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cjsassy72
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Who Are You?
Are you a true Christian?
Are you a false Christian?
A pseudo-Christian or a "Bible-ist"?
I've noticed being around DH for little over a year and of course & out side of DH, living in a real life I met so many people called themselves true Christians but they don't act like Christians.
I think I met more pseudo-Christians and Bible-ist....
or they say they are Christians but they are confused. They don't know how they should live like Christians because they are stuck in past or worrying about what others think about them being Christians.
What do you think?
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ludlowlowell
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Some walk the walk, others only talk the talk, but we leave all that up to God to decide.
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rtay
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cjsassy72 , Good Topic
EPHESIANS 5
1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9(for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
You can tell authentic christian by their fruit: goodness,righteousness and truth.
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
A lot of Scriptures contain both doctrine and duty. rt.
You will find a lot of people want a Savior,but not a Lord and Master.If you look in the Goodspeed Bible the word servant is slave (doulos).Most Bibles use the word servant or bond-servant.
I am a slave of Christ:I am chosen,bought,protected,rewarded,and called a Friend.rt
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cupocheer
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What do think, OP?
Not being rude, just asking.
You express your opinion.
You pose several questions for we Christians to mull over and elaborate on but I, for one, am curious what you think?
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wsprs0nthewind
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Is a pseudo Christian going to announce they are a fake. Just hang around and watch the forum. You can tell who is real and who is not.
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ludlowlowell
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The pseudo-Christian believes in his heart that he is a true Christian. He might be you and he might be me. Contrary to what some denominations teach none of us are guaranteed salvation.
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kb2222
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True Christians are the ones who are striving to know and believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him. True Christians know that Jesus would no more order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for any reason let alone all those absurd OT reasons for doing so believed and taught by the Pharisees who rejected and killed Him.
In other words, true Christian followers of Jesus are those who reject all scripture included in the bible compiled by the church that is incompatiblewith the teachings of Jesus.
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Would Urantia god #345,777 order it? Or Urantia god #433,606? I heard he was a real bear.
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You are absolutely corrupt to spew out this garbage, Ludlow. and you exemplify over and over the abomination of the teachings of the Catholic Church teaching among things that the way to Christ-consciousness is through ritual cannibalism.
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ludlowlowell
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So KB, let me get this straight---if I believe in one God, and eat His Body and drink His Blood like He commanded, I'm not a true Christian, but if I believe in racism, eugenics, and 700,000 gods, I am a true Christian?
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Everything you say/claim is a lie, ludlow. You are absolutely corrupt to spew out this garbage, Ludlow. and you exemplify over and over the abomination of the teachings of the Catholic Church teaching among things that the way to Christ-consciousness is through ritual cannibalism.
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cjsassy72
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What do think, OP?
Not being rude, just asking.
You express your opinion.
You pose several questions for we Christians to mull over and elaborate on but I, for one, am curious what you think?
I'm a Christian.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
I was baptized.
I'm reading & learning what the Bible says about being a true Christian.
I know it's hard to be true Christian but I'm trying.
I'm open minded. I accept people as who they are, what they believe & lifestyle.
I don't force others to read the Bible or become a Christian.
I try to follow what Jesus trying to teach us, He told us not to judge & love one another.
I could tell you more about me but I guess that will do for now.
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cjsassy72
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pseudo-Christian:
1)One who sincerely believes he or she is Christian and even has a level of "righteousness" in their actions but is really motivated by their own selfish interpretation of the unselfish Christian scriptures. The selfishness is deeprooted and they honestly don't see it. WARNING: this type can be dangerous to your health. If you are a regular Christian they will find something to nitpick of your faith and berate you over your 'false belief'. These people are NOT to be confused with honest real Christians who try to lead a good life.
2) One who uses the trappings of a Christian believer to attain something he otherwise couldn't (ie a Christian music leader claiming faith in Christ so he can join the Christian music group and gain a level of respect)
3) a heretic (ie the early Gnostics saw themselves as Christian though they're belifs had no consistency with universally accepted Christian doctrine as outlined in the scriptures and the Nicene Creed (which all Christians Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, American Evangelicals etc accept)
•Pseudo-Christians can also be called "Bible-ists". Bible-ists interpret some version of the Bible in whatever manner suits their beliefs. The Bible is not, as the Bible-ists would have others believe, the "Word of God".
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kb2222
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Well, OP, I would appreciate your comment(s) on my post.
True Christians are the ones who are striving to know and believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him. True Christians know that Jesus would no more order man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for any reason let alone all those absurd OT reasons for doing so believed and taught by the Pharisees who rejected and killed Him.
In other words, true Christian followers of Jesus are those who reject all scripture included in the bible compiled by the church that is incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.
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kb2222
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The Bible is not, as the Bible-ists would have others believe, the "Word of God".
Absolutely true. I applaud your wisdom. 
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cjsassy72
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true Christian followers of Jesus doesn't reject what it says in the Bible.
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I am not real keen on having all these labels. I just consider myself to belong to Him.
I am His.
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cupocheer
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true Christian followers of Jesus don't reject what it says in the Bible.
Fixed it for you.
Which Bible, OP?
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followjesusonly
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Would Urantia god #345,777 order it? Or Urantia god #433,606? I heard he was a real bear.
From whom did you hear that "Urantia god #433,606" was a real bear?
Either name the person you heard it from, or acknowledge that you are simply a liar.
smart aleck (Ludlow): an obnoxiously conceited and self-assertive person with pretensions to smartness or cleverness
ignorant: 1 : lacking knowledge 2 : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence 3 : UNAWARE : UNINFORMED Synonyms benighted, illiterate, uneducated, unlettered, untutored
Since Jesus says that you don't even love God, I suspect that lying comes pretty easy for you.
Jesus: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24)
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1Jn 2:4)
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cjsassy72
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Fixed it for you.
Which Bible, OP?
Thanks
I thought you are Christian? Do I have to tell you which Bible? There are many different versions of the Bible....
King James Version (KJV)
the New International Version (NIV)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
New King James Version (NKJV).....
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followjesusonly
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Some walk the walk, others only talk the talk, but we leave all that up to God to decide.
Some obey God and some refuse to do so and instead defy God and do exactly what God said not to do.
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
Gen_3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Paraphrased for 2016:
And the LORD God said unto the man, What is this that thou hast done? And the man said, The serpent beguiled me, and I disobeyed You and called priests, "Father" even though You specifically said not to do that.
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cjsassy72
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I am not real keen on having all these labels. I just consider myself to belong to Him.
I am His.
Yes, we belong to him.
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followjesusonly
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The pseudo-Christian believes in his heart that he is a true Christian. He might be you and he might be me. Contrary to what some denominations teach none of us are guaranteed salvation.
You are wrong:
188:4.9 Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. -The Urantia Book
You and your church would have everyone hanging in some zombie-like state of uncertainty about their survival status and slavishly doing all the church rituals to be sure they were in some church approved "state of grace" at the very minute of mortal death.
But Jesus says, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (Luke 12:32)
You are a pseudo Christian. You refuse to even obey God. Why would God allow someone into Heaven (the mansions) who willfully refused to obey Him here on earth?
"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
Jesus: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)
"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24)
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1Jn 2:4)
And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24)
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followjesusonly
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So KB, let me get this straight---if I believe in one God, and eat His Body and drink His Blood like He commanded,
Jesus never commanded that. 900 million Protestants don't believe that primitive, barbaric interpretation of the scriptures. Just because your church adopted the forms of Mithraism doesn't mean it's right.
195:9.11 The stream of modern Christianity drains many an ancient pagan swamp and many a barbarian morass; many olden cultural watersheds drain into this present-day cultural stream as well as the high Galilean tablelands which are supposed to be its exclusive source. -The Urantia Book
I'm not a true Christian, but if I believe in racism, eugenics, and 700,000 gods, I am a true Christian?
You don't know what you're talking about, is your problem. You are an ignorant man. And no, you're not a true Christian because you refuse to stop calling your priests, "Father" as Jesus commanded.
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cjsassy72
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I accept your opinion.
We believe in different ways.
You are going by your believes from The Urantia Book & I go by mine.
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followjesusonly
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I accept your opinion.
We believe in different ways.
You are going by your believes from The Urantia Book & I go by mine.
All my posts have been replies to Ludlow. I have not addressed anything you have posted or contended with anything you have said here. I do not know what your beliefs are.
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cjsassy72
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We need to remember that there are many different Bibles & books about Jesus & God.
Does your Bible says judge one another & call them names?
I don't think so.
So lets be nice to each other and stop calling names please.
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cjsassy72
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All my posts have been replies to Ludlow. I have not addressed anything you have posted or contended with anything you have said here. I do not know what your beliefs are.
Sorry, I forgot to include Ludlow too.....
It seems like you both disagrees alot about your believes. I think we need to some what learn to understand each others believes.....
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followjesusonly
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We need to remember that there are many different Bibles & books about Jesus & God.
Does your Bible says judge one another & call them names?
I don't think so.
So lets be nice to each other and stop calling names please.
Ludlow does not love God, according to Jesus. Ludlow REFUSES to obey God. Someone who refuses to obey God is a fool. That's not calling names, it's no different than calling a shovel a shovel.
You and I may believe the same things, I don't know. I believe in God. I believe Jesus is God's divine Son. I believe in the Trinity, Father, Son, and Spirit. I believe in the Crucifixion and the Resurrection. I believe Jesus is the Savior. Do you believe all those things? If so, then we believe the same things.
Feel free to block me from your thread if you like, it's not a problem, but I am cannot let Ludlow go unchallenged. He lies and he doesn't even love God according to Jesus. Evil must be confronted when it tries to influence others. Ludlow's entire church, which I hope is not your church, is an abomination.
"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
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cjsassy72
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Yes I believe in Jesus & my only heavenly father. I believe what you believe.
I'm not going to block you for what you are saying...
Remember that if other person can't not understand what you believe....sometimes you have to let it go & let them figure it out.
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kb2222
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true Christian followers of Jesus doesn't reject what it says in the Bible.
Didn't you just post..
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The Bible is not, as the Bible-ists would have others believe, the "Word of God".
Please explain this apparent contradiction.
80% of the Bible (OT) are the beliefs of those who rejected and killed Jesus. Jesus didn't believe like those who rejected and killed Him and if you profess to be a Christian neither should you.
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Cj, FJO, by his own admission, believes in only the parts of tge Bible where Jesus is speaking directly, and he rejects even a lot of that, i.e. he doesn't believe in Hell and he thinks abortion and extramarital sex are okay.
FJO believes in the Urantia Book, a book published in 1955 that claims to have been inspired by extra-terristial beings but which was moat probably written by William S. Sadler, a well-known racist and eugenicists. The Urantia Book says that Jesus is only one of 700,000 "creator-sons" of God (in other words it says tgere are 700,000 gods). It says that young people should study eugenics, and it says that the "inferior and degenerate strains of civilized peoples" should not procreate. It doesn't say who these "inferior and degenerate strains" are but I think you can figure it out.
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Ludlow, do you believe Jesus (who according to the Bible was the "only Begotten Son of God" WOULD (not did) but WOULD order man to kill people, to stone and burn them to death at the stake for all these OT reasons:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
Yes or No, Ludlow?
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Cj, FJO, by his own admission, believes in only the parts of tge Bible where Jesus is speaking directly, and he rejects even a lot of that, i.e. he doesn't believe in Hell and he thinks abortion and extramarital sex are okay.
Ludlow the liar who Jesus says does not even love God, starts in lying by telling people what he says I believe, while he rejects "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
And no, I don't reject anything that Jesus said.
No one in the world thinks that abortion is "OK." No one that I know of. Please stop lying, lud, and you have so many ways of doing it. You are so clever, you think that you are fooling God. That's the sign of a fool.
I just checked the bible and the term "extramarital sex" is not in it. Nor is "purgatory" or "pope" and a lot of the other words Ludlow uses.
One thing that is in it, however is this: "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
But Ludlow refuses to obey Jesus because his church tells him not to obey Jesus. Ludlow has put his church above God. What sort of church that claims to be founded by Jesus and claims to be "infallible" would tell its followers to disobey and defy Jesus?
FJO believes in the Urantia Book, a book published in 1955 that claims to have been inspired by extra-terristial beings but which was moat probably written by William S. Sadler, a well-known racist and eugenicists.
Ludlow has not read The Urantia Book. The Urantia Book does not claim to be inspired by
"extra-terristial" beings as Ludlow says. Isna made that same mistake the other day, and that's probably where Ludlow picked it up from. Ludlow is a liar. He is desperate to change the subject from his willful and deliberate disobedience and defiance of God, to just about anything else. The best way for him to do that is to attack someone or something. It's Ludlow's "Don't look over here, look over there" game. The authors are all given in the book and no humans, Dr. Sadler included, are among them. The Revelators are determined not to precipitate another Paul situation where a mere human's words become known as "the word of God." Even Paul would probably roll over in his grave at that idea.
The Urantia Book says that Jesus is only one of 700,000 "creator-sons" of God (in other words it says tgere are 700,000 gods).
Ludlow has not read The Urantia Book. There are no "gods" in The Urantia Book.
It says that young people should study eugenics, and it says that the "inferior and degenerate strains of civilized peoples" should not procreate.
Ludlow has not read The Urantia Book. Ask him if he has. The term "inferior and degenerate strains of civilized peoples" is not in The Urantia Book, and it's not in the book with relation to the word "procreate." And eugenics is simply a science like astronomy and biology. Yes, young people should study science along with ethics, sociology, philosophy, the fine arts, religion, and cosmology. It's [eugenics] the science of the improvement of the human race. Ludlow apparently has stock in wheel chair companies and would like human suffering and genetic diseases to continue. Nor does The Urantia Book say that young people should study eugenics. I just read it, it doesn't say what Ludlow says it says. Ludlow is dishonest and doesn't really care if he misrepresents others or their beliefs correctly. There are many ways to lie.
It doesn't say who these "inferior and degenerate strains" are but I think you can figure it out.
You can't even figure out what "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) means.
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PS, CJ.
The only way this is going to stop on your thread is if you block one or both of us.
Feel free to do so. I'm OK with it.
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Through Jesus, I have been adopted the into the family of God, with all the rights and privileges thereof. Through Jesus, I am at peace with God. The Kingdom lives in me, Hallelujah! I am loath to define others as true believers or not, but for myself I know I didn't become real until I accepted the gift Jesus gave me, his wonderful love. I was changed for real, a new birth happened. No matter what, I have joy deep inside. I wish all would accept the gift, and come into right relationship with God. When the heart changes, you love more. You love God more, and your neighbor.
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isna_la_wica
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I like to consider my self as being a Christ Follower.
But have my doubts how well I do that, and have to question my self every day.
This topic reminds me of Luke 9:
"46 And there entered a reasoning among them, this, Who may be greater of them?
47 and Jesus having seen the reasoning of their heart, having taken hold of a child, set him beside himself,
48 and said to them, `Whoever may receive this child in my name, doth receive me, and whoever may receive me, doth receive Him who sent me, for he who is least among you all -- he shall be great.'
49 And John answering said, `Master, we saw a certain one in thy name casting forth the demons, and we forbade him, because he doth not follow with us;'
50 and Jesus said unto him, `Forbid not, for he who is not against us, is for us.'
Now I have no doubts at all about my Salvation, or that I am adopted by the Lord.
But how good am I at that? Do I really do things because I am inspired by the Lord, or self ego? In my work right now, I have to question many questions of morality, and whether the greater good really excuses acts that some would refuse to do.
So, yep, do have my doubts. But then again I look at it this way. It is easy to live a prim and proper life, if you do not do any thing. Its when you do try and help, that you get mired in the problems of the world. So do not think it is wrong, to have doubts.
Paul questioned him self, Peter had too, Thomas did,,,So I think it may be proper to have doubts.
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Through Jesus, I have been adopted the into the family of God, with all the rights and privileges thereof. Through Jesus, I am at peace with God. The Kingdom lives in me, Hallelujah! I am loath to define others as true believers or not, but for myself I know I didn't become real until I accepted the gift Jesus gave me, his wonderful love. I was changed for real, a new birth happened. No matter what, I have joy deep inside. I wish all would accept the gift, and come into right relationship with God. When the heart changes, you love more. You love God more, and your neighbor.
And THAT IS the gospel of the kingdom, none other. Bravo!:
"...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? [Jesus] said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And [Jesus] said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. (Luke 10:25-28)
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| 1/21/2016 12:41:34 AM |
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cjsassy72
Berthoud, CO
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@ kb...
Jesus chosen to die for our sins. We didn't asked him to die. Because he loved us so much, he sacrificed himself.
Jesus “loved us and gave himself up for us” (Ephesians 5:2)
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| 1/21/2016 2:18:56 AM |
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followjesusonly
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@ kb...
Jesus chosen to die for our sins. We didn't asked him to die. Because he loved us so much, he sacrificed himself.
Jesus “loved us and gave himself up for us” (Ephesians 5:2)
CJ, nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever say that the gospel is that He came to die for our sins. Nowhere does it say that Jesus and the 12 preached the "He came to die for our sins" gospel to the people while Jesus was alive. Look:
"And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." (Matthew 9:35)
"And it came to pass... that Jesus went throughout every city and village, preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him..." (Luke 8:1)
The bible says above that Jesus and the 12 real apostles went from town to town preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and the glad tidings of the kingdom of God:
At the feeding of the 5,000 it says:
"And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children." (Matthew 14:21)
5,000 men, plus women and children. That means there were upwards of 10,000 people there, maybe more. Jesus and the 12 were not telling them that the gospel, the good news, the glad tidings, was that He had come to die for their sins. You can believe that if you like, but it's nothing that Jesus ever taught.
That "gospel" does not come from Jesus, it is the derivation of mere men who came later.
Jesus tells us exactly why he came to earth:
“To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.” (John 18:37)
You quote Ephesians above. That's Paul. Paul was not one of Jesus' personally chosen and trained apostles. In fact, Paul never met Jesus or knew Him while Jesus was alive. Jesus certainly never mentioned Paul.
"Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth..." Mat 10:2-5
Paul's name is not among them.
Four times at least in the New Testament, Paul has to tell people that he is not lying:
1Ti 2:7 Where unto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Who else in the bible has to reassure his audience that he is not lying?
And then Paul says: "Being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2Co 12:16)
Why would you believe Paul about anything? Paul is not mentioned in the bible until Paul shows up talking about Paul.
Did you ever look into getting a book?
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| 1/21/2016 2:23:58 AM |
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erikbenn
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Who Are You?
Are you a true Christian?
Are you a false Christian?
A pseudo-Christian or a "Bible-ist"?
I've noticed being around DH for little over a year and of course & out side of DH, living in a real life I met so many people called themselves true Christians but they don't act like Christians.
I think I met more pseudo-Christians and Bible-ist....
or they say they are Christians but they are confused. They don't know how they should live like Christians because they are stuck in past or worrying about what others think about them being Christians.
What do you think?
Let my actions speak for me.
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| 1/21/2016 8:51:57 AM |
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kb2222
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Quote from cjsassy72:
true Christian followers of Jesus doesn't reject what it says in the Bible.
Didn't you just post..
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The Bible is not, as the Bible-ists would have others believe, the "Word of God".
Please explain this apparent contradiction.
80% of the Bible (OT) are the beliefs of those who rejected and killed Jesus. Jesus didn't believe like those who rejected and killed Him and if you profess to be a Christian neither should you.
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| 1/21/2016 8:59:08 AM |
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Equalizer21
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We need to remember that there are many different Bibles & books about Jesus & God.
Does your Bible says judge one another & call them names?
I don't think so.
So lets be nice to each other and stop calling names please.
Hi classy 
You say you believe the bible. Do you believe this scripture?
Romans 16:17
[ Avoid Divisive Persons ] Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.8 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus[d] Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
For instance the urantians are causing divisions in the forum,and offensive behaviours, like blaspheming Jesus, and saying he didn't die for our sins.......
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| 1/21/2016 9:27:29 AM |
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kb2222
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Hi classy
You say you believe the bible. Do you believe this scripture?
Romans 16:17
[ Avoid Divisive Persons ] Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.8 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus[d] Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
For instance the urantians are causing divisions in the forum,and offensive behaviours, like blaspheming Jesus, and saying he didn't die for our sins.......
80% of the Bible (OT) are the beliefs of those who rejected and killed Jesus. Jesus didn't believe like those who rejected and killed Him and if you profess to be a Christian neither should you.
Jesus didn't die for our sins. He died because He was crucified by the self-righteous Jewish Priests who rejected His teachings, considered Him a troublemaker, and charged Him with blasphemy. To believe this rejection and crucifixion was God's will/plan is downright satanic foolishness. To believe God is unwilling to forgive man for sin until he has received a blood sacrifice from the innocent, that God willed/planed/orchestrated man to sin by killing Jesus to save man from sin is illogical murderous nonsense.
Have you not any common sense? Would you not forgive the sin of your neighbor until you have killed your Son? God's not depraved. You closed-minded church indoctrinated book worshipers are if you believe God caused man to sin (murder) His Son to save man from sin.
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Equalizer21
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80% of the Bible (OT) are the beliefs of those who rejected and killed Jesus. Jesus didn't believe like those who rejected and killed Him and if you profess to be a Christian neither should you.
Jesus didn't die for our sins. He died because He was crucified by the self-righteous Jewish Priests who rejected His teachings, considered Him a troublemaker, and charged Him with blasphemy. To believe this rejection and crucifixion was God's will/plan is downright satanic foolishness. To believe God is unwilling to forgive man for sin until he has received a blood sacrifice from the innocent, that God willed/planed/orchestrated man to sin by killing Jesus to save man from sin is illogical murderous nonsense.
Have you not any common sense? Would you not forgive the sin of your neighbor until you have killed your Son? God's not depraved. You closed-minded church indoctrinated book worshipers are if you believe God caused man to sin (murder) His Son to save man from sin.
oh shoot I forgot kb took me off block.........I forgot to block him.
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| 1/21/2016 10:23:08 AM |
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slowpoke7
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THANK YOU JESUS For Shedding Your Precious Blood On The Cross For Sinners Like Me.
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| 1/21/2016 10:39:10 AM |
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kb2222
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oh shoot I forgot kb took me off block.........I forgot to block him.
I see no reply to the substance of what I said. Why is that? Go ahead and block me if you can't stand the truth about God. That just shows how much Satan has gained influence over you.
Ditto, slowpoke. He can't even bring himself to answer a single question truthfully yet he claims to be a Christian. Satan has shut his mind to the Spirit of Truth that speaks within so he can't stand to speak truthfully.
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| 1/21/2016 11:01:23 AM |
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slowpoke7
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OH - don't be so hard on yourself kb.
Jesus shed his blood for all of man kind so that includes you also.
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| 1/21/2016 11:04:58 AM |
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kb2222
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OH - don't be so hard on yourself kb.
Jesus shed his blood for all of man kind so that includes you also.
Why are you are speaking unresponsive nonsense to my post?
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| 1/21/2016 11:26:19 AM |
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slowpoke7
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Why are you are speaking unresponsive nonsense to my post?
Why are you not showing respect and gratitude by praising Jesus for shedding His blood for people like me and you?
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| 1/21/2016 11:54:20 AM |
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kb2222
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Why are you not showing respect and gratitude by praising Jesus for shedding His blood for people like me and you?
As I said:
80% of the Bible (OT) are the beliefs of those who rejected and killed Jesus. Jesus didn't believe like those who rejected and killed Him and if you profess to be a Christian neither should you.
Jesus didn't die for our sins. He died because He was crucified by the self-righteous Jewish Priests who rejected His teachings, considered Him a troublemaker, and charged Him with blasphemy. To believe this rejection and crucifixion was God's will/plan is downright satanic foolishness. To believe God is unwilling to forgive man for sin until he has received a blood sacrifice from the innocent, that God willed/planed/orchestrated man to sin by killing Jesus to save man from sin is illogical murderous nonsense.
Have you not any common sense? Would you not forgive the sin of your neighbor until you have killed your Son? God's not depraved. You closed-minded church indoctrinated book worshipers are if you believe God caused man to sin (murder) His Son to save man from sin.
God is not a murderer, slowpoke. And He doesn't demand a blood sacrifice before He will forgive man for sin. Your belief and teaching about God to your brethren is BLASPHEMOUS.
Respond to what I said and state your disagreement if Satan has not tied your tongue and rendered you incapable of intelligent discourse, slowpoke.
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slowpoke7
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God is not a murderer, slowpoke. And He doesn't demand a blood sacrifice before He will forgive man for sin. Your belief and teaching about God to your brethren is BLASPHEMOUS.
Respond to what I said and state your disagreement if Satan has not tied your tongue and rendered you incapable of intelligent discourse, slowpoke.
Well kb - it is your choice to believe whatever you want to. You believe in the Urantia Book and I do NOT so it looks like we have different views of what is true or not so it sure looks like a stalemate to me.
Maybe someone else will answer your questions the way you want them to.
Good Luck
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| 1/21/2016 12:22:12 PM |
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kb2222
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Quote and respond to what I said and state your disagreement if Satan has not tied your tongue and rendered you incapable of intelligent discourse, slowpoke.
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ludlowlowell
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KB, can't you see that the notion of 700,000 "creator sons" of the Urantia Book is a throwback to pagan pantheism, and that its talk of inferior and degenerate strains of peoples is straight from Nazism? William Sadler was well known as a racist, was he not?
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| 1/21/2016 12:30:08 PM |
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slowpoke7
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Quote and respond to what I said and state your disagreement if Satan has not tied your tongue and rendered you incapable of intelligent discourse, slowpoke.
Sorry kb - Maybe someone else will play your game and answer your questions The Way You Want Them To.
Good Luck
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| 1/21/2016 1:59:30 PM |
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followjesusonly
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KB, can't you see that the notion of 700,000 "creator sons" of the Urantia Book is a throwback to pagan pantheism, and that its talk of inferior and degenerate strains of peoples is straight from Nazism? William Sadler was well known as a racist, was he not?
Creator Sons must be capitalized. Creator Sons are all God, just like Jesus. It's in the bible:
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Louie, are you there? Can you explain to your stablemate (even though he said you are a heretic) that not everyone is created equal except in the spiritual sense, that people and races are different, and that some people are in fact, degenerates? That's why we have the word "degenerate." Look, it's right there in the Merriam Webster:
degenerate:
1.
having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.
I wonder why there is such a word, if, as Ludlow imagines, there is no such thing as a degenerate.
Inferior? Another word that is not politically correct. Ludlow, could you beat Bobby Fischer in chess? Could you write music like Mozart? Could you imagine E=mc2 on your own? Can you run the sub 4 minute mile? What can you do that's exceptional other than drive a cab? You are inferior to someone in mental and physical abilities, Lud, and probably to lots of someones.
Yes, Lud, it's true. There are inferior and degenerate strains of human beings. All the races have them. Now don't cry about it, be a big boy.
And if you're going to bear false witness against William Sadler, that's your business, but I think that by the standards of the age he lived in, he was not a racist. Why don't you provide some proof? Would that be too much to ask, too much work for you, to substantiate your false witness against someone you don't even know?
I have a racist question for you, Lud. If, left to their own devices, if there were no other people on earth, how long, how many thousands of years or tens of thousands of years, do you think it would take for these people below, these Pygmies, to send a man to the Moon or write Mozart's Symphony No. 40 in G Minor?
Tell me true, Lud. Would you want one of these people to marry your sister, maybe the one on the left? If not, why not?
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| 1/21/2016 2:06:34 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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Well kb - it is your choice to believe whatever you want to. You believe in the Urantia Book and I do NOT...
But why don't you, Slow? Is it because you haven't read it? No one expects you to believe something or anything you haven't read. Is it because your mind is made up, closed? How can the Spirit of Truth guide you to new truth under those circumstances? Don't you see that you put up a "KEEP OUT" sign to the Spirit of Truth with the attitude that you already have all the truth and that you will not accept any new truth that conflicts with what you already believe? Did Jesus waste His time sending the Spirit of Truth as far as you're concerned? Have you never simply awakened in the morning with a new truth insight in your mind that was not there the night before?  
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| 1/21/2016 2:58:29 PM |
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Maybe Slowpoke believes in only one God, FJO, and doesn't have the time to read pagan books.
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| 1/21/2016 3:52:47 PM |
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slowpoke7
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But why don't you, Slow? Is it because you haven't read it? No one expects you to believe something or anything you haven't read.
No furch - reading it has nothing to do with whether it is the truth or not. Since I truly believe that several things in the Urantia Book is not true then reading the rest of it does not mean the things I disagree with will all of a sudden becomes true.
Is it because your mind is made up, closed?
What about you? Isn’t your mind made up and closed to what others say that see things different than you do because you think you are the one with the whole truth?
How can the Spirit of Truth guide you to new truth under those circumstances?
First of all exactly what are you referring to when you use the term “new” truth? That sounds like you are implying that something that was true way back when all of a sudden becomes a lie.
Don't you see that you put up a "KEEP OUT" sign to the Spirit of Truth with the attitude that you already have all the truth and that you will not accept any new truth that conflicts with what you already believe?
It sure looks like you also have a "KEEP OUT” sign because it conflicts with what YOU already believe. So how are you any different from anyone else?
Did Jesus waste His time sending the Spirit of Truth as far as you're concerned? Have you never simply awakened in the morning with a new truth insight in your mind that was not there the night before?
There you go again using the term “new” truth.
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| 1/21/2016 4:04:11 PM |
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followjesusonly
Kingman, AZ
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KB, can't you see that the notion of 700,000 "creator sons" of the Urantia Book is a throwback to pagan pantheism, and that its talk of inferior and degenerate strains of peoples is straight from Nazism? William Sadler was well known as a racist, was he not?
Oh my God, Mommy, you lied to me. You said there were no "degenerates," and yet, there the word is right there in the dictionary with a definition. Mommy, oh mommy, why did you lie? If there were no degenerates, why is that word in the dictionary, mommy? What does this mean, Mommy?
degenerate:
having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.
Mommy, please call the dictionary people up and tell them to remove the word degenerate from their book. And tell them to take out the word "inferior" too, Mommy. Who do those bad dictionary people think they are, disagreeing with you, Mommy? If you don't call them, mommy and make them remove those words, I'm going to see if the Politically Correct Police will go and burn down their book factory.
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