Ok Ms. Smarty Pants, tell me then, you're the expert on child upbringing without discipline. How does one establish the fact that the child is NOT the boss and the parent is without discipline?? I really gotta hear this.

I suppose your approach would include something like timeout, big deal, they go to their room that is chock full of video games and toys, woo hoo, big punishment there. Or would you hold their hand and sing joy joy songs?

Its kids that have NO discipline that make life so hard for teachers. You take a whole classroom full of great kids and run one of those joy joy sing sing little bastards in there and it wrecks the whole harmonious vibe. Home school FTW.

So in other words, teach a child that there are no consequences for inappropriate behavior. Nothing says "don't do that" to someone quicker than a negative response. I refuse to believe that you can correct a negative with a positive, especially when the child doesn't respect you. My suggestion, buy yourself a tape recorder and record "Don't, Stop and Quit" because your life is going to be filled with this phrase.

You know what, this is pointless. There will always be someone with a "new" approach that doesn't work. I prefer to stay with what works. You do what you want. The future will tell. And remember, Hindsight isn't worth a damn.

You said, “I really appreciate you insinuating that I would strike a woman out of anger.”

If a CHILD does something they shouldn't you have stated that you will be physical with them. Are you saying that if an adult did something you didn’t like you wouldn’t react the same way? Why not? Sorry—but there is no indication how you would react if you get physical with a child.

You said, “You are some piece of work I'll tell you that. I'm glad I'm not your husband, there's a first time for everything.” Exactly! Cino here you come! Thanks for making my point! If you need to respond to a child the way you do to get your point across then yes, there is a possibility you could/would do the same to an adult.

You said, “And the "stats on juvenile delinquency" is because they either had piss poor parents or were allowed to associate with other delinquents that had piss poor parents.” I wholeheartedly agree!

You said, “Discipline does not make a criminal, lazy parents do.” The kind of discipline administered by lazy parents has an impact on the child--and yes lazy parents smack a child because it's a quicker way for them to deal with the problem and it teaches the child that being physical is okay.

You said, “You MUST establish a chain of command in any structured environment.” Agreed. The issue is "how" that command is commanded. Physical aggression towards a child does not establish it because you lose the respect of the child. When you are not around he doesn't have respect for authority—unless they get physical with him!

Give the last word theobear--insult me--I don't care--it really is pointless--I'm done.