama is an eloquent speaker and convincing until you check the facts behind his assertions. At that point his arguments and ideas fall apart almost completely.

2/14/2013 11:34:32 AM Thoughts on Rubio's Rebuttal.  

58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012


Do check the facts. The details are important.

2/27/2013 11:20:18 PM Thoughts on Rubio's Rebuttal.  

tnbadboy1965
Gallatin, TN
51, joined Dec. 2012


Quote from andy505050:
Its late and Ill go thru all that tommorrow. But ill touch on one thing. The minimum wage. No study has shown that raising minimum wage has ever had much of an impact on employment numbers one way or the other.

It don't affect me because I don't have the gaul to ask someone to work for minimum wage anyway. Besides as a tax payer aren't you tired of subsidizing employers wages? I pay fair wages and deal with it. So should other employers. (Matter in fact it hurts my business when my competition hires cheap labor) Thats what we do when minimum wage earners end up with govt benefits because theyre still in poverty. Then if we were to cut benefits crime would go up and we'd pay more in taxes hiring law enforcement and prison personel.

In reality it has minimal long term effect and in a year or two inflation has covered the cost for employers. It'll hurt retail and temp agencies. And I could care less about temp agencies, theyre kinda like payday lenders anyway. Theyre more a drag than a benefit to the economy.

Ill go thru all that tommorrow. I'm sure some of its right and some of its wrong as usual. Politicians are politicians.


Even at $9 an hour they will still be living below the poverty level. So what is the point of saying it needs to be raised because people should not be expected to live in poverty. $9 an hour is nothing, As a matter of fact it coul dpush some into a slightly higher tax bracket.