Eventually, Gardner comes to the science of the UB. If the UB really were an extraterrestrial revelation, it should accurately describe our universe. It fails this test miserably. The UB claims the universe is over one trillion years old; most scientists date it at about 15 billion years (186). The temperature it assigns to the sun’s surface is off by thousands of degrees (190); it falsely says that Mercury keeps the same face towards the sun (196). The UB teaches that humans have 48 chromosomes; it should be 46 (217). Atoms supposedly cannot possess more than 100 electrons; this “limit” was broken in 1955, as any periodic table will confirm (214).

Kb & I have debated the chromosome to the point of we just can't agree, any input you have would be appreciated.

No I know I can't dictate others response I can only ask not demand, if you don't want to respond honestly, that's up to each individual poster.
And the reason I posted the cut & paste was because It was what I read and it gave me reason to doubt the papers.
I thought you or others might want to address the issue, however if you choose to not give an honest answer that is your prerogative, it's no skin off my back.

I was sure you would be on the defencive after you were "forced to unblock" me.
As for your last post, that's fine like I said I can't force you to engage in the topic in an intelligent way nor would I wish to force anything upon you.
But thank you for your initial post in this thread.

I was playing nice with Cup, and next thing you know she blocked me

I'm guessing she wasn't having fun with that

@ lmarcox3 Since you seem to be the strongest supporter in this thread for the urantia book I am curious how you reconcile the misstated facts contained in the book?

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-101-real-nature-religion
4. The Limitations of Revelation

101:4.1 (1109.2) Because your world is generally ignorant of origins, even of physical origins, it has appeared to be wise from time to time to provide instruction in cosmology. And always has this made trouble for the future. The laws of revelation hamper us greatly by their proscription of the impartation of unearned or premature knowledge. Any cosmology presented as a part of revealed religion is destined to be outgrown in a very short time. Accordingly, future students of such a revelation are tempted to discard any element of genuine religious truth it may contain because they discover errors on the face of the associated cosmologies therein presented.

101:4.2 (1109.3) Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.

101:4.3 (1109.4) Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.

101:4.4 (1109.5) In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.

101:4.5 (1109.6) Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:

101:4.6 (1109.7) 1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.

101:4.7 (1109.8) 2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.

101:4.8 (1110.1) 3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.

101:4.9 (1110.2) 4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.

101:4.10 (1110.3) 5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.

http://www.ubthenews.com/topics/Pangaea1.htm
Pangaea to Plate Tectonics Report
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Prepared by Halbert Katzen, J.D.
[Updated 4/21/07]

Pangaea to Plate Tectonics Summary
Not only does The Urantia Book say that the continents were once all connected as one land mass and that they broke up and then drifted apart, it also provides details about how this happened. Additionally, it addresses issues related to how various pressures affect the interrelationship of oceans, continents, the earth's crust, volcanoes, earthquakes, and mountain formation. Though the theory of continental drift had been around for a long time and some evidence in support of this theory had been developed prior to The Urantia Book's publication in 1955, the continental drift theory was very unpopular at the time of publication because scientists had not come up with an adequate explanation for how continents were able to move. In fact, seafloor spreading and plate tectonic theories, which brought continental drift theory into acceptance, had not yet developed.

Wikipedia puts it this way, "The acceptance of the theories of continental drift and sea floor spreading (the two key elements of plate tectonics) may be compared to the Copernican revolution in astronomy [when it was accepted that the planets move around the sun, not that everything moves around earth]. Within a matter of only several years geophysics and geology in particular were revolutionized. . . . What had been rejected for decades by any respectable scientific journal was eagerly accepted within a few short years in the 1960s and 1970s."

Going beyond a general description of the formation of the continents and mountain ranges, The Urantia Book also gives specific details about the sinking of a peninsula off the eastern coast of the Mediterranean some 33,000 years ago. Sonar technology had not developed sufficiently at the time of The Urantia Book's publication to provide a clear picture of the topography of the eastern Mediterranean basin. Today's more advanced sonar mapping reveals a topography between Cyrus and the coast of Syria that not only aligns with The Urantia Book's description, but also is located at the convergence of three highly active plates that produce an unusual crosscurrent of pressures. (Go to the Garden of Eden Report for a complete explanation about this now sunken peninsula.)

Pangaea to Plate Tectonics Review
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marco says: "There are indeed contradictions & self-contradictions in URANTIA, a fact that @followjesusonly won't admit."

Where did he get that from? I have never said The Urantia Book was perfect or that it has no errors. marco makes a lot of these assumption errors and then he blurts them out just as if they are true. Please stop mentioning me in your posts. You don't have any idea what I will or won't admit. Don't make stuff up about people. It's not honest.

Anyway, he's all yours now, OTD.

35:1.2 In the universe of Nebadon the Father Melchizedek acts as the first executive associate of the Bright and Morning Star. Gabriel is occupied more with universe policies, Melchizedek with practical procedures. Gabriel presides over the regularly constituted tribunals and councils of Nebadon, Melchizedek over the special, extraordinary, and emergency commissions and advisory bodies. Gabriel and the Father Melchizedek are never away from Salvington at the same time, for in Gabriel's absence the Father Melchizedek functions as the chief executive of Nebadon.

158:1.6 It was about three o’clock on this beautiful afternoon that Jesus took leave of the three apostles, saying: “I go apart by myself for a season to commune with the Father and his messengers; I bid you tarry here and, while awaiting my return, pray that the Father’s will may be done in all your experience in connection with the further bestowal mission of the Son of Man.” And after saying this to them, Jesus withdrew for a long conference with Gabriel and the Father Melchizedek, not returning until about six o’clock. When Jesus saw their anxiety over his prolonged absence, he said: “Why were you afraid? You well know I must be about my Father’s business; wherefore do you doubt when I am not with you? I now declare that the Son of Man has chosen to go through his full life in your midst and as one of you. Be of good cheer; I will not leave you until my work is finished.”

That's right, Rufft, I do it for fun!!!. . .

I just made a simple statement, and now, if you call shooting someone symbolically fun, and now you're shooting the Damn thing at me??
Now you've made it personal.
Even if only symbolically, you show your negative and murderous mind

@ FJO

Gardener contends the following;
Gardener comes to the science of the UB. If the UB really were an extraterrestrial revelation, it should accurately describe our universe. It fails this test miserably.

The UB claims the universe is over one trillion years old; most scientists date it at about 15 billion years (186).

The temperature it assigns to the sun’s surface is off by thousands of degrees (190);

it falsely says that Mercury keeps the same face towards the sun (196).

The UB teaches that humans have 48 chromosomes; it should be 46 (217).

Atoms supposedly cannot possess more than 100 electrons; this “limit” was broken in 1955, as any periodic table will confirm (214).

It is possible to measure the surface temperature of the Sun by direct experiment.

The Sun is a big ball of hot plasma (ionized gas) that holds itself up by fusing hydrogen nuclei into helium nuclei in its central regions. In order for these reactions to take place, the temperature in the core has to be about 10 million degrees Celsius. We can use our theoretical understanding of the way the Sun works to model the actual central temperature: the current number is 15.71 million Kelvin (0 Kelvin = -273 Celsius).

The light from the Sun that we see is "made" deep in the Sun's interior - it then bounces around inside the Sun and gradually makes its way out. We call the surface of the Sun the mean distance from the core at which the light bounces for the last time before coming out (remember that unlike the Earth the Sun has no solid surface, so we have to define it somehow!). It turns out that the light we see from the surface has nearly the spectrum of a blackbody: a blackbody is a physical term that means that the fraction of light that is emitted at each wavelength is a function of the surface temperature alone. This is great for us, because it means that we can measure the spectrum of the Sun, and then fit it with a blackbody spectrum to derive the temperature. For a picture of the Sun's spectrum, look here.

From the solar spectrum, we can infer that the surface temperature of the Sun is about 5880 Kelvin, or 5605 Celsius.

I certainly am not going to wade through a mountain of vague terminology and tie up days arguing here over these errors in scientific facts.

My answer to the trait determining/ chromosomes debate can be found in kb's thread in it's entirety here.
https://DateHookup.dating/Forums.aspx?p=FORUMPOSTS&forumthreadID=1442585&pageSize=15&startAt=1#69175149
It's only one page long ( an easy read ), or if you prefer to loosely paraphrase Clarence "if they were not talking about chromosomes what the heck are trait determiners ?"

Sun surface temp. How it's measured

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OTD, Clarence, are you there?

Could you, either separately or together, write down in your own words, some simple, concise statements concerning the alleged science errors in The Urantia Book. Perhaps like the sample below, and then I will try to find the answers, also like the sample below. Please do as many of them as you can.

Sample statement/question:
The Urantia Book is wrong when it says there are 48 chromosomes.

Sample answer:
The Urantia Book does not say there are 48 chromosomes. The Urantia Book does not mention the number of chromosomes.

I certainly am not going to wade through a mountain of vague terminology and tie up days arguing here over these errors in scientific facts.
My answer to the trait determining/ chromosomes debate can be found in kb's thread in it's entirety here.
https://DateHookup.dating/Forums.aspx?p=FORUMPOSTS&forumthreadID=1442585&pageSize=15&startAt=1#69175149
It's only one page long ( an easy read ), or if you prefer to loosely paraphrase Clarence "if they were not talking about chromosomes what the heck are trait determiners ?"
Sun surface temp. How it's measured


http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/49-our-solar-system/the-sun/general-questions/166-is-it-possible-to-measure-the-temperature-of-the-sun-beginner

This is one of several ways science can measure the suns surface temperature and they all come out the same answer.

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Yes, that's right, but we have to do it all over again for the new guy.



Well, that's another subject all together, isn't it?



You are mistaken as is OTD. I have no interest in convincing anyone they should accept what you call the absurdities.



Mistake again. I am not trying to convince anyone about what you call, "the bad science."



Like, how should I know why you or anyone should believe any of that? I already told you, I'm not in the convincing business. That's what Christians do. I don't do that.



Suit yourself. It doesn't matter to me.

Is urantia a christian sect in your opinion

Well I am confused now

How do you guys talked to each other If you're blocked??

Something funny going on