| 2/20/2014 11:48:14 AM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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The materials on enlightenment it seems are describing a high I get when I pop LSD. The euphoria and full sensory overdrive I feel on acid is for the most part what enlightenment gurus are describing.
Do you suppose they are describing the window to enlightenment or is that it? Since there's no clear threshold on the enlightenment spectrum, if there is a spectrum or gradation.
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| 2/20/2014 9:16:16 PM |
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cowboy4672
Lillian, AL
70, joined Dec. 2012
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What you are experiencing is the throws of addiction, leading you to believe a vegetative state is the natural pose of the human Brain....
Happy Vegetating!!!!!!! 
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| 2/20/2014 10:09:27 PM |
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_us4love
Salem, OR
50, joined Nov. 2013
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I don't think I personally would call lsd any kind of spiritual enlightenment... at least not from my many experiences... however, many do claim this and who am I to truly state what enlightenment might actually be... one diffidently comes away with a different perspective on things... and Wow... did I have great times!!!
 
Now psilocybin in my opinion is a whole another story... especially Liberty Caps... they give such a crystal clear perception of the world!!!
I personally have not tried meditation while on either of these substances... this very well might just blow someones mind doing so... in a good way that is!!! 
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| 2/20/2014 11:19:01 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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Actually that's pretty much the same thing they both release the DMT that facilitate enlightenment.
Being on this drugs like peyote as I understand it opens the door to enlightenment and NOT enlightenment itself
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| 2/21/2014 1:45:49 AM |
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_us4love
Salem, OR
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Actually that's pretty much the same thing they both release the DMT that facilitate enlightenment.
Being on this drugs like peyote as I understand it opens the door to enlightenment and NOT enlightenment itself
Are you saying LSD & a Shroom high are pretty much the same thing??? oh my... maybe in your world... they are totally different as night and day to me...
I have never eaten Peyote before... however, I have eaten San Pedro in the past... which contain 2% mescaline... I don't know about enlightenment from this stuff... I actually do not remember a thing for 8 hour I was on it... I sat on a couch, looked up in the corner and was gone... just blank... haven't a clue what actually if anything took place within my mind... I guess you could say I received endarkenment from this substance... lol
I have smoked DMT once... it was like peaking higher than I ever had on LSD which lasted for about the first 7 seconds and then over the next 20 min was coming down from this... once you hit it you don't know what to do or that your going to do... am I going live, die, puke or pee... too funny, way trippy and would not like to do it again... the quickest & highest I have ever been!!!
ALD is kind of different... (only once as well) I find it very close to lsd, much milder in my opinion... only a little visual... this actually might do well for meditating...
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| 2/21/2014 11:43:07 AM |
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nygrower
New York, NY
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a co worker of mine told me a story the other day when he tripped on acid, hes only 19 and has not done a lot of drugs in his life. What he told me blew me away and it sounded plausible.
I believe there are different levels of reality and consciousness and LSD may help those see the different levels.
I also was told (maybe BS) that when someone is on LSD, they are using a bigger percentage of their brain, its even higher with the DMT drug supposedly.
I tried shrooms many times and i had the best laugh i ever had. It was great. I would think LSD is way more serious and deeper.
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| 2/22/2014 2:34:19 PM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
68, joined Dec. 2010
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Dude,
You're taking a f**king drug, lots of people see God on drugs.
It does not mean they actually do.
Now, please go shoot yourself.
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| 2/22/2014 11:11:31 PM |
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furchizedek
Kingman, AZ
74, joined Sep. 2010
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I think the word you want is "throes," and who told you LSD was addictive? Do you know anything about it?
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| 2/23/2014 7:37:17 AM |
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jediknight2003
New Caney, TX
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When I was a teenager I had a few experiences with LSD, and mushrooms. There was always other's around who were just being stupid so the whole experience was limited by those surroundings. Even with their interference I still found it very enlightening.
Then out of the blue about a year ago, some mushrooms came along again, this time I meditated under some magnolia trees alone, while the others ran around loosing their minds. Some observers came to see if I was "out of it" and I just kept my composure and looked back at them wondering what do you want from me?
One thing was interesting, they noticed the hair on my head was standing straight up as if I were full of static electricity. I looked up through the treetops and suddenly I found so much wisdom in that tree. I could see sacred shapes through the canopy, I could see spirits in the tree trunk. I blew my mind how the magnoilia was a living thing, year round, and every spring it would bare flowers and seeds. Other trees ceased to grow and lost all their leaves in the winter months, but it lived on. I looked up and down the ancient trunk, I could see rows and rows of faces spiraling up the tree, as I they were souls from the past being purified and released back into nature.
But do trees purify souls? Or do they just absorb toxins so that we can breath fresh air?
I guess that's just a question as to whether or not you're spiritual.
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| 2/26/2014 2:21:19 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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Are you saying LSD & a Shroom high are pretty much the same thing??? oh my... maybe in your world... they are totally different as night and day to me...
I have never eaten Peyote before... however, I have eaten San Pedro in the past... which contain 2% mescaline... I don't know about enlightenment from this stuff... I actually do not remember a thing for 8 hour I was on it... I sat on a couch, looked up in the corner and was gone... just blank... haven't a clue what actually if anything took place within my mind... I guess you could say I received endarkenment from this substance... lol
I have smoked DMT once... it was like peaking higher than I ever had on LSD which lasted for about the first 7 seconds and then over the next 20 min was coming down from this... once you hit it you don't know what to do or that your going to do... am I going live, die, puke or pee... too funny, way trippy and would not like to do it again... the quickest & highest I have ever been!!!
ALD is kind of different... (only once as well) I find it very close to lsd, much milder in my opinion... only a little visual... this actually might do well for meditating...
Not at all I'm not saying that but they are both of the mescaline variety. And they're saying, the enlightenment community, that the high we get translate as the door TO enlightenment. The clarity of thought while high on acid, the hyperactive senses, are all indicative of enlightenment in progress. The monks normally get to this stage by way of yoga or meditation.
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| 4/18/2014 4:30:44 PM |
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zenpaxamoris
Fredericksburg, VA
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LSD and psychoactive drugs like it dis-inhibit parts of the brain, letting us see dream like things (hallucinations) thereby allowing for (quite literally) more open minded thinking. I have had a lot of great ideas and little epiphanies when tripping. Also, in the past when I have come to a place of stagnation or crossroads, I would take a spirit walk.
I would like to do this again one day, but it's hard to find good, natural forms of the drug than it used to be in college, lol.
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| 4/28/2014 10:35:26 PM |
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jediknight2003
New Caney, TX
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| 4/30/2014 11:38:17 PM |
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vanhalla
Los Angeles, CA
51, joined Aug. 2013
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| 5/1/2014 8:12:41 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
42, joined Jan. 2014
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Haha like most anything , we are all looking at the sun and we all have different position on its context and relevance to our lives.
The question posted here has nothing to do we recreational drug but the benefit or lack thereof to our psyche.
LSD or any psychedelics are non-addictive but it has the ability to stay in our system for years.
Enlightenment as defined by Immanuel Kant says to be enlightened is to know the dynamics of the universe without outside help. I.e. You didn't just read it somewhere.
LSD as it turns out facilitates this process.
And if anyone remembers, just for FYI, Timothy Leary as a post graduate student in the 50s was involved in a CIA program studying the effect of subliminal instruction employing this new drug. Needless to say he was canned after letting the world know what benefit it brings
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| 5/15/2014 2:24:39 AM |
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furchizedek
Kingman, AZ
74, joined Sep. 2010
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Do you actually know ANYTHING about LSD or addiction?
I didn't think so.
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| 5/17/2014 1:35:28 PM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
53, joined Sep. 2012
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Look up project MKUltra if you want to know how bad LSD is. It was run by the CIA back in the 50's.
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| 5/18/2014 4:02:50 AM |
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_us4love
Salem, OR
50, joined Nov. 2013
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The only thing LSD does that bad for you is eat up all your Vitamin C...
so, when dosing on L dose up on C and your good to go... lol
I guess if your a total moron you might want to jump off a building to see if you could fly... but this has noting to do with being high on LSD... and everything to do with being stupid... everyone knows you test your flight capabilities first from the ground... lol
Disclaimer: that so long as it is good, clean, pure LSD...
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| 5/18/2014 9:35:22 AM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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I understand that LSD provides us that moment of clarity which others consider transcendental.
Getting your mind as " cowboy" puts it , in a vegetative state. Which we westerners consider " dumb".
According to the Buddhist belief and dogma, a clear mind is an empty mind.
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| 5/18/2014 10:21:43 AM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
53, joined Sep. 2012
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The only thing LSD does that bad for you is eat up all your Vitamin C...
so, when dosing on L dose up on C and your good to go... lol
I guess if your a total moron you might want to jump off a building to see if you could fly... but this has noting to do with being high on LSD... and everything to do with being stupid... everyone knows you test your flight capabilities first from the ground... lol
Disclaimer: that so long as it is good, clean, pure LSD...
Just curious...
Since LSD is illegal, how do you know it's "good, clean and pure"? It's not regulated by the FDA!
Claiming LSD is not addictive is only half true. While it's not physically addictive it is most definitely psychologically addictive. One of the major problems is that LSD is unpredictable. You don't know if you're going to have a good trip or a bad one. Long term use causes persistent psychosis and flashbacks. Some never come back from their trip. Long term use requires larger and larger doses to get the same results. That's a train wreck waiting to happen. Eventually you reach a tipping point! The only thing I can say is good luck with that!
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| 5/18/2014 10:50:26 AM |
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_us4love
Salem, OR
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Just curious...
Since LSD is illegal, how do you know it's "good, clean and pure"? It's not regulated by the FDA!
Claiming LSD is not addictive is only half true. While it's not physically addictive it is most definitely psychologically addictive. One of the major problems is that LSD is unpredictable. You don't know if you're going to have a good trip or a bad one. Long term use causes persistent psychosis and flashbacks. Some never come back from their trip. Long term use requires larger and larger doses to get the same results. That's a train wreck waiting to happen. Eventually you reach a tipping point! The only thing I can say is good luck with that!
^^^ Has never consumed LSD and knows not what he talks about...
LSD is in no way shape or form addictive physically nor psychologically... never has been never will be... nor does it cause any kind of psychosis... <-- don't debate a certified crazy on this point... lol and I only wished I would/could have a flashback...
and that just bullshit requiring larger doses to get the same results... and I never heard of anyone taking LSD on a daily basis anyhow... that just silly shit there dude!!!
unpredictable... dude you really need eat some LSD before you speak... it's only unpredictable if you dealing with impure LSD...
NO... I always know I'm gonna have a good trip... and always did... and if you think your might gonna have a bad trip... what are you doing thinking about taking L in the first place... same could be said about a road trip... your attitude can quickly ruin that too...
and some never come back from there trip... I've heard that too... well, guess we all can't be that lucky... seriously though, those folk did come down from there high I can guarantee it... not sure what messed these people up but I put money on the fact had they never eaten L before sooner or later they still would have been mentally messed up... sounds like an onset of schizophrenia to me...
your too funny... tipping point... ya, tell that to Jim Morrison... 10,000 mic's didn't tip him a bit!!!
I got to know... just what is the meaning of psychosis to you anyhow???
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| 5/18/2014 1:47:53 PM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
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^^^ Has never consumed LSD and knows not what he talks about...
LSD is in no way shape or form addictive physically nor psychologically... never has been never will be... nor does it cause any kind of psychosis... <-- don't debate a certified crazy on this point... lol and I only wished I would/could have a flashback...
and that just bullshit requiring larger doses to get the same results... and I never heard of anyone taking LSD on a daily basis anyhow... that just silly shit there dude!!!
unpredictable... dude you really need eat some LSD before you speak... it's only unpredictable if you dealing with impure LSD...
NO... I always know I'm gonna have a good trip... and always did... and if you think your might gonna have a bad trip... what are you doing thinking about taking L in the first place... same could be said about a road trip... your attitude can quickly ruin that too...
and some never come back from there trip... I've heard that too... well, guess we all can't be that lucky... seriously though, those folk did come down from there high I can guarantee it... not sure what messed these people up but I put money on the fact had they never eaten L before sooner or later they still would have been mentally messed up... sounds like an onset of schizophrenia to me...
your too funny... tipping point... ya, tell that to Jim Morrison... 10,000 mic's didn't tip him a bit!!!
I got to know... just what is the meaning of psychosis to you anyhow???
Psychosis is a relatively broad term that involves a loss of contact with reality. It'usually given to negative deficits in normal behavior more commonly with hallucinations and delusional beliefs (delusions of persecutions, narcissism, grandiosity etc.) Psychosis can be accompanied by. difficulties with social interaction and carrying out daily life activities.
One doesn't need to stand in front of a speeding bus to know what the outcome will be. Much like the warnings on a pack of cigarettes the scientific evidence has been available for years yet people ignore it. For now,let's just understand that we have made our own choices in life. We've each provided our own information. Let the rest decide for themselves. We'll put this thread to bed.
As for Jim Morrison...that bathtub he drowned in didn't help him out much.
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| 5/31/2014 8:43:07 PM |
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blake6972
Bunker Hill, WV
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You all are crazy. I will say, having a history with LSD, it is pretty wild to say the least. For several years , LSD was part of my diet . No longer.
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| 9/28/2014 12:06:04 AM |
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sololove7
Sacramento, CA
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I can understand about the trees which I think that's beautiful you seen that about trees
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| 9/28/2014 2:26:19 AM |
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furchizedek
Kingman, AZ
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It doesn't sound like you know anything about LSD. It's not addicting. Do you think you're fooling anyone by saying it is? People are getting too savvy for that tactic anymore.
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| 10/17/2014 11:44:14 AM |
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makeusmile34
Pickens, SC
38, joined Apr. 2013
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Had something terribly cruel done to me...only means of dealing with it was to sweat-it-out in front of a fire pit...LSD saved my life.Pobably several others as well.Had i not had it to allow me to step outside myself to see all that went down from a universal perspective...I'd be an fbi case study.
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| 10/21/2014 10:13:01 PM |
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starr_so_happy
Perry, IA
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| 12/3/2014 1:29:23 PM |
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makeusmile34
Pickens, SC
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OH SHIT!Pleeeeease tell me y'all see that little dude too!?!
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| 1/4/2015 10:10:37 AM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
42, joined Jan. 2014
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LSD and psychoactive drugs like it dis-inhibit parts of the brain, letting us see dream like things (hallucinations) thereby allowing for (quite literally) more open minded thinking. I have had a lot of great ideas and little epiphanies when tripping. Also, in the past when I have come to a place of stagnation or crossroads, I would take a spirit walk.
I would like to do this again one day, but it's hard to find good, natural forms of the drug than it used to be in college, lol.
Interesting ...... i thought it opens all your cerebral faculties as the CIA puts it but dis-inhibit,i suppose, is another way of putting it ...
doesnt peyote mimick the effects of such "dis'inhibitors: ?
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| 1/11/2015 8:10:31 PM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
53, joined Sep. 2012
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your too funny... tipping point... ya, tell that to Jim Morrison... 10,000 mic's didn't tip him a bit!!!
I would love to tell Jim Morrison about his tipping point. Unfortunately He is dead! He died back in 1971 slumped over a toilet in a Paris nightclub. We will never know what drug since he abused them all. We can only hope He obtained enlightenment before his death. That you want to use him as your poster boy speaks volumes...
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| 1/12/2015 12:12:53 AM |
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_us4love
Salem, OR
50, joined Nov. 2013
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your too funny... tipping point... ya, tell that to Jim Morrison... 10,000 mic's didn't tip him a bit!!!
I would love to tell Jim Morrison about his tipping point. Unfortunately He is dead! He died back in 1971 slumped over a toilet in a Paris nightclub. We will never know what drug since he abused them all. We can only hope He obtained enlightenment before his death. That you want to use him as your poster boy speaks volumes...
I thought it was you who wanted to put it to rest... looks like I hurt your feeling more than I thought... 
NOW... chill out and eat some LSD!!! 
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| 1/24/2015 9:42:17 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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Mormanism
If Mr. Smith was the source of enlightenment why was he so late in coming onto the scene?
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| 1/25/2015 11:25:14 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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Mormanism
If Mr. Smith was the source of enlightenment why was he so late in coming onto the scene?
Who said he was ?
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| 1/28/2015 5:14:22 PM |
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turkalurk82
Godfrey, IL
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This is a good article relevant to the topic.
http://m.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personality-long-term.html
An excerpt:
"This is one of the first studies to show that you actually can change adult personality," said MacLean, a postdoctoral researcher at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
The root of the change seems to be not the drug itself, MacLean told LiveScience, but the mystical experiences that psilocybin often triggers. These profound, transcendent feelings feel no less real to people for being chemically induced, she said.---
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| 1/28/2015 8:30:33 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
42, joined Jan. 2014
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This is a good article relevant to the topic.
http://m.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personality-long-term.html
An excerpt:
"This is one of the first studies to show that you actually can change adult personality," said MacLean, a postdoctoral researcher at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
The root of the change seems to be not the drug itself, MacLean told LiveScience, but the mystical experiences that psilocybin often triggers. These profound, transcendent feelings feel no less real to people for being chemically induced, she said.---
That's a super great article. ..thanks for sharing. ..this effectively answer my question and closes it ...
Again. ...thank you
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