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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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jrbogie.It isnt "broke" that's just simplistic.But the deluge of new veterans pouring into the system has to be considered.How can the VA take care of over 5 million vets from WWII, Korea, Vietnam Grenada,Panama, Beirut, Storm OIF and OEF and provide quality health care for everybody? Get your head out of your mess kit brother! Vets died in Phoenix and likely elsewhere because of bureaucrats--NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. The actual medical side of VA is top shelf , but the government side is wrong.Its not working.It may be working for you but at Phoenix alone 23 vets died awaiting care..if you want to blame Shinseki that's fine, but if you want to fix this problem then demand Congress to fund the VA at levels that account for the result of unpaid wars and the tragic results of these incredibly numbers of wounded and disabled warriors they sent into harms way! Dont be a smart ass.
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| 5/31/2014 2:51:33 PM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009
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don't want to blame anybody, don't want to fix what ain't broke. like bein' a smart ass. 
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gdaddy47
Columbia, TN
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It's a natural fact the gubment can't fix sh!t. It would only stink worse.
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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It is broke jrbogie.If you dont think so ask the families of the 42 dead vets in Arizona who died waiting for care!
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joe_grappler
Larimore, ND
44, joined Apr. 2011
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I don't know how much blame to pin on Shinseki. The VA is fat, bloated and inefficiant... Like all goverment programs. But despite the reports that the VA in Arizona was a total shit show, I'm not ready to condemn the whole thing. I thought I was treated decently by the Reno VA hospital. I don't know if Shinseki was incompetant, asleep at the wheel, or maybe doing a good job, but there were some administrators who were corrupt and very good at covering their tracks.
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009
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It is broke jrbogie.If you dont think so ask the families of the 42 dead vets in Arizona who died waiting for care!
you talked to those families?  damn, and here everything i KNOW on the subject i had to get from cnn. 
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| 6/1/2014 5:38:33 PM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
70, joined Sep. 2013
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consider your sources smart guy.
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newlady2
Goldsboro, NC
78, joined Apr. 2008
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uh oh on this I will hush.. *s
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| 6/8/2014 8:40:30 AM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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Dead men tell no lies jrgogie.
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| 6/8/2014 5:31:03 PM |
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peachy1954
Sacramento, CA
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Personally I think this guy was a scapegoat for a system that has been screwed for years. What I have read on him he was an exemplary serviceman and it is a shame. The person's responsible were up and down the chain of command. Unfortunately most of them have immunity. I think it is a lot of political grandstanding, media whatever, but a system failure that should come down on a lot of people.
Until people can sue the government for breech of contract I don't see how it can be fixed. I am tired of excuses and doubt I am the only one.
Could he or should he have gone to the Commander in Chief and kept screaming until things were fixed so lives were not lost on his watch I don't know. What I do know when told things they don't want to address the system turns a deaf ear. If a soldier regardless of his rank goes outside of the system they brand them a nut case or worse a traitor.
PTSD is a good example of over worked claims but so are diabetes and cancer and a bunch of other health issues. It bugs the crap out of me when I hear of someone claiming PTSD when it clearly does not apply as a service connected condition but we do have to decide are we going to say we are responsible for service members welfare, including their mental health, only selectively, or across the board for physical and mental. I doubt the later is possible.
Even Vet's have to take responsibility for going to their elected officials when service delivery fails. With so many people available to get and advocate who will walk a Vet through snafu's getting peeved and walking away , sadly sometimes, to die is a shared failure. Somewhere you have to put your grown up pants on and deal with your own life.
I have a real problem given the number of Vet's, and their families, and supporters that I hope all American's would be, that they have not insisted on a better system. There is definitely the political clout; even with the reduced numbers of the population that actually serve, to raise hell and get this fixed. It is possible. We have done more complicated things.
Does bug me that for decades I have seen VA staff doing more, with less, and zero appreciation, antiquated systems, obscene amount of waste/fraud, and yes unfair blame that I wonder if it should not be abandoned just out of mercy.
What I am convinced of is third party care is going to increase the cost and make it even easier to hide the failures, or out right refusal to give costly care, so that bothers me; A LOT.
I am not going to argue what constitutes a covered injury/condition because that costs way too much time here. I have said for years if you can't prove and injury or condition before discharge (with a Jag lawyer or at least a Protection and Advocacy Lawyer every person with a disability is entitled to), which a Vet should be able to put on hold until a conclusion is determined, then it is a civilian condition.
Also if that demands greatly improved induction and discharge evaluations then I am for spending that effort/money. I have said for four decades the induction process is grossly flawed and cost lives and billions in wasted training dollars. NOT everyone is fit for military service.
I believe in the fair treatment of Professional service members with a problem but if you are a problem service member and most clearly know the difference then tough.
If someone is iffy then put them on medical hold and make them do whatever support jobs they can or be actively working towards remediation weather that is treatment or , and I think this is a major reason so many younger vets are trying to claim partial disability's is the absence of trust of the services AND this is the real biggie marketable job skills. A soldier wants to claim VA education benefits then keep them in the barracks, and make rehab/retraining their "mission" with all the accountable structure of command. Then I think younger veteran Homelessness would go down and keeping veterans out of chronic poverty would be greatly reduced. If you can't convince the Chain of command that a training is going to result in a job then some of these phony schools would get their free rides cancelled. Too if they decide to have a forget that attitude and want to "jump ship" so sorry Charlie" you are on your own.
The only exception would be those who can prove their later disability is service connected with a private attorney. That is a tough standard. But if the law was changed I assure you contingency lawyers would be lining up to represent people as individuals or class action's. As they are in other high risk "occupations".
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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For once peachy we agree!
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| 6/9/2014 9:31:35 AM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
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consider your sources smart guy.
i have and they suck, which was my sarcastic point. your sources?
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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Well jrbogie I usually rely on the screed on the sh*thouse walls at our local truckstop to get all my info
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| 6/9/2014 10:02:09 AM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009
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yep, from there i learned that 'he who writes on shit house walls, rolls his shit in little balls. he who reads these words of wit, eats those little balls of shit.' 
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| 6/9/2014 1:38:12 PM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
70, joined Sep. 2013
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Very good! Evidently you read the same stuff!
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newlady2
Goldsboro, NC
78, joined Apr. 2008
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LOL YU two are a fine ruddy pair... *L But luv your posts anyway .. *L
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abninf
Euless, TX
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I never liked Shinseki. He's the guy who decided to take the black berets away from the Rangers and give it to the whole army so that everyone would feel "elite". The first day it went into effect was funny, the legs didn't how to wear a beret and they were told to not shave them or take the liners out. They looked ridiculous. Still do, actually.
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| 6/10/2014 7:39:16 AM |
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bier95
Clara City, MN
66, joined May. 2011
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Complaints about the VA.
I have said before I have no complaints with My VA in MN.
ON the study just released on VA's in the US, this is what is the paper this morning.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/262412261.html
The average wait time for a patient seeking primary care for the first time is 28 days at the Minneapolis VA Medical Center and its outpatient clinics and 25 days for the St. Cloud system, the data show. But the waits are much shorter for established patients who are already in the VA system — three days for Minneapolis and two days for St. Cloud.
I am with the St.Cloud VA
Its more of a state by state problem not all VA's
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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I gotta agree with abninf on the berets.Patrol caps keep the sun and rain out of your eyes and I never understood the change.I was airborne but never wore a beret.In my day it was green or black and if you saw one it meant something.
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