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1/16/2016 8:03:00 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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why if yes.




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1/16/2016 8:34:10 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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why if yes.


Of course, because it's more or less factual. The scientists don't yet have it exactly right, but they're close enough. The biblical version of creation, the idea that God created everything 6,000 years ago, or whatever is the current Christian idea about it, is flat out wrong.

God initiated the process, but it happened more or less the way science says, millions and billions of years ago. Evolution as science has it does not preclude God. It simply precludes the bible belief version. And some people confuse the bible with God. They are not the same. It's science's job to find out how God did it and they're doing that, slowly but surely.

1/16/2016 8:42:24 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
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why if yes.

Yes, because it's true and evidentially supported and so qualifies as science, unlike religious creation myths, which would perhaps be suitable for discussion in a class on comparative religion or sociology, because creationism is a sociological phenomenon in the U.S.

1/16/2016 9:56:53 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

olderthandirt20
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I wonder why a second grade dropout is worried about school curriculums ?
Is the illiterate jester going back to school?



1/16/2016 10:05:59 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
Yasureoktoo
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He dropped out when they were teaching gravity.

1/16/2016 11:18:31 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
cupocheer
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No.

Why?

Prayer

1/16/2016 12:37:24 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from clarence2:
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Quote from jester0011:
why if yes.

Yes, because it's true and evidentially supported and so qualifies as science, unlike religious creation myths, which would perhaps be suitable for discussion in a class on comparative religion or sociology, because creationism is a sociological phenomenon in the U.S.


I think if you were truly forthcoming, Clarence, it [evolution] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in creation.

1/16/2016 1:14:23 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
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I think if you were truly forthcoming, Clarence, it [evolution] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in creation.

Evolution is true because of evidence, whatever I or anyone else believes. Creation by God/s is a religious idea that's debatable. I don't know if God/s are even possible and I don't feel inclined to be guided by what I want to be true.

1/16/2016 3:40:29 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quoted from walt
I think if you were truly forthcoming, Clarence, it [evolution] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in creation.



I think if you were truly forthcoming,Walt, it [christianity] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in reality.

1/16/2016 5:45:23 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
Quoted from walt
I think if you were truly forthcoming, Clarence, it [evolution] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in creation.



I think if you were truly forthcoming,Walt, it [christianity] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in reality.




1/16/2016 5:50:55 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from clarence2:
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I think if you were truly forthcoming, Clarence, it [evolution] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in creation.


Evolution is true because of evidence, whatever I or anyone else believes. Creation by God/s is a religious idea that's debatable. I don't know if God/s are even possible and I don't feel inclined to be guided by what I want to be true.


I think that evolution can be true enough and the evidence therefor true as well, and God could still have created the recipe that began it all. I also think that science will someday be forced to face this, and someday religionists will be forced to face the evolutionary facts that we do have. In other words, evolution does not in itself deny God. Christians like to make out that it does but that's because the confuse the Genesis bible account with God, and that's because they constantly call that stuff "God's Word," when it's really not. It's never ending reinforcement.

1/16/2016 8:25:01 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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As far as Education curriculum is concerned there is a far greater issue that has been ignored forever.

Why is it that Logic - both Formal and Informal logic - is not part of the curriculum unless one is taking a FULL IB program in high school and even then it is a low level course in philosophy, not logic per se.

Evidence from developmental psychology suggests that at the age of 12 or 13 the human brain is capable of understanding basic reasoning. Puberty is called 'the age of reason' and it is consistent with all the ancient religious teachings where girls at 12 and boys at 13 are considered adults.

In our society, since the industrial revolution there has been a false ideology put forward that gave adult status to persons 18 to 21. This was largely due to the economic realities that required further training to build the working class into a cog of production.

Logic ought to be taught in grades 7 through 9 and philosophy, including ethics, political and social philosophy as well as history (world history - not simply national history) would broaden the understanding and analytical skills of our youth. From this would come a stronger democracy as the BS that passes for 'information' would be recognized for what it is. The theological studies, including the basic tenents of other 'foreign' religions are far more important than sex ed, courses in bullying, and gender studies.

The ethical studies will lead to a fairer view and an understanding of differences as part of our world and an asset in our nations.

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To hell with a false vilification of religion vs. science. They are not incompatible with each other.

1/16/2016 8:53:00 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
I wonder why a second grade dropout is worried about school curriculums ?
Is the illiterate jester going back to school?



u sure he ever made it past pre-school/kindergarten?

1/16/2016 8:56:44 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I think if you were truly forthcoming, Clarence, it [evolution] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in creation.


I doubt jester could aever be truthful with dh or himself and it appears hes not making any effort to be truthful because truthful doesn't get him the hate and attention hes seeking when he comes to the threads! he's infatuated with himself he hes no friends probably no close family around that wants anything to do with him and etc. all he has is the internet and an account on dh to post with other then that he's really a nobody that basically has shitty mush fer brains

1/16/2016 9:03:20 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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u sure he ever made it past pre-school/kindergarten?


Yeah , no idiot left behind. They had to pass him he was 28 years old in kindergarten.

1/17/2016 5:54:49 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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If students are taught that the notion that humans evolved from lower species is a hypothesis only, and that the only real evidence for it is that amoebe sometimes evolve into paramecia, I have no problem with it

1/17/2016 7:02:34 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I think if you were truly forthcoming, Clarence, it [evolution] is true for you, because you believe it to be true, and want it to be true. Because you want to disbelieve in creation.


there is no place for the words science and believe to be used in the same sentence. to believe requires faith and faith has no place in the scientific method. evolution, or any scientific theory, can never be true or false. it's a field of scientific study.

1/17/2016 8:19:24 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
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If students are taught that the notion that humans evolved from lower species is a hypothesis only, and that the only real evidence for it is that amoebe sometimes evolve into paramecia, I have no problem with it


You also have no problem telling kids it was magic.

1/17/2016 10:33:17 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

nonstandard
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Our defiance of nature creates beasts . I want my children to know everything about nature .

1/17/2016 10:55:42 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

nonstandard
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Its not a ruse . The ruse , is to believe that adults can appear from thin air .

1/17/2016 6:17:17 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

ludlowlowell
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God created the universe, including human beings, not from thin air, but from nothing.

1/17/2016 7:26:20 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Of course, because it's more or less factual. The scientists don't yet have it exactly right, but they're close enough. The biblical version of creation, the idea that God created everything 6,000 years ago, or whatever is the current Christian idea about it, is flat out wrong.

God initiated the process, but it happened more or less the way science says, millions and billions of years ago. Evolution as science has it does not preclude God. It simply precludes the bible belief version. And some people confuse the bible with God. They are not the same. It's science's job to find out how God did it and they're doing that, slowly but surely.
it is.boy have u been decieved

1/18/2016 9:44:08 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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I think it is clear that God did not create the universe in six days of 24 hours---for one thing, according to Genesis God created the sun on the fourth day, so until the fourth day there was no such thing as a day. And I think it is clear that some lower species did in fact evolve into different species. But it does not follow from this that man evolved from a lower species.

1/18/2016 9:48:00 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I think it is clear that God did not create the universe in six days of 24 hours---for one thing, according to Genesis God created the sun on the fourth day, so until the fourth day there was no such thing as a day. And I think it is clear that some lower species did in fact evolve into different species. But it does not follow from this that man evolved from a lower species.


hmmmmmmm. explain the correlation between the sun and a 24 hr day after that Thursday.

1/18/2016 10:05:02 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

olderthandirt20
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Oh no here comes the flat earth set on pillars with the sun revolving around the central earth.( where you can be on top of a mountain and see all of the earth )

1/18/2016 12:34:31 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Your not talking about my views, Older. Who are you talking about?

1/18/2016 1:25:48 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

olderthandirt20
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The early catholic church, you know they put Galileo under house arrest?

On June 22, 1633, Galileo Galilei was put on trial at Inquisition headquarters in Rome. All of the magnificent power of the Roman Catholic Church seemed arrayed against the famous scientist. Under threat of torture, imprisonment and even burning at the stake, he was forced, on his knees, to "abjure, curse and detest" a lifetime of brilliant and dedicated thought and labor.

By then an old man of 69 who in his defense referred to his "pitiable state of bodily indisposition," Galileo was charged with "vehement suspicion of heresy." He had to renounce "with sincere heart and unfeigned faith" his belief that the sun, not Earth, was the center of the universe and that Earth moved around the sun and not vice versa, as ecclesiastical teaching dictated.

Because he was willing to do this, at least verbally, the more serious of the threats remained only that. As one of his punishments, for example, he was to recite the seven penitential psalms once a week for three years. He also was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.

Finally, his book, Dialogue on the Great World Systems, Ptolemaic and Copernican (1632), which lay at the heart of the trial, was added to the index of banned books, Index Librorum Prohibitorum, maintained by the Inquisition.

Ten cardinals sat in judgment of Galileo. Pope Urban VIII was not present in person, but he was there in spirit, for his personal feelings of anger and frustration were the driving force behind the extraordinary proceedings. Urban recognized just how seriously Galileo's new science challenged established church doctrine. Worse, Galileo had declared that the book of nature was written in the language of mathematics, not in biblical terms.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/horizon/sept98/galileo.htm

1/18/2016 6:08:54 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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I'll be the first to admit that Galileo got a raw deal from tge Catholic Church, but what has Galileo got to do with evolution? Did Galieo teach the evolution hypothesis?

1/18/2016 6:15:55 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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I'll be the first to admit that Galileo got a raw deal from tge Catholic Church, but what has Galileo got to do with evolution? Did Galieo teach the evolution hypothesis?


nothing but you haven't answered my question from earlier. what does the 24 hour day have to do with the sun that was created on the fourth day?

1/18/2016 6:16:43 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

olderthandirt20
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It means religion (in this case the catholic church) holds knowledge back like an anchor.
Just like you are about evolution ( even tho your pope says it (evolution) is true.
You and the other neanderthals are incapable of evolving.

1/18/2016 8:13:23 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Jrbogie, without a sun there is no sunlight, therefore there is no day. So when Genesis says that God created the sun on the fourth day, Genesis is admitting to being metaphorical.

This is not to say that God did not create the universe---I do firmly believe that He did.

"The Bible is not a scientific manual and should not be used in scientific disputes." --St. Augustine

1/18/2016 8:39:30 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

olderthandirt20
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I thought you guys said the bible was the word of god?
I thought god could not make mistakes.


1/18/2016 8:44:39 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

ludlowlowell
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God does not make mistakes but the Bible cannot be interpreted literally word for word---there are too many real and apparent contradictions in it. Bible interpretation is up to the Catholic Church, the only Church Jesus founded.

1/19/2016 6:55:56 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
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God does not make mistakes but the Bible cannot be interpreted literally word for word---there are too many real and apparent contradictions in it. Bible interpretation is up to the Catholic Church, the only Church Jesus founded.

Letting the Catholic church interpret the Bible for them may be okay for people who can't think for themselves, but not for others.

1/19/2016 7:07:19 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
clarence2
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God does not make mistakes

A biblical author disagrees with you there.

The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. (Genesis 6:6)



[Edited 1/19/2016 7:07:33 AM ]

1/19/2016 8:06:19 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jrbogie, without a sun there is no sunlight, therefore there is no day. So when Genesis says that God created the sun on the fourth day, Genesis is admitting to being metaphorical.

This is not to say that God did not create the universe---I do firmly believe that He did.

"The Bible is not a scientific manual and should not be used in scientific disputes." --St. Augustine
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but you referred to a twenty four hour day with no mention of sunlight. I realize the bible is not a scientific manual but if a day cannot happen without the sun which was created on the fourth day, why is there reference to the first day, second day, third day in the bible? you still haven't answered my question so let me rephrase. we say that a new day begins every 24 hours, agreed? what takes place every 24 hours that we measure as one day? what does this have to do with the sun?

1/19/2016 8:09:30 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

jrbogie1949
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they say that humans will never be able to travel to the sun but I figure if we go at night it won't be too hot.

1/19/2016 8:56:56 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
God created the universe, including human beings, not from thin air, but from nothing.


All physical matter contains what seems like nothing , and everything moves in it .

Nothing turned a mass of density , into a sea of motion .

1/19/2016 9:10:00 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

nonstandard
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We don't know what nothing is , but it created a universe , by filling it with space for physical matter to move , interact , and create .

Forces don't create the activity , activity creates the forces .

Humankind has always been mesmerized by the invisible side of physical matter .

1/19/2016 8:22:27 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Jrbogie brought up an interesting point: he implies that the first three "days" were each periods of 24 hours, even if there was no sunrise or sunset to mark off the day. I suppose that is possible, but in Catholicism we are taught that the creation story of Genesis may not all be literally true, that it is possible that the earth existed for eons before God created man, and that the Bible is not supposed to be a scientific manual. One can even believe in the evolution hypothesis and be a Cathokic in good standing, but I personnaly opine that that hypothesis is hogwash.

But the Church emphasizes that it was God Who created the universe, in whatever manner, and that Adam and Eve were real persons, and that they fell from grace, and that they are the progenitors of the entire human race---to deny any of these three teachings is considered heresy by the Church.



[Edited 1/19/2016 8:23:26 PM ]

1/19/2016 8:31:58 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

ludlowlowell
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"Nothing turned a mass of density, into a sea of motion," says Nonstandard. Actually, that is one of St. Thomas Aquinas' proofs that God exists. How, Thomas asks, could the universe have been put in motion except by a Higher Power. Nothing, Thomas argues, that is not in motion goes into motion on its own---some outside power has to put it in motion.

1/20/2016 8:50:35 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
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One can even believe in the evolution hypothesis and be a Cathokic in good standing, but I personnaly opine that that hypothesis is hogwash.

There's a certain logic in devout Christians rejecting evolution outright because it disproves the existence of Adam and Eve and means they must either admit to living a lie or manage the cognitive dissonance of simultaneously holding two contradictory beliefs. However, I'm certain you cannot justify your opinion that evolution is "hogwash" with reasoned argument. How long do you think it is since life was created, and where is the evidence that living organisms have remained unchanged since they were created in six days? And I think the Genesis fable does mean six days. This is why, after each day, the Genesis author writes "And there was evening and there was morning, the first/second/third/fourth/ fifth/sixth day." Yes, the sun wasn't created until day four, so this is slightly illogical, but I think the explanation is that it's a fable, and isn't supposed to be literally true or well thought out.

1/20/2016 9:07:09 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jrbogie brought up an interesting point: he implies that the first three "days" were each periods of 24 hours, even if there was no sunrise or sunset to mark off the day. I suppose that is possible, but in Catholicism we are taught that the creation story of Genesis may not all be literally true, that it is possible that the earth existed for eons before God created man, and that the Bible is not supposed to be a scientific manual. One can even believe in the evolution hypothesis and be a Cathokic in good standing, but I personnaly opine that that hypothesis is hogwash.

But the Church emphasizes that it was God Who created the universe, in whatever manner, and that Adam and Eve were real persons, and that they fell from grace, and that they are the progenitors of the entire human race---to deny any of these three teachings is considered heresy by the Church.


I implied nothing. it was you who said there can be no day without the sun. i'm still waiting for you to explain what a 24 hour day has to do with the sun. in other words, what happens over the twenty four hours that we call a day?

1/20/2016 11:45:13 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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The Catholic Church teaches that a Catholic must believe that Adam and Eve were real persons in order for that Catholic to remain a Catholic in good standing, but no pope or council has ever condemned the evolution hypothesis, so the evolutionists are not considered heretics. Pope John Paul II implied that he believed in it. But to believe that Adam and Eve were real people who evolved from a lower species would mean that onevbelieved that Adam's parents weren't quite human, but Adam somehow was. And then, at the exact same time in history, and within tge same locale, two subhuman parents just happened to give birth to Eve, who somehow was a human, a female version of Adam, that Adam and Eve somehow met and became a couple, and that no other subhuman parents anywhere in the world at any time in history gave birth to any humans quite like Adam and Eve. All that contains just a few too many coincidences for me, especially since there os no scientific evidence for it.

Maybe it could have happened that way, but in my personal opinion that---at best---stretches the limits of plausibility.

Do species change over generations? Of course they do. Did homo sapien? Absolutely---there is overwhelming evidence that human beings are much taller now than they were centurirs ago. But where is the evidence that one mammal species evolved so far that none of its members could produce offspring with the parent stock? Where is the evidence that one large mammal species ever evolved into another one? I can't prove it never happened, but the evolutionists have no evidence that it ever did. Evolutionism---the belief that the human race evolved from another species---does not even rise to the level of theory. It is an hypothesis only.

1/20/2016 6:57:51 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jrbogie, without a sun there is no sunlight, therefore there is no day. So when Genesis says that God created the sun on the fourth day, Genesis is admitting to being metaphorical.

This is not to say that God did not create the universe---I do firmly believe that He did.

"The Bible is not a scientific manual and should not be used in scientific disputes." --St. Augustine
wow this boy right here must be a scholar

1/21/2016 10:20:29 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Pope John Paul II implied that he believed in evolution but he didn't declare it to be doctrine. He couldn't, because the pope is not infallible on scientific matters. The Church is not against free scientific inquiry, the Galileo case being a case where a low-level Church commisssion overeacted. St. Augustine said, centuries before the Galieo case, that the Bible is not a scientific manual and should not be used in scientific disputes, a dictum ignored by that commission that investigated Galileo.

1/21/2016 10:34:06 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Jrbogie, the very definition of the word "hour" is one twenty-fourth of a mean solar day, in other words one twenty-fourth of a revolution of the earth. Without a sun, there is no day, and without a day there is no hour.

If one were a literalist about the Genesis creation story, one could argue that each of the first three creation days, though not technically days since there was no sun, lasted approximately what we would later measure as 24 hours. I don't really opine that the universe was created in six literal days, but what I just said would be a consistent and plausible argument for those who do take Genesis literally.

1/21/2016 10:56:35 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jrbogie, the very definition of the word "hour" is one twenty-fourth of a mean solar day, in other words one twenty-fourth of a revolution of the earth. Without a sun, there is no day, and without a day there is no hour.

If one were a literalist about the Genesis creation story, one could argue that each of the first three creation days, though not technically days since there was no sun, lasted approximately what we would later measure as 24 hours. I don't really opine that the universe was created in six literal days, but what I just said would be a consistent and plausible argument for those who do take Genesis literally.


what does a revolution of the earth have to do with the sun? you still haven't answered the question? perhaps if you'll answer this instead. what does the earth revolve about each twenty four hours? it's a question a fifth grade science student would be able to answer in a snap. of course the answer cannot be found in the bible, the bible not being a science text as you say.

1/21/2016 5:08:49 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

ludlowlowell
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I see your point, Jr.

1/21/2016 7:40:53 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I see your point, Jr.


great. after all those posts we can agree on what a day is. so moving on, finally, you say that you don't take genesis literally, and that the universe wasn't created in six 24 hour days, why would the bible that was supposedly written by people who really want everybody to know everything about god say it took only six days? we know that the earth's rotation is slowing so if anything days were shorter back in the time.

1/21/2016 8:47:12 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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The whole point of tge Genesis story is that God created everything out of nothing, that Adam and Eve were real people, that they fell from grace, and that they are the progenitors of the human race.

1/21/2016 10:04:20 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The whole point of tge Genesis story is that God created everything out of nothing, that Adam and Eve were real people, that they fell from grace, and that they are the progenitors of the human race.


Where you born stupid or did you have brain damage?

1/21/2016 10:24:02 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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1/21/2016 10:33:54 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
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Quote from aphrodisianus:
Where you born stupid or did you have brain damage?


Was the word 'where' used instead of the word 'were' to belittle someone in accordance to their intelligence? Lmao.



[Edited 1/21/2016 10:34:15 PM ]

1/21/2016 10:49:04 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Yes, and any and all theories.

But I also believe that a world religions class should also be taught.

And also believe world politics should be taught, which includes all major systems.

That is what education is all about, learning about others, debate and igniting curiousity in their minds.

What good is it, to only teach about what you believe? Sooner or later the child is going to run across other beliefs. And the ability to make up their own minds is important.

Of course, it should be taught.

1/22/2016 7:53:10 AM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

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Quote from isna_la_wica:
Yes, and any and all theories.

But I also believe that a world religions class should also be taught.

And also believe world politics should be taught, which includes all major systems.

That is what education is all about, learning about others, debate and igniting curiousity in their minds.

What good is it, to only teach about what you believe? Sooner or later the child is going to run across other beliefs. And the ability to make up their own minds is important.

Of course, it should be taught.





Stellar post!!

1/22/2016 1:43:50 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The whole point of tge Genesis story is that God created everything out of nothing, that Adam and Eve were real people, that they fell from grace, and that they are the progenitors of the human race.


but you said yourself the genesis should not be taken literally. so why question that the universe was created in only six days and not question that god made everything from nothing. been awhile since I read genesis but does it say that god made everything from nothing?

1/22/2016 1:51:19 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

thekinghasrisen
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Kids go to church to learn what to think. They go to school to learn 'how' to think. Evolution isn't taught because it is a truth with supporting data. It is taught because it is a demonstration of how data can lead us to much of the truths we embrace as a forward (as in the opposite of backward) culture.

I'm all about teaching our kinds 'how to think'.

1/22/2016 6:00:35 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  

ludlowlowell
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.. but kids should be instructed that evolution, at least the evolution of human from lower species, is just a hypothesis, not a proven fact.

1/22/2016 6:08:28 PM Do u believe in teaching evolution in school  
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
.. but kids should be instructed that evolution, at least the evolution of human from lower species, is just a hypothesis, not a proven fact.

Evolution is both fact *and* theory. The fact of evolution is that all organisms derive from a single common ancestor that lived around 3.8 billion years ago and that species are not fixed, but change and diversify into new species over deep time, and the theory of evolution is the explanation of how these changes happen.