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inventtis2
South Haven, MI
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It is acting very weird right at the moment.
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8/25/2015 3:29:34 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
North York, ON
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Analysis of what Nuffan?
Which was the point I was making earlier the difference between trading and investing.
A long term value investor isn't fazed by market conditions, this was the point I was making earlier.
I dont follow analysts, rating agencies or anything like that, I pick a company and read the financials among other things.
How many people on here spends time reading financial statements or better yet understands financial statements?
This is why Buffet is very successful, he learned this from his mentor Graham, always invests into companies you understand.
Ive followed that advice, I dont invest or ever invested into tech companies or oil because that isn't my forte, I never invested into lets say GE because Jeff Imelt is an idiot.
I have shorted Washington Mutual, Bank of America and a few, they were never going to be long term investments because of their business model, although Im looking at one wall street firm because its balance sheet is appealing, long term for me is a minimum of 7 years.
If I went by what every analyst ever said I would never have shorted WaMu, B of A etc, they were saying at the time buy buy buy because it was falling and looks cheap.
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8/25/2015 3:30:16 PM |
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nuffan
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It is acting very weird right at the moment.
Which makes my point...
I some how doubt...it is acting very weird atm is a contingency most analyst contend for...lol
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8/25/2015 3:35:19 PM |
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nuffan
Kennesaw, GA
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Analysis of what Nuffan?
Which was the point I was making earlier the difference between trading and investing.
A long term value investor isn't fazed by market conditions, this was the point I was making earlier.
I dont follow analysts, rating agencies or anything like that, I pick a company and read the financials among other things.
How many people on here spends time reading financial statements or better yet understands financial statements?
This is why Buffet is very successful, he learned this from his mentor Graham, always invests into companies you understand.
Ive followed that advice, I dont invest or ever invested into tech companies or oil because that isn't my forte, I never invested into lets say GE because Jeff Imelt is an idiot.
I have shorted Washington Mutual, Bank of America and a few, they were never going to be long term investments because of their business model, although Im looking at one wall street firm because its balance sheet is appealing, long term for me is a minimum of 7 years.
If I went by what every analyst ever said I would never have shorted WaMu, B of A etc, they were saying at the time buy buy buy because it was falling and looks cheap.
You are either doing the analysis yourself or you are counting on others to do it for you...
but you are not simply throwing darts at a board...so lets assume somehow the investment is getting analyzed in some form before the investment is made...
and the analysis does not deal with things are acting weird at the moment...
it is not part of the projection model...lol
The projections both long and short term are not prepared to forecast a disruption of credit and the impacts to the market that result...
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8/25/2015 3:43:42 PM |
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mr_bad_robot
Cincinnati, OH
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The market going down like it is hurts the people that are close to retirement.
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8/25/2015 3:44:35 PM |
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alls_fair
Thorlákshöfn
Iceland
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WTF...I just turned the game on and the DOW is down 200? I checked the ticker this morning and it was up 200+. I may not k,now jack about sh*t but I have common sense and this thing is going to continue down, a lot. I noticed yesterday not one "analyst," mentioned the words, "crash," or "recession." All you hear about are basis points, fundamentals, emerging markets, growth scare not a credit scare, deflationary, relative strength, strange uncharted territory, problematic selling, unwinds & positioning..ect. and the one I like the best "conflicting signals." ya they said that "we have conflicting signals," you think. More like double speak. This isn't about Apples CEO being gay or what bets lobo or inventis are "laying off,"(shorting.) This is about 2 quadrillion of derivative exposure, worldwide.
What do you think would happen if they got in front of TV cameras and told the bald faced truth???
That the US economy...and that of the entire globe...has a major case of SYSTEMIC ROT???
I watched a documentary recently entitled "The Federal Reserve: Money For Nothing" where they were interviewing a few members of the various Fed'ral Reserve Boards around the US. The Chairman of the Dallas Board was seen on camera saying the Fed'ral Reserve can NOT mechanically save the stock market from any further crashes...
He also said that the US would be better off if we return to times when people in the US had savings instead of being buried up to their bottom lip in credit. In fact, it was the very principles and fundamentals that I was taught as a kid. I have thought this very same thing for a long time. To hear a high priced suit...an assumed very knowledgeable one...iterate those sentiments was vindication for all the disgust I harbor toward the fed'ral gubment for its role in creating the current SYSTEMIC ROT!!!
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8/25/2015 3:50:40 PM |
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mr_bad_robot
Cincinnati, OH
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The Fed said again today the rates are going up, that never set well with the market. The correction China made never worked their market is still losing ground.
Germany still says the Greek mess is far from over. Europe is being flooded by people fleeing the ME. Today it was reported there are at least 600 radical Islamic's in Europe ready to strike.
The price of oil dropping like it has, has sent chills down the spines of a lot of people.
I say the US market is due for one hell of a rough ride.
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8/25/2015 3:55:00 PM |
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markjetson
Albuquerque, NM
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Trump on Buffet- Generally there is a reason for success. When you look at the legends like Alan "Ace" Greenberg and Warren Buffet and marvel at how good they are, you will likely see that what makes them so successful is the same quality you should apply to your own investments--common sense..... I've read many of WBs annual reports. In every case what fascinates me is that he is able to reduce things to the simplest terms... You paid good money for this book, and I know you're expecting sophisticated investment advice. The wisest thing I can tell you is to only invest in products You understand, with people you know you can trust. Sometimes the best investments are the ones you don't make. pg 102, DT, How To Get Rich
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8/25/2015 3:55:28 PM |
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jillybodob
Naperville, IL
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What do you think would happen if 'they' got in front of the TV and said, 'you didn't build that?'
What do you think would happen if they got in front of TV cameras and told the bald faced truth???
That the US economy...and that of the entire globe...has a major case of SYSTEMIC ROT???
I watched a documentary recently entitled "The Federal Reserve: Money For Nothing" where they were interviewing a few members of the various Fed'ral Reserve Boards around the US. The Chairman of the Dallas Board was seen on camera saying the Fed'ral Reserve can NOT mechanically save the stock market from any further crashes...
He also said that the US would be better off if we return to times when people in the US had savings instead of being buried up to their bottom lip in credit. In fact, it was the very principles and fundamentals that I was taught as a kid. I have thought this very same thing for a long time. To hear a high priced suit...an assumed very knowledgeable one...iterate those sentiments was vindication for all the disgust I harbor toward the fed'ral gubment for its role in creating the current SYSTEMIC ROT!!!
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8/25/2015 4:02:24 PM |
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lobo_corazon
Orleans, ON
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Lobo,
that is all nice and wonderful but you are looking at it from a traders point of view, this is why you people believes investing in the stock market is like playing the casino.
We dont buy and sell stocks because some analyst writes a report and recommends to buy, sell or hold?
And that's why the traders eat the lunch of buy-and-hold investors.
What you are missing is that that analyst report, while it may be based on ignorance and mostly wrong, and/or a late reaction to what has already happened, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in the near term.
It would make a fantastic study to measure the success rate of shorting stocks immediately after analyst downgrades, covering after 1 wk, 2 wks or 1 month. I bet the success rate is very, very high... Due to the self-fullfilling prophecy and market herd mentality.
(I haven't looked into it closely because I never short individual stocks.)
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8/25/2015 4:04:50 PM |
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jillybodob
Naperville, IL
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Bought some stuff Friday.
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8/25/2015 4:25:17 PM |
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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Bought some stuff?
You make it sound like you picked up a bag of weed or something! LOL
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8/25/2015 4:28:42 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
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Im not missing anything Lobo, as in for eat the lunch of buy and hold investors well Im sure if you had proof of that you would have posted it.
I short stocks because I see something in the business model that triggers an opportunity , I dont rely on analysts who are usually bought and paid for and full of shit.
Ive participated in LBO's when it was fashionable back then now they are called Private equity and including leverage bets on CDS.
This is why I dont have an RRSP, or Mutual funds , ETF's or Bear funds etc those are suckers bets.
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8/25/2015 4:31:57 PM |
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jillybodob
Naperville, IL
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I didn't put it down on 23 RED.
Bought some stuff?
You make it sound like you picked up a bag of weed or something! LOL
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8/25/2015 4:37:08 PM |
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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Then what? 00 Green?
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8/25/2015 4:40:46 PM |
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lobo_corazon
Orleans, ON
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Im not missing anything Lobo, as in for eat the lunch of buy and hold investors well Im sure if you had proof of that you would have posted it.
I short stocks because I see something in the business model that triggers an opportunity , I dont rely on analysts who are usually bought and paid for and full of shit.
Ive participated in LBO's when it was fashionable back then now they are called Private equity and including leverage bets on CDS.
This is why I dont have an RRSP, or Mutual funds , ETF's or Bear funds etc those are suckers bets.
Proof of what? That if one guy rides his stock from 1000 to 500 and back again, while another guy sells at 800 and buys again on the way up at 700, the second guy is way ahead of the first one? If I have to prove that to you, I just don't feel like investing the time in you.
Look at the chart of (DOW, TSX, whatever) yesterday morning right after 9:30. There is your proof.
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8/25/2015 4:42:50 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
North York, ON
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Nuffan,
Of course I do my own analysis, I know how read financial statements, why would I rely on some analyst who may or may not have read the statements?
As I was saying to lobo corozon earlier, I dont fully rely on the EPS ( earnings per share) and then decide I look into it further.
I will give you an example in the 90's up here In Canada there was a company called Nortel, it was Canada's tech darling at the time, Ive never invested a cent into it after seeing the EPS rising and all the analysts was going ga ga over it, I looked into it further and read the income statement and looked at the balance sheet, cash flow statements etc.
Low and behold I found that Nortel had 7 divisions, 5 of them were hemorrhaging cash, and the CEO at the time ( they went through a few) was buying back its own shares decreasing the pie and it looked like the earnings were growing all this and 5 division losing money.
I avoided it like the plague.
Ask Lobo where Nortel is today?
My point Nuffan, Understanding financial statements is a smart thing, knowing where to look can save you headaches and money in the future its not a guarantee for success but it decreases the risk.
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8/25/2015 4:43:08 PM |
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jillybodob
Naperville, IL
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Lobo, a capitalist who talks about fools their money. Love it!
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8/25/2015 4:50:37 PM |
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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I didn't put it down on 23 Red
And FYI - it was $20 on Red.
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8/25/2015 4:52:59 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
North York, ON
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Lobo, you are really either naive or you are dense.
I just told you , I DON'T TRADE, unless I'm hedging or shorting I DON'T TRADE LIKE YOU.
The example you gave is what traders do, Now If I saw an opportunity when the stock was 1000 per share and dropping I would short it or play the option and by a" put", but it has to be an opportunity and I can see it after looking at the business model among other things
I dont use Bollinger bands or whatever techniques you traders use nowadays.
Understand now?
I told you what I do and give an example What I did with TD canada trust stock I purchased in March 1988, You cant beat that strategy my shares in TD appreciated and tripled and it pays a dividend until I need the money or the bank is going to zero Im being paid to keep it.
If I did what you do I wouldn't have the same amount of shares that I have today and it split 3 times, If I retired tomorrow I would be comfortable for the rest of my life.
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8/25/2015 4:54:58 PM |
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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You would retire good only IF the market was up.
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8/25/2015 4:55:25 PM |
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jillybodob
Naperville, IL
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red is paying off these days...
And FYI - it was $20 on Red.
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8/25/2015 5:33:04 PM |
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louie6332
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Well, the US market is closing down today, eliciting an "Oh no" reaction from the floor. The bounce was what they call a “dead cat bounce”. It looks like the general trend is still down.
Louie
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8/25/2015 6:02:20 PM |
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jillybodob
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trend is down. that's impossible.
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8/25/2015 6:36:54 PM |
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inventtis2
South Haven, MI
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I'm having a good week regardless and there is a lot more of it yet to come.
Personally if you do invest, you should consider looking into stock options as it allows one to control your risk.
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8/25/2015 6:41:27 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
North York, ON
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Stellar, why would I retire if the market is good?
I have more shares than I started out with, they are all up, no matter which way the market goes Im fine, of course the higher the market is the more I have but if its down Im still ahead of the game.
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8/25/2015 6:43:12 PM |
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lobo_corazon
Orleans, ON
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Lobo, you are really either naive or you are dense.
I just told you , I DON'T TRADE, unless I'm hedging or shorting I DON'T TRADE LIKE YOU.
The example you gave is what traders do, Now If I saw an opportunity when the stock was 1000 per share and dropping I would short it or play the option and by a" put", but it has to be an opportunity and I can see it after looking at the business model among other things
I dont use Bollinger bands or whatever techniques you traders use nowadays.
Understand now?
I told you what I do and give an example What I did with TD canada trust stock I purchased in March 1988, You cant beat that strategy my shares in TD appreciated and tripled and it pays a dividend until I need the money or the bank is going to zero Im being paid to keep it.
If I did what you do I wouldn't have the same amount of shares that I have today and it split 3 times, If I retired tomorrow I would be comfortable for the rest of my life.
You really believe that it's impossible for a trader buying low and selling high with your same stock of choice to beat your buy-and-hold strategy?
I thought you worked in the financial industry? It gets harder and harder to believe that claim.
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8/25/2015 6:50:20 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
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Now you're full of it lobo, you have no idea about financial industry, you dont even understand " shorting" or " dark pools" yet we are supposed to take your word?
Do you have any idea how Swaps got around legislation?
I dont work in the financial industry currently, I worked there in my 20's, but I still invest.
Don't try and educate me on an industry that you have no friggen clue on.
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8/25/2015 6:57:48 PM |
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inventtis2
South Haven, MI
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I'm curious boys, how many of you are beating the market and what is your YTD percentage return?
I'm up approximately 890% for the year, I've added in some extra money so you can subtract out 100% and I'd still call it good at 790%. I'm averaging 10.91% on my trades, my long stock is down at the moment (not sure how much), and I tried a few losing ideas. I just totaled the balance and did the simple math.
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8/25/2015 7:00:12 PM |
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jillybodob
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you're a stud dude.
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8/25/2015 7:05:12 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
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You need to ask Lobo that question, Im not a trader, I have 5 companies stock in portfolio that Ive had since the late 80's and early 90's.
The last long term stock I bought was in 2010 well dec 2009 to top up on my TD canada trust between re investing the dividends and topping it up twice in 2009 , you would be shocked to know how many shares I actually have.
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8/25/2015 7:05:15 PM |
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jillybodob
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no homo...
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8/25/2015 7:12:24 PM |
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inventtis2
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I'm just curious if anyone has the rests to back up their talk.
Any long term position should be doing good.
How are you doing in this challenging year?
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8/25/2015 7:13:19 PM |
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jillybodob
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I can only invest in company approved funds.
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8/25/2015 7:32:58 PM |
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inventtis2
South Haven, MI
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I can only invest in company approved funds.
That sounds like a 401k. You receive a paycheck, then you can open up your own trading account, I've tried a bunch of them and prefer Interactive Brokers, for many reasons, but they are the cheapest that I've found and the best for what I do.
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8/25/2015 7:40:29 PM |
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jillybodob
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Without terminating employment, how can I do that?
Possible 'chatting' detected. You have already posted in this thread recently. Please wait for some other people to reply before posting in this thread again, or wait like an hour or so, whichever comes first. Sorry for the inconvenience.
That sounds like a 401k. You receive a paycheck, then you can open up your own trading account, I've tried a bunch of them and prefer Interactive Brokers, for many reasons, but they are the cheapest that I've found and the best for what I do.
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8/25/2015 7:51:34 PM |
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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Stellar, why would I retire if the market is good?
I have more shares than I started out with, they are all up, no matter which way the market goes Im fine, of course the higher the market is the more I have but if its down Im still ahead of the game.
People that invest long usually are doing so as a tax shelter. They only pay tax on their money when they pull it out, but enjoy write offs in the form of losses when it's down.
Usually a person doing this kind of "investing" already has liquidity oozing out every orfice of his/her body...
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inventtis2
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interactivebrokers.com is a good place to start, but I think you need at least $10k to open an account, or they used to.
I started with a tdameritrade.com, but with any volume of trading you will find the fees add up really fast and eat away at your profit.
I've spent $2000 in trading fees this year already.
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8/25/2015 8:02:14 PM |
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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Geebus Kripes!
$2k in trading fees!?
Not to mention $10k initial investment!
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alls_fair
Thorlákshöfn
Iceland
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interactivebrokers.com is a good place to start, but I think you need at least $10k to open an account, or they used to.
I started with a tdameritrade.com, but with any volume of trading you will find the fees add up really fast and eat away at your profit.
I've spent $2000 in trading fees this year already.
And for this reason ^^^, making a penny per stock per trade is more or less useless...unless you are moving big volumes!
But I knew this several pages back...
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inventtis2
South Haven, MI
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Geebus Kripes!
$2k in trading fees!?
Not to mention $10k initial investment!
Buying and selling costs money, it is something to be cautious of. I've made a lot of trades, but I also have made a lot of money, so $2k doesn't matter, just part of the cost to play the game.
I started trading in 2003 with $600, so you can start with much less, but the trading fees will kill you if you aren't careful.
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8/25/2015 8:15:07 PM |
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inventtis2
South Haven, MI
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And for this reason ^^^, making a penny per stock per trade is more or less useless...unless you are moving big volumes!
But I knew this several pages back...
In options, 1 contract controls 100 shares worth of stock, so every penny in change in price is $1. I've bought up to 15 contracts on AAPL stock recently, so for every penny in price movement, I gain/lose $15.
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8/25/2015 8:17:49 PM |
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Chairman__Darth
North York, ON
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I'm just curious if anyone has the rests to back up their talk.
Any long term position should be doing good.
How are you doing in this challenging year?
The rests? what does that mean?
are you trying to compare your investments with others?
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8/25/2015 9:56:38 PM |
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thunderpump
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It's where it's at today thanks to QE... AKA the tax payers.
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8/25/2015 10:03:12 PM |
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lobo_corazon
Orleans, ON
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Without terminating employment, how can I do that?
How does someone invest in stocks without going through your company's DPSP? Talk to your bank, ask an advisor about a Roth IRA.
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8/25/2015 10:17:28 PM |
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thunderpump
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The Dow will be at 19,000 by year's end. Until then, minor down ticks in a general up trend mean nothing...except that some folks are too stupid, and cowardly, to be in the market to begin with.
I don't think these are minor down ticks as you call them.
And actually people are smart to not play the market in some respects.
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longbobby
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Maybe globalism wasn’t such a good idea, I guess ... huh Jews?
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8/25/2015 10:36:17 PM |
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inventtis2
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Statistically all is normal so far, it just seems more crazy than it really is.
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8/25/2015 10:41:07 PM |
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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Normal? Hong Kong and Japan have bigger markets than we do... 1000 point drop on the HSI isn't nothing while soaring in the 21,000's!
The $hit is way out of control and has been since 2008!
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8/25/2015 10:44:51 PM |
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longbobby
Lufkin, TX
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Ask yourself who benefits from this? Yes the same parasites that engineer, then benefit from every crash.
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8/25/2015 11:06:00 PM |
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thunderpump
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Statistically all is normal so far, it just seems more crazy than it really is.
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8/25/2015 11:16:00 PM |
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lobo_corazon
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Hong Kong and Japan have (much) smaller markets than yours. The headline number is meaningless for straight-up comparison. It's kindof like saying "Mine has 100 litres, and yours only has 80 gallons!"
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stellar007
Plymouth, MI
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I call it currency creep, Lobo.
Like when the USD was worth over 1.5 times that of the Canadian dollar. At the time I was still under 21 going over the bridge to party in Canada where the drinking age was only 19. The exchange rate was awesome, but slowly it crept up to where now days it's almost an even exchange.
I see the same thing happening with the market if we allow China to keep manipulating their currency -- key word here that people leave out "manipulating". Now they thought up the term De-Value because it sounds less deceptive.
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louie6332
Falkville, AL
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No, what is happening in world markets right now is not normal. We are witnessing a market crash right now, and in every market crash there are big ups and downs and giant waves of momentum. See the link:
http://www.infowars.com/during-every-market-crash-there-are-big-ups-big-downs-and-giant-waves-of-momentum/
There is this interesting new branch of mathematics called "catastrophe theory". It turns out that there are only a few distinct kinds of catastrophes, and these can be mapped as surfaces. On these surfaces there are these critical points in which values suddenly switch from one extreme to another. For example, when you approach a dog that is standing in front of you bearing his teeth at you and snarling, the dog is at a catastrophe point. He can suddenly attack, or suddenly turn and run, depending on how you react to him.
Anyway, the surface in some catastrophes becomes unstable as you approach the catastrophe point. And that is what is happening in the stock market today. It is becoming unstable (or extremely volatile), and wild swings are beginning to set in. This is a sign the market is approaching a catastrophe point. It is a dangerous or risky situation for ordinary investors, and they are being advised by some financial experts to get out of the market right now. As already pointed out in these posts, with millisecond computerized investment today, market values can change so rapidly that you cannot react to them. You can get around this by setting stops, but when you do that, you have to anticipate how large the swing might be, and if you misjudge that, you lose out on some of the potential profits.
One can make a fortune under these circumstances, if one handles it right. More about that later.
The markets closed yesterday in a downturn, we will see what happens today. See the link:
http://www.infowars.com/dow-sp-close-lower-in-biggest-reversal-since-oct-08/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chinas-market-slides-again-but-rest-of-asia-enjoys-some-respite/2015/08/25/b1b8381a-4aa3-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html
Louie
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8/26/2015 8:30:28 AM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
66, joined Mar. 2009
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I don't think these are minor down ticks as you call them.
And actually people are smart to not play the market in some respects.
call me dumb but i began investing in stock since the eighties which made it possible to retire in my mid fifties.
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8/26/2015 8:39:42 AM |
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naprinciple
West Plains, MO
46, joined Feb. 2014
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I call it currency creep, Lobo.
Like when the USD was worth over 1.5 times that of the Canadian dollar. At the time I was still under 21 going over the bridge to party in Canada where the drinking age was only 19. The exchange rate was awesome, but slowly it crept up to where now days it's almost an even exchange.
I see the same thing happening with the market if we allow China to keep manipulating their currency -- key word here that people leave out "manipulating". Now they thought up the term De-Value because it sounds less deceptive.
Is it "Deceptive" or "Manipulative", when the Fed devalues the Dollar?
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8/26/2015 8:43:37 AM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
66, joined Mar. 2009
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Without terminating employment, how can I do that?
Possible 'chatting' detected. You have already posted in this thread recently. Please wait for some other people to reply before posting in this thread again, or wait like an hour or so, whichever comes first. Sorry for the inconvenience.
That sounds like a 401k. You receive a paycheck, then you can open up your own trading account, I've tried a bunch of them and prefer Interactive Brokers, for many reasons, but they are the cheapest that I've found and the best for what I do.
the vast majority of 401k plans allow a rollover to an ira while still employed with the company.
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8/26/2015 11:02:29 AM |
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allnurmouf
Willingboro, NJ
32, joined Oct. 2014
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This is music to my ears. Pet it keep on falling. Im tired of just barely making ends meet while these rich bastards on wall st eat high off the hog all day.
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8/26/2015 11:54:29 AM |
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Chairman__Darth
North York, ON
45, joined Jul. 2015
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The DOW is up and no comments?
no doom and gloom, no world coming to the end?
Interesting.
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8/26/2015 11:56:02 AM |
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inventtis2
South Haven, MI
37, joined Nov. 2012
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I said it was normal, it just seems crazy.
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inventtis2 - South Haven, MI
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