In light of the Catholic teaching that doctrine can not change, only develop,it appears that you are in the wrong century and/or not up to speed with what has developed as indeed Pope Francis said "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics."

In consideration of your anti-Pope Francis stance and anti-second Vatican stance(as your posting history can give evidence to),truth be known,even other Roman Catholics would consider you a heretic.


You are Roman Catholic and yet you choose to reject the authority and teachings/documents from the Second Vatican Council,so let me remind you again and I quote
Ronald L. Conte Jr.(Roman Catholic theologian and translator of the Catholic Public Domain Version of the Bible.) :

"any Catholic who rejects all teachings of the Second Vatican Council, for any reason, thereby commits the sin of heresy and is automatically excommunicated.

Anyone who rejects the authority itself of the Second Vatican Council, for any reason, thereby commits the sin of schism and is automatically excommunicated.

Anyone who rejects any particular teaching of Vatican II, a teaching which has been subsequently taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium, thereby commits the sin of heresy and is automatically excommunicated"

According to this lud,you have committed the sin of heresy and the committed the sin of schism and is automatically excommunicated.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, And John may have gotten some details wrong but none of the four gospels contains any doctrinal or moral error.

That's funny! Good one, Loop!


Cash, that's a great post. Thanks!

What troubles me is this: I have no problem seeing Catholics as Christians, and it boggles me that while I can accept them as Christian, that can't accept me as one? That's just so wrong.

Not all are Jews that say they are Jews.
Not all are Christians that say they are christian.
But, the word does say, ye shall know them by their fruit,

Just call it as it is, many worship with their mouth but their heart is far from him.

He calls us Protestants, but he's the one who protests. Hmm

You guys who quote Vatican II was not an ibfallible council. Duriing the council it was stated over and over that Vatican II was merely a "pastoral" council. Pope Paul VI said at the end of the council that if anything the council sais contradicted Catholic traditional teaching, that traditional Catholic teaching should hold sway.

You guys who quote Vatican II was not an ibfallible council. Duriing the council it was stated over and over that Vatican II was merely a "pastoral" council.

Listen to what your flip flops are telling you lud.

R_ E_F_O_R_E_R, over and over again.

Hey, I have heard of people who had voices in their head. You are the first to claim, they come from your sandals. Damn reformers that they are!

Git rid of them lud! Cut them off your feet!

? Matthew 18:9 ?

New International Version
And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell

Tis better you cast those Sandals away, buy a real mans set of shoes. No flip flopping with a good set of hiking boots.

According to Luke 10:16, anyone who rejects the pope rejects Jesus, and anyone who rejects Jesus rejects God.

it is increasingly clear that Pope Francis is not a very good pope. Pope Francis, for one thing, can't seem to distinguish between encouraging sinners to repent and condoning sin.

I think Pope Francis would very well qualify as a minster of Christ and as your posts can give evidence to,you have thought meanly of him and looked scornfully upon him while rejecting what he has said so I guess according to what you wrote,that would make you the one rejecting Jesus and further rejecting God.

It is true that the Church teaches that those who are ignorant of the Catholic faith through no fault of their own but who led a good life, can be saved, and this has been a doctrine from long before Vatican II. But these should be seen as extraordinary cases. Ordinarily, outside the Church there is no salvation.

But why take a chance on that? Why not trust God all the way and convert? "Unless ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter the Kingdom of God" --Jesus

I already posted that cash, but lud refuses to read what his church says.

Shoes
Exodus 3:5
Verse Concepts
Then He said, "Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground."


2 Samuel 15:30
Verse Concepts
And David went up the ascent of the Mount of Olives, and wept as he went, and his head was covered and he walked barefoot. Then all the people who were with him each covered his head and went up weeping as they went.
Acts 7:30-35
"After forty years had passed, AN ANGEL APPEARED TO HIM IN THE WILDERNESS OF MOUNT Sinai, IN THE FLAME OF A BURNING THORN BUSH. "When Moses saw it, he marveled at the sight; and as he approached to look more closely, there came the voice of the Lord: 'I AM THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS, THE GOD OF ABRAHAM AND ISAAC AND JACOB.' Moses shook with fear and would not venture to look. read more.
Deuteronomy 25:8-9
"Then the elders of his city shall summon him and speak to him. And if he persists and says, 'I do not desire to take her,' then his brother's wife shall come to him in the sight of the elders, and pull his sandal off his foot and spit in his face; and she shall declare, 'Thus it is done to the man who does not build up his brother's house.'
Ruth 4:8
Verse Concepts
So the closest relative said to Boaz, "Buy it for yourself." And he removed his sandal.
Psalms 60:8
Verse Concepts
"Moab is My washbowl; Over Edom I shall throw My shoe; Shout loud, O Philistia, because of Me!"
Psalms 108:9
Verse Concepts
"Moab is My washbowl; Over Edom I shall throw My shoe; Over Philistia I will shout aloud."
Song of Solomon 7:1
"How beautiful are your feet in sandals, O prince's daughter! The curves of your hips are like jewels, The work of the hands of an artist.
Isaiah 9:5
Verse Concepts
For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire.
Amos 2:6
Verse Concepts
Thus says the LORD, "For three transgressions of Israel and for four I will not revoke its punishment, Because they sell the righteous for money And the needy for a pair of sandals.
Matthew 3:11
Verse Concepts
"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:7
Verse Concepts
And he was preaching, and saying, "After me One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals.
Luke 3:16
Verse Concepts
John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:27
Verse Concepts
"It is He who comes after me, the thong of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie."
Acts 13:25
Verse Concepts
"And while John was completing his course, he kept saying, 'What do you suppose that I am? I am not He. But behold, one is coming after me the sandals of whose feet I am not worthy to untie.'
Genesis 14:23
Verse Concepts
that I will not take a thread or a sandal thong or anything that is yours, for fear you would say, 'I have made Abram rich.'
Mark 6:9
Verse Concepts
but to wear sandals; and He added, "Do not put on two tunics."
Acts 12:8
Verse Concepts
And the angel said to him, "Gird yourself and put on your sandals." And he did so. And he said to him, "Wrap your cloak around you and follow me."
Deuteronomy 33:25
Verse Concepts
"Your locks will be iron and bronze, And according to your days, so will your leisurely walk be.
Ezekiel 16:10
Verse Concepts
"I also clothed you with embroidered cloth and put sandals of porpoise skin on your feet; and I wrapped you with fine linen and covered you with silk.
Isaiah 3:18
In that day the Lord will take away the beauty of their anklets, headbands, crescent ornaments,
Exodus 12:11
Verse Concepts
'Now you shall eat it in this manner: with your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste--it is the LORD'S Passover.
Isaiah 20:2-3
at that time the LORD spoke through Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, "Go and loosen the sackcloth from your hips and take your shoes off your feet " And he did so, going naked and barefoot. And the LORD said, "Even as My servant Isaiah has gone naked and barefoot three years as a sign and token against Egypt and Cush,
Ezekiel 24:17
Verse Concepts
"Groan silently; make no mourning for the dead Bind on your turban and put your shoes on your feet, and do not cover your mustache and do not eat the bread of men."
Ezekiel 24:23
Verse Concepts
'Your turbans will be on your heads and your shoes on your feet. You will not mourn and you will not weep, but you will rot away in your iniquities and you will groan to one another.
Joshua 5:15
Verse Concepts
The captain of the LORD'S host said to Joshua, "Remove your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy." And Joshua did so.
Joshua 9:5
Verse Concepts
and worn-out and patched sandals on their feet, and worn-out clothes on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and had become crumbled.
Joshua 9:13
Verse Concepts
"These wineskins which we filled were new, and behold, they are torn; and these our clothes and our sandals are worn out because of the very long journey."
Deuteronomy 29:5
Verse Concepts
"I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your clothes have not worn out on you, and your sandal has not worn out on your foot.
Amos 8:6
Verse Concepts
So as to buy the helpless for money And the needy for a pair of sandals, And that we may sell the refuse of the wheat?"
Deuteronomy 25:9-10
Verse Concepts
then his brother's wife shall come to him in the sight of the elders, and pull his sandal off his foot and spit in his face; and she shall declare, 'Thus it is done to the man who does not build up his brother's house.' "In Israel his name shall be called, 'The house of him whose sandal is removed.'
Ruth 4:7-8
Verse Concepts
Now this was the custom in former times in Israel concerning the redemption and the exchange of land to confirm any matter: a man removed his sandal and gave it to another; and this was the manner of attestation in Israel. So the closest relative said to Boaz, "Buy it for yourself." And he removed his sandal.
Matthew 10:10
Verse Concepts
or a bag for your journey, or even two coats, or sandals, or a staff; for the worker is worthy of his support.
Luke 10:4
Verse Concepts
"Carry no money belt, no bag, no shoes; and greet no one on the way.
Ephesians 6:15
Verse Concepts
and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;
Luke 15:22
Verse Concepts
"But the father said to his slaves, 'Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet;
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I already posted that cash, but lud refuses to read what his church says.

605 At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled that God's love excludes no one: "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."410 He affirms that he came "to give his life as a ransom for many"; this last term is not restrictive, but contrasts the whole of humanity with the unique person of the redeemer who hands himself over to save us.411 The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: "There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer."412

“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists,” he said, answering his own query. “Everyone! And this blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the blood of Christ has redeemed us all!”

The Catholic belief system distinguishes between redemption and salvation. Jesus redeemed the whole human race when He died on the cross. This does not mean every one will be saved; it basically only means that everyone has the grace to be saved, thanks to Jesus.

Pope Francis mentioned the Muslims. In Saudi Arabia Christianity is illegal. There are no Protestant, Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox Churches anywhere in Saudi Arabia. The average Saudi citizen knows very, very little about Jesus or Christianity. In many other Muslim countries Christianity might not be officially illegal, but one can go several hundred miles without finding a Christian church. Does God love these people? Of course He does. People who live in this kind of ignorance--an ignorance that is not their own fault--can be saved without becoming Catholic. But for adult Protestants in America, people who claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit, people who change denominations at least once or twice in their lifetimes, people who have all kinds of information at literaally their fingertips, these people are not going to be able to claim inculpable ignorance of the Catholic Church.

"Unless ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter the Kingdom of God." --Jesus

Matthew 18 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

18 At that hour came the disciples near to Jesus, saying, `Who, now, is greater in the reign of the heavens?'
2 And Jesus having called near a child, did set him in the midst of them,
3 and said, `Verily I say to you, if ye may not be turned and become as the children, ye may not enter into the reign of the heavens;
4 whoever then may humble himself as this child, he is the greater in the reign of the heavens.
5 `And he who may receive one such child in my name, doth receive me,
6 and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in me, it is better for him that a weighty millstone may be hanged upon his neck, and he may be sunk in the depth of the sea.
7 `Wo to the world from the stumbling-blocks! for there is a necessity for the stumbling-blocks to come, but wo to that man through whom the stumbling-block doth come!
8 `And if thy hand or thy foot doth cause thee to stumble, cut them off and cast from thee; it is good for thee to enter into the life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast to the fire the age-during.
9 `And if thine eye doth cause thee to stumble, pluck it out and cast from thee; it is good for thee one-eyed to enter into the life, rather than having two eyes to be cast to the gehenna of the fire.
10 `Beware! -- ye may not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you, that their messengers in the heavens do always behold the face of my Father who is in the heavens,
11 for the Son of Man did come to save the lost.

But for adult Protestants in America, people who claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit, people who change denominations at least once or twice in their lifetimes,

Protestantism flip flops. When slavery was popular, Protestantism supported slavery, When it became unpopular, Protestantism was against it, all the while telling people that morality wasn't important, all you needed was faith in Jesus, and even the worst slave traders could still go to Heaven if they believed in Jesus. Catholicism has always been against slavery. Pope after pope after pope condemned it.

When racism was popular, Protestantism embraced racism. You should have seen the racists at my old Methodist church back in Alabama during the 1960s! When racism became unpopular, Protestantism went against Protestantism. The Catholic Church has always been against racism.

When contraception was unpopular, Protestantism was against contraception. When contraception became popular, Protestatntism was pro-contraception. The Catholic Church has always been against contraception.

As homosexual sex becomes more and more popular, you will see Protestant churches all of a sudden deciding that the "spirit" now says homosexual sex is now okay (it's already begun to happen). The Catholic Church has always stood against this perversion, even if the present weak pope almost decided to approve of it. The Holy Spirit will not allow the Church to teach error.

The Second Vatican Council was not an infallible council. Whoever said that rejecting Vatican II is heresy is full of balone, I don't care how high up in the Vatican he is.

According to Luke 10:16, anyone who rejects the pope rejects Jesus, and anyone who rejects Jesus rejects God.

Jesus is speaking to His apostles here, the first bishops of the Catholic Church. He is also speaking to Peter, the first pope. If someone rejects them it's the same as rejecting Jesus.