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3/18/2016 7:32:11 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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3/18/2016 8:38:50 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Jesus specifically said, at sixteen places in the New Testament, that Hell exists.

3/19/2016 2:21:05 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus specifically said, at sixteen places in the New Testament, that Hell exists.


So?

3/19/2016 4:34:17 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Heaven , and hell , exist here , and now .

If we hold it close to our hearts , we have a chance .

If we pretend , we never stood a chance .

We will be dirt again , the downside will rip us apart , the up-side will reveal a life , we never knew existed .

3/19/2016 6:54:07 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from nonstandard:
Heaven , and hell , exist here , and now .

If we hold it close to our hearts , we have a chance .

If we pretend , we never stood a chance .

We will be dirt again , the downside will rip us apart , the up-side will reveal a life , we never knew existed .




Do I need instructions to reveal Life ?
So u nonstandard sit there creating Heaven do U or me Stillherehaha?
Typing away as u & I do---
and who opens doors or directs the storms?
Our minds-----or hearts----?
If we were or are creators wouldn't we want happiness for all?
and would All want happiness for others---each other-all
Have we just got word salad---?
and it would seem DH is like Limbo


Neither, either, nothing-all a trap of word salad?

Oh my god a dance a song ---Limbo----DHhahahhaahahahahhahahahahahhaahhahahhahahahahhahaahahahahahhahahhhhaha

3/19/2016 10:32:43 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from Stillherehaha:
Do I need instructions to reveal Life ?
So u nonstandard sit there creating Heaven do U or me Stillherehaha?
Typing away as u & I do---
and who opens doors or directs the storms?
Our minds-----or hearts----?
If we were or are creators wouldn't we want happiness for all?
and would All want happiness for others---each other-all
Have we just got word salad---?
and it would seem DH is like Limbo


Neither, either, nothing-all a trap of word salad?

Oh my god a dance a song ---Limbo----DHhahahhaahahahahhahahahahahhaahhahahhahahahahhahaahahahahahhahahhhhaha


That about sums it up .
https://youtu.be/Ezc4HdLGxg4

3/20/2016 3:58:12 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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your going

3/20/2016 7:04:52 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from jester0011:
your going






Where mate?

3/21/2016 8:03:23 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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your going


By your own bible's standards , your grace , and humility , could use some work .

3/21/2016 9:08:05 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Jesus specifically said, at sixteen places in the New Testament, that Hell exists.


He never condemned anyone . The people that do this , are abusing their faith . Nothing , and nobody , tells them to pass judgement , they do it , to fulfill their own selfish desires .

3/21/2016 3:34:38 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  
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He never condemned anyone . The people that do this , are abusing their faith . Nothing , and nobody , tells them to pass judgement , they do it , to fulfill their own selfish desires .


I think it actually comes from vanity. This need to feel somehow superior to someone else because they think you have superior knowledge, or guarantee salvation because of their faith. God is your father and he see's no one better than another. And he loves no one more than another. If your a parent you should understand that. Do you love one of your children more than you love the other?

3/21/2016 4:00:44 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  
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your going


Heaven don't want me.... and

Hell's afraid I might take over.

3/21/2016 4:22:59 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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I thought I walked into hell on earth or sumpthin, and Jester got there first

3/21/2016 5:05:26 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Its a lack of faith , they feel that their god is unworthy . Their god cant handle the burden . Terrorists feel the same way , they think they're the saviors , for meddling in something far beyond their reach .

3/21/2016 5:18:48 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from irishrose0906:
I think it actually comes from vanity. This need to feel somehow superior to someone else because they think you have superior knowledge, or guarantee salvation because of their faith. God is your father and he see's no one better than another. And he loves no one more than another. If your a parent you should understand that. Do you love one of your children more than you love the other?


It is vanity , its greed , and its corruption , these people a far worse , than the ones they victimize .

3/21/2016 7:06:52 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Unrepentant sinners fervently hope there is no Hell.

They hope in vain.

3/23/2016 10:07:24 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Unrepentant sinners fervently hope there is no Hell.

They hope in vain.


Nothing but opinions, no real substance

3/23/2016 2:36:47 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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I believe jester the molester is a drama queen, he may be a drag queen too.

3/23/2016 7:08:32 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Jesus did not ever use the word "hell", let alone 16 times.

He used the word "Gehenna" 11 times. Gehenna is place, a geographic location where at one time the dump in Jerusalem was located.

He used I think, the word Sheol once or twice, Hades once and I think Tarturus once.

But none of those words mean what we today call Hell. Its a bad translation at best, and inserted at worse.

Number of times the word ‘Hell’ occurs in the following Bible Versions
Year AD BIBLE VERSION OT NT Total
400 The Latin Vulgate 87 24 111
1611 King James Version 31 23 54
1884 Hanson’s New Covenant n/a 0 0
1891 Young’s Literal Translation 0 0 0
1900 Twentieth Century New Testament n/a 0 0
1901 American Standard Version 0 13 13
1902 Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible 0 0 0
1903 Weymouth’s New Testament n/a 0 0
1917 Jewish Publication Society Bible OT 0 n/a 0
1942 Emphatic Diaglott Greek/English Int. n/a 0 0
1952 Revised Standard Version 0 17 17
1976 Restoration of Original Sacred Name 0 0 0
1978 New International Version 0 14 14
1982 New King James Version 19 13 32
1983 Concordant Literal NT n/a 0 0
1998 Tanakh/The Complete Jewish Bible 0 n/a 0
2004 Holman Christian Standard Bible 0 12 12


16. Hebrew and Greek words mistranslated to mean Hell
www.godsplanforall.com/mistranslationstomeanhell

3/23/2016 7:55:03 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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3/24/2016 8:18:24 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Unrepentant sinners fervently hope there is no Hell.

They hope in vain.


I know exactly what happens to every body physically , everything else , is a shot in the dark , so I'll just stick with what I know .

Whether its heaven or hell , depends on your perspective , and your willingness to accept something , that has always provided all of our knowledge .

When we touch it , and when it touches us , we know that we're not dreaming .

3/24/2016 8:47:11 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Yes, things sure can change from what we think we know, and that which hits us in the face, the reality of the matter , when you are really operating on opinion.

3/24/2016 8:49:53 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from rufftreasure:
Yes, things sure can change from what we think we know, and that which hits us in the face, the reality of the matter , when you are really operating on opinion.


Its a beautiful , and wonderful thing , to be what we are , in a universe that is being what it is .

3/24/2016 9:13:26 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus specifically said, at sixteen places in the New Testament, that Hell exists.


Actually, fourteen (14).

Matthew 5:22 -- en re Anger
Matthew 5:29 -- en re Adultry
Matthew 5:30 -- en re Adultry
Matthew 10:28 -- en re to Apostles, be not afraid
Matthew 19-9 -- en re gouge out sinful eye, greatest Kingdom
Matthew 23:15 -- en re warning to righteous leaders
Matthew 23:33 -- en re snakes, warning to righteous leaders
Mark 9:43 -- en re cut off sinful hand, greatest in Kingdom
Mark 9:45 -- en re cut off foot, greatest in Kingdom
Mark 9:47 -- en re gouge out sinful eye, greatest in Kingdom
Like 12:5 -- en re fear God, against hypocrites
Like 16:23 -- en re place of torment, shrewd manager
James 3:6 -- en re tongue as flame of fire lit by hell, control tongue
2 Peter 2:4 -- en re even angels who sings not saved, judgement day


No where in the Bible is there an intermediary place of punishment called purgatory.



Good morning, OP, and everyone.

3/24/2016 9:26:10 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from nonstandard:
Its a beautiful , and wonderful thing , to be what we are , in a universe that is being what it is .


Yes, and a beautiful concept to understand reality, is......... simply that it's all energy and it's all relative

3/24/2016 10:41:04 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Well , it really is a god , its just not the god that we were hoping for .

My condolences , to all that was hoping for more .

The greatest thing on earth , is the greatest thing on earth , its not hiding behind shadows .



[Edited 3/24/2016 10:44:01 AM ]

3/24/2016 10:50:32 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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LIFE !!!!!

You can suck it up , or you can spit it out , the choice is your own to make .

3/24/2016 7:29:29 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  
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Hell is torment for non-believing sinners.

3/24/2016 7:45:17 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  
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3/25/2016 6:46:15 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from cupocheer:
Actually, fourteen (14).

Matthew 5:22 -- en re Anger
Matthew 5:29 -- en re Adultry
Matthew 5:30 -- en re Adultry
Matthew 10:28 -- en re to Apostles, be not afraid
Matthew 19-9 -- en re gouge out sinful eye, greatest Kingdom
Matthew 23:15 -- en re warning to righteous leaders
Matthew 23:33 -- en re snakes, warning to righteous leaders
Mark 9:43 -- en re cut off sinful hand, greatest in Kingdom
Mark 9:45 -- en re cut off foot, greatest in Kingdom
Mark 9:47 -- en re gouge out sinful eye, greatest in Kingdom
Like 12:5 -- en re fear God, against hypocrites
Like 16:23 -- en re place of torment, shrewd manager
James 3:6 -- en re tongue as flame of fire lit by hell, control tongue
2 Peter 2:4 -- en re even angels who sings not saved, judgement day


No where in the Bible is there an intermediary place of punishment called purgatory.



Good morning, OP, and everyone.


Some Catholics mis represent Purgatory by stressing it is a place.

When really is is described as a process, and some even claim it can start here in this life.

Two Judgments

When we die, we undergo what is called the particular, or individual, judgment. Scripture says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We are judged instantly and receive our reward, for good or ill. We know at once what our final destiny will be. At the end of time, when Jesus returns, there will come the general judgment to which the Bible refers, for example, in Matthew 25:31-32: "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." In this general judgment all our sins will be publicly revealed (Luke 12:2–5).

Augustine said, in The City of God, that "temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment" (21:13). It is between the particular and general judgments, then, that the soul is purified of the remaining consequences of sin: "I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper" (Luke 12:59).
Purgatory | Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory

Just as some consider Salvation to be only for the next life, after death? So also get hung up when it comes to the other state, on it being for after death.

Its a pity really, for Theosis really is a beautiful doctrine. But just as we concentrate more on the death of Christ than his resurrection, many ignore that Salvation and Purgatosis is a process that we can partake of in this life.

Only the Eastern church seems to grasp this, today.

Verses used to support theosis are . . .

John 17:22-23, "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me."
2 Peter 1:4, "For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust."
What Is Theosis?|Deification|Eastern Orthodox Church|
https://carm.org/what-is-theosis

As a process, yes both Theosis and Purgatosis is Bibical.

Proverbs 3:12 Young's Literal Translation
For whom Jehovah loveth He reproveth, Even as a father the son He is pleased with.

Here are :Cross References verses

Hebrews 12:6
because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son."

Revelation 3:19
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

Deuteronomy 8:5
Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you.

Psalm 94:12
Blessed is the one you discipline, LORD, the one you teach from your law;

3/26/2016 1:51:41 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from nonstandard:
Heaven , and hell , exist here , and now .

If we hold it close to our hearts , we have a chance .

If we pretend , we never stood a chance .

We will be dirt again , the downside will rip us apart , the up-side will reveal a life , we never knew existed .
right sure it does.lets see u have life now in the body god chose for u

3/28/2016 4:00:42 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from jester0011:
right sure it does.lets see u have life now in the body god chose for u


I have a better idea . Lets see if you can have a life , without the body , that nature created for you .

There is no such thing as mind over matter . Matter is flexible , the rigid mind , snaps like a twig .

4/22/2016 6:51:03 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Isna, we don't know if Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory are places or states. In Purgatory IS inbtge Bible, and the Bible DOES say there is fire there. See I Corinthians 3:13-15.

We should be very thankful that Purgatory exists. Otherwise, almost no one would go to Heaven because very few people become perfect innthis life.

4/22/2016 7:00:07 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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"Nothing defiled shall ener it [Heaven]," says Revelation 21:27. But most of us, even Christian believers, even the very best among us, have some defilements. Thank God there is a Purgatory to purify us, or only a teeny tiny minority of us could get to Heaven.

4/23/2016 4:11:37 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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The concept of Hell is probably one of the most disturbing religious ideas ever conceived by man. It was great to strike fear in the hearts of evil doers back in the day, but today our morality has evolved quite a bit.

We no longer view women as property nor do we consider slavery a valid business model. Most people recognize that torture is wrong and yet we are expected to believe that some deity will torture us for all eternity if we don’t believe he exists on insufficient evidence?

Many Christians in the 21st century have woken up to the fact that the concept of Hell is barbaric and these Christians, to their credit, don’t believe in the concept of Hell. That’s a great start.

But Heaven is kind of Hell too when you think about it. That is especially the case if not everyone goes to Heaven and those who do have to live out eternity knowing that their loved ones are being eternally tortured.

But assuming we all do go to Heaven regardless of our beliefs or lack of beliefs, than what do you do in Heaven? From what I understand, you sit around worshiping God for all eternity sometimes with a set number of virgins.

I don’t know about you, but eternity seems like a pretty long time to me and worshiping some deity doesn’t sound like much fun, especially after all the virgins are gone.

4/23/2016 6:55:01 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from nonstandard:
I have a better idea . Lets see if you can have a life , without the body , that nature created for you .

There is no such thing as mind over matter . Matter is flexible , the rigid mind , snaps like a twig .
i can.shocking news to u isnt it

4/23/2016 8:19:51 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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I don't believe in jester jester does not exist.

4/23/2016 9:58:39 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
I don't believe in jester jester does not exist.


Yes he is a computer generated bot boy program designed to appear as a backwards , low IQ, shit disturber.

I don't believe in Hell either as a place, I believe it's a state of mind that we create for ourselves. To live in heaven or hell is a daily choice, so far , for today, because I chose so, I am living in heaven on earth.

4/23/2016 11:03:21 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Don't forget the hell inflicted by others created by Nazis, Inquisitors, conquistadors, KKK, and other religious atrocities that has gone on for thousands of years and of course now.



[Edited 4/23/2016 11:03:48 AM ]

4/23/2016 11:35:58 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
Don't forget the hell inflicted by others created by Nazis, Inquisitors, conquistadors, KKK, and other religious atrocities that has gone on for thousands of years and of course now.


Yes, this is called getting caught in the crosshair of someone else's evil.

4/25/2016 10:05:19 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Isna, we don't know if Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory are places or states. In Purgatory IS inbtge Bible, and the Bible DOES say there is fire there. See I Corinthians 3:13-15.

We should be very thankful that Purgatory exists. Otherwise, almost no one would go to Heaven because very few people become perfect innthis life.


Is Hell endothermic or exothermic?

4/25/2016 10:06:15 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
Don't forget the hell inflicted by others created by Nazis, Inquisitors, conquistadors, KKK, and other religious atrocities that has gone on for thousands of years and of course now.


Don't forget the Talmudic Jews.

6/22/2016 6:53:17 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  
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6/27/2016 3:18:42 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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"Hell " is not in the Bible.

But that does not mean it does not exist, I was married for 22 years so cannot deny its existence.

“We are each our own devil, and we make this world our hell.”
Oscar Wilde



[Edited 6/27/2016 3:18:52 PM ]

6/27/2016 3:38:13 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Hell, right here on earth!

6/27/2016 3:42:58 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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Hell, right here on earth!


Darn right, and its real bad here. Jays have lost so many games lately and the devil lives next door, Yankee fan. He is torturing me , while drinking my Beer.

6/27/2016 3:47:04 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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If we live our lives in the state of mortal sin, Hell does indeed begin for us here on earth. Sinners are never happy.

If we live our lives in accordance with the gospel we find happiness and peace in this life and the next.

"Peace is my farewell to you, my peace is my gift to you; I do not give it to you as the world gives peace. Do not be distressed or fearful."

--Jesus (John 14:27)

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Well, I am happy, must not be a sinner,ey, Lud?????
Why are you so miserable

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I am a repentant sinner. And I am a very happy person.
If Catholicism didn't make me so happy, why would I have such zeal for it?

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Nothing wrong with that until you try to force your beliefs and judgment on others, the Pope said NO!!

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I don't vthink anyone should be forced to become a Catholic. We should have willing converts, or none at all.

6/29/2016 7:30:38 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

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And kill or condemn to hell, the rest, right??

6/29/2016 10:43:47 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

ludlowlowell
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God sends all non-Catholics to Hell because non-Catholics reject Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world.

God was good enough to come down from Heaven, take human flesh, and die on the cross for our sins. How ugly and ungrateful are we if we don't believe in this, and love Christ and serve Christ.

Those inculpably ignorant of Christ, or of His Church, can be saved without being Catholic, but these should be seen as extraordinary cases only.

6/29/2016 11:12:00 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

ludlowlowell
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"...how shall we escape if we ignore a salvation as great as ours?"

--Hebrews 2:3

6/29/2016 12:15:09 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

rufftreasure
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You're the most dangerous fundie, perhaps I have ever witnessed.

6/29/2016 6:22:26 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

ludlowlowell
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I am not dangerous. I don't believe in violence, except in self-defense, and I believe in persuasion, not coercion, to win converts.

Jesus is the Light of the world. Why live in darkness?

6/29/2016 6:25:57 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

rufftreasure
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You are dangerous, but I am not afraid , it is other poor gullible fools that I worry about.

6/29/2016 7:22:41 PM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

blake6972
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I want a PBJ, and a very , very cold glass of milk.

OT: Yes Hell... I prefer pure justification.

6/30/2016 7:01:07 AM I hear alot of u dont believe in hell  

rufftreasure
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I think we have some over yonder in the bar