4/4/2014 9:50:51 AM |
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istillgotmysoul
Charlotte, NC
41, joined Aug. 2013
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Found a mazda millenia, the owner says it needs a timing belt and a water pump. He is asking $700. What else could be wrong with it? Would it be worth it to fix?
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4/4/2014 10:54:37 AM |
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1irving
Ruskin, FL
56, joined Mar. 2013
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Bent valves 2000.00. Rusted brakes, 500.00
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4/4/2014 1:38:39 PM |
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21stcent
South Prairie, WA
65, joined Nov. 2007
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When asking questions, give as much information as possible. What year, what model, how many miles, which engine.
Is it driveable, or is the timing belt already broken? If the belt is already broken the valves may have hit the pistons and be bent, hence the $2000 to fix (or more).
How long has it sat? Was it in a flood? Have you seen it or just talked with the owner?
Do you have any abilities as a mechanic?
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4/4/2014 8:06:26 PM |
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karrpilot
Oswego, IL
53, joined Jul. 2009
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He won't get $700.00 out of the junkyard. So why does he think he can sell it to some sucker for that?
The most I have ever paid for a vehicle that didn't run, was $50.00. I figured I would take a gamble on it, because I knew the junkyard would give me at least that back if I called them up.
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4/5/2014 1:27:57 AM |
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mierze6140
Middletown, CT
33, joined Mar. 2008
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For something that cheap, plan on spending twice that in parts to get it safe and reliable.
X2 on the brake lines. Inevitable on those cars.
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4/5/2014 7:55:12 AM |
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luckylouie42
Cedar Grove, WV
74, joined Mar. 2008
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anybody knows that a 700 dollar car is a piece of crap. hell I pay that much for a set of tires.
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4/5/2014 12:45:31 PM |
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karrpilot
Oswego, IL
53, joined Jul. 2009
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I sold my last running and moving car for $500.00. 200 K on a 1996 Ford Escort. Front end falling apart, rear bumper torn off, floor rusted out of it, lower spring coils broken in the back, etc.
Didn't use oil in between changes, transmission shifted great, and even the A/C blew cold air. But you do get what you paid for. I unloaded a gem, and the buyer knew what he was getting. And he STILL wanted it.
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4/5/2014 1:03:31 PM |
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tomtom_88
Chicago, IL
29, joined Jun. 2011
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That is buyer beware. I think since it is an interference engine the whole engine should be looked at may be a rebuild.
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4/5/2014 11:51:12 PM |
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mitchell4679
Mills River, NC
50, joined Nov. 2013
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Check with parts house .. ask if its a interferance engine. If yes the valves. Will be warped . That can get costly
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4/23/2014 4:44:23 PM |
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xlatinax1970
Highland, CA
47, joined Mar. 2014
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I have a 96 Toyota tercel I need the front breaks done but don't have very much money anyone know where I can get my breaks done for cheap please help single parent.
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4/23/2014 6:17:46 PM |
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21stcent
South Prairie, WA
65, joined Nov. 2007
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Local high school auto shop. Call them.
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4/23/2014 8:20:10 PM |
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karrpilot
Oswego, IL
53, joined Jul. 2009
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Yes, local high schools, vocational schools, etc. Check with their automotive department heads. All they can legally charge you for is parts. The labor is free, because the students are learning on your ride.
When I went through the programs, the instructors had to supervise and sign off on the student's work. As well as grade the students on their abilities. Now the down side to this is you won't get you car back quickly. Remember, they are just students learning. So they do tend to be much slower.
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5/21/2014 12:41:07 AM |
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squid24
San Antonio, TX
28, joined Mar. 2013
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To bad you don't live in Texas I would help you out and do them for you for cheap
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5/21/2014 7:48:47 AM |
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
41, joined Apr. 2007
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receipts are golden,and the key to the whole history of the car.
it will let you know whats been done to the car,and also....what hasn't.
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5/23/2014 5:27:41 AM |
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xlatinax1970
Highland, CA
47, joined Mar. 2014
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I need a good reliable mechanic to change the rotators on my 96 Toyota toyota trecel please if no know of anyone that is reasonable priced.:signhelpb
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5/23/2014 12:59:30 PM |
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luckylouie42
Cedar Grove, WV
74, joined Mar. 2008
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me, I am cheap.
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5/25/2014 8:10:24 PM |
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mr_louie420
Riverside, CA
34, joined Jan. 2014
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I need a good reliable mechanic to change the rotators on my 96 Toyota toyota trecel please if no know of anyone that is reasonable priced. :signhelpb
if you buy the parts I'll donate my time to help you out. you will also need to drive to riverside
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5/26/2014 6:10:06 AM |
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real_1_here_4_u
Marion, OH
38, joined Nov. 2013
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Found a mazda millenia, the owner says it needs a timing belt and a water pump. He is asking $700. What else could be wrong with it? Would it be worth it to fix?
Without any known history of the Mazda except for a possible timing belt and water pump, it's hard to give any exact input on it, especially if it is not drivable, which I am assuming it is not. It very well could need more money put into it than it is worth, and then again maybe not. But my best guess is if the timing belt is already broken chances are there could be more internal damage that could be expensive to repair....valves, cam shaft, ect.....
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5/26/2014 9:15:45 AM |
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Its already been said to pass it up. The engine is a interference fit. Echoing the same sentiment to someone that hasnt returned usnt worth while right?
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5/26/2014 3:19:19 PM |
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mierze6140
Middletown, CT
33, joined Mar. 2008
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The guy never said the timing belt broke. Just that it needed it. But my guess is the op is long gone and we'll never know.
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5/27/2014 7:45:42 PM |
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vernonsky
Index, WA
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Bent valves 2000.00. Rusted brakes, 500.00
2000$ is what it would cost if you are completely retarded and took your car into a shop in the Hamptons maybe. Here in America people can pull a head them self and knock that out for the price of a head set gasket kit and a set of used valves from a junkyard. Lets keep in mind he did say it was a 700$ car so lets be realistic here.
And why would you say the car could have rusted brakes? That's a complete shot in the dark considering he never mentioned any information that would draw such a conclusion. Hell in that case the car could be missing the rims and steering wheel!
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5/27/2014 9:15:30 PM |
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Used valves. Would you reuse the aged retainers and cups too? How about the torque to yeild bolts?
If the guy has no automotive background. Such as the OP. Why would he dare take it on?
Never mind that reusing worn down items can put you right back in a bad situation.
REAL shops can do a air leak down test to see which cylinders are not sealed when the valves are closed. Or barring that do a quick turn on a lathe to check rhe stems to be true.
As for the gentleman mentioning rusted brakes. If the car hasnt ran in a while and its on a coast. Things tend to rust up pretty quick. Pads can seize in the guides. Rotors can build up rust pretty bad at the ends and in the cooling fins. The biggest question is how long has it sat. Or has it been used.
Sadly though the op never came back to give anyone additional information. But a quality tech would inspect and confirm the issues and move from there. Generally only using junkyard parts if new arent available.
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5/27/2014 10:30:32 PM |
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mierze6140
Middletown, CT
33, joined Mar. 2008
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I believe Irving was the first to say rusted brakes. I agreed because every Millennia I've ever touched had a blown or likely to blow brake line. Usually several.
And I can't think of any logical reason to use junkyard valves. Between the purchase and cost and time to recondition them, you could just buy a reman head.
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5/28/2014 9:03:36 PM |
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vernonsky
Index, WA
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Actually i would re-use all the parts because i would never drop triple the value of what a vehicles worth into a job that barely offers a return. I would assume you would be the guy that buys a 700$ car, drops 2,000$ into it and then sells it for 1,000$ shortly after. Secondly the odds of having to recondition valves that are pulled from a good running motor are slim; its not like i said go buy rusted valves that are sitting outside in the rain. You are aware the junkyard has engines with low mileage that have nothing wrong with them other then a twisted frame or other unrelated issues that has nothing to do with the motor right?
I'm not a certified mechanic by any means and i have successfully completed two head gasket jobs on a couple of my cars in the last few months. If a head bolt doesn't snap or twist the second use then its not going to be a problem and if you wiggle a rocker arm after you torque it down and it doesn't have slop its most likely fine. Its not rocket science and anyone that has the internet can probably figure it out with little difficulty. A good mechanic is not a automotive surgeon they are just a gear head/wrench turner that has done the job at hand a billion times. The hardest part of working on a car is the time involved with taking shit apart and really has nothing to do with having an abundance of knowledge; hence why most mechanics are high school graduates at best.
Now about the brakes, sure a car that's on the coast are prone to rust but then again most cars on the coast get undercoated. Its not hard to stick your head under the vehicle and chase a steel line and give it a quick inspection. Same goes for the rotors, calibers and pads; it doesn't take a genius to look through the rims and identify rust, warn down pads or rotors that are as smooth as a textured wall. I blew out a rear brake line on my Pontiac Sunfire right after a bought it and with no experience with brakes i went to Oreilly's and bought a 60 inch piece of steel line, a double flaring kit, a cheap a** pipe bender and a handful of banjo nuts and bolts and had the rusted line fixed in an hour for about 45$.
Moral of the story is unless you are working on a foreign car with a hanes manual written in german you can probably pull it off. If you think otherwise that's probably just your ego or lack of education prohibiting you from thinking clearly.
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5/28/2014 9:53:24 PM |
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ball_buster1999
Blissfield, MI
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Actually i would re-use all the parts because i would never drop triple the value of what a vehicles worth into a job that barely offers a return. I would assume you would be the guy that buys a 700$ car, drops 2,000$ into it and then sells it for 1,000$ shortly after. Secondly the odds of having to recondition valves that are pulled from a good running motor are slim; its not like i said go buy rusted valves that are sitting outside in the rain. You are aware the junkyard has engines with low mileage that have nothing wrong with them other then a twisted frame or other unrelated issues that has nothing to do with the motor right?
I'm not a certified mechanic by any means and i have successfully completed two head gasket jobs on a couple of my cars in the last few months. If a head bolt doesn't snap or twist the second use then its not going to be a problem and if you wiggle a rocker arm after you torque it down and it doesn't have slop its most likely fine. Its not rocket science and anyone that has the internet can probably figure it out with little difficulty. A good mechanic is not a automotive surgeon they are just a gear head/wrench turner that has done the job at hand a billion times. The hardest part of working on a car is the time involved with taking shit apart and really has nothing to do with having an abundance of knowledge; hence why most mechanics are high school graduates at best.
Now about the brakes, sure a car that's on the coast are prone to rust but then again most cars on the coast get undercoated. Its not hard to stick your head under the vehicle and chase a steel line and give it a quick inspection. Same goes for the rotors, calibers and pads; it doesn't take a genius to look through the rims and identify rust, warn down pads or rotors that are as smooth as a textured wall. I blew out a rear brake line on my Pontiac Sunfire right after a bought it and with no experience with brakes i went to Oreilly's and bought a 60 inch piece of steel line, a double flaring kit, a cheap a** pipe bender and a handful of banjo nuts and bolts and had the rusted line fixed in an hour for about 45$.
Moral of the story is unless you are working on a foreign car with a hanes manual written in german you can probably pull it off. If you think otherwise that's probably just your ego or lack of education prohibiting you from thinking clearly.
. Certified mechanics usually do not want to risk using "seasoned" parts because they want repeat customers and when your shit breaks shortly after leaving the shop, you look like a jackass. New parts have warranties, and will reimburse labor cost if failure occurs within warranty.
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5/28/2014 9:56:59 PM |
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mierze6140
Middletown, CT
33, joined Mar. 2008
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Actually I'm the guy that buys a $400 vehicle, puts 2-3 thousand into it, and drives the piss out of it worry free because I don't half a** my work. And half assing would include putting junkyard valves in a head they didn't come in. Assuming you could even get junkyard valves, because I don't know any place that would remove a valve set when the entire head is worth much more. There's this annoying little thing called wear patterns. Meaning the valves, guides, seats, and seals each have their own fingerprints so to speak. So when you take a valve with its own wear pattern from one head and stick it in a head with the guides seats and seals that have a different wear pattern, things go south quick. Bad sealing, carbon buildup, metal shavings. Now multiply that by 8 or 16. Bad news. And while you may get away with being a parts changer for a while, sooner or later you'll really hurt someone's ride by taking those chances and not doing things properly. How do I know? I did the same stuff, once upon a time. Only I wasn't so arrogant about it.
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5/29/2014 3:37:48 AM |
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vernonsky
Index, WA
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I'm not advising using junkyard valves and if i was going to do that myself i would have the whole headset pulled and go that route; which would still be pennies on the dollar for what you geniuses are suggesting. I'm simply stating that dumping 2,000$ into a beater is f**king retarded just so you can score a warranty. I trust my own work and don't need to have a shop fix my shit for an outrageous price on a car that's not even close to being worth it.
Oh and did i mention the part about how this is not even relevant to the initial posters question considering the guy that said valves could be bent from a broken timing belt obviously doesn't know what hes talking about. The 2.3 & 2.5 liter Mazda motors they put in those rigs are non interference engines (Pistons won't hit the valves).
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5/29/2014 3:40:59 AM |
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vernonsky
Index, WA
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I'm not trying to be rude i'm simply stating the advise is not only inaccurate its not helpful really at all. It probably gave out the opposite reaction and scared the guy from buying the car.
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5/29/2014 7:14:45 AM |
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1irving
Ruskin, FL
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2000$ is what it would cost if you are completely retarded and took your car into a shop in the Hamptons maybe. Here in America people can pull a head them self and knock that out for the price of a head set gasket kit and a set of used valves from a junkyard. Lets keep in mind he did say it was a 700$ car so lets be realistic here.
And why would you say the car could have rusted brakes? That's a complete shot in the dark considering he never mentioned any information that would draw such a conclusion. Hell in that case the car could be missing the rims and steering wheel!
Listen PUNK. Average shop time is 100/hr. A PUNK working for two weeks in his back yard may be a little cheaper. It' books at 11 hours. Timing belt/water pump kit is about 200.00. Head gasket and intake/exhaust gaskets (if needed) 170.00. The head bolts are "torque to yield", 90 bucks for a set. Recharging the A/C 80.00. That engine may have 8 exhaust valves, 40 each. Fluids another 50. That's 1851.00 with tax,without a tow.
The POS has been sitting in someone's driveway, probably for a couple of months. Look up "Caliper slides". The previous owner did not perform the most important maintenance item on that car, what else didn't he do?
When you grow up, and have stopped breaking bolts, have at least 4 ASE certificates, I may read your resume before I through it in the garbage. Moron punk.
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5/29/2014 7:17:12 AM |
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1irving
Ruskin, FL
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I'm not trying to be rude i'm simply stating the advise is not only inaccurate its not helpful really at all. It probably gave out the opposite reaction and scared the guy from buying the car.
You are a rude moron punk, although those engines are referred to as "non interference", If the belt breaks at highway speed, it will bend exhaust valves.
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5/29/2014 10:10:08 AM |
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Listen PUNK. Average shop time is 100/hr. A PUNK working for two weeks in his back yard may be a little cheaper. It' books at 11 hours. Timing belt/water pump kit is about 200.00. Head gasket and intake/exhaust gaskets (if needed) 170.00. The head bolts are "torque to yield", 90 bucks for a set. Recharging the A/C 80.00. That engine may have 8 exhaust valves, 40 each. Fluids another 50. That's 1851.00 with tax,without a tow.
The POS has been sitting in someone's driveway, probably for a couple of months. Look up "Caliper slides". The previous owner did not perform the most important maintenance item on that car, what else didn't he do?
When you grow up, and have stopped breaking bolts, have at least 4 ASE certificates, I may read your resume before I through it in the garbage. Moron punk.
But remember we are rip off artists in this instance!
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5/29/2014 1:12:00 PM |
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vernonsky
Index, WA
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Mazda has 100k timing belts anyways, i bet the thing is still intact anyways have dumb dyke f*ggot.
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5/29/2014 1:25:52 PM |
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vernonsky
Index, WA
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Nice to know though if you're doing like 50 mph + and the timing belt snaps you can bend the exhaust valves; i'm sure you have definitive reasoning to believe that could have occurred.
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5/29/2014 1:57:42 PM |
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mierze6140
Middletown, CT
33, joined Mar. 2008
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Who the hell wants a Mazda Millennia anyway, right?
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5/29/2014 2:59:46 PM |
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1irving
Ruskin, FL
56, joined Mar. 2013
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Who wants to listen to a punk f*got from Washington state that believes Obama is a good dude and just moved up from a Big Wheel.
How long have you owned your own shop punk?
How many years have your been an ASE master?
When did you get your L1 certification?
How many dealers have you worked for in the past 20 year?
Do you use Auto Zone for parts?
D*ck head b*tch, I remember when I used to know everything, Now,I know I'm only an average wrench, but I've worked on so much junk, you will have to live till 200 to back yard your experience to match mine.
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5/29/2014 5:55:26 PM |
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vernonsky
Index, WA
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LOL you make me laugh gramps; like i give a shit what the president is doing, this country is in a world of hurt and i would rather move to Canada then support the terrible decisions our leaders make.
Apparently your 20 years experience and stack of certs hasn't benefited you much, maybe back when cars had a hand crank starter and a one cylinder block you might of had a clue but i think you have lost your touch ever since the fuel injector was invented.
And yes, every time i feel i want to buy the wrong parts for a car and make 9 trips i head on down to Auto Zone and they hook me up. I'll also have you know i bought a head gasket kit for a 99 Monte Carlo 3.8 off ebay for 45$ and slapped that puppy in and 2 years later i still see that shit pile rolling around town. That must make you cringe doesn't it?
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5/30/2014 10:35:34 AM |
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1irving
Ruskin, FL
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A broken clock is correct twice a day.
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7/30/2014 9:37:34 AM |
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fordgirl1995
Phoenix, AZ
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I have a Ford f150 needs oil pan Gasket replaced can anyone help me out ?????thanks , Fordgirl
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12/16/2014 10:22:52 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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That should be easy fix in Arizona fordgirl...but you may wanna steer clear of owning a ford..
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