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6/8/2014 5:03:31 AM |
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rookjenny
Bean Station, TN
48, joined May. 2012
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Since i'm a strong Ford guy,my research shows the 347 stroker as a highly sought after engine,but after more research,i'd rather have a stroked 351w myself,stroked as high as a 408.
Oh,i know strokers come with a load of mathematics,and i know a small block powerhouse can be built without the expensive aftermarket aluminum heads,but what would you do if you really wanted one,that you personally built yourself?
What options would you use to save all you can in building a small block stroker with up to 450hp?
Personally,grinding some,i don't mind,but the not to the extent of notching.
I may go with the 400M crank,with 360 chrysler rods,2.2 GM valves,if i do a 351w stroker,but i'm open to cheaper,good stroker building options.
This thread however,is not just about my wanting to build a strokers,give your take on strokers,likes,dislikes,experiences with strokers,or whatever.
Ok,personally,i know we don't need strokers to get over 400hp,with all the new high tech engines,but i like old school,and a challenge,and i also like carbs.
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6/8/2014 3:55:34 PM |
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karrpilot
Oswego, IL
53, joined Jul. 2009
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I think it boils down to fitment issues, and just how much power you want the engine to make. Along with how big your wallet is.
The 347 is based upon the 302. Which is smaller and will fit easier than the 408, which is based upon the 351. Also, I have heard of the 347, with a stock 302 block, cracking if too much power is added. So perhaps a racing, aftermarket, 4 bolt block 302 would be the answer there?
A good friend of mine built a 351 / 408, added a turbocharger, and stuffed it into a 1993 Mustang convertible. That car was wickedly fast, and could get sideways on him if he wasn't careful.
He had to do some major modifications to make it all come together. The 347 would have been easier, but he wanted to go bigger.
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6/8/2014 6:51:58 PM |
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dead_end
Greenville, SC
32, joined Feb. 2014
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351w blocks are cheap nowadays and a 383/408 stroker would be tits in a Fox platform car.
You can build a 302 based stroker to break 400rwhp but it will cost you. The new fad in that series of stroker kits is the 363. Google it and take a look at the pros/cons of the build.
I debated stroking the 302 in my car for a good while before finally deciding to turbo it instead.
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6/9/2014 11:14:16 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
66, joined Nov. 2007
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I've been into mopars for many years and we have done some pretty crazy stuff to build power without spending the bank to get it done.While most of the V-8 engines that rolled off of the Mopar assembly lines in the late 1960s and early 1970s exuded power and performance, many hot rodders and muscle car enthusiasts were not satisfied with "stock" performance in any way. Many found that swapping out the OEM crankshaft in a big-block with the crankshaft from a low-deck 440 could increase the stroke of the engine, and thereby increase the operable displacement of the cylinders. This simple swap, combined with a few other modifications, turns a ho-hum Mopar 400 into a 451-cubic-inch, high-torque monster engine.I know several guys that have done the same basic things to Fords and Chevys with some very good results.
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6/9/2014 5:23:53 PM |
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mrdsljim
Strykersville, NY
55, joined May. 2014
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There's no replacement for displcement.
Or the parts built to handle that displacement, buy the biggest motor you can find, car flips over ackwards when you put it to the floor? Try putting it down only 3/4s next time!
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6/9/2014 11:03:24 PM |
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rookjenny
Bean Station, TN
48, joined May. 2012
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Some good posts here everybody,and thanks ya'll.
I want to comment on the post by karpilot by saying i want a similar windsor like he mentioned.
I don't care about racing personally,as i did too many crazy things in cars growing up,running over 100 mph,only to find a tie rod shortly after ready to fall off,and i had a plymouth sattelite with broken motor mounts,and if you punched it,at times,the motor would lean to the right,and hang the throttle,so i nearly went through a store in it one day,so nowadays,an occasional fish tail,an a quick 0 to 80 is fast enough for me.
For the most part,i want a bad Ford boy toy that i built myself,but i also as a quick ride,i want to take care of it.
Make sense?
I knew an old guy that did all his own work on building a pretty bad 350 once,including the slow process of perfectly boring it 30 over with a cylinder hone,instead of sending it for computerized machining,and he did everything himself.
Of course,we don't really have that much patience these days,so a machine shop will do my boring,porting and such.
I like the 68 through 70 302,and no later than 73 on the 351w,but haven't seen one earlier than 1976 in a while.
I have a 68 model 289,but over time,have determined the 289 makes a better stock motor for 60s mustangs/falcons,than a modern powerhouse build.
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6/11/2014 8:17:29 AM |
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dead_end
Greenville, SC
32, joined Feb. 2014
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Stroking a 351w block out to a 383 or 408 would be perfect for you, I think.
I recommend one of the late-model blocks out of the Econoline van series, personally, and going EFI rather than carb. Just personal preference though.
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6/12/2014 12:37:56 AM |
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ball_buster1999
Blissfield, MI
30, joined Sep. 2012
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Stroking a 351w block out to a 383 or 408 would be perfect for you, I think.
I recommend one of the late-model blocks out of the Econoline van series, personally, and going EFI rather than carb. Just personal preference though.
I've built numerous stroker Fords. Just remember, it now has the capacity to move massive air. Make sure your heads, intake, cam, and exhaust setup are sufficient, other wise its a waste.
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6/12/2014 6:08:16 AM |
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dead_end
Greenville, SC
32, joined Feb. 2014
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Oh for sure. Like the saying goes for building a 347 or the like...302 parts make 302 power.
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6/13/2014 4:59:34 AM |
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marriedncheatin
Twin Falls, ID
50, joined Jul. 2012
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For the money id go with a crate motor thru summit racing..its the cheap way to go all the way aroundits key key so why bother
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6/13/2014 7:00:18 PM |
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luv2bwithu2
Garden City, ID
62, joined Aug. 2008
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Well, Being a Chevy BB Man, I opted for a 572 ci Stroked 454 myself for my '59 El Camino, went with 5-spd. Doug Nash Tranny, and a 'Vette IRS....
Anyways, as for Your FORD situation, here's a Link that May help you a lot in making a Decision: http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/main.asp#smb
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6/14/2014 2:36:02 AM |
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rookjenny
Bean Station, TN
48, joined May. 2012
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I think i may look into a few crate options,and as far as doing my own build,i have a friend who was into drag strip type racing for years,and maybe he can help get the right parts,and help with the mathematics of the build.
Or maybe not,since he's a die hard GM guy,but he has built so awsome 289s for drag racing for a guy,and a bad 302 for me,but the c4 that went with the 302 went in no time,that he also built,so i built over myself,then he asked me to do his c4 Fords for him.
Whether you're a Ford or Chevy guy,we seem to have some people in here with good Ford knowledge,and i appreciate all the suggestions and input.
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