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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Mopar does it again.This thing will be a double blast to drive."Get In Shut Up And Hang On".
Semper Fi !!!
It’s been a huge car industry secret for most of 2014: how much power will the new supercharged 6.2-liter “Hellcat” V-8 in the 2015 Challenger SRT produce? Today, Dodge reveled the answer: 707 hp.
That’s, um, a lot. The massive engine also makes some serious torque, to the tune of 650 lb-ft, which is enough to turn its massive rear tires into pools of molten rubber faster than you can say “bad kitty!” According to Dodge, this makes the Challenger Hellcat the most powerful Challenger ever, Dodge's most powerful V-8 ever, and the most powerful muscle car ever. (So you don’t have to look it up, Ford’s previous-generation lighter, smaller Mustang GT500 currently boasts a huge 662 hp and 631 lb-ft of torque, while the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 makes a comparatively wimpy 580 hp and 580 lb-ft of torque. Yep, they’ve been served.)
Gotta make sure you have the right key, however. The Hellcat engine comes standard with two key fobs, red and black. You’ll want the red one, as it is the only one that unlocks the full 707 hp and torque; the black key fob limits the engine’s output to “just” 500 hp. The mean kitty’s partner in crime is a new eight-speed automatic transmission with manual shift control, of course. A full raft of hero-making track apps also comes as part of the SRT Hellcat package.
The engine debuts later this year in the 2015 Challenger, which dons mildly refreshed headlamp, grille, and taillamp designs and as well as an all-new interior, which Dodge says is inspired by the classic 1971 Challenger. Watch this space for our first drive of the Hellcat and the rest of the refreshed Challenger litter in coming weeks
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mrteddybear68
West Islip, NY
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And I'm sure it is going to twist the hell out of the chassis eventually. Hope they reinforced that.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Yes everyone is making a big deal out of this. 800 pounds heavier than the gt500. To make 47 more horsepower. Is it oing to have launch control. Is it all wheel drive. If not, i could care less about it. It wont grab. Remember spinning aint winning. Though it still took how many years of getting beat to make something to match up?
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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I'd like to have more info about this thing.They are just letting out bits and piceses.Mopar has been doing this stuff for a long time,I'm sure the will have all the bases covered.
Semper Fi !!!
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Im not saying that im not interested in hearing the total numbers. But just where do they think that this is going to be at on price point. Great it has power but if its anywhere near 80k. Can you justify that?
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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I don't think they have a set price for it as yet but I've been hearing around 75K,for sure out of my price range like the Viper.
As soon as I get some more information I will be glad to share it here.
Semper Fi !!!
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dodge_ram_it04
Lewis Center, OH
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I can't wait to test out this bad boy!
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karrpilot
Oswego, IL
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Test it? No dealership is going to let you do that without some sort of a down payment.
Like, making their mortgage payments instead of your own. And for how long?
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dodge_ram_it04
Lewis Center, OH
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Test it? No dealership is going to let you do that without some sort of a down payment.
Like, making their mortgage payments instead of your own. And for how long?
Hey bud, I'm a part of a close mopar family. One of which owns a Dodge, Chrysler, jeep, ram, SRT dealership. My father is also head detailer and care taker of such autos like, the vipers, SRT 10s (ram), and even a few prowlers. I have already been asked to take the new Challey to a few local shows/races for PR.
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ball_buster1999
Blissfield, MI
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Hey bud, I'm a part of a close mopar family. One of which owns a Dodge, Chrysler, jeep, ram, SRT dealership. My father is also head detailer and care taker of such autos like, the vipers, SRT 10s (ram), and even a few prowlers. I have already been asked to take the new Challey to a few local shows/races for PR.
It's ok. Some guy in a Termi-swapped Fox will hand you your a** on the way there. Such a waste of a beautiful name. Don't blow the rear end out trying to pull hole-shots.
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
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im so tired of the challenger.
it was exciting when it first debuted,but its really an over rated"lets run the same body style in the ground for 5 more years",redicilously heavy,and just dying to be on the cover of "road and track"with the mustang,camaro,and corvette line up.
truth is....you NEED that much horsepower just to get that fat beast to give it a little bit of bragging rights.,but I still don't think it will be the king of the hill.
sure,it has monsterous torque,but it'll need it to get that fat thing off the line.
im not crazy about the cosmetics on the rear end of the new ZR1 vette,but we're talking performance here,right?
the new vette will kill that challenger,and it cant even stand close to the vigorous tests that the ZR1 was put through.
the only car that they gave admiration to,and was astounded by,was the new GT500 mustang.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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See and that right there os exactly why they shouldnt have made a big deal out of all of this. The pony car wars were over and won by ford. Chevy tried. And failed with the camaro. It took them 5 years to get somethig close to the shelby. The vette is more on the supercar platform by price and style aince it is only a 2 seater.
The hellcat isnt likely to be a regular eun production car. 5 to 10k units at best. Saying sales hold it up there. All the memes on facebook still point out that it may get 707. But the lingenfelter vettes and the shelby 1000s are going to eat the thing alive.
And i wont dog on you here dodge_ but production wwont be out for another month. And most people that do the pr runs arent supposed to let out about who has access to the cars. Kind of defeats the purpose.
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
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what ticks me off,and at the same time I find hilarious is this:
when emissions became an issue back in the 70's...
ford didn't just give up and abandon their mustangs,nor did chevy with the vette,or the Camaro's.
Pontiac still stayed in the game too.
sure,all these cars were sluggish and not what they used to be....but they never left the basketball court.
Chrysler was the king of muscle,and dominated race tracks,and then....they gave the middle finger to their admirers,and their walked off the court.
years go by,and you see ford developing GT's,saleens,cobra's,roush's n so on.
chevy with their iroq's and eventually the ZR1.
heck,even BUICK shocked everyone with the grand national.
PONTIAC had the limited firehawk,and the badass WS6 beast.
its kinda like a bunch of boys growing up on the same block,and they continued playing together through the years,when one decided to leave.
he then returns home later n says "hey guys,remember me? my name is VIPER.
for Chrysler to finally get back into the game,and disappoint the average working man by making something no one can afford,was a joke to me.
the VIPER that has come out in the last 2 years is supposedly their best to date,but its also has come with mixed reviews.
all the sudden,they come back with the CHALLENGER,and put it in mass production,and we're all supposed to drop our jaws in amazement?
to me,its like the little kid that is trying to keep up with the gang,but keeps dragging behind
for as long as mopar has been out of the game,and not producing something in mass production like ford,chevy&pontiac have done....theyre just memories to me.
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21stcent
South Prairie, WA
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@ fastpony: 
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foxxxbody
Elizabethtown, KY
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Not a dodge fan, but the hemi is a bad mofo with minimal work. But the weak irs is their down fall.
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dodge_ram_it04
Lewis Center, OH
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It's ok. Some guy in a Termi-swapped Fox will hand you your a** on the way there. Such a waste of a beautiful name. Don't blow the rear end out trying to pull hole-shots.
STFU tool!
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ball_buster1999
Blissfield, MI
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STFU tool!
Lol. Nice one, smart guy.
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edderm
Orland Park, IL
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It's ok. Some guy in a Termi-swapped Fox will hand you your a** on the way there. Such a waste of a beautiful name. Don't blow the rear end out trying to pull hole-shots.
What's a "termi" swapped fox gonna do besides get smoked?
Termis got what....390 horsepower? Maybe a little more being underated?
It would be lunch for a Hellcat!
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
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the new report is out,and they test drove it.
it declaring to officially be the fastest musclecar ever built.
lets say its true.
i'll bet it aint worth a crap on an obstacle course,and for the money they're probably asking,i wouldn't have it,just because it has a good lap time on a dragstrip.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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What's a "termi" swapped fox gonna do besides get smoked?
Termis got what....390 horsepower? Maybe a little more being underated?
It would be lunch for a Hellcat!
Three things ill point out in your statement.
390 was the reported power. For a unmolested 03/04 terminator powerplant. Which if a swap is done. No one leaves it stock. And those engines can hit 500 in a heartbeat. On just basic boltons.
Second thing, weight. Over a thousand pounds heavier than a foxbody. Which the power to weight ratio becomes important. After all who cares if you have 5 hp or 5000. If it cant move the car right and hook its worthless. Saying a person has the fox, and is pushing 500hp. Thats a ratio of 6.2 to 1. The hellcat makes 5.79 to 1. Saying its weight is only 4100 pounds.
Third thing. And this becomes the biggest point to the whole contest. Price point. You can say it will destroy all the muscle cars. And it might. But that swapped car is more feasible than a hellcat. Dodge has been notorious forever about the cost of cars. You cant get into them cheap. Ever. Unless used or used up.
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edderm
Orland Park, IL
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Three things ill point out in your statement.
390 was the reported power. For a unmolested 03/04 terminator powerplant. Which if a swap is done. No one leaves it stock. And those engines can hit 500 in a heartbeat. On just basic boltons.
Second thing, weight. Over a thousand pounds heavier than a foxbody. Which the power to weight ratio becomes important. After all who cares if you have 5 hp or 5000. If it cant move the car right and hook its worthless. Saying a person has the fox, and is pushing 500hp. Thats a ratio of 6.2 to 1. The hellcat makes 5.79 to 1. Saying its weight is only 4100 pounds.
Third thing. And this becomes the biggest point to the whole contest. Price point. You can say it will destroy all the muscle cars. And it might. But that swapped car is more feasible than a hellcat. Dodge has been notorious forever about the cost of cars. You cant get into them cheap. Ever. Unless used or used up.
First off stick termis don't have 500 horsepower.
2nd a termi motor will actually add weight to a fox mustang.
3rd the hellcat although a tank has a 300 horsepower advantage.
You want to talk price point? You can do a motor swap on a civic and do this and that and that and that to it and KILL a 13-14 GT500. Dumb argument right? Ni difference than yours.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Did i disagree with what a stock plant makes? No.
And really, you stick to the horsepower debate. Spinning still isnt winning.
I kept my statement to the facts. A rwd car with a transplant vs a f**king tank of a rwd. The challenger is the fat chick. Fun to ride in. Not to own. All the talk is likely to die when they announce a viper like price tag.
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
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exactly.
what good is the damn thing,if its just more "you cant afford this"crap in our face?
I WILL say this and end my argument this way....
the Viper did fairly decent in all the tests it was put through.
with basicly the same price on the new challenger(im predicting it to be a little steeper,actually),one can only hope it performs just as well too.
if not,you're better off just buying the Vipe.
im not sure what the weight difference is between the two though
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edderm
Orland Park, IL
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Did i disagree with what a stock plant makes? No.
And really, you stick to the horsepower debate. Spinning still isnt winning.
I kept my statement to the facts. A rwd car with a transplant vs a f**king tank of a rwd. The challenger is the fat chick. Fun to ride in. Not to own. All the talk is likely to die when they announce a viper like price tag.
Spinning aint winning? I will bet the farm the hellcat will hook up better than a fox with the same horsepower or even a fox with 500 horsepower. The weight, wheelbase and better suspension will help it tremendously.
Fox mustangs get garbage traction with a measly 225 horsepower let alone 500.
But the hellcat is a competitor to the ZL1 and GT500 and will beat both on a drag strip for similar price tag.
I actually hate dodge and ALL their cars, but im not blinded by brand loyalty to know this car is the king of muscle cars as of right now.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Dodge released the price for the hellcat. With most ofthe bells and whistles its msrp is 59k. But after dealer mark up to account for rarity and demand. Probably more like 65k. Which isnt that bad. But we will see if this car is plagued with problems
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
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to me,dodge is just a carmaker that's been struggling to make it back on top,and reclaim their fame back to their legendary status from the 60's,and they always fall short....or a little too late to competition that's ahead of them.
kinda like the football team that keeps falling short of making the Superbowl.
honestly,im surprised they're still in business,but then again....
theyre cashing in on their Chrysler 300 and 4 door charger wanna be gangster cars,until they run THOSE into the ground
not to mention,guys who are convinced they bought a real truck,but its just a box with a pretty grill.
somewhere along the years,they went down the wussy road,when all the others stayed on course.
I don't know if its a joke,or desperation,but....they continue making a 4 door charger,and not even TRYING to come back with a 2 door one.
you don't take a legendary car like a Cuda",and contemplate slapping a dodge badge on it,seriously???
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luckylouie42
Cedar Grove, WV
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what is the fastest 1/4 mile speed and time for the helcat ?
back in the 60's dodge and Plymouth bragged about the 440 magnum, but at the local drag strips, the 396 chevelles and 396 Camaro's usually burnt their ass.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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11.2 on street tires
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stargazzer
Creighton, NE
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I easy could be wrong but I think the factory boys were paying big attenchen to the car show that had a contest if money was not a factor you could take a Cuda or the like and compeate with the big raceing forign cars at 200 mph and more.
I saw the show and they came close I have a hunch this car stems from that show ?
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Official specs are out. Car and driver weighed the car in. 4449 pounds. And the best on asphault in the quarter was 11.7.
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Apples to apples ??I don't think so!!
Firstly, the last part of the last sentence...what a LOAD BS. This writer first says how insignificant 5 hp is when it's added to the Viper, but now because the Z06 has an extra 5 hp on top of the former's new number, it's all of a sudden going to get "whupped"?? HA. What a joke.
Secondly, why not mention power-to-weight? The Viper may be 62 hp down on the Hellcat, but the former weighs a whopping 1500 lbs less! While we're on the subject of the Viper and Hellcat, how are these two even comparable? One is a full-on muscle car, and the other is a (relatively) light-weight, balanced, track-focused super car. It's an apples/oranges scenario.
Thirdly, there's no such thing anymore as a "Dodge Viper". It's an SRT Viper as SRT is now it's own make, like Ram is. Wouldn't/shouldn't an automotive journalist know this??
Is this what auto journalism has become? From several past articles I've read, it's becoming more and more clear that no one does their homework anymore. That these "journalists" are just there for a paycheck and nothing more.
Semper Fi !!!
It's no secret that the Dodge Viper isn't exactly selling like gangbusters. Chrysler has even had to halt production on the car in order to keep existing stock moving along. Still, there's a new model year on the horizon, and it will see some changes in the Viper. No, the Viper won't be getting the 707-horsepower 6.2-liter V-8 from the new Dodge Challenger Hellcat. It will continue on with the familiar 8.4-liter V-10.
Well, said engine will be a little bit different. It's getting a horsepower bump!
Maybe we shouldn't have used an exclamation point on the end of that last sentence. To be more specific, the Viper is getting a horsepower bump of five, which means it's going from 640 up to 645 hp. Yes, from the same SAE filings that revealed plans for a 707-hp Dodge Charger Hellcat, it’s been revealed that for the 2015 model year the Viper will get a few extra horses under the hood.
That's a bit of a disappointment, seeing as the Hellcat will burst forth with a fairly insane 707 hp. Additionally, the forthcoming Chevrolet Corvette Z06 will have 650 hp. This means that we live in a world where a Viper will be down on power to the Challenger, and will probably be handily whupped by the next Z06. That last thought is purely a guess though, of course.
We do hope Dodge sees an uptick in Viper sales, and perhaps that horsepower push will be enough to catch a few dollars that are looking to find a home at a dealership. We're also looking forward to a refresh that works out how to fit the Hellcat powerplant between the Viper's chassis rails and under the hood, at least its supercharger.
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edderm
Orland Park, IL
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4449 lbs? What a land yacht!
That's SUV territory when it comes to weight.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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4449 lbs? What a land yacht!
That's SUV territory when it comes to weight.
This kind of comes back to my previous statements. Yeah its got power. But not much else.
Power to weight ratio ranking. Worst to best:
Zl1 camaro 7.15 to 1
Hellcat. 6.29 to 1
GT500. 5.74 to 1
C7 z06. 4.85 to 1
The big killer though is that SRT did their testing in a specially setup track o run the quarter. Distance to sea level, ambient temps, hell track surface. Which the real dodge fans are going to ignre and buy the car thinking they can un to the nearest track an run low 11s all day. C&D only managed a 11.7 at best. And that was launching in second. Since first is a laughable attempt without something to control the traction right.
But with all this in mind, the question comes down. Just which is going to be the best bang for the buck?
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edderm
Orland Park, IL
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This kind of comes back to my previous statements. Yeah its got power. But not much else.
Power to weight ratio ranking. Worst to best:
Zl1 camaro 7.15 to 1
Hellcat. 6.29 to 1
GT500. 5.74 to 1
C7 z06. 4.85 to 1
The big killer though is that SRT did their testing in a specially setup track o run the quarter. Distance to sea level, ambient temps, hell track surface. Which the real dodge fans are going to ignre and buy the car thinking they can un to the nearest track an run low 11s all day. C&D only managed a 11.7 at best. And that was launching in second. Since first is a laughable attempt without something to control the traction right.
But with all this in mind, the question comes down. Just which is going to be the best bang for the buck?
If they ran 11.7 launching in second, that's a fast car. A good set of drag radials should knock quite a bit of time from that E/T.
As for horsepower to weight...it doesn't always tell the whole story. It doesn't account for power curves and torque. Some cars have peaky power curves and can lose a race to a car with more of a linear power curve, but less peak horsepower.
It's still too early to tell what it really can do.
I'd like to see it go up against a 13+ GT500 on the drag strip. Should be interesting.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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It ran a 10.83 in texas on drag slicks.
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Although I'm a Drag racer from way back, I'd really like to see this thing on a road course. With the weight and the power it has I think it would do very well.
Your thoughts please.
Semper Fi !!!
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
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well,thats my thoughts exactly. we can speculate and debate/joke all we want to,but...a different point of view with some respect will be given when they start putting out the stats and road course data,when its compared to the fastest Camaro,mustang and so on.
im sure as we speak,road n track" is already doing it,and the report will be out soon.
the facts will be the facts.
what WILL make it worth the 70 grand is if it can perform as well as the others mentioned.
if it cant,you'lle basicly get half a musclecar,because it will only deliver its bragging rights on a dragstrip,or street light racing.
[Edited 7/31/2014 11:30:18 AM ]
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edderm
Orland Park, IL
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It's weight will hurt it on a road course. It's harder to control body roll and stop good, the heavier the car is.
I highly doubt the suspension and weight distribution is good enough to do anything impressive.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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57/43 according to test. And they said it understeered into the corner and over on the way out.
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edderm
Orland Park, IL
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57/43 according to test. And they said it understeered into the corner and over on the way out.
That land yacht is gonna be worthless on anything else other than a dragstrip.
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
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I JUST read that dodge charger has the hellcat package now.
the term "sellouts",are all I can think of now.
they cant keep anything sacred or legendary in a coupe,so they make the charger a bigger laugh now.
ive heard it all now.
let me guess,the chrysler 300 and dodge trucks are next.
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
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Pretty much. Beat the horse thats dying till its finished. They get one glimmer of hope and think its going to beat all. Oh well.
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Here is some updated into on the hellcat power force.
Semper Fi !!!
Chris Cowland, Chrysler’s director of advanced and SRT powertrain, recently came clean with the engineering secrets behind the 707-hp 6.2-liter Hellcat V-8. In case you just stirred from suspended animation, this Dodge Challenger SRT engine is the most potent powerplant ever sold to customers for road use by any American manufacturer.
Revelation 1: While this Hemi is a cousin to 5.7-, 6.1-, and 6.4-liter Chrysler-built V-8 engines, the Hellcat is, for all intents, a new design sharing only basic architecture—such as a 103.9-mm bore—with its predecessors.
More than 90 percent of the components (by value, not parts count) are new. The cast-iron block has thicker webs and larger cooling passages to support the added power and stress. The induction-hardened forged-steel crankshaft provides the desired 90.9-mm stroke. The powder-forged steel connecting rods have cracked bearing caps for more secure clamping. New forged-aluminum pistons withstand more than 21,000 pounds of combustion pressure. The 24-mm wrist pins have a diamondlike coating for minimal friction.
Revelation 2: While the uninformed may deem an iron cylinder block to be yester-tech, Cowland insists it’s the ideal material for this application given the intense loading. While a fresh aluminum design might save a few pounds, package dimensions would surely be larger due to aluminum’s significantly lower stiffness. The hard-working, fast-spinning Hellcat crankshaft is well supported by the iron block’s deep side skirts and twenty bolts securing the five main-bearing caps. A meaty closed upper deck resists cylinder-bore distortion.
Revelation 3: While the heat-treated A356 aluminum cylinder heads do not have hemispherical combustion chambers, they do carry huge 54.3-mm (2.14-inch) intake valves and 42.0-mm (1.65-inch) exhaust valves. Both have hollow stems to save weight; the exhaust stems are sodium-filled to dispense with excess heat.
Revelation 4: IHI Turbo America (formerly Warner-Ishi) manufactures the entire 80-pound supercharger—aluminum housing, aluminum rotors supported by steel shafts, and the twin air-liquid intercoolers—in a Shelbyville, Illinois, plant. A one-way clutch on the blower’s input shaft prevents the high-inertia rotating components from back-driving the engine during lift-throttle conditions. More potent than a street sweeper, this blower can move 30,000 liters of air per minute. IHI earned this business in a fly-off against two other supercharger suppliers.
Revelation 5: Spinning the twin-screw IHI supercharger is a substantial engineering feat. Washers securing the 10-rib drive pulley to the crankshaft are infused with industrial diamonds to provide sufficient clamping friction. Driving the blower 2.36 times crankshaft rpm to deliver 2.4 liters of air per revolution consumes 80 horsepower. The asymmetrical supercharger rotors spin at different speeds thanks to their interlocking configuration and 3:5-ratio phase gears at the back of the blower. At the 6000-rpm engine horsepower peak, the rotor spun by the belt from the crankshaft turns at 14,160 rpm while its mate spins at 23,600 rpm.
The rotors are coated with a Teflon material that helps maintain the tight clearances needed to prevent airflow leaks. In the event of accidental contact, the soft coating abrades instead of the aluminum rotor material. Gears and rotor bearings are lubricated by a sealed-for-life splash system containing synthetic oil. Durability was proven by canting the blower at 47 degrees from horizontal and running it at different speeds and loads for 300 test hours.
Revelation 6: Noise generated by the supercharger is engineered to please the obvious Hellcat users: individuals with a stout performance bent. During idle and part-throttle driving, the bearing, gear, rotor, and airflow ruckus falls below the audible threshold. Kick the gas and you hear a subtle whine mixed in with the louder intake and exhaust sounds. No artificial noise is added via the car’s sound system.
Revelation 7: To cool the intake air and maximize its density, a 250-watt (1/3-horsepower) thermostatically controlled electric pump moves 45 liters of coolant per minute through the two heat exchangers (intercoolers) built into the flanks of the supercharger and the two radiators positioned at the front of the car. The goal is to reduce the temperature of the intake air to less than 140 degrees Fahrenheit so the water and antifreeze mixture is maintained at about 100 degrees F.
Revelation 8: The fuel lines are 0.5 inch in diameter to quench Hellcat’s thirst for gasoline, while the air-fuel ratio is regulated by using both speed-density and mass airflow calculations (doubling up was necessary to satisfy onboard diagnostics requirements). Although direct injection was considered, suitable high-pressure delivery pumps with the required capacity do not exist.
The eight fuel injectors positioned in the intake runners deliver up to 630 cc of gasoline per minute (or one pint every six seconds). The injector orifices are drilled at a 20-degree angle to aim the 17-degree cone of atomized fuel at the back side of the intake valve. Delivery is nearly continuous to ensure that adequate fuel to support 707 horsepower is delivered. The heat of the intake valve vaporizes the microdroplets of gasoline before they enter the combustion chambers. Two air intakes are provided in the Hellcat Challenger: one at the center of a driver’s-side lamp located in the grille, the other at the bottom of an underhood filter housing.
Revelation 9: A high-capacity engine oil cooler is standard Hellcat equipment. The factory-fill lubricant is Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic oil in a 0w40 viscosity grade. A total of six heat exchangers live at the front of each Challenger SRT powered by this engine.
Revelation 10: The Hellcat V-8 is offered with a choice of a Tremec TR-6060 six-speed manual transmission or a ZF/TorqueFlite paddle-shifted 8HP90 eight-speed automatic. Both are upgraded for this application and equipped with lubricant coolers.
A twin-disc 10.2-inch clutch feeds torque to the manual ’box. Launch control is provided with both transmissions to help novices burn less rubber and waste minimal time off the line. The automatic starts in second gear in launch mode. Thanks to the wide ratio spreads and tall top gears, the Challenger SRT achieves up to 22 mpg in EPA highway tests. Unfortunately, its 13 mpg in city driving results in a $1700 gas-guzzler tax penalty.
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fastpony
Hammond, IN
41, joined Apr. 2007
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this was a fun thread while it lasted,but....Mustang JUST announced its hennessy" package,rated at 717 horses.
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| 10/4/2014 8:35:20 AM |
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ksgreasemonkey
Junction City, KS
35, joined Aug. 2013
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What about that 10.77 et pass the roush 2015 5.0 made on slicks? Or the 11.7 on the n/a 5.0. Or even that 12.57 on the ecoboost 4 banger? Half the money and you only lose a second?
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| 10/4/2014 10:05:26 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
67, joined Nov. 2007
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I remember back in the sixties when the big three car makers did this same exact thing with their muscle cars. Round and round they went until the government stepped in and put a stop to it. That's about the time the government started to kiss the UN's a** and decided we needed to be more like Europe. Things haven't been right in this country since.
Semper Fi !!!
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